Soooo I was watching Creflo talk about a recording of hell

WOW! WOW! WOW!

"there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth..."

The greatest deception the devil pulled was convincing people he didnt exist. If you dont believe he exist and that hell doesnt exist, you won't be held responsible for your actions.

Glory to God Jesus came to save us from our sins so that we do not have live eternally without Him.
 
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I had the same reaction. He was says hell is under us in the center of the Earth. I always thought of hell as a spiritual place not literally under us.
 
Now, there we may not be able to see people in there as there are spirits but I believe spirits can be audible in the physical.

Thats completely facsinating. In the center of the earth, huh?

Mark Driscoll talks about hell. He actually had a debate with some men that does not believe hell exist (meaning we do not need Jesus). Thats why its so important to understand spiritual warfare. We are engaged in a war ya'll. The battleground is our minds. Fruits of the spirit and the armor of God is neccessary. Prayer, fasting, and understanding your bible is necessary to win daily.
 
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Now, there we may not be able to see people in there as there are spirits but I believe spirits can be audible in the physical.

Thats completely facsinating. In the center of the earth, huh? Didnt know that, makes sense and its good to know.

Mark Driscoll talks about hell. He actually had a debate with some men that does not believe hell exist (meaning we do not need Jesus). Thats why its so important to understand spiritual warfare. We are engaged in a war ya'll. The battleground is our minds. Fruits of the spirit and the armor of God is neccessary. Prayer, fasting, and understanding your bible is necessary to win daily.



Preach the truth! Let me go look up Mark Driscoll
 
Background on the Drilling to Hell story
By Rich Buhler
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I first heard about this story from people who started calling my radio program to ask about it in the early 1990s. There was such a flurry of calls that I finally promised the listeners I'd look into it. Most of the callers said they'd heard the story on Trinity Broadcasting Network, a Christian television network that originates from Southern California.
I called Trinity Broadcasting headquarters and asked about the story. I was transferred to a woman who said, 'Oh yes, it's true all right. We've got documentation. It's in our latest newsletter.'

I was on the network's mailing list, so I looked through a pile of recent mail and found the article. The newsletter said the details had come from the translation of an article in a Finnish newspaper named 'Ammennusatia'. It claimed:
A geological group who drilled a hole about 14.4 kilometers deep in the crust of the earth are saying that they heard human screams. Screams have been heard from the condemned souls from earth's deepest hole. Terrified scientists are afraid they have let loose the evil powers of hell up to the earth's surface. 'The information we are gathering is so surprising, that we are sincerely afraid of what we might find down there,' stated Dr Azzacov, the manager of the project in remote Siberia.
According to the story, the geologists were dumbfounded. After they had drilled several kilometers through the earth's crust, the drill bit suddenly began to rotate wildly. 'There is only one explanation,' said Dr Azzacov. 'The deep center of the earth is hollow!' The report continued:
The second surprise was the high temperature they discovered in the earth's center. 'The calculations indicate the given temperature was about 1,100 degrees Celsius, or over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit,' Azzacov pointed out. 'This is far more then we expected. It seems almost like an inferno of fire is brutally going on in the center of the earth.'

