Sometimes it seems that a lot are anti

[Jewell]

I am pro-trim if there is damage or severe breakage. Other than that, I see no need unless the person prefers maintaining a certain length or style. For a long time I trimmed every 8 weeks because I loved the blunt cut, and I wasn't concerned about growing my hair out really long. However, that was a couple years ago. I find now that dusting once or twice every couple of months just to keep the ends neat is sufficient.

 

[~*~ShopAholic~*~]

LOL, , I don't know how I took this personal and I'm far from anti-trim, I am know for cutting off 4 in. of hair or more just because, but since spring last year I was in the mood to grow my hair back to the length I have achieved b4 and beyond..... can I grow past APL hmmmm we sha'll see....and I will have the scissors on this journey w/me to get rid of any unwanted pesty split ends.

Cheers!

Uh-oh, BeautifulWideEyes, you must be taking this personally.

 

[msniq]

LOL, , I don't know how I took this personal and I'm far from anti-trim, I am know for cutting off 4 in. of hair or more just because, but since spring last year I was in the mood to grow my hair back to the length I have achieved b4 and beyond..... can I grow past APL hmmmm we sha'll see....and I will have the scissors on this journey w/me to get rid of any unwanted pesty split ends.

your first sentence was that i posted to set up or something like that and that was not it. in the course of the conversation other things came up. therefor i thought of something else to ask. LIGHTEN UP. jeepers we do not think alike and that is fine. so what i asked another question? how and who are you to say that my inital goal was to say something about growth? it was not. i asked what i asked and then another question popped in to my head. why am i explaining myself to you? you do not know what was in my mind so do not say what i was trying to do.

we disagree that is ok. but for you to make an assumption as to what i was thinking is silly. so stop. you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to what i am thinking.

 

[dynamic1]

I must have missed something. Can someone please explain the correlation between gentecs and trimming?

 

[secretdiamond]

Whoa!! This is what happens behind my back when I decide to turn off the computer for a day?! Here is my LONG 2 cents (sorry)

Anyway, when I read the first post, I was so glad someone finally put a thread up about this. I am definitely PRO-TRIM (this is funny). Just like women from LHCF hate seeing unhealthy, breaking off hair on other women and wish they knew how to take care of their hair, I hate seeing see-through ends reaching bra-strap and someone saying they have reached their goal. Reaching is the right word b/c I think to myself "no your hair is really armpit" (This is just MY honest opinion-- something that I've always thought but afraid to say so I won't get stoned.) I always look at someone's hair and look where the healthy ends stop and the raggedy ends begin and imagine how much nicer it would look with those ends off.

Yes, trims are necessary IMO.
Regular trims will actually help getting your hair longer because there are no split ends that travel up the shafts making your hair shorter as it grows!
But everyone has to decide for themselves. If you don't see 4-6 inches of extra length each year, and you know your hair grows that much from the roots...maybe you need a trim every now and then.

I totally agree.

Now to clarify once more, healthy ends or trimming does not = blunt cut. In the past, I maintained a V-shape and STILL had a v-shape after my trims. I don't understand how some people equate even ends with a blunt cut. Don't people CUT their hair into V or U shapes sometimes????

Anyway, someone (JewellNY) posted earlier that some people who don't trim know they are walking around with see through ends. Sad to say, some REALLY don't. But I do agree in that if they KNOW what they are doing and CHOOSE to do so, that it THEIR decision and should be honored. I ain't dogging NO ONE for not trimming. Shoot, I admire that. I wish I could go for years without trimming if I didn't NEED to. More power to you indeed. But if it is see-through and still calling it healthy, that is an objective word, and healthy it really is not. IMO.

All in all, I believe in trimming when it NEEDS to be trimmed. And to me, this is all based on how you take care of your ends and how well you know your hair. I always make sure I get my trims. My hair only started to thrive and prosper when I listened to my hair and trimmed when it needed to be trimmed. For me, the past couple of years, it HAPPENED to be every 3 months. But since I have completely cut out heat and REALLY learned how to moisturize my hair, I have been able to stretch it longer. So yeah, bunning and moisturizing, etc can help you go longer without a trim, but saying that trims are unnecessary, I dunno about all that now. We just have to find the equal balance for OUR OWN hair.

