My discovery

[Aggie]

Hi Aggie!

I am currently using it and I love it! It is watery but does not get hard like Aphogee. I put it in a spray bottle, combed it through and went about my business for about 45 minutes (last 15 minutes, I put on a cap and sat under a bonnet- couldn't help myself) Followed up with a DC (u know the routine) and my hair felt substantially stronger.

You can do it either way (plastic cap, etc) as long as it is in your hair for the minimum amount of time. I would not put it in the same category as Aphogee or Emergencee'

HTH

Thank you so much sqzbly1908. This was very helpful.
OT : By the way, I see you are using Miznai BB Mild - How does your hair respond to it. Does it relax your hair pretty straight or no. I jsut bought it today to use at tehe end of this month and I don't know if I should add oils to it or not. I don't want my hair super bone straight, just mildly straight. How do you suggest I use it for that effect and how long should I leave it on my hair?

 

[Faith]

Thinking I was natural now and didn't need protein I stopped using it and found out that YUP, I do need it. I started using protein again yesterday. Today I have less breakage and shedding.

 

[sqzbly1908]

Thank you so much sqzbly1908. This was very helpful.
OT : By the way, I see you are using Miznai BB Mild - How does your hair respond to it. Does it relax your hair pretty straight or no. I jsut bought it today to use at tehe end of this month and I don't know if I should add oils to it or not. I don't want my hair super bone straight, just mildly straight. How do you suggest I use it for that effect and how long should I leave it on my hair?

You are so welcome!

With the MBB, I used it for the time allotted and had a very slight wave - not bone straight (did not want bone straight). I was so surprised when I first used it because my hair is so fine, as soon as any relaxer touches it I am bone straight. It left my hair incredibly soft and full of body. I have used it for my last 3 retouches and get the same results.

If you are an expert in self-relaxing, I would not add anything to it, if not (like myself) then I would add oils/conditioner for the interest of buying time. I can't really tell the density of your hair from your pic but if you don't want bone straight don't add anything to it, especially since this is your 1st time using it.

Since you have the US DT - I would use that as soon as you rinse the relaxer out and before neutralizing it.

How are you going to style ur hair afterwards?

 

[Aggie]

You are so welcome!

With the MBB, I used it for the time allotted and had a very slight wave - not bone straight (did not want bone straight). I was so surprised when I first used it because my hair is so fine, as soon as any relaxer touches it I am bone straight. It left my hair incredibly soft and full of body. I have used it for my last 3 retouches and get the same results.

If you are an expert in self-relaxing, I would not add anything to it, if not (like myself) then I would add oils/conditioner for the interest of buying time. I can't really tell the density of your hair from your pic but if you don't want bone straight don't add anything to it, especially since this is your 1st time using it.

Since you have the US DT - I would use that as soon as you rinse the relaxer out and before neutralizing it.
I do the bolded already with my Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor, but doing it now with my US DT is the plan moving forward, thanks.

How are you going to style ur hair afterwards?

First of all honey, thanks so much for your response, it was very helpful. As for how I iwll be fixing my hair, I know that I am due for a trim and that I will let my stylist do for me. I think I might consider letting her give me a wrap after the trim. I don't like thin whispy wraps either. I like my wraps to have a little body. My hair is pretty fine myself so I won't need it bone straight to get a nice wrapped look. I know too that about 2 weeks later I will be back in my quick weaves/wigs or even a weave, not too sure yet. I toyed with the idea of learning how to do pigtails with extensions as well as soon as I take these braids down. Wish me luck!

 

[sqzbly1908]

I can't wait friend, definitely keep me posted. I can tell that wrap will be gorgeous

2 weeks....

 

[Aggie]

I can't wait friend, definitely keep me posted. I can tell that wrap will be gorgeous

2 weeks....

Definitely!!! remember now, I am currently wearing braids and will most likely be taking them down in about 2 weeks, I will then wait 2 weeks and then relax it, so I'd say about the first week in February for sure, I should be doing my relaxer. I don't want to do them too early because I will going to see my BFF in NE next month for valentine's day and I want my hair to look as fresh as possible for him, ya know?