'The last discovery was nevertheless the most shocking to our ears, so much so that the scientists are afraid to continue the project. We tried to listen to the earth's movements at certain intervals with supersensitive microphones, which were let down through the hole. What we heard turned those logically thinking scientists into a trembling ruins. It was a sometimes a weak, but high pitched sound which we thought to be coming from our own equipment,' explained Dr Azzacov. 'But after some adjustments we comprehended that indeed the sound came from the earth's interior. We could hardly believe our own ears. We heard a human voice, screaming in pain. Even though one voice was discernible, we could hear thousands, perhaps millions, in the background, of suffering souls screaming. After this ghastly discovery, about half of the scientists quit because of fear. Hopefully, that which is down there will stay there,' Dr Azzacov added.
According to the Trinity Broadcasting Network newsletter, the Finnish article had been given to them by a Texas evangelist, R.W. Schambach, who was a frequent guest on their network.
We checked with Schambach's office and were assured that the story was 'absolutely true' and had been substantiated. They said they had an article from a 'respected scientific journal' in Finland, as well as a letter from a Norwegian man, Age Rendalen, who had confirmed it. Rendalen had sent his letter directly to Trinity Broadcasting Network and the details he revealed added a new dimension to the story.
Rendalen told the network that he had visited United States a few weeks earlier and happened upon their telecast about the Drilling to Hell story. He wrote:
I must confess that I laughed when I heard your account... I did not believe one word of it, and commented to my friend that Americans sure were gullible to believe that hell could be physically located to a hole in the ground. I cannot even begin to tell you what a shock it was to me when I returned to Norway and found the newspapers full of reports about this incident. I knew immediately that if there was a hell, I for sure would end up in it. A tremendous fear took hold of me, and for two nights I dreamed about fire and screams until I surrendered to God and committed my life to his hands for safe-keeping.
In the letter, Rendalen went on to encourage the network not to let 'skeptics' interfere with their telling of the story. He included a copy and translation of what he claimed was an article from Norway's largest and most reputable newspaper, with more information about the drilling. Rendalen's translation of the article told of opposition to the drilling by Russian atheists, as well as government intimidation to keep the scientists from telling the rest of the world about their discovery. The account, which drew on the eyewitness testimony of a Mr Nummedal, also added a new detail:
What really unnerved the Soviets, apart from the voice recordings, was the appearance that same night of a fountainhead of luminous gas shooting up from the drill site, and out of the midst of this incandescent cloud pillar a brilliant being with bat wings revealed itself with the words (in Russian): 'I have conquered,' emblazoned against the dark Siberian sky. 'The incident was absolutely unreal; the Soviets cried out in terror,' says Mr Nummedal. Later that night, he saw ambulance crews circulating in the community. A driver he knew told him that they had been told to sedate everybody with a medication known to erase short term memory. The Soviets use this drug in the treatment of shock victims.
So we now had not only a story about drilling into hell, but an additional version with a bat-like creature making an appearance. [/FONT]
 
I don't believe that hell is created or that there is such place in existence today. Hell is another word for the grave. The lake of fire will be created after the 1,000.00 years have passed. This is just the devil trying to scare people. When this should not be the focused having a relationship with God and obeying his commandment and loving one another should be the focus. Satan rather have everyone run around in fear and most people will not examine the scriptures to see what is real and what is not.
 
My staff and I decided to roll up our shirt sleeves and trace the story as far as we could, especially since we had the names of newspapers and at least one individual who might know the facts.
The Finnish newspaper 'Ammennusastia,' which is quoted in nearly every account of the story, is located in an area called Levasjoki. We had a phone conversation with a staff member who told us the publication is not a 'respected newspaper' or a 'scientific journal', as we had been told, but a monthly publication of a group of Finnish Christians. The Drilling to Hell story, he said, had been based on the word of mouth recollection of another staff member, who had remembered reading it as a 'major article' in a Finnish daily newspaper called 'Etela Soumen'.
We contacted this newspaper and at first they couldn't recall or find the story. However, we later received a call saying they had discovered that the tale had appeared in their paper. It was not in an article, however, but in a feature section that included letters from readers who could write about almost anything they wished.
Through the newspaper, we tracked down the person who wrote the letter with the Drilling to Hell story. He was a kind, elderly man who, in spite of being reluctant to talk with us initially, told us through an interpreter that he couldn't vouch for the credibility of the story. He got it, he said, from a Christian newsletter called 'Vaeltajat', which was published by a group of Finnish missionaries.
We next contacted 'Vaeltajat'. The editor said the story had been printed in their July 1989 issue. Where did he hear about it? He had received it from one of their readers, who claimed it had appeared in a newsletter called 'Jewels of Jericho', published by a group of Jewish Christians in California. And that is where the Finnish trail came to an end.
One thing was clear at this point: The Drilling to Hell story was looking and smelling like a pretty typical urban legend. It was sensational, impossible to document, and only had life because of all the small publications that were quoting one another's unsubstantiated stories.
However, there was still the Norwegian man, Age Rendalen, who had told the story of the ominous, bat-like creature emerging from the drill-hole. The article in the Trinity Broadcasting Network newsletter said he lived near Oslo, so we called directory assistance and found him in about 45 seconds. I talked with him on the phone myself:
'Are you the one who sent information to a Christian television network in the United States about scientists drilling into hell?' I asked.
'Yes,' he said without hesitation.
'Well,' I continued, 'Do you have any way of knowing whether it is true?'
'Yes I do,' he replied.
'Tell me about it,' I asked.
'None of it is true,' he said. 'I fabricated every word of it!'
Rendalen went on to explain that he had visited the US a few weeks earlier and had seen the host of a Christian television program enthusiastically relating the Drilling to Hell story. He told me: 'I couldn't believe that the hosts really thought the story was true and that they would broadcast it without apparently having checked it out.'
 