And my 'trims' are only taking off hair that needed to be cut. So one time it could be a whole inch, and another it could be 1 cm. (and lately is has been just that. ) My hair is the THICKEST it has ever been and I know it's b/c I stop damage where it starts and try to follow LHCF tips.

Also to me, dusting is the same = cutting off split ends when needed.

Unnecessary trims DO hinder progress, but once again, that's IF they are unnecessary. But if you have raggedy ends (and I mean REAL see-through not just uneven), then guess what, the progress has already been taken away--- trimming will only STOP the receding progress. JMHO

 

[msniq]

I must have missed something. Can someone please explain the correlation between gentecs and trimming?

there is none. read the thread. the entire thread, if you want to know when and where the question was asked.

 

[msniq]

Whoa!! This is what happens behind my back when I decide to turn off the computer for a day?! Here is my LONG 2 cents (sorry)

Anyway, when I read the first post, I was so glad someone finally put a thread up about this. I am definitely PRO-TRIM (this is funny). Just like women from LHCF hate seeing unhealthy, breaking off hair on other women and wish they knew how to take care of their hair, I hate seeing see-through ends reaching bra-strap and someone saying they have reached their goal. Reaching is the right word b/c I think to myself "no your hair is really armpit" (This is just MY honest opinion-- something that I've always thought but afraid to say so I won't get stoned.) I always look at someone's hair and look where the healthy ends stop and the raggedy ends begin and imagine how much nicer it would look with those ends off.


I totally agree.

Now to clarify once more, healthy ends or trimming does not = blunt cut. In the past, I maintained a V-shape and STILL had a v-shape after my trims. I don't understand how some people equate even ends with a blunt cut. Don't people CUT their hair into V or U shapes sometimes????

Anyway, someone (JewellNY) posted earlier that some people who don't trim know they are walking around with see through ends. Sad to say, some REALLY don't. But I do agree in that if they KNOW what they are doing and CHOOSE to do so, that it THEIR decision and should be honored. I ain't dogging NO ONE for not trimming. Shoot, I admire that. I wish I could go for years without trimming if I didn't NEED to. More power to you indeed. But if it is see-through and still calling it healthy, that is an objective word, and healthy it really is not. IMO.

All in all, I believe in trimming when it NEEDS to be trimmed. And to me, this is all based on how you take care of your ends and how well you know your hair. I always make sure I get my trims. My hair only started to thrive and prosper when I listened to my hair and trimmed when it needed to be trimmed. For me, the past couple of years, it HAPPENED to be every 3 months. But since I have completely cut out heat and REALLY learned how to moisturize my hair, I have been able to stretch it longer. So yeah, bunning and moisturizing, etc can help you go longer without a trim, but saying that trims are unnecessary, I dunno about all that now. We just have to find the equal balance for OUR OWN hair.

And my 'trims' are only taking off hair that needed to be cut. So one time it could be a whole inch, and another it could be 1 cm. (and lately is has been just that. ) My hair is the THICKEST it has ever been and I know it's b/c I stop damage where it starts and try to follow LHCF tips.

Also to me, dusting is the same = cutting off split ends when needed.

Unnecessary trims DO hinder progress, but once again, that's IF they are unnecessary. But if you have raggedy ends (and I mean REAL see-through not just uneven), then guess what, the progress has already been taken away--- trimming will only STOP the receding progress. JMHO

don't worry about the stoning I have taken that for anyone that has the same opinion. i am soo glad that someone else sees what i see!

 

[~Nigeria~]

... I hate seeing see-through ends reaching bra-strap and someone saying they have reached their goal. Reaching is the right word b/c I think to myself "no your hair is really armpit" (This is just MY honest opinion-- something that I've always thought but afraid to say so I won't get stoned.) I always look at someone's hair and look where the healthy ends stop and the raggedy ends begin and imagine how much nicer it would look with those ends off...

