PERMANANT DYE ON NATURAL HAIR=NATURAL?

Mrs.TheBronx

Mrs.TheBronx

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Someone posed the question to me about Dye on natural hair. is your hair still natural? does it alter the texture in anyway?
 
I've heard some color alters texture. I've also heard that colored natural hair is called naptural within hair circles. But don't quote me. Can't tell you where I heard that so I might've imagine it all.
 
IMO, if your texture wasn't altered then yes you're still natural. I've heard similar to Nonie. It depends on who your talking to.
 
I have been involved in heated discussions on this topic. I will say this much, in my experience color has changed the texture of my hair but I wasn't running around saying I wasn't natural anymore. There are some people that feel that way however.

Rinses totally will not change your hair. Henna will change it temporarily. Semi permanent may not change it much and the same can be said for some permanents. It is when you end up having to lift your hair colro a great deal. With developers and other extremely harsh boosters. I had a triple process color when I was natural and it did change my hair texture a bit. After a year of protien treatments I could no longer see the difference. My hair does not straighten easily so that could just be my expreience.

If you see a change just be diligent about protien, which you should after color anyway. Protein will help some.
 
I have permanent color on my hair to color gray--I have since September. I still consider myself natural. Others might not, but I do.
 
I've seen heated discussion about this subject before. I guess it all depends on what people consider natural hair. To me heat damaged and loosening due to dyes is still natural hair. Its damaged natural hair, but natural nonetheless. I have a cousin who's never relaxed, but has her ends damaged due to dyes. Is she natural? I think so. I guess the answer will probably differ depending on who you ask.

I henna but because I do it so infrequently I don't have a texture change. I know people that henna to loosen the curl, but I think it looks really nice and the change is nothing drastic.
 
So it's safe to say some people feel that natural is more to do with natural hair texture as opposed to being chemically free? It seems to me it would be that you have your natural hair texture, but your hair is not totally natural because you don't have your natural hair color, but I suppose it really doesn't matter because every product we put in our hair isn't natural???:ohwell:Yeah I'm confused now.
 
i don't have any color in right now, but i like jet black and it didn't change my texture at all. i plan on coloring my hair some time next year.
 
WOW this is all very helpful information for people interested in coloring natural hair, what about rinses? do the alter the hair? i think not because isn';t it water based?
 
Chemical color has always loosened my texture slightly. Bleach loosens it even more. I figure the color is breaking some bonds in my hair is order to fit itself in, and those broken bonds mean that my hair just doesn't 'spring' and have the same shape/stability that it once had.

Henna weighs my hair down for a day or two, but then it returns to it's normal texture/shape.

I still considered myself natural, though. Artificial color, natural texture. For me, texture is the trump card.
 
JustKiya said:
Chemical color has always loosened my texture slightly. Bleach loosens it even more. I figure the color is breaking some bonds in my hair is order to fit itself in, and those broken bonds mean that my hair just doesn't 'spring' and have the same shape/stability that it once had.

Henna weighs my hair down for a day or two, but then it returns to it's normal texture/shape.

I still considered myself natural, though. Artificial color, natural texture. For me, texture is the trump card.
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So for you texture is the trump card. What if I felt the opposite and for me color was the trump card could I then claim to be natural because my color is natural? For the record, I do believe when people say they are natural they are refering to texture. I do consider natural hair still natural after coloring in one aspect.
 
JustKiya said:
Chemical color has always loosened my texture slightly. Bleach loosens it even more. I figure the color is breaking some bonds in my hair is order to fit itself in, and those broken bonds mean that my hair just doesn't 'spring' and have the same shape/stability that it once had.

Henna weighs my hair down for a day or two, but then it returns to it's normal texture/shape.

