The Da Vinci Code

[mkh_77]

How can people admire a post written by someone who knows NOTHING about what she is speaking out against?! Knowing and repeating what someone else told you is one thing, but knowing something for yourself is another. People, please take it upon yourself to learn on your own and not entirely rely on what someone else told you. If modern-day Christianity is all about being radical based on what someone told you versus what you learned for your own bank of personal knowledge, then we all our in the last days.

 

[Crackers Phinn]

I'm only allowed 5 minutes a month in the Christian Fellowship Forum, otherwise I burst into flames. So I'll make this quick.

Millions of people worldwide read this book years before the movie came out - The nature of Christianity didn't change.

Millions of people worldwide paid $10 + parking and popcorn to see the movie - The nature of Christianity didn't change.

I haven't seen any Mary Magdeline temples of worship pop up in the liberal cesspool of a city I live in.

Now I have no problem with people not wanting to see the movie because the subject matter doesn't interest them. I chose not to see Big Mama's House 2 for exactly that reason. But I do feel like if you're not seeing it cuz somebody else who didn't see it or read the book, told you it was 'an attack on Christianity' then you're doing yourself a disservice.

Alright, my sleeve is on fire, so I'ma bouce up outta here.

Peace

 

[silverflyt]

How can people admire a post written by someone who knows NOTHING about what she is speaking out against?! Knowing and repeating what someone else told you is one thing, but knowing something for yourself is another. People, please take it upon yourself to learn on your own and not entirely rely on what someone else told you. If modern-day Christianity is all about being radical based on what someone told you versus what you learned for your own bank of personal knowledge, then we all our in the last days.

ITA. Think for yourselves...avoid assimilation.

:assimilat

 

[Trini"T"]

If you are referring to my indexing of the above mentioned's stance on Christianity, no. I am not *attempting to insult* anybody. She has done a brilliant job of classifying her own comments. I am simply restating the obvious. Besides, she has never shyed away from making it known she stands to the left. I quote her when I write, " My spirit grieves over the increasing liberal opinions that I witness among those professing Christianity today." Spoken like a true leftist . As an added bonus, she gifts us with the leftwinged comments of a self professed fundamentalist, fond of extremist points of action, because he according to her," ...gave an awesome and biblical testimony on his thoughts on the DaVinci Code...and he says it better than I could ever say it." So you see, she celebrates her leftwinged alignment-no harm done.

Furthermore, my post was inspired by the poster's comment regarding my own previous post. She wrote, "...He (Chuck the Left Winged, Extreme, Fundamentalist) had the same typical comment from an intolerant subscriber who actually left his forum because of his Godly stand on this book and movie." I personally not only find it *insulting*, but offensive, and completely inacurate to have my points of view paralleled with those of an "intolerant unbeliever"-because I am many things, but I am neither of those. So I felt the need to fortify my view. I am astounded that you find me "childish", But that is neither here nor there for me. -any self respecting person who enjoys their God given free will would also protect themselves from such slander.

BTW, I am relieved that your foundations are not shaken by this movie.
And it seems as though we agree that there really is no need for such, and why there is so much *hub bub*. However, it seems to be the Christians in their more "developed" stages that are all shaken up over this movie. Developed enough to have determined their left winged alignment that is .

Pleeze! Who called you childish? Here is what you wrote

I see you've had a change of heart. Don't worry, I won't be unsubscribing from this forum because you share the same extreme, fanatic, and puerile views of the writer you quoted. I'm quite at home here. I look forward to reading how else you like to express your radical, zealous and dogmatist points of view.

One of the words you used to describe Hallcust's views was "puerile". If I am not mistaken some of the synonyms for "puerile" are immature, infantile, silly, and childish. I was calling you out for saying her views were puerile by saying"no one came on here calling your views childish."

 

[Trini"T"]

But he was after all Jewish and Jews did married at a certain age. Maybe at some point in his life he wanted to be 'normal' but then realized that was not why he was here.