I so agree with this statement . I could not have said it better myself.

 

[dynamic1]

there is none. read the thread. the entire thread, if you want to know when and where the question was asked.

Well, I did read the entire thread and I still do not understand how the two are related. I was looking for someone to explain.

Take it easy.

 

[goldensensation]

Well, I did read the entire thread and I still do not understand how the two are related. I was looking for someone to explain.

Take it easy.

I didnt see it explicitly within the thread either. Now I am not speaking for msniq, but I think that maybe she was saying that since only certain people are genetically capable of achieving healthy, long hair, those who arent should just focus on having healthy hair. And since excessive splits make the hair unhealthy, they should be trimming regularly for maintenance.

My own personal observation about this thread:

People seem to be really emotional over this and it's causing- what i find to be- unnecessary cattiness amongst members. It's just differences in opinion... not that serious.

 

[Samaria]

I am not crazy bout trimmin but I know I HATE seeing long hair with those ugly ends..lol, im sorry I know its just me, but those ends just look EW...I keep my hair up so I dont have to trim often.....My hair doesnt grow even, I've cut it all to one lenght before just for the part of my hair that grows the fastest to just shoot down my back while the rest is waiting so ive realized there is nada i can do about this if I plan to have long hair.

As far as genetics go, I really really hope that dont play a part in hair growth cuz that will depress me seeing as though everyone in my family hair is above their ears.....xcept my sister who listens to me bout hair care so she is past bsl...My hair is growing longer and prettier than I could have ever imagine and I pray to continue to do so, and it's grown to this point without any type of pill, or such. I use surge recently, but up until now I guess it's all me.

 

[Mahalialee4]

Actually I really do read through threads. And when I reply I cover most of the bases. Like many, I fully express my thoughts. But in reality, the comments about paper bags and pencils have to be taken within the context stated which was: those within the stylist industry and the standards that they set and hold others to universally in order to meet their approval and all who ascribe to their standards. Also, it has long been an American+ standard that has been imposed on the world that beauty, beautiful hair, lips, eyes fit into a box standard and outside that box they label it "exotic" or culturally type cast it. There was a time when the paper bag and pencil were used as measuring rods in America. They were used as examples of meeting rigid standards. I really went there. (smile). My points in those cases were generic.
My whole point was: whether or not when we look at hair preferences, are they realistic for everyone, or are they culturally biased? My point was generic. You stated how you feel personally about some things. I did the same. No offence taken. None given. (smile). bonjour

 

[sylver2]

ok, now I am paranoid again.
I use to be one of the people that got trims all the time, and blunt cuts for no reason. So I am getting my touchup Wednesday and will be getting a nice blunt cut. Don't want to have any see thru scraggly ends.

 

[Enchantmt]

Ladies I understand how some of the posts in this thread are being received but lets keep in mind that we are dealing with text to communicate and sometimes condescending attitudes come across when someone is being direct or opinionated even though it is not the posters intent to relay a negative vibe.

I dont expect everyone to agree on techniques and regimens, however I do expect everyone to disagree respectfully.

Please keep it civil.

 

[Divine Inspiration]

ok, now I am paranoid again.
I use to be one of the people that got trims all the time, and blunt cuts for no reason. So I am getting my touchup Wednesday and will be getting a nice blunt cut. Don't want to have any see thru scraggly ends.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Your ends are fine!!! Don't chu cut that hair gurl!!!

 

[~*~ShopAholic~*~]

I second that one, don't you go cutting those lovely tresses if need not be.
As a matter of fact, take a trip over to Divine's she should be up and running by now and will hook you up, I see that braidout in your siggy Divine looking good.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Your ends are fine!!! Don't chu cut that hair gurl!!!

 

[sylver2]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Your ends are fine!!! Don't chu cut that hair gurl!!!

lol..thanks girl
Well then can somebody post a pic of what see thru ends look like or scraggly ends. Maybe people don't know they have that. I don't know what its suppose to look like

 

[dynamic1]

Focus on health and length will follow if long hair is the goal. I am not anti-trim, but I understand how it can be counterproductiive if long hair is the goal.

