Micono...WHADAHECK???

[KiniKakes]

E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T POST!! No stones from me!

I agree with VWVIxxen.

Sistaslick, you spoke from the heart, and there was nothing derogatory or inflammatory about what you had to say. You didnt see a need to throw in any below the belt comments about "coochie cream" or whatever, but instead kept your points factual, direct, and sensitive. I always love hearing your contributions, as you are so well-learned and informed about hair overall. So thanks for that.

While I am one of those who do believe in the effectiveness of topical hair growth aids, I definitely do "hear" what you have to say, and I realize there is a great deal of validity to it. Regardless of whether or not a topical aid is helping to "speed up" growth for some folks, improper hair care in general (ie, excess heat, lack of moisture/protein, frequent combing/brushing, rough handling of the ends/lack of protective styles) will derail your growth and you ultimately won't be retaining that length.

So your points are all well-taken...... and no stones from me either.

 

[Blaque*Angel]

Hey SistaSlick,

I respect your post and I'm not offended in the slighest.
Everybody has there own views on certain issues.

OK, MTG was originally made for humans what do you make of that?Is it still wrong?!

What works for one doesn't neccesarily work for others.

Believe me I have learnt "real hair care" off this hair boards and others..
I have chosen to put something (MTG) into my regime to give me an additional growth boost,


I agree there should be people who have been using MTG and other growth aids longer than I have should be at bra strap or beyond....

 

[RabiaElaine]

I agree with VWVIxxen.

Sistaslick, you spoke from the heart, and there was nothing derogatory or inflammatory about what you had to say. You didnt see a need to throw in any below the belt comments about "coochie cream" or whatever, but instead kept your points factual, direct, and sensitive. I always love hearing your contributions, as you are so well-learned and informed about hair overall. So thanks for that.

While I am one of those who do believe in the effectiveness of topical hair growth aids, I definitely do "hear" what you have to say, and I realize there is a great deal of validity to it. Regardless of whether or not a topical aid is helping to "speed up" growth for some folks, improper hair care in general (ie, excess heat, lack of moisture/protein, frequent combing/brushing, rough handling of the ends/lack of protective styles) will derail your growth and you ultimately won't be retaining that length.

So your points are all well-taken...... and no stones from me either.

I second that!!! I always love hearing what you have to say Sistaslick!

 

[Poohbear]

About the growth, well...I haven't seen any proof of spectacular growth. The results I have seen show an average growth rate...one that I get without using the cream. Maybe I am missing something, though, because I do not read every thread on MN.

Exactly! The pics I've seen look like normal growth.

Plus, take a look at the feature of the months like adrienne0914, CaramelHonee, Zanna, Supergirl, Hairlove, and more and even other long haired ladies like Chicoro, mija, Carlie, Allandra and more who did not use any of that stuff to grow their hair to long lengths.

Plus, I haven't seen any one here achieve brastrap length or waist length hair with MTG nor this MN stuff.

@ sareca, yes, a product not working when it really is can be psychological too I suppose, but I saw for sure that my hair didn't grow any faster from Surge. It just grew at a normal rate.

 

[*Frisky*]

I don't know how long MTG has been around but it has only been over the last month or so that the MN thing has came to the light or back to the light for most of us so of course the majority of our hair would not be Brastrap YET....but I will be sure to take a pic when I do make it.

 

[HoneyDew]

I second that!!! I always love hearing what you have to say Sistaslick!

same here.

And SS, And I am one of those that actually did get lots of growth but lost it after bad haicare. I had to do an aggressive trim after about a month of using a blowdryer on a higher temp. and not only that I started using a comb attachment with it!!

I lost a lot of my hair from that trim. But, now even after a little over 2 weeks of almost no heat and deep conditioning (moisture focused), my hair seems thicker and healthier. It is amazing and makes me more content about my hair in general vs. obtaining length just for the heck of it.

I just recently started experimenting with growth aids and was addicted to the speed of growth, but I also recently decreased my use of them because the excessive hair growth has prevented me from being able to use that in-between time to recoup from my last touchup and give my hair the TLC that it needs.

I do want to prove that a person can care for their hair well and use growth aids to achieve hair goals. I just need some time to get the hair care part down solid first. Hopefully I will be one of the few that can show and prove.

 

[HoneyDew]

... majority of our hair would not be Brastrap YET....but I will be sure to take a pic when I do make it.

I agree.

 

[Poohbear]

I can assure you, that this is NOT the case over here And I've seen people who speak against the use of growth aids being referred to as "haters"-- and that seriously offends me. I encourage everyone who's reaching for hair goals regardless of the methods they use to get there. I just happen to not be a proponent of "growth aids." I posted this on another site-- but might as well stick it here too.