I still considered myself natural, though. Artificial color, natural texture. For me, texture is the trump card.
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Thanks!! i think i have come to the conclusion that that lighter u go, the more damange, but it is still natural hair. ex. if u press your hair alot, eventually it will become heat damaged and the texture will change some or alot. but its still natural, just naturally damaged i guess. what do u all think??
 
leona2025 said:
So for you texture is the trump card. What if I felt the opposite and for me color was the trump card could I then claim to be natural because my color is natural? For the record, I do believe when people say they are natural they are refering to texture. I do consider natural hair still natural after coloring in one aspect.
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You might have a lot of people giving you the side eye (including me) if you are a black woman talking about your hair is natural while sitting there with some Mizani on your roots, :lachen: but personally, I wouldn't try to argue with your (apparently) crazy butt. :lachen: I would note that clearly your definition of natural is a whole 180 from mine, and roll on.
 
JustKiya said:
You might have a lot of people giving you the side eye (including me) if you are a black woman talking about your hair is natural while sitting there with some Mizani on your roots, :lachen: but personally, I wouldn't try to argue with your (apparently) crazy butt. :lachen: I would note that clearly your definition of natural is a whole 180 from mine, and roll on.
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Yeah pretty much, the views are just different. nothing wrong with that.. is there really a right or wrong answer for this topic?
 
Mrs.TheBronx said:
Yeah pretty much, the views are just different. nothing wrong with that.. is there really a right or wrong answer for this topic?
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In my mind, yes. If your texture isn't permanently altered, you're natural. Do I really care if everyone agrees with my answer? No. Taint my hair. :ohwell:
 
I think people were saying you have virgin hair if theres no relaxer but you have a hair dye, and natural if there's nothing.....

And I remember someone or people saying when white women talk about going natural, their talking about their hair color....

Then people saying well some natural things can change your texture or color like henna and lemons...some hair products...are you still natural then

But IMO people are usually thinking about 2 big categories, relaxer in your hair, or no relaxer. With no relaxer meaning natural.

IMO if someone asks you if your are natural, and you have no relaxer but color in your hair, you should say yes you are, because they are talking about relaxers.

But if you wanted to get technical IMO then you could say not 100% natural if you wanted....
 
In my opinion, no. Once you put something that goes into the cortex of your hair and injects/removes pigments/proteins, you are not natural anymore.

However, many people say if you have your natural texture, then you are natural.

I personally think that people think this way because being natural has a lot of emotions tied into it a lot of the time. People WILL get offended if you say they are not natural even if they are walking around with platinum blonde hair :lachen:

Such is life. I'm not going to argue about it. I don't understand it, but I don't have to.
 
Imo, a person's hair is still natural. I know folks who disagree, but I'm not one to argue. I just see it as natural... with color. Whatev. I have heard of folks losing their natural texture as a result of color, but that must be some strong ish. The only thing that has changed my texture is a relaxer or a press and curl (temporarily). I know the Aveda hair color is 98% natural or something like that, so I wouldnt' worry about losing texture from that.
 
Neith said:
In my opinion, no. Once you put something that goes into the cortex of your hair and injects/removes pigments/proteins, you are not natural anymore.

However, many people say if you have your natural texture, then you are natural.

I personally think that people think this way because being natural has a lot of emotions tied into it a lot of the time. People WILL get offended if you say they are not natural even if they are walking around with platinum blonde hair :lachen:

Such is life. I'm not going to argue about it. I don't understand it, but I don't have to.
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I agree with u saying that there is an emotional attachment there. i guess i see it from both sides, i dont have a yes or no answer
So is it just a chemical thing, cause what about people who are natural but press their hair until it cannot revert. is that still natural even tho no dye or chemicals were used?
 
If you want to get technical about it, nothing we do to our hair is natural. I can do my hair in a twistout or braidout, but that's not natural because it does not grow out of my head that way.:lachen:
 
Wow I'm confused all over again LOL

To me virgin hair means the same thing - no hair dye, no chemicals, no relaxers, just berries and juices LOL

Natural to me equals no relaxers

I think people over analyze these things. I am a 37 yr old grandma and its bad enough my daughter made me a grandma so damn young, I ain't about to let my hair get covered in greys too! I will continue to henna until the people in India don't wanna sell me a bag for $2.99 at the corner store LOL I don't dye my hair because I've fried it with Miss Clairol. Otherwise I'd be at CVS every month buying my stash.
 
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