 

[sqzbly1908]

Definitely!!! remember now, I am currently wearing braids and will most likely be taking them down in about 2 weeks, I will then wait 2 weeks and then relax it, so I'd say about the first week in February for sure, I should be doing my relaxer. I don't want to do them too early because I will going to see my BFF in NE next month for valentine's day and I want my hair to look as fresh as possible for him, ya know?

Gotcha chica!:eyebrows2

That will be around the time when I will be doing my retouch too (Valentine's)

 

[Patricia]

This is DEFIANTLY a keeper! My hair is soft but strong and amazing thicker. I am going to sally's this weekend to look for a creamy reconstructor to use at each wash.

ETA: has anyone tried this one before:
http://www.sallybeauty.com/Keratin-Reconstructor/APHOGE8,default,pd.html

If so, how did it work for you?

tia,
tishee

GOOD TO HEAR! WHAT DID YOU USE?
I USED THAT PRODUCT BUT I CANT REMEMBER HOW I LIKED IT. I GET THAT ONE AND ANOTHER APHOGEE PRODUCT MIXED UP. SORRY

 

[Patricia]

Dude, I'm going to try the same thing for myself. I can't take it anymore! My hair is breaking off at different points, and I know I need protein too. So...should I eat protein or put it in my hair? Or both? I'll try it.

GOOD QUESTION. I USE A PROTIEN RECONSTRUCTOR OF SOME TYPE EVERYWEEK MIXED IN WITH MANE AND TAIL CONDITIONER. I'M SLOWLY REBUILDING MY HAIR FROM ALL THE DAMAGE THAT OCCURED FROM NOT USING PROTEIN . LOT OF LADIES HERE UP THEIR PROTEIN THEY EAT TOO! AYBE SOMEONE ELSE WILL CHIME IN.

 

[Patricia]

Tishee, I have both this old formula and the new formula for this exact treatment and they both work fantastic on my hair.

Dude, I'm going to try the same thing for myself. I can't take it anymore! My hair is breaking off at different points, and I know I need protein too. So...should I eat protein or put it in my hair? Or both? I'll try it.[/quote


You should try consuming proteins internally and put them on your hair in the form of reconstructors, protein poos, etc, but keep it all balanced, internally and externally.

Internally, you don't want to overdo it because it will wreak havoc on your kidneys and externally, you don't want to overdo it because it will do the reverse of what it's intended to do and that is break more over time. Try incorporating a little at a time to see how well your hair handles it, okay?

I meant to address this earlier, but forgot. Anyhoo, K-pak is meant for cumulative use, versus one hard protein punch. I have read on more than one occassion that after 5 min, k-pak stops working so you want to use it in 5 min increments. I think this is a good way to determine how much protein you need without going overboard(another 'use it till you don't need it' product). In addition, it makes it a good weekly treatment without spending a lot of time on your hair (which is always a good thing )

THIS INFORMATION IS GREAT! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU :bouncegre

 

[Patricia]

Not protein, polymers Sealing of the cuticle to protect from damage. Good product, made esp. for long hairs who need that extra something on their ends to protect from cuticle weathering.

O COOL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I NOW HAVE A EXCUSE TO BUY APHOGEE SHAMPOO. SOMETHING THAT REALLY HAVE PROTEIN.

 

[Patricia]

I found some Duo Tex Protein Conditioner in one of our BSS stores here in the Bahamas, woo hoo!!! I am so excited about this. NOw when I remove these braids, it's on, or.... maybe I can use while I'm still in my braids, hmmmm, I'll see.

ETA: Does anyone know if Duo Tex makes the hair hard like Aphogee 2 step hardcore protein treatment and also is it required to wear a plastic cap with it or no? I am asking because on the bottle it indicates that you should not massage or tangle hair while it's in for 10 minutes an dit doesn't mention a plastic cap at all. It also seems to be a moderate to high strength protein, am I correct?
The one good thing I noticed for sure is it's citric acid content which is great as an after-relaxer 5 minuute pH adjustment treatment.

I USED IT FULL STRENGTH WITH PLASTIC CAP. I LEFT IT ON FOR 10-15 MIN AND RINSED. I DIDN'T FOLLOW IT WITH ANYTHING. MY HAIR WAS SILKY SMOOTH
ARTEMIS HELPPPPPPP.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

So - Patricia - thanks again for this post...
To sum it up.. Naturals and relaxed ladies NEED protien in the regimen!!!!!