Well this sounds like Jesus Christ was some confused man and God is not a God of confusion.

Are we now inferring that Jesus was some deadbeat dad and a no-good husband? If this man had children, he sure wasn’t no where around to take care of them. If this man had a wife, she would be screaming, “HA, what husband? Jesus who?” He would have left poooor Mary aaaalll alone to mind them kids all by her lonesome . That’s not very Christ-like is it?!

Who is saying this?

Isn't this what everyone who thinks Jesus had a wife and kids would be saying? My point is that he would not be around to take care of his family. He had his ministry to be concerned about and he dedicated himself fully to it.

 

[FlyyGyrl]

How can people admire a post written by someone who knows NOTHING about what she is speaking out against?! Knowing and repeating what someone else told you is one thing, but knowing something for yourself is another. People, please take it upon yourself to learn on your own and not entirely rely on what someone else told you. If modern-day Christianity is all about being radical based on what someone told you versus what you learned for your own bank of personal knowledge, then we all our in the last days.

Just because someone has not read the book or seen the movie does not mean they don't know about the Da Vinci code. It is a very popular book and is popular disscussion at many colleges and universities. There are many articles and whatnot on it. Whos to say who hasn't read what or even taken a class where the book was discussed? If firsthand experience is the only way to "know something" then I guess I don't know about drugs. Maybe I should go out and try them so that I can know about them. I guess I don't know about premarital sex. Maybe I should go out and try that so I can be a better witness. None of us have seen Jesus firsthand, so I guess we don't know about him. Does that sound logical? People who did those things while they were in the world give strong testimonies if they escape from it. The same is not true of Christians who do worldly things. Watching the da Vinci Code is the popular thing to do. You don't have read the book or watch the movie to know that it contradicts the bible. There are many people who are confused about the bible as it is. So clearly this book/movie is not helping the Christian cause. I admire people who are passionate about their faith. Whats wrong with that?

Please don't take offense.

 

[Trini"T"]

What is wrong with having wife and kids? Is having wife and kids unpure?

Nothing is wrong with have a wife and kids. It's not impure. It's just that Jesus didn't have a wife or kids. That was not his purpose here on earth. He came here to plant seeds through his ministry and to set the sinners free by dying on the cross.

 

[mkh_77]

Just because someone has not read the book or seen the movie does not mean they don't know about the Da Vinci code. It is a very popular book and is popular disscussion at many colleges and universities. There are many articles and whatnot on it. Whos to say who hasn't read what or even taken a class where the book was discussed? If firsthand experience is the only way to "know something" then I guess I don't know about drugs. Maybe I should go out and try them so that I can know about them. I guess I don't know about premarital sex. Maybe I should go out and try that so I can be a better witness. None of us have seen Jesus firsthand, so I guess we don't know about him. Does that sound logical? People who did those things while they were in the world give strong testimonies if they escape from it. The same is not true of Christians who do worldly things. Watching the da Vinci Code is the popular thing to do. You don't have read the book or watch the movie to know that it contradicts the bible. There are many people who are confused about the bible as it is. So clearly this book/movie is not helping the Christian cause. I admire people who are passionate about their faith. Whats wrong with that?

Please don't take offense.

Another post that's made my point even more clear since this book and movie do not contradict the Bible. The book and movie make an assertion that maybe, given historical evidence, there is a different ending than what most believe in a fictional context. In this case, maybe you need to read the book or see the movie to stop furthering the lie that it contradicts the Bible.

Where did I assert that ONLY firsthand experience is the way to know something? While in the pursuit of academics, first hand experience is usually the best way to know something, studying outside sources is usually a good way to go about learning something as well.


Ignorace usually does offend me. Especially ignorance that purports to be something other than what it is.

Please know that the Bible that you read today is not complete and has gone through myraid translations and changes. The Bible you read today was a document agreed on at the Council of Nicea. Other important tenants of Christianity were also decided there by MEN. Politics at its height.

