Secular musician, and also a Christian... Who thinks I'm going to hell?

What do you think about Christians singing "positive" secular music?

  • I don't care.

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • I think its ok as long as the message is positive and uncompromising.

    Votes: 8 61.5%
  • I think that it is an abomination!!!!!

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • I think that it is ok but I wouldn't do it.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    13
I have seen a lot of talk about secular music. Here is the deal, I am a singer... I sell my music to make a living, along with many other things that I do. I sing Christian music as well. I don't cuss in my music. My songs are real as they come, happy, sad, hurt, everything. I found a way to make my music reach people from all walks of life. And even after shows I find people asking me about my inspiration, and when I tell them Christ they are receptive. I touch more lives in a secular atmosphere than in a Christian one. So tell me this, Who thinks I'm wrong??? Let me know your thoughts? I am very curious. I'm still going to be the same after this thread however, so don't believe you are changing me with your opinions, I just think this is a good discussion.
 
Didn't you just post a message saying that peoples coments on this subject in another thread was full of judging? And in that post you called for people to not judge? But, you are now creating a thread asking people to judge you?


Interesting.

:ohwell:
 
no, if you had read you would notice that I want people's opinion... its different... did I not say I was curious? why did you reply anyways if you're not going to discuss? It's a discussion...
 
no, if you had read you would notice that I want people's opinion... its different... did I not say I was curious? why did you reply anyways if you're not going to discuss? It's a discussion...

Opinion and judging...

So if someone answers your question..Do you think I am going to hell because I am a Secular musician who is also Christian? They are just giving their opinion but not judging you?
 
Really doesn't matter what we think, right?

That's all up to our merciful God!

If you have no convictions, then humbly do you!
 
Really doesn't matter what we think, right?

That's all up to our merciful God!

If you have no convictions, then humbly do you!

ITA! as long as you can sleep at night, believe what you are singing about is righteous, and ok with what the Word says, then do your thing!

welcome to the forum!
 
to the op.. no i dont think you are going to hell.. geeze people cant just answer the question.. i like secular music.. i cant get enough of r and b. and to add dont worry about the comments made.. you are asking us a question.. to me thats not judging.. judging is looking at someones lifestyle not knowing the whole picture and making an opinion of it.. girl... i suggest though u take a break from posting ( no offense) i just know how this forum is .. people will remember you name and use everything you said or do against you christian or not...
 
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to the op.. no i dont think you are going to hell.. geeze people cant just answer the question.. i like secular music.. i cant get enough of r and b. and to add dont worry about the comments made.. you are asking us a question.. to me thats not judging.. judging is looking at someones lifestyle not knowing the whole picture and making an opinion of it.. girl... i suggest though u take a break from posting ( no offense) i just know how this forum is .. people will remember you name and use everything you said or do against.. christian or not...
I answered in the way I thought was right...and I won't say I was wrong either.
 
thats fine.. i really wasnt refferring to you.. other people posted in this thread too
I was one of the posters, so when you said "geez, people can't just answer the question" I responded to that.

It's all good though....we must come together in this forum...souls are at stake!

Blessings.
 
Didn't you just post a message saying that peoples coments on this subject in another thread was full of judging? And in that post you called for people to not judge? But, you are now creating a thread asking people to judge you?


Interesting.

:ohwell:



Hi.. correct me please if I am wrong. Isnt it different when ppl ask questions concerning another persons lifestyle in the forum then if someone actually want an opinion on there own lifestyle i think its different... You are right in actuality we are all judging i guess but I think its somewhat diff in this case..
 
I was one of the posters, so when you said "geez, people can't just answer the question" I responded to that.

It's all good though....we must come together in this forum...souls are at stake!

Blessings.



ok fair enough.. i just feel its unfair when someone ask a question to go all around the bush.. the question was simple so why do we have to make the answer complicated. but as you said you do have the right to speak what you feel..
 
ok fair enough.. i just feel its unfair when someone ask a question to go all around the bush.. the question was simple so why do we have to make the answer complicated. but as you said you do have the right to speak what you feel..
I can understand, but speaking about my post...wasn't complicated at all. What is unfair is when unbelievers see believers acting like the world...that bothers me to no end.
 
I can understand, but speaking about my post...wasn't complicated at all. What is unfair is when unbelievers see believers acting like the world...that bothers me to no end.


unbelivers? who are you referring to. im confused

Lets be real. I am a believer and it would be a straight up lie to sit here and say that believers sometimes dont act up.. myself included.
 
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hey again i reread your post .. maybe i was misunderstanding what i was reading.. can you just claify please your statement .
 
