Soft and NON-GREASY hair - only a dream???

[Kiki0130]

Bublin, dear dear dear...again, you've not been paying attention in class. That is what it's supposed to do if you apply it damp hair or if you apply with some other product.


First of all, I believe S Curl should be used alone. If applied to damp hair, it WILL and MUST dry hard. That's OK. After your hair dries, you're supposed to apply it again to the dry hair to soften hair and baggy for the night. And if you baggy every night, you can go for days with soft touchable hair that does not need anymore. If you're in a very dry climate, this may not work...but I do believe that a spritz or humidifier can fix that problem.

And yes, I only use S Curl if I do use something and that's only when I'm wearing my hair out. (Usually if it twists, my hair is NAKED. NO PRODUCT AT ALL). If wearing my hair out, I don't use anything else (S Curl IS a moisturizer and it is a leave-in, why would you need more?) and I do not seal because I've never felt a need to. Juice isn't like any ol' water-based moisturizer that might evaporate. It stays around and so no sealing necessary IMO.

Looks like you haven't been to church. Follow me and don't blink.

I've been paying attention and I think I fixed that for posterity, lol.

Is that right Nonie? Did you mean to type 'damp' not 'dry'?

 

[Charla]

Bublin

Chitlins are fed and in the bed!

So I'm going to start with these four options tomorrow. First I'll cowash with Tressemme Naturals then divide hair in 4 sections, twist and tie hair for the night.

1. Only water and seal with castor oil.
2. Only avj and seal with castor oil.
3. AVJ+gly mix (at my current proportions of 4oz avj and 1 tbs gly)and seal with castor oil. (if further testing is needed I'll half the amount of glycerin as suggested earlier.)
4. kimmay-style leave in (with no additional spritzs or sealing) 2 tablespoons Aussie Moist, 2 tbs avj, 2 teaspoons castor oil
(kimmay recommends a silicone-free conditioner for this recipe, but Aussie Moist has dimethicone. If I have to do further testing because none of these options work out, then I'll try this recipe with Giovanni Direct Leave-in since it's silicone free.)

I'm going to give my hair 2 days, so I will report back Thursday!
If NONE of these options work out, then I'll try again with a variation as stated on #3 and #4, plus I'll try the scurl option the way Nonie recommends and see if I still end up with greasy fried chicken hair!

 

[faithVA]

@Bublin

Chitlins are fed and in the bed!

So I'm going to start with these four options tomorrow. First I'll cowash with Tressemme Naturals then divide hair in 4 sections, twist and tie hair for the night.

1. Only water and seal with castor oil.
2. Only avj and seal with castor oil.
3. AVJ+gly mix (at my current proportions of 4oz avj and 1 tbs gly)and seal with castor oil. (if further testing is needed I'll half the amount of glycerin as suggested earlier.)
4. kimmay-style leave in (with no additional spritzs or sealing) 2 tablespoons Aussie Moist, 2 tbs avj, 2 teaspoons castor oil
(kimmay recommends a silicone-free conditioner for this recipe, but Aussie Moist has dimethicone. If I have to do further testing because none of these options work out, then I'll try this recipe with Giovanni Direct Leave-in since it's silicone free.)

I'm going to give my hair 2 days, so I will report back Thursday!
If NONE of these options work out, then I'll try again with a variation as stated on #3 and #4, plus I'll try the scurl option the way @Nonie recommends and see if I still end up with greasy fried chicken hair!

Charla,

I did something similar. I did 16 sections of twist and did product comparisons. I wrote about it in my blog. It was very helpful and it helped me learn about my hair and a lot of products all at 1 time. I hope this gives you a lot of insight.

 

[Nonie]

LOL Charla I'm even more confused now.

What you described would just feel dry if the flour is too much cf. the grease. I'd feel this stuck on flour that's like glued down. And if the grease was more than the flour, I'm picturing this oily lump of moist dough. LOL

Maybe I am just tired. I'll try this again with a thinking cap on a rested brain tomorrow.

 

[Nonie]

I've been paying attention and I think I fixed that for posterity, lol.

Is that right @Nonie? Did you mean to type 'damp' not 'dry'?

@Kiki0130. No, I meant to type just what I did. Folks give up on S Curl after one try because it makes hair hard when it dries. But--and there's a whole thread dedicated to this topic--S Curl does not work well on wet hair. It works well on dry hair. It's a song I have sang over and over that when you apply S Curl after a wash while hair is damp, when the water dries up, you will have straw for hair: hard, dry, bristles that could make a nice loofah. But you don't let that fool you. Instead you reapply the S Curl to the now fully dried hair and you will have soft, hair. Go even further and baggy that hair, preferably in twists or braids and you will anymore juice, but just baggying for the night.