When he returned to Norway, Rendalen sat down and fabricated the graphic story of the bat-like creature and sent his letter to the television network. His prediction was that they would use the story without investigating it. To make an investigation easy for them, he included his name, address and telephone number on his letter. He also included what he claimed was an article on the story from 'Norway's largest and most reputable newspaper'. In fact, the article, which he falsely translated, was a piece in his local community paper about a building inspector.
Rendalen also included the name and telephone number of a pastor friend based in Southern California. This pastor knew about the hoax and was prepared to reveal the truth if someone called to research it further with him.
However, as predicted, Trinity Broadcasting Network ran the story without contacting Renalden or the Californian pastor, and it appeared on television, radio and in a large number of publications. None of those who used the story attempted to research it before going public.
'2000 PEOPLE HAVE FOUND CHRIST!'
On 6th February 1990, a listener of mine sent me a letter. She had videotaped and documented all three occasions when this story was discussed on the Christian TV show put out by the network. On 29th January 1990, the show host is documented as saying:
Let me just say, all of you that have written me all those nasty letters about the 'hole in hell', let me tell you I finally got the newspaper article which is from 'The World Weekly'. This is an international newspaper that has been translated into English from Finnish. 'Scientists fear they've opened gates of hell! Geologists drilling nine-mile hole hear human shrieks.'
I got a letter today from a geologist in Oklahoma and he's really giving me a rough time. He says that there isn't anything that could drill that deep. Folks, I'm just reporting what people have been sending to me and I don't know if this is true or not. I know one thing, if this is a trick of the Devil, he sure has blown it, because I know of about 2,000 people that have found Christ because of it!
True or false, I'll tell you what I'm doing, though. We're now going to do some investigative reporting of our own and we're going to check with the Finnish government and the Department of the Interior and we're really going to follow this up and see if they really did drill a hole nine miles down there, if they really did have a microphone down there, if they really did hear human shrieks of agony and pain as this newspaper article and as did many letters I have received from over there have indicated to us. If I'm wrong and they're right, I've got nothing to lose. But if I'm right and you're wrong, you've got everything to lose.
Unfortunately, the investigation by the show took place too late to prevent the damage of a widely spread rumor in the Christian community.
Rendalen has now issued an official statement about his actions and the whole incident, which says: 'The story is nothing more than a Christian "urban legend" without basis in reality.'
There are a couple of postscripts to this incident. One is that the respected magazine, 'Biblical Archaeology Review', printed a story about the Drilling to Hell story, thinking it was so outrageous that readers would get a kick out of it. Many of the readers took the article seriously, however, and either started passing it around as substantiation of the story, or wrote to the magazine to complain that it shouldn't have given it respectability.
Secondly, in August of 1990, I was contacted by the pastor of a small church in Flagstaff, Arizona, who informed me that he had proof that this story was true. Apparently, a man from his church, who was believed to be a PhD in Physics from MIT, came forward in private to claim that he was a scientist who had been on a secret mission in Russia for the past year and had met with Mikhail Gorbachev several times. He verified that the Drilling to Hell story was indeed true. He claimed:
A hole was drilled deep into the crust of the earth in Siberia and a large cavity was found. Unfortunately, news of this was leaked to the press and was distorted. It is true that a recording was made of the sounds from deep in the hole, but the intense heat destroyed the microphone in spite of special cooling material around it, so that only seventeen seconds of sounds could be captured. At the present time, scientists are drilling a second hole to confirm what was found the first time. And a better system is being developed for cooling the microphone.
The scientist went on to claim that he was helping to design this microphone and was returning to Siberia shortly to further document the phenomenon. He planned to return in about a year with more confirming information on this amazing phenomenon.
Six months later, I got a letter from another member of the church saying that this man had turned out to be neither a graduate of MIT nor a scientist. In fact, he had skipped town with over $20,000 collected from church members who wanted to help finance his expedition.
How did this story originate? Again, we will never really know. It is possible that somewhere in the world there has been a spooky experience during deep drilling operations. I don't know. According to an August 1989 article in 'Science' magazine, there is a Russian deep hole drilling project in Kola, near Murmansk, about 150 miles north of the Arctic Circle. Another German deep drilling experiment in north-east Bavaria has discovered warmer temperatures than were expected at certain drilling levels, although nothing even close to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Characteristic of many urban legends, this story was alleged to have occurred in an obscure part of the world where it would be virtually impossible to track down the facts. And once the story got started, people began quoting one another's newsletters to validate their own. This is the stuff of which tabloid newspapers are made.
 