 

[Patricia]

Thinking I was natural now and didn't need protein I stopped using it and found out that YUP, I do need it. I started using protein again yesterday. Today I have less breakage and shedding.

GLAD YOU FIGURED IT OUT. YOUR HAIR IS GROWING VERY WELL. DON'T NEED ANY PROBLEMS

 

[Artemis]

I USED IT FULL STRENGTH WITH PLASTIC CAP. I LEFT IT ON FOR 10-15 MIN AND RINSED. I DIDN'T FOLLOW IT WITH ANYTHING. MY HAIR WAS SILKY SMOOTH
ARTEMIS HELPPPPPPP.

PM Gymfreak She is the Duo Tex expert.

 

[KLomax]

Yes,protein is your friend .....It tooks me months to figure this out!!! I use the Joico Kpak DPR followed by the hydrolizer every week.

 

[sqzbly1908]

I USED IT FULL STRENGTH WITH PLASTIC CAP. I LEFT IT ON FOR 10-15 MIN AND RINSED. I DIDN'T FOLLOW IT WITH ANYTHING. MY HAIR WAS SILKY SMOOTH
ARTEMIS HELPPPPPPP.

Hi Patricia - Please forgive me for dipping into your conversation I have used it without backing up with a moisturizing DC and did not have any ill effects. It is supposed to be a "little" moisturizing as well. You should be fine.When I DC after using is because I ...1- have time 2- personal preference 3- if I have not moisturized lately. If your hair is feeling dry and tangly(is that even a word) then I would follow up with a condish with some slip. But you should be cooler than the flipped side of a pillow

HTH

 

[Patricia]

Yes,protein is your friend .....It tooks me months to figure this out!!! I use the Joico Kpak DPR followed by the hydrolizer every week.

beautiful hair

 

[morehairplease]

GOOD TO HEAR! WHAT DID YOU USE?
I USED THAT PRODUCT BUT I CANT REMEMBER HOW I LIKED IT. I GET THAT ONE AND ANOTHER APHOGEE PRODUCT MIXED UP. SORRY

hey there sweetie,

Just noticed that I thanked you for your response but failed to answer your question....sorry about that. I used Colorful neutral protein filler without heat for an hour.

 

[africa]

Great Thread!

I need to step up my protein game too. I thought why in the heck is this 'My Discovery' thread so long? LOL. I am so glad I came in here. There is a wealth of helpful information in here. I am going to try the Joico K-Pak Reconstructer and hydrator this weekend.

 

[Aggie]

I just learned that the Abba hair care line has Tri-Molecular Proteins, ie, hydrolyzed human hair protein, in them and I will be ordering those instead of Joico since I'm concentrating on using more organic natural products. Abba hair products are all natural and organic, thank goodness I found something natural with these proteins in them for my hair.

 

[Patricia]

Great Thread!

I need to step up my protein game too. I thought why in the heck is this 'My Discovery' thread so long? LOL. I am so glad I came in here. There is a wealth of helpful information in here. I am going to try the Joico K-Pak Reconstructer and hydrator this weekend.

Oh yes the ladies here is so helpful. It would have been appropiate to call this thread "OUR DISCOVERY" cause it seems like we all have been through similiar problems with our hair care.

 

[Prose Princess]

Well, Patricia, I think I may have experienced my first protein overload from the Duo Tex Even with my amazing moisturizing conditioner mixture and an hour with heat my hair still came out hard and tangled. I left the Duo Tex on for the full ten minutes, so maybe I should have just rinsed it out immediately or left it on for about a minute. I'm sure I can get my hair back to normal before my relaxer on Friday with a few overnight DC treatments, but at least now I have a better idea of how much protein my hair can take. And I will definitely at least do a light (very light) protein treatment at the wash after my relaxer.

One good thing I can say about the Duo Tex though, is that it kind of straightened out my roots I think, because my wet hair looked about an inch longer than it did last time I washed it, and it felt heavier.