ETA: Uhmm... Kiki0130, you just made me type a whole redundant post, you snot! When you quoted me, you EDITED my post so when I looked at what you highlighted, I thought you were questioning that statement when you had already changed what needed changing.

Girl, I don't expect to have to scroll back to my post to check what I wrote when someone quotes me, so I assumed you quoted ME and just highlighted the part you were questioning. erplexed

I did mean to write DAMP...but because when you quoted me you alread had changed my error DRY to DAMP, I had no clue WTH heck you were talmbout.

 

[empressri]

Some oils I've found to be quickly absorbing that leave your hair soft without the oil slick feeling:

sunflower
argan
japanese camellia kissi

Some leave ins that do the same:

Shescentit coco creme leave in
Curl junkie honey butta leave in
Anita Grant's hair butters, they have murumuru and cupuacu which are also very absorbent on my hair.

Glycerin makes my hair feel weird and castor oil...even if I use a little bit I get that tacky feeling but eh I don't mind it so much in the winter.

 

[Kiki0130]

@Kiki0130. No, I meant to type just what I did. Folks give up on S Curl after one try because it makes hair hard when it dries. But--and there's a whole thread dedicated to this topic--S Curl does not work well on wet hair. It works well on dry hair. It's a song I have sang over and over that when you apply S Curl after a wash while hair is damp, when the water dries up, you will have straw for hair: hard, dry, bristles that could make a nice loofah. But you don't let that fool you. Instead you reapply the S Curl to the now fully dried hair and you will have soft, hair. Go even further and baggy that hair, preferably in twists or braids and you will anymore juice, but just baggying for the night.

ETA: Uhmm... Kiki0130, you just made me type a whole redundant post, you snot! When you quoted me, you EDITED my post so when I looked at what you highlighted, I thought you were questioning that statement when you had already changed what needed changing.

Girl, I don't expect to have to scroll back to my post to check what I wrote when someone quotes me, so I assumed you quoted ME and just highlighted the part you were questioning. erplexed

I did mean to write DAMP...but because when you quoted me you alread had changed my error DRY to DAMP, I had no clue WTH heck you were talmbout.

Bwahahahahahaha I'm sorry Nonie! I'm still taking Forum 101!

 

[Poohbear]

My hair tends to be on the greasy side sometimes when I wear my natural hair straightened. I have to use grease in order to keep my hair from reverting. I don't want to straighten my natural hair just to have it last for a few days. I would love to achieve soft non-greasy hair when it's straight.

 

[Bublin]

My hair tends to be on the greasy side sometimes when I wear my natural hair straightened. I have to use grease in order to keep my hair from reverting. I don't want to straighten my natural hair just to have it last for a few days. I would love to achieve soft non-greasy hair when it's straight.

Poohbear - have you tried serums like John Frieda Frizz Ease on your straightened hair? That wouldn't be as greasy.

 

[Poohbear]

Poohbear - have you tried serums like John Frieda Frizz Ease on your straightened hair? That wouldn't be as greasy.

Bublin - I thought about John Frieda Frizz Ease Serum but it's a bit too expensive for me for the size of the bottle. I currently have Fantasia ic Straightening Serum which I bought not too long ago. I have used it once so far to blowdry my hair, but I've never tried it by itself for when I flat iron. After blowdrying, I would apply grease to my hair. Maybe next time, I will just skip the grease after blowdrying with this serum and see what happens.

 

[empressri]

I find that the serums actually make my hair feel greasy after awhile when I flatiron. They feel FANTABULOUS that first day but as the days go on...ick.

That's when last time I learned to use just a dab of the camellia kissi oil on my hair and even two weeks later when it was dirty my hair was soo soft and not greasy.

 

[Charla]

Bublin

How did your mini experiment turn out?

I started today and ended up with 5 sections of experiments.

Cowashed with Tressemme Naturals

1. Only water and seal with castor oil.

2. Only avj and seal with castor oil.

3. AVJ+gly mix and seal with castor oil.

4. avj+gly mix only, no sealing.

5. kimmay-style leave in. 2 tablespoons Aussie Moist, 1tbs avj, 2 teaspoons castor oil. (I checked the pH of Aussie Moist and it was 6, so I only added 1 tbs avj instead of 2. This brought the pH down to 5.5.)

Tenatively, I believe #2 or #5 will be the winners that leave me with soft, non-greasy hair. After I applied each experiment, I detangled then plaited that section. #2 felt great on my hair instantly and was easy to detangle. #5 felt great as well and satisfied that "creamy moisturizer" I "think" my hair likes. Plus it detangled easily also. #4 was the hardest to detangle.

I'll post final results Thursday.

 

[Bublin]

Hey @Charla was just thinking of messaging you.