Drilling to hell is foolishness and there is going to be plenty of it happening in the next up coming months. More and more stuff to keep the people stumbling instead of just turning to God and repenting.
 
I agree with drilling to hell being foolish which is why I asked about it. This isn't something I made up this was something a respected pastor spoke on this morning on television.
 
If people continue to do as they please and dont' love God, yes they will burn in the lake of fire that will be created for that purpose according to what each person has done and its not forever its until you die. Until you turn to dust in this case ash. So what do you do, you don't trust in your ideals your feelings you trust in the word of God and lean on all of his words. you put your life (and be wiling to give it up for God that reward is greater then anything you can ever imagine) in jesus hands and follow him. until you pass from this life. don't look back whats back there could never ever had made you happy anyway.

The Bible says the penalty for sin is “death" (Romans 6:23), and "destruction" (Job 21:30). The wicked "shall perish" (Psalm 37:20), "burn" up (Malachi 4:1), "be destroyed together" (Psalm 37:38), "shall be cut off" (Psalm 37:9), and "shall be slain" (Psalm 62:3). These references and many more make it clear that the wicked die and are destroyed.

The Bible does say that the wicked will receive their just rewards—some greater than others—based on their works (Revelation 22:12; Matthew 16:27; Luke 12:47, 48). But they do not live forever in misery.
 
I don't believe that hell is created or that there is such place in existence today. Hell is another word for the grave. The lake of fire will be created after the 1,000.00 years have passed. This is just the devil trying to scare people. When this should not be the focused having a relationship with God and obeying his commandment and loving one another should be the focus. Satan rather have everyone run around in fear and most people will not examine the scriptures to see what is real and what is not.


I mean think about it, what is God going to do pull people out of hell and judge them again and say go back. Its makes no sense none of it. After the 1,000.00 years everyone that died without repenting will be brought back to life for another battle or what they believed to be a battle only to be judged and then sentence, if they are already in hell what is the point of bringing them back. The dead know nothing. NOTHING. there is no light no angles good or bad coming to get them. they are dead period. Their breath of life goes back to god their bodies goes back to dust. they are not in hell perishing they are asleep without dreams. Saved and unsaved or dead - asleep no dreams no awareness they know nothing at all. NOTHING.
 
Though I dont totally agree (I will research), but I do absolutely agree that we should not put too much focus on hell, Satan, or demons. Our relationship with God is about his love for us and our love, obedience and fear (respect and awe of his power) of him not Satan or hell. If you run to Jesus because you dont want to go to hell you miss the point.

We were all destined to hell. Yet God had mercy and grace toward us because we are just dust and we can not control the fact that we have a sin nature. We rejoice in Jesus because he paid the cost we would have paid in hell. Now we can (if we receive salvation) live forever with him.

I don't believe that hell is created or that there is such place in existence today. Hell is another word for the grave. The lake of fire will be created after the 1,000.00 years have passed. This is just the devil trying to scare people. When this should not be the focused having a relationship with God and obeying his commandment and loving one another should be the focus. Satan rather have everyone run around in fear and most people will not examine the scriptures to see what is real and what is not.
 
If people continue to do as they please and dont' love God, yes they will burn in the lake of fire that will be created for that purpose according to what each person has done and its not forever its until you die. Until you turn to dust in this case ash. So what do you do, you don't trust in your ideals your feelings you trust in the word of God and lean on all of his words. you put your life (and be wiling to give it up for God that reward is greater then anything you can ever imagine) in jesus hands and follow him. until you pass from this life. don't look back whats back there could never ever had made you happy anyway.