 

[Aggie]

Well, Patricia, I think I may have experienced my first protein overload from the Duo Tex Even with my amazing moisturizing conditioner mixture and an hour with heat my hair still came out hard and tangled. I left the Duo Tex on for the full ten minutes, so maybe I should have just rinsed it out immediately or left it on for about a minute. I'm sure I can get my hair back to normal before my relaxer on Friday with a few overnight DC treatments, but at least now I have a better idea of how much protein my hair can take. And I will definitely at least do a light (very light) protein treatment at the wash after my relaxer.

One good thing I can say about the Duo Tex though, is that it kind of straightened out my roots I think, because my wet hair looked about an inch longer than it did last time I washed it, and it felt heavier.

I would attribute that to the citric acid in the duo tex. It helps to give great slip.

 

[victorious]

I finally tried the Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor last night after washing with diluted shampoo, and I like it. It smelled so yummy. My hair was so soft afterwards that I didn't bother to dc. I have to get the big bottle from Sally's next week so I could use it weekly.

I'll try the hardcore Aphogee 2 step treatment again a week before relaxing in March and also DC with the ORS Replenishing Conditioner. I'll definitely use the Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor after rinsing the relaxer. I'll henna one week after relaxing.

 

[Patricia]

Well, Patricia, I think I may have experienced my first protein overload from the Duo Tex Even with my amazing moisturizing conditioner mixture and an hour with heat my hair still came out hard and tangled. I left the Duo Tex on for the full ten minutes, so maybe I should have just rinsed it out immediately or left it on for about a minute. I'm sure I can get my hair back to normal before my relaxer on Friday with a few overnight DC treatments, but at least now I have a better idea of how much protein my hair can take. And I will definitely at least do a light (very light) protein treatment at the wash after my relaxer.

One good thing I can say about the Duo Tex though, is that it kind of straightened out my roots I think, because my wet hair looked about an inch longer than it did last time I washed it, and it felt heavier.

dont really sound like a protein overload. when you have a protein overload you will have small hairs breaking off. you will be fine with a moisturizer for a couple days. what moisturizing conditioner did you use. maybe you can use it in your moisturizing conditioner with better results

 

[Patricia]

I finally tried the Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor last night after washing with diluted shampoo, and I like it. It smelled so yummy. My hair was so soft afterwards that I didn't bother to dc. I have to get the big bottle from Sally's next week so I could use it weekly.

I'll try the hardcore Aphogee 2 step treatment again a week before relaxing in March and also DC with the ORS Replenishing Conditioner. I'll definitely use the Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor after rinsing the relaxer. I'll henna one week after relaxing.

Glad to hear!!!

 

[Artemis]

Prose Princess, what moisturizing conditioner did you use?

 

[mahogany_horizons]

I AGREE WITH YOU LADIES REGARDING THE PROTEIN. There is no problems and issues with using protein as long as you monitor it carefully. I use silk elements treatment for damaged hair (contains a protein) for 15 minutes with a shower cap. I then deep condition with the silk elements moisturizing conditioner for about 2 hours (THIS STEP IS KEY!!) I went to a party last weekend, I d/c before with the protien, and I only got to deep condition for around an hour. When I took my hair down to wash it, it was soooo tangly! You really have to take the time and d/c until your hair is buttery soft. This may or may not include heat. And you may need to leave the moisture conditioner on for 2 to 3 hours....but my hair LOVES MILD to MEDIUM protein! I don't think I need it every week, but as i use it every other week, particularly because I am heavy handed, and douse so much moisture on my hair, I feel it working for me!

 

[Patricia]

I AGREE WITH YOU LADIES REGARDING THE PROTEIN. There is no problems and issues with using protein as long as you monitor it carefully. I use silk elements treatment for damaged hair (contains a protein) for 15 minutes with a shower cap. I then deep condition with the silk elements moisturizing conditioner for about 2 hours (THIS STEP IS KEY!!) I went to a party last weekend, I d/c before with the protien, and I only got to deep condition for around an hour. When I took my hair down to wash it, it was soooo tangly! You really have to take the time and d/c until your hair is buttery soft. This may or may not include heat. And you may need to leave the moisture conditioner on for 2 to 3 hours....but my hair LOVES MILD to MEDIUM protein! I don't think I need it every week, but as i use it every other week, particularly because I am heavy handed, and douse so much moisture on my hair, I feel it working for me!

It seems like you balance your protein out good. It feels good to finally know what your hair likes. I hear good things about the silk elements conditioner trying not to buy it