I'm really bad with being premature with results only to realise that whatever i tried didn't really work out (but work for everyone else erplexed)

Well, so far so good. Bearing in mind that i had a bunch of products in my hair already - my watery Kimmay leave-in felt instantly good for my hair. It just seemed to melt away tangles and soften up my hair. This morning and this afternoon i reapplied and re-braided which i put into two buns. I see results of soft hair, no crunchy feeling, no coated feeling and i was easily able to unbraid and rebraid without any tangling at all. I didn't even seal during the reapplications.

I don't have the time to wash my hair until Friday so i plan to clarify, deep con and then apply the correct receipe/ratios to my hair....then i can give a full reveiw.

I agree #2 or #5 will probably have the best results as i don't think just water is enough for our hair and the others contain glycerin which we highly suspect don't work. Seems like avj is the magic ingredient.

 

[natural2008]

Nonie, S-curl should be applied to wet hair after one washes?

 

[Nonie]

@Nonie, S-curl should be applied to wet hair after one washes?

natural2008 I do, because if wearing my hair out I NEED to comb it out and I need some type of balm to provide slip. (I do not use any other product and there's no way to comb my hair w/o some sort of slip.)

If I'm not going anywhere and don't need to style my hair, I can just let my hair airdry in the braids I washed it in first, then apply S Curl to my dry hair. But if I need to be somewhere (like work), I will towel dry my hair, then undo each braid and dry well with a towel more then apply S Curl so I can comb with ease. I moisturize one plait at a time, then style.

The difference between applying S Curl to damp hair and applying to dry is shown below.

This first pic shows how S Curl on damp hair gives major shrinkage and the puff is so compact you can hardly fit a finger in, and when the water dries, the hair will feel hard and dry, so you have to apply again to soften:

S Curl applied to dry hair doesn't give as much shrinkage and the hair is soft and fluffy and stays that way without you needing to reapply as long as you baggy nightly. This hair below is baby soft:

 

[natural2008]

Nonie, thank you becasue I was confused, lol.

 

[Miss*Tress]

I use cantu shea butter and seal with coconut oil (a small amount). I usually mist with water beforehand. I love this combo, however if you overdo either the cantu, or oil you'll get residue (waxy/oily) . Where I need to top up moisture later in the week I mist to "revive" it or repeat the whole process if very dry.

Like someone else said, I think the OP is using too much oil. I follow a similar process as above with Cantu Shea Butter Leave-In Conditioner and a very light oil. Giovanni Leave-In gives similar results.

 

[virtuenow]

Oil rinsing (w/castor oil) is what did it for me. I never in my life felt my hair so moist. Then at the same time its not greasy. You can squeeze the hair and feel the moisture in your fingers. Now thats moist. Remember a little bit goes a long way too.

 

[virtuenow]

I just read the rest of the thread. It sounds like OP and bublin are using the same leave in process I went through recently. I settled on avj & Aubrey organics HSR seald w/Jamaican black castor oil or mixed in. My avj concoction started w/Kimmaytubes creamy leave in. Now it has evloved to more avj so that it is "watery" and found that works much better for moisture. To be exact, I mix 3-5 squirts of AO HSR (& a lil GPB) and 3-4oz of avj. I posted about it here in a similar thread where an lhcfer was in the search for creamy leave in. http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=562957

 

[Curlykale]

@virtuenow this question must have been asked 56798404 times but... does jamaican black castor oil have special features if compared to regular castor in your opinion?

by the way, the aloe on dry hair really detangles every single strand in these concoctions. It makes daily manipulation easier (it does have mucilage according to wikipedia, like flax gel or slippery elm, marshmallow root, knot today and all that jazz... I think I love mucilages).

 

[Poohbear]

@virtuenow this question must have been asked 56798404 times but... does jamaican black castor oil have special features if compared to regular castor in your opinion?

I would like to know the answer to this question too because when I tried applying regular castor oil to my hair, it was a sticky mess.

 

[Charla]

@virtuenow this question must have been asked 56798404 times but... does jamaican black castor oil have special features if compared to regular castor in your opinion?

by the way, the aloe on dry hair really detangles every single strand in these concoctions. It makes daily manipulation easier (it does have mucilage according to wikipedia, like flax gel or slippery elm, marshmallow root, knot today and all that jazz... I think I love mucilages).

Curlykale -- that's interesting about the aloe. Does that refer to the aloe gel only versus the aloe juice?

 

[Charla]

Oil rinsing (w/castor oil) is what did it for me. I never in my life felt my hair so moist. Then at the same time its not greasy. You can squeeze the hair and feel the moisture in your fingers. Now thats moist. Remember a little bit goes a long way too.

virtuenow

Thanks for the info. What's your process for applying the castor oil for your rinses considering it's viscosity?