Ladies, I am done with this disucssion. Apparently this particular forum is only for those who are willing to blindly conform to the majority view and quite frankly, I've had enough. As I've posted before, while ignorance is bliss, I choose to remain informed, and that does not, nor will it ever include following what someone has told me "just because". Jesus NEVER admonished us to live in ignorance.

 

[mkh_77]

It's just that Jesus didn't have a wife or kids. That was not his purpose here on earth.

You don't know and can't prove that. That's your belief.

 

[Trini"T"]

You don't know and can't prove that. That's your belief.

Oh right and so there is proof that Jesus had a wife and kids? What's your proof the Gnostic Gospels? Sorry try again.

 

[Trini"T"]

Another post that's made my point even more clear since this book and movie do not contradict the Bible. The book and movie make an assertion that maybe, given historical evidence, there is a different ending than what most believe in a fictional context. In this case, maybe you need to read the book or see the movie to stop furthering the lie that it contradicts the Bible.

Where did I assert that ONLY firsthand experience is the way to know something? While in the pursuit of academics, first hand experience is usually the best way to know something, studying outside sources is usually a good way to go about learning something as well.


Ignorace usually does offend me. Especially ignorance that purports to be something other than what it is.

Please know that the Bible that you read today is not complete and has gone through myraid translations and changes. The Bible you read today was a document agreed on at the Council of Nicea. Other important tenants of Christianity were also decided there by MEN. Politics at its height.

Ladies, I am done with this disucssion. Apparently this particular forum is only for those who are willing to blindly conform to the majority view and quite frankly, I've had enough. As I've posted before, while ignorance is bliss, I choose to remain informed, and that does not, nor will it ever include following what someone has told me "just because". Jesus NEVER admonished us to live in ignorance.

The Book and Movie DO contradict the Bible. If they were so concerned about people making sure it was fiction they shouldn't have put up them big behind posters advertising for the movie, talking about, "Seek the Truth".

The Third Council of Carthage ratified the New Testament in A.D. 397. They didn't force everyone else to accept the books they liked. They simply recorded what believers already accepted as the inspired Word of God. Dan Brown loves him some Gnosticism. Howvwer, gnosticism is pure mythology. They were written 200 years AFTER the real gospels. So we know these Gnostic writers were obviously not eyewitnesses to Jesus' ministry. THAT is THEIR OPINION of Jesus. THese gnostic books were not included in the Bible because they were rejected by the Early Christians when they first came out!

 

[Trini"T"]

Dan Brown has trouble believin the New Testament is historically accurate. If that's the case, how can he believe anything is historically accurate? Especially a handful of myths about Jesus that were rejected when they first came out .

He contradicts himself by saying "Jesus was the first feminist". This man is so hooked on Gnosticism but his own gnostic beliefs contradict Gnosticism itself. In the Gnostic gospel of Thomas there is a passage claiming that women can't get to heaven unless they turn themselves into men first That doesn't sound feminist to me at all. I guess the women out there who believe Dan Brown's garbage have to now go get sex changes pronto if you want to get to heaven Hey you can't just pick apart what you like and don't like. You gotta take all of it.

 

[silverflyt]

Pleeze! Who called you childish? Here is what you wrote One of the words you used to describe Hallcust's views was "puerile". If I am not mistaken some of the synonyms for "puerile" are immature, infantile, silly, and childish. I was calling you out for saying her views were puerile by saying"no one came on here calling your views childish."

Actually, the definition is "childish". But some other synonyms are also trivial, petty, irresponsible, ridiculous, weak is a favorite...And I was mainly referring to the writer she chose to quote for a page and a half. And I meant that. I think he's full of fluff and stuffing-if she shares his views anyway, well, that's up to her. As for me? Anyone should feel free to call my views anything they like. Gotta love free will.