The Bible says the penalty for sin is “death" (Romans 6:23), and "destruction" (Job 21:30). The wicked "shall perish" (Psalm 37:20), "burn" up (Malachi 4:1), "be destroyed together" (Psalm 37:38), "shall be cut off" (Psalm 37:9), and "shall be slain" (Psalm 62:3). These references and many more make it clear that the wicked die and are destroyed.

The Bible does say that the wicked will receive their just rewards—some greater than others—based on their works (Revelation 22:12; Matthew 16:27; Luke 12:47, 48). But they do not live forever in misery.


Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are saying, but believing that Christ died and went to hell and emerged victorious over death and hell is foundational to Christianity.

So where are dead sinful people right now?
 
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The bat creature story didnt sound to right to me. You can not unleash Satan through a hole in the ground and him saying I have conquered. That wouldnt be biblical correct as Jesus has defeated him. This is the first Ive heard of hell being in the center of the earth. I want to research what other theologians think.
 
This about sums up what I believe to be true:

Most references to Hades do not indicate torment. Jesus was in Hades according to Peter, (Acts 2:31). The only time Jesus mentioned torment in Hades was in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, (Luke 16:19-31). Lazarus was carried by the angels to Abraham's side where he was comforted while the Rich Man was in torment in Hades. However, this is a parable, so we can't build doctrine on the details of the parable, only the main point that believers will be comforted after death while the unrepentant will be punished.
Hades is only a temporary place for the dead until they are judged in the final judgment, (Revelation 20:11-15). At that time, the sea, death, and Hades will give up the dead for judgment. "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:14). Therefore, when Jesus spoke of Gehenna with its continuous fire in Mark 9, he must have been referring to the lake of fire, not to Hades.
After the final judgment, there will be "a new heaven and a new earth", (Revelation 21:1). The Apostle John "saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God." (Revelation 21:2). John "heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.'" (Revelation 21:3). This passage plainly teaches that God's dwelling place will change from heaven to the earth. It is further confirmed by a following passage. "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it." (Revelation 21:23-26).
God has prepared this wonderful dwelling place for mankind. God has promised, "He who overcomes8 will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son." (Revelation 21:7) "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." (Revelation 22:14)

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Is hell a place of fire or a place of complete darkness?

I see alot of references in the bible about outer darkness but nothing about fire? I know the God uses fire for a number of events.
 
Why would they be surprised that it was that hot in the earth's core when volcanic lava (comes from the earth's core) has been reported to have temperatures hotter than that?
 
Why would they be surprised that it was that hot in the earth's core when volcanic lava (comes from the earth's core) has been reported to have temperatures hotter than that?

The new article says the whole thing was made up. I don't know if this is true but I believe it probably is. It appears no one did any fact checking before it was put on television as true.
 
Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are saying, but believing that Christ died and went to hell and emerged victorious over death and hell is foundational to Christianity.

So where are dead sinful people right now?

I have to answer you question in two parts as I am at work and extremely busy but I wanted to take a brake. sinful people are dead. thats all dead no one is in hell. No one. The devil is not in hell ruling anything he is out making war with the people and encouraging people to be more evil then ever he is also out to get anyone who is even thinking about turning to christ. I have to answer the rest when I get home.
 
I have to answer you question in two parts as I am at work and extremely busy but I wanted to take a brake. sinful people are dead. thats all dead no one is in hell. No one. The devil is not in hell ruling anything he is out making war with the people and encouraging people to be more evil then ever he is also out to get anyone who is even thinking about turning to christ. I have to answer the rest when I get home.

I agree that sinful people are spiritually dead. (Ephesians 2:1 - 4) And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

I also agree that we should: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. (1 Peter 5:8)

I don't agree that sinners who died are "sleeping" in their graves awaiting judgement. Ultimately people are going to perish in the lake of fire because of sin, which we both agree on.
 
I am thinking long and hard on this one. But Blazingthru has soon truth in her statement. Read this chapter:

Revelation 20 (New International Version)

Revelation 20
The Thousand Years

1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom
7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Dead Are Judged
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
Pretty dun went and got the Bible! That's what I'm talking about. Okay let me read a little. I might have to answer a little later when I get home. Where is Shimmie?
 
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I know right. And PinkPebbles and pebbles and Nice & Wavy....

For real! Look all I know it that there is hell or hades and there is a place called gehenna. Hell/hades is a holding place for the sinner until the judgement comes. After the judgement if your name is not found in the book of life off to gehenna/lake of fire you go.
 
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