 

[toufa]

I would like to know the answer to this question too because when I tried applying regular castor oil to my hair, it was a sticky mess.

Same here. I purchased some castor oil specifically for sealing and for oiling my scalp because I thought it would help with thickening my hair. But it's just greasy and it itches. I ordered some Jamaican Black to see if its better. Hope so.

 

[Curlykale]

@Curlykale -- that's interesting about the aloe. Does that refer to the aloe gel only versus the aloe juice?

definitely the juice and definitely on dry hair. my hair doesn't like aloe gels as much.

THIS is the thread where I discovered, and started to use, aloe juice as a detangler.
THIS is another one (still aloe juice on dry hair).
And THIS is a thread about Chicoro's pre-poo.

 

[Charla]

definitely the juice and definitely on dry hair. my hair doesn't like aloe gels as much.

THIS is the thread where I discovered, and started to use, aloe juice as a detangler.
THIS is another one (still aloe juice on dry hair).
And THIS is a thread about Chicoro's pre-poo.

Thank you! I appreciate those links!

 

[Renewed1]

Same here. I purchased some castor oil specifically for sealing and for oiling my scalp because I thought it would help with thickening my hair. But it's just greasy and it itches. I ordered some Jamaican Black to see if its better. Hope so.

Let us know if JBCO is better. I put castor oil on my scalp and it does itches, I have to wash my hair every 4 days.

 

[PinkPeony]

Thank you! @ms-gg for mentioning curl activator...but I skip the gel and do the spray. Find the gel sticky and gross...

As much as I preach about S Curl you'd think it'd be a household topic since in every post I rave about it I pretty much gush about how it gives me hair that uber soft without being icky sticky and hair that does not leave grease marks on furniture. And how it's the ONLY leave-in I will use coz I can't stand to feel product on my skin...but love it coz it makes my hair shrink up and away from my neck and stay in a fluffy puff.

@Charla, where da hell have you been????

Nonie ah my beloved Scurl loved it relaxed, love it as a natural.

OP I'm wearing my hair in twists and cowash them at least 1x a week.
If I seal I often use a glycerin/water/biosilk mix .
I also like moisturizing with a leave in like no breakage and then seal with coconut oil.
I noticed I do need more product during the wash but less on dry hair since becoming natural, since my hair is in it's natural state it is better able to retain and regulate it's moisture level.

 

[virtuenow]

@virtuenow this question must have been asked 56798404 times but... does jamaican black castor oil have special features if compared to regular castor in your opinion?

by the way, the aloe on dry hair really detangles every single strand in these concoctions. It makes daily manipulation easier (it does have mucilage according to wikipedia, like flax gel or slippery elm, marshmallow root, knot today and all that jazz... I think I love mucilages).

@virtuenow

Thanks for the info. What's your process for applying the castor oil for your rinses considering it's viscosity?

Curlykale, I wouldn't say special features, but the Jamaican black castor oil (jbco) has a nutty smell that I like. Thats the main reason I use it instead of my regular castor oil (plus its more expensive). The reg castor oil has no smell, and I like to have stand-out smells for my leave in. I said I seal w/the jbco, but b/c it and castor oil are so thick, I usually mix it in my hand w/the leave in as I'm applying. I don't think the jbco is quite as thick as the reg castor oil.

However, Charla I use the regular castor oil for my oil rinses. I keep a big bottle especially for that purpose. The oil rinses give me enough moisture to make it almost through the whole week. I have learned to only use a little bit-- since castor oil spreads so nicely under water. I can use about an eighth of a teaspon for one quadron of my hair. I squeeze about half the dime size amount into my hands while the water is runnign and spread in 4 sections of my hair. I usually do a separate squeeze into my troubled area crown.

AS far as aloe vera juice, I started learning alot about it when I began to pre-poo with it. This is the mix I use and you may like it. It helped me come up w/my leave in as well: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=509482

 

[Charla]

However, Charla I use the regular castor oil for my oil rinses. I keep a big bottle especially for that purpose. The oil rinses give me enough moisture to make it almost through the whole week. I have learned to only use a little bit-- since castor oil spreads so nicely under water. I can use about an eighth of a teaspon for one quadron of my hair. I squeeze about half the dime size amount into my hands while the water is runnign and spread in 4 sections of my hair. I usually do a separate squeeze into my troubled area crown.

AS far as aloe vera juice, I started learning alot about it when I began to pre-poo with it. This is the mix I use and you may like it. It helped me come up w/my leave in as well: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=509482

Thanks, virtuenow I was just in that thread and reading how your hair responded to the Chicoro prepooing using castor oil.
And I never would have thought to apply castor under running water, but it's so thick, I guess it can take it! Thanks so much!

One more question, please! Do you prepoo in the Chicoro method and oil rinse each time or do both or one or the other as needed?