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hey again i reread your post .. maybe i was misunderstanding what i was reading.. can you just claify please your statement .
No prob....because the CF is public, there are many unbelievers (non-christians) who read this forum and every word that is written therein. Many have joined and only pm because they don't want to share on this forum because of stuff that are said here, but will share with whom they feel are 'safe' members and there have been many that I have led to Christ because of this and many I have prayed (believers, new posters) with.

We should look to this forum as a ministry....not a battleground.

That's what I meant....hth.
 
No prob....because the CF is public, there are many unbelievers (non-christians) who read this forum and every word that is written therein. Many have joined and only pm because they don't want to share on this forum because of stuff that are said here, but will share with whom they feel are 'safe' members and there have been many that I have led to Christ because of this and many I have prayed (believers, new posters) with.

We should look to this forum as a ministry....not a battleground.

That's what I meant....hth.


ok gotcha.. i was just wondering why you even stated that in the first place in regards to this thread. I dunno if you were referring to the way I have been responding or if you were just making a general statement.
 
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ok gotcha.. i was just wondering why you even stated that in the first place in regards to this thread. I dunno if you were referring to the way I have been responding or if you were just making a general statement.
Glad you understand now:yep:

Have a great evening!
 
Glad you understand now:yep:

Have a great evening!


Thanks but you didnt answer my question.. were you referring to the way i was acting or just making a general statement?If you were referring to me I dont think i was acting worldy i was just stating my opinion thats all just like you was and i also stated my frustration just like you did. IF non belivers read this and get a bad vibe then I dunno what do say cause within us as believers we will disagree with each other sometimes. that doesnt make us wordly. I dont think i spoke in a way that should be considered wordly but i will drop the issue because this is not what the thread was about ..

take care
 
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You hellbound, chile! First train out! LOL!

No, you're not going to hell (if it exists!).

God manifests his love through more ways than just religion.

If your music is positive and it helps people to sustain, you're helping them, not hurting them.

You're not calling people ugly names, etc.

Inspirational music is God-sent too... keep singing! :)
 
ok gotcha.. i was just wondering why you even stated that in the first place in regards to this thread. I dunno if you were referring to the way I have been responding or if you were just making a general statement.

Thanks but you didnt answer my question.. were you referring to the way i was acting or just making a general statement. If you were referring to me I dont think i was acting worldy i was just stating my opinion thats all just like you was and i also stated my frustration just like you did. IF non belivers read this and get a bad vibe then I dunno what do say cause within us as believers we will disagree with each other sometimes. that doesnt make us wordly. I dont think i spoke in a way that should be considered wordly but i will drop the issue because this is not what the thread was about ..

take care
You asked a question? Oh, I thought you were responding to my post...didn't realize that was a question.

Ok....I was speaking about unbelievers....I never called you an unbeliever or that YOU were acting worldly....I was speaking about ALL OF US on this forum and the things that we say to one another that can be like the world, not as christians.

HTH...you take care too.
 
You asked a question? Oh, I thought you were responding to my post...didn't realize that was a question.

Ok....I was speaking about unbelievers....I never called you an unbeliever or that YOU were acting worldly....I was speaking about ALL OF US on this forum and the things that we say to one another that can be like the world, not as christians.

HTH...you take care too.


ok understood now.. my fault for not making my question clear.
 
I have seen a lot of talk about secular music. Here is the deal, I am a singer... I sell my music to make a living, along with many other things that I do. I sing Christian music as well. I don't cuss in my music. My songs are real as they come, happy, sad, hurt, everything. I found a way to make my music reach people from all walks of life. And even after shows I find people asking me about my inspiration, and when I tell them Christ they are receptive. I touch more lives in a secular atmosphere than in a Christian one. So tell me this, Who thinks I'm wrong??? Let me know your thoughts? I am very curious. I'm still going to be the same after this thread however, so don't believe you are changing me with your opinions, I just think this is a good discussion.

What I'm about to share is 'on YOUR side. :yep:

Last night I noticed the website in your siggy and I took a look at it.

www.ballwrightnow.com

I don't see anything partcularly 'bad' about it, as most of us work in secular environments, the entertainment world is truly no exception, but I think you have a 'conviction' about the venue you're in, otherwise you would not have posted and asked what 'we' think about it.

And this does not say that you are doing something wrong or that you are in sin, neither are you a bad person. Not at all. However, on the contrary, whenever we ask for someone elses' views, thoughts, opinions, it's ususally because we have a 'question' within ourselves about what we are doing, is it right or wrong (even when we defend it, for defense is most often the basis of a conviction).

My Dad would always tell us that if we're so sure about it, then why ask him if it's right or wrong and why preface the question with reasons to justify why we do what we do, when no one has asked us, other than our conscience.

If you say that you're going to continue with what you are doing anyway, no matter what anyone says/thinks, then why ask for other's opinions, unless.................