 

[GodMadeMePretty]

Just adding in another 2 cents. I don't frequent this forum very often for much the same reason that JCoily states. But just to clarify what I said in an earlier post - Be informed. Don't think that everything that you need to know comes from the Bible. You need to KNOW that Jesus wasn't just a Biblical figure but was a historical figure - written about by people other than the scriptural "authors." That is important for some people that you are witnessing to know. Many will call any who are Christians "fanatical." So be prepared to back up who you know is real with writings other than the Bible. You have to know how to witness. Everyone can not be witnessed to the same.

My last comment - all this hubbub about what Dan Brown claims as fact. There are only a few things that he actually says are fact. He doesn't claim anything else in the book as actual facts. And I'm going to quote this.

FACT:

The Priory of Sion -- a European secret societ founded in 1099 -- is a real organization. In 1975 Paris's Bibliothe`que Nationale discovered parchments known as Les Dossiers Secrets, identifying numerous members of the Priory of Sion, including Sir Isaac Newton, Botticelli, Victor Hugo, and Leonardo da Vinci.

The Vatican prelature known as Opus Dei is a deeply devout Catholic sect that has been the topic of recent controversy due to reports of brainwashing, coercion, and a dangerous practice known as "corporal mortification." Opus Dei has just completed construction of a $47 million National Headquarters at 243 Lexington Avenue in New York City.

All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

Those are the only things in this book that purport to be accurate. BTW, if you don't have the illustrated copy of this book, you are missing some gorgeous artwork and architecture. This is no more than a piece of fiction that uses real art, real people's names, real architecture/locations to write a book.

Hmmmm, I've read a lot of books that do that very thing. I'm just curious as to whether anyone else's copy of the book touts anything else as actual fact other than what I've posted here that is in his book.

I also want to add that this statement is also in his book:

All of the characters in this book are fictitious, and any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Can we now just leave it alone? It's people other than Dan Brown making this piece of fiction into something that is supposedly "another historical account." Please.

 

[Poohbear]

My point is broader than that, money was just an example. There are many things that we do as Christians that aren't Christ-centered, and it's just interesting to me when people begin to harp on certain things while overlooking the others.

EXACTLY!!!! And I agree with some other points you made earlier! If you're not gonna put your money into seeing this crap, then don't put your money into the other crap in the movies and on tv that you watch!

Although I do not plan on seing that movie, I disagree with your arguement. Any christians who chooses not to sow seeds into something mocking God would hardly go to the movies. These days television and the movies glorify greed, pre-marital-sex, killing and all that stuff that is not suppose to be of Christain behavior.

EXACTLY!!!! I hardly ever watch tv anymore because of these things. When I get my own place, I probably won't be an owner of tv.

Anyway, as a Christian, I'm undecided as to whether I'll see this movie or not but I am interested in seeing this movie so I can be better prepared to defend my Jesus if someone tries to say that things in this movie are true when in reality they are not.

And as a cheapo person like me, I'll probably wait until my mom or sister gets it on dvd or something... hee-hee!

 

[Poohbear]

The Book and Movie DO contradict the Bible. If they were so concerned about people making sure it was fiction they shouldn't have put up them big behind posters advertising for the movie, talking about, "Seek the Truth".

I agree... the book and movie do contradict the Bible, which is the absolute perfect authoritative word of God.... no where in the Bible does it state that Jesus was married or had children by Mary.

 

[GodMadeMePretty]

The book is said to be by its author to be a fictional book. Fiction = made up/untrue. And???? So it contradicts the Bible. So do a lot of other books and movies. I don't see anyone discussing these books and movies. I don't frequent this forum very often but I don't see anyone discussing that stupid Narnia book and movie. And it was supposed to be a children's movie. My daughter would have been scared out of her mind to see that mess. I only saw some trailers and refused to take her. Narnia and Harry Potter are in the same category to me and the same folks who refuse to see the Da Vinci Code will run to see Narnia and/or Harry Potter.

Is it because it is VERY obvious that these two examples are fiction and the Da Vinci Code is shrouded in lukewarm land because it contains actual people, places and things?

I'm seriously not understanding the dilemma here.