I agree that thinning split ends need to be trimmed. But people often forget that splits can occur anywhere on the shaft and not just the ends. So if there are a few stray hairs split in the middle of the shaft, should you throw the baby out with the bath water?

I maintain 2 stylists in different cities. There is definetly a difference in what some stylists consider a trim. I think this is what frightens some women. When I go to stylist A, she is trimming to maintain the style. Stylist B trims only when and what needs to be trimmed to maintain the health. Inevitably, I always get a deeper trim from Stylist A. But I already know this going in and she does not charge for trims. When I'm back home, Stylist B has remarked a few times, "why did she cut so much?" or "She took a lot".

Some stylists trim just for aesthetics and some trim for maintenance and health. My hair grows out of a style very quickly because some areas grow at a faster rate. So if I always went to Stylist A my hair would never get past a certain length or get there very slowly. Stylist A wants to "maintain the look" If I chalked it up to genetics, I would be incorrect. (She is also concerned about health as well but she's an artist. LOL)

When I don’t straighten frequently, I trim less often and vice versa. It doesn't require any more products to hold a style before or after the trim.

I think I know where the sensitivity is coming from. Let me give you an example. First, I go to a weight loss forum where a lot of low-carbers frequent. I pull people into my thread with “sometimes it seems that a lot are anti-carb.” Next, I claim “some people are just going to be overweight because of genetics” and go on to state how terrible people look while they are on low-carb diets. (Keep in mind there may be some anti-carbers with a Fotki account up). I am going to offend someone on that forum even if it is just an opinion. (Disclaimer: this was just an example and does not represent my opinion on weight loss or low-carb diets)

 

[Crackers Phinn]

trim.
it seems that a lot of people do not want to get the trim. why is that? you soo need trims. it makes the hair look healthy and it aids in styling. you have to do less to the hair when it is cut well. stop fighting the scissor. what is the goal? healthy hair or long scragly hair?

Ok, I'm curious.

How often do you trim your hair? Is it when you notice split ends? Or do you trim your hair by a schedule, i.e., once a month, after relaxing, etc.? How much hair do you trim, 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, etc.?

How long is your hair?
How do you wear your hair?

I have read the entire thread and have not really found where you describe how you approach trimming. Perhaps this will clear up some of the confusion.

 

[LovelyZ]

As far as genetics go, I really really hope that dont play a part in hair growth cuz that will depress me seeing as though everyone in my family hair is above their ears

I was thinking the same thing. My hair is longer than everyone else in my family.

Maybe if I wanted hair to my knees genetics might play a role, but for bra strap length, I don't think it will be an issue. When I consider people who have dreads, their hair seems to grow very, very long. But I guess I'll find out soon.

 

[Sistaslick]

But the thing is, you can't really judge length capability by dreds because they aren't true "scalp to end" length... if that makes sense. They are the accumlation of shed hair, growing hair, broken hair all meshed into one. I do think that at least brastrap length (and maybe even waist) is attainable for everyone. The longer lengths may be up for discussion though But shoot, we'll never know until we see for ourselves! You can't just look at your parents and cousins and sisters, especially if they haven't been practicing healthy hair practices for years. If I listened to that, I would have given up a long time ago. I only have 2 family members with what I'd call long hair- it definitely doesn't just "run in the family" for us. Some ladies and some families may have it "easier" than others, but I think we all have potential. The point is the break the cycle of doubt. Thats what this whole hair journey thing is all about-- finding out our true hair potential after we've been in the dark for so long. Just my two cents.

 

[Miss*Tress]

I think I know where the sensitivity is coming from. Let me give you an example. First, I go to a weight loss forum where a lot of low-carbers frequent. I pull people into my thread with “sometimes it seems that a lot are anti-carb.” Next, I claim “some people are just going to be overweight because of genetics” and go on to state how terrible people look while they are on low-carb diets. (Keep in mind there may be some anti-carbers with a Fotki account up). I am going to offend someone on that forum even if it is just an opinion. (Disclaimer: this was just an example and does not represent my opinion on weight loss or low-carb diets)

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Crackers Phinn]

As far as genetics go, I really really hope that dont play a part in hair growth cuz that will depress me seeing as though everyone in my family hair is above their ears

I was thinking the same thing. My hair is longer than everyone else in my family.