You have a 'conviction' about it. Something is in your heart that doesn't feel at total peace.

Let me say this. This a a good thing for you to ask. Because it shows that you've been hearing the voice of God and the promptings of the Holy Spirit who is always there to lead and guide us into all truth.

Because God loves us and protects us, there may be somethiing ahead in this 'life' you've chosen, that presents a danger to your walk, your witness, and maybe even your life.

One of the biggest dangers in the securlar world for Christians is 'compromise' and back sliding. It is and always will be. The world does not yield to conscience; it justifies all that it does as what is right for them and no one else.

And do not think for one moment that you are exempt from it. satan will use your love for this life of singing to sift you as wheat and to destroy you. he's done it to others, why not you; afterall it's his arena, his turf, his playground in the world of entertainment.

Already he has fulfilled his role with you as the 'accuser of the brethren'. he is standing before the thone of God, perched and ready to point the finger at God, accusing you of what you've chosen to do .... further with your career.

It appears that you have a conviction in your spirit, and it is indeed there, for you are seeking confirmation from 'other' Christians, to sense if they think you are really doing something wrong.

Singing is not the sin. But the environment may be and the source. There may be 'spirits' around you that do not please God and after awhile, 'we' as Christians will tune them out, to give us peace in what we do. We become deaf to the voice of reason and guidance.

God understands your need for provision and He also understands the passion you have for the gift He has given you in singing. It's hard out there in the industry. And as sure as your skin is Black, you WILL compromise just to stay above water.

And it happens so supbtly. Tiny measures of compromise enter in to this life you've chosen, until you're right where satan wants you. he will have you dependent upon this venue for your livelihood and also for the love and admiration that it brings; the acceptance that comes from being talented. Trust me... I know. :yep:

The Path of Compromise ...

* Competing just to stay on top or let alone in the pool. How far will you go to compete or to be accepted above the new kid on the block who sings much better or has a new spin that you've never tried or mastered.

Look at the twins, Tia and Tamera Mowry. The TV show, The Game. Here we have a fully confessed Christian who delved into a character in total and complete oppostite of her witness as a Christian. Why? Was acting that important to her to compromise her faith in the Lord?

Each of us can name, one Chrisitian after another who has gone into the world ...with the claim of making 'THE' Difference only to end up behaving and living what they claimed they'd set a standard against.

Something is going on in your world that is not upon God's standard. It's 'there', you've seen it, you've been warned about it, you know it or you've been trying to quench the voice of it that beckons you.

Now a days, too many Christians are saying 'what's okay which in God's heart, it's not okay.

Compromise.

Whatever we compromise to get, we will ultimately lose. :yep:

There is a prayer that keeps me focused ...

Lead me not, into temptation, deliver 'us' from 'all' evil.

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I'm also beginning to understand something that you shared in your other thread about 'rules' and Christians' judging. :yep:
 
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Do you think that you are going to hell OP? I can't answer this question because it's not up to me to grant anyone salvation. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide on these things. :yep:
 
At this point in my life, I like to keep all of me focused on God and if there is anything that takes me away from it I get rid of it. In terms of you going to hell. I could never answer that only the Father in heaven determines that and for me to say anything about who is or who isn't is sin on me. That is judgement. We all have to have our own convictions about whatever we do in accordance to the word of God. God blessed you with a voice. use it according to his will and purpose, if you do you won't be able to hold the gates closed with the overflow. All that we do, we do (must) to glorify God and if singings is how you glorify God then sing on, but this must be in your heart and mind that that is why you sing. I don't listen to secular music of any kind. My own personal convictions was that it was glorifying the prince of darkness and most times it made me feel angry or made me think about sex or something that someone did that really bothered me. why have my heart filled with that when I can be praising God and seeing all his beauty and hearing it constantly keep my focused on God. So amen to spiritual music.
 
Oh gawd...ahem.

But onto the question itself...I'd be careful about asking other opinions on what merits hell and what doesn't. You'll get a variety of opinions and I don't want anyone's "untruths" to hurt you at all. Like others posted, most everyone works in a secular environment. Just do you and ask G-d directly what it is He wants you to do...skip everybody else. Thing is, if G-d gave you a talent and a desire...maybe it's He who's putting you in that position to use it. You don't have to live your life spewing out the gospel at every waking moment to every single passerby. What about quietly living out your faith? That speaks louder than anything. Just live your faith...I shy away from bible beaters/screamers/thumpers/judgers. You probably know what I mean lol. Just live righteously...and that might make some people cringe and some others find their freedom lol. I wish you well...I wish you Grammy's.
 
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Do I think one would go to hell because of this ? No! I think this is completely between you and God. Find out what he says about what your singing. God Bless Sis !
 
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