 

[Niara]

The book is said to be by its author to be a fictional book. Fiction = made up/untrue. And???? So it contradicts the Bible. So do a lot of other books and movies. I don't see anyone discussing these books and movies. I don't frequent this forum very often but I don't see anyone discussing that stupid Narnia book and movie. And it was supposed to be a children's movie. My daughter would have been scared out of her mind to see that mess. I only saw some trailers and refused to take her. Narnia and Harry Potter are in the same category to me and the same folks who refuse to see the Da Vinci Code will run to see Narnia and/or Harry Potter.

Is it because it is VERY obvious that these two examples are fiction and the Da Vinci Code is shrouded in lukewarm land because it contains actual people, places and things?

I'm seriously not understanding the dilemma here.

This is my concern because the author has stated that the book is fictional and not based on historical fact yet people are flocking to the theaters as if some great truth is being revealed. For those who understand that it is fiction, the greater responsibility lies as with any other movie out there. I agree that there are other movies out there which warrant the same skepticism. As Christians we have to be cautious as a whole with the things with which we choose to entertain ourselves.

 

[Niara]

Dear TrustMeLove,

I thank the Lord for your note of encouragement and for the witness of biblical discernment in you that testifies to the truth. I will continue to stand in the truth and strength of the Holy Spirit, for He is able to make me, you, and all others in the true body of Christ stand; and He has told us that in His word!
I am resolved to stand for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ no matter what man may think. For I gave my life to Him and to no one else.
I made a mistake in my first post; I actually first responded in agreement to Niara's response. It so much said what I felt in my heart!! I apologize to Niara for mistakenly posting another's name; however it has been corrected.
I beleive despite all, those who bear the Spirit of Christ will bear the true testimony of Christ, in all that they say, think, and do. The only thing that will ever matter is how God sees it. Just as you say TrustMeLove, pick up the word, study it, and pray to the Lord, and you will know these answers for yourself. Know Him, and you will know what is truth and what is not.

God's love to you all!

Thank you Hallcust. I think you are right when you say that Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs. The enemy knows his time is short and so he will use every ploy to attack us. We have to keep strong and faithful!

 

[Niara]

Who could disagree with this? Beautifully written.

Thank you.

 

[Niara]

Obviously the author of this letter and the author of this post the letter was embedded in know nothing of what the book is about. The "criminal" in the book is the church for hiding "the truth about Jesus." The FOCUS of the book are the shadowy actions of the church, past and present. No where in the book does it try to detract from the importance, existence or powerfulness of Jesus. The book is premised on the fact that Jesus did indeed exist and was such a powerful figure!

If Jesus came to Earth, fully human as the Bible said, then what would be so wrong with him having a wife and family under the tradition of the laws of His time? There is NOTHING sinful about that, and if He did, it would in no way detract from who He was. Afterall all, God saw fit that Jesus come to Earth THROUGH a woman--He didn't miraculously appear one day. Is He any less divine because someone conjectures that He could have had a wife and children?!

Jesus is God in flesh and so it is simply ridiculous that our Lord would be married to one of his children, his creation. Jesus came to this earth to restore us to God by a loving sacrifice of becoming human. This had to be done because Adam and Eve sinned and lost that direct connection to the Father. This is why an innocent animal, usually a lamb, needed to be sacrificed whenever a sin was committed. When Jesus came, he became that sacrifice so now we can simply ask for forgiveness. Jesus lived a sinless life for this purpose. Marriage is a beautiful and wonderful thing created by God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) for His children.

 

[esoterica]

I am so late, but I just finished watching this film. It's quite clear that it is fiction. Very interesting parts about Constantine and the pagan origins of Christianity.

 

[hallcust]

Interesting link that refutes the claim that Christianity had pagan origins:

http://www.probe.org/cults-and-worl...christianity-borrow-from-pagan-religions.html

Despite the continued attacks against the Bible and Christianity, the word of God has proven to withstand them, and will continue to refute all false claims against it. The Word of God will stand forever! All Glory to God and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ!


Amen and Amen!