Maybe if I wanted hair to my knees genetics might play a role, but for bra strap length, I don't think it will be an issue. When I consider people who have dreads, their hair seems to grow very, very long. But I guess I'll find out soon.

Here is the thing, if the people in your family:
-wash their hair infrequently
-apply perm from root to tip every application,
-use heat daily
-don't moisturize their hair with anything other than 'grease'

Neither you nor they are seeing their hair growing under optimal conditions.

 

[remnant]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Your ends are fine!!! Don't chu cut that hair gurl!!!

Co-signing! Noooooooooooooooooooo Sylver2 !
But, only you know what suit you better!.......but................
Anyway, I'm still loving your hair!!!

 

[remnant]

But the thing is, you can't really judge length capability by dreds because they aren't true "scalp to end" length... if that makes sense. They are the accumlation of shed hair, growing hair, broken hair all meshed into one. I do think that at least brastrap length (and maybe even waist) is attainable for everyone. The longer lengths may be up for discussion though But shoot, we'll never know until we see for ourselves! You can't just look at your parents and cousins and sisters, especially if they haven't been practicing healthy hair practices for years. If I listened to that, I would have given up a long time ago. I only have 2 family members with what I'd call long hair- it definitely doesn't just "run in the family" for us. Some ladies and some families may have it "easier" than others, but I think we all have potential. The point is the break the cycle of doubt. Thats what this whole hair journey thing is all about-- finding out our true hair potential after we've been in the dark for so long. Just my two cents.

Co-signing Sistaslick!!!

 

[Princess04]

I believe I read some where that heredity (genetics) only plays a role when you want to have extremely long hair (I can't remember where I read that. I guess I have a little searching to do) But brastrap length is normal. If you take really good care of your hair . But hey I'm known to be wrong.


Off Topic: I love this website and you gals. I've learned a lot here(first time posting here)

 

[SexySin985]

I believe I read some where that heredity (genetics) only plays a role when you want to have extremely long hair (I can't remember where I read that. I guess I have a little searching to do) But brastrap length is normal. If you take really good care of your hair . But hey I'm known to be wrong.


Off Topic: I love this website and you gals. I've learned a lot here(first time posting here)

I read that also. And in one of my Anatomy lectures my professors said the same thing. I will have to look in my old books to find it.

 

[kegbire27]

trim.
it seems that a lot of people do not want to get the trim. why is that? you soo need trims. it makes the hair look healthy and it aids in styling. you have to do less to the hair when it is cut well. stop fighting the scissor. what is the goal? healthy hair or long scragly hair?

I have not trimmed my hair in years. Actually the last trim I received was when I was trying to remove my relaxed hair. This was during my transitioning stages and that was three years ago. This is not intentional though. I just wash and go all the time. I just try to minimize the hands dealing with my hair.

 

[Poohbear]

Ok, I'm curious.

How often do you trim your hair? Is it when you notice split ends? Or do you trim your hair by a schedule, i.e., once a month, after relaxing, etc.? How much hair do you trim, 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, etc.?

How long is your hair?
How do you wear your hair?

I have read the entire thread and have not really found where you describe how you approach trimming. Perhaps this will clear up some of the confusion.

buming for msniq... I'm curious too...

 

[MissJ]

Well, I went to my stylist for the first time at the end of September. She did a big cut. Then I went back in December. She was like, "Are you going to get a trim today?" I was like, "No." She washed and blowdried my hair. Then she was like, "Your ends look good, but I can't let you leave without a trim since you haven't been here for so long." In the Lil Jon voice in my head, "WHAT!" Wow, she did something I didn't want or need, and then I had to pay $10 extra for it. If you don't need a trim, I don't think you should have to get one. Why do stylists think like that? In the words of Deion Sanders, "Must be the money." Heck, I dunno.