I don't try to knock anyone's hair experiments, goals and progress-- so if people can see results with these products then go for it. But for me personally (note the word personally ), I'm not convinced. I watch the threads on all of the sites as they crop up -- but for me, I have never felt compelled to act on any of these products. Some of these bandwagons have been trucking for so long you'd think there would be waistlengthers and brastrappers popping up all over the place. I'm not really seeing anyone getting to the any of the hair milestones any faster than the folks who are simply going about it the good old fashioned way, with simple good hair care. At 1 inch a month--12 inches a year . . . (nearly double the genetic average growth rate for any human being in tip top health) I'd just expect to see a few more documented success stories over the long term. You see a few stories here and there, but the growth/thickness is the same growth that you would have gotten by simply practicing healthy hair care in the first place. I'm not saying that no one is seeing growth or people are dilusional-- but as long as you are alive your hair is going to grow and thicken up. Especially if other areas of your regimen are on point.

I still think that many people don't realize how long an inch or two of hair actually is. In hair and added length terms, that is pretty long. I love ya'll and believe much of what you say -- but I am a visual person. If you've been posting about getting 1 inch per month for the last 6-8 months... I want to see a pic with you with hair 6-8 inches longer at some point along the way. Now of course pics are not a requirement, but they do tremendously help substantiate the claims and offer a bit of validity. So far, I just have not seen it. Then occasionally there is a post about the growth being so much that the aid was discontinued. Or a scissor happy stylist cutting away all the progress The moment I see a person with 1-2inch per month show up with 9-12 inches (making room for trims to be fair) at the end of a year-- I will shut my mouth of dissent forever. I promise.

I just think that too much emphasis is being placed on the scalp. The scalp is doing its job-- we are usually the ones falling short. I like to think that many of us give credit to topical growth aids that our own body and good hair care are due. The hair is constantly, constantly growing-- in lulls and in spurts in everyone. I believe in the power of a healthy body and I don't think these things are giving us growth we wouldn't have gotten on our own. (I'm an optimist). I don't use any growth aids and my hair goes through periods of great growth and slower periods. And it really gets me when newbies show up with a newly created regimens w/ mtg or something else in it before they have any real moisturizers. I just see alot of people looking for get growth quick schemes w/o ever really trying to figure out what their hair really needs to be taken care of. I came to the boards to get away from that kind of thinking-- I wanted to learn healthy hair care.



I try to stay out of threads like these because I know alot of people on both sides have emotions tied up in their posts. I hope no one is offended by anthing I posted-- because that is definitely not my intention at all. *prepares for stoning*

BRAVO! BRAVO!

Very well said, Sistaslick! I couldn't have said it better!

 

[Poohbear]

I don't know how long MTG has been around but it has only been over the last month or so that the MN thing has came to the light or back to the light for most of us so of course the majority of our hair would not be Brastrap YET....but I will be sure to take a pic when I do make it.

When I said that, I was referring to MTG, Stinky Challenge, Surge, and Lenzi's Request. I'm not sure how old this Miconazole Nitrate thing has been going.

 

[FlyyGyrl]

I do believe that MN will lead to faster growth for some. Why? Because fungus is everywhere. It doesn't just magically appear when you forget to refrigerate your food, it simply accumulates when it finds a good environment. So yes you do have fungus on your scalp. We all have fungus on our scalps. So slow growers might just have an excess of fungus on the scalp to the point that it interferes with growth.

But sistaslick raises some good points. The original monistat thread was years ago, and the thread that really put it out there is also almost a year old. It was a pretty long thread and the backlash was worse than the original MTG thread. So I know there are some closet users out there. We should have some people at brastrap and waistlength. I do think that some of the original supporters got run off the board though. I wish they would come back and share their experiences.

 

[HoneyDew]

When I said that, I was referring to MTG, Stinky Challenge, Surge, and Lenzi's Request. I'm not sure how old this Miconazole Nitrate thing has been going.

You are right - I never heard much about Lenzi's request and I NEVER heard about Surge except that people use it as a detangler. I didn't know about a stinky challenge.

But, yeah I was always curious about those updates, if any.

But, I have seen photos of those with success from MTG, it just was not my style.

I dis get a faster growth rate from MN, but it has not been long enough to show long term effects or if the rate continues.

Anyway if some people don't go for growths aids, they just don't.

I totally understand that and honestly, I think it is less stressful to NOT deal with that extra step of applying the product.

But, if someone is having a problem or having some hair loss, growth aids may be beneficial for them.

 

[Zeal]

Close!

I'm not saying that you see hair growth and it's not growing...

When I say it's a psychological thing, I'm saying that when you notice growth, you think its growing faster than before when it's really not growing any faster.

Of course your hair grows regardless, but not at a faster rate from a topical product applied to the scalp. Growth comes from within.

Ummm. I really did not read pass this particular post. Therefore, I do not know if anyone responded. But it does sound like you are telling people they don't know their growth rate or an improvement.

My Dad (rest his soul) had a bald spot in his hair for a while. This is when I was a kid. He mixed Castor Oil and Tincture of iodine. Put it on the spot, and his hair grew. We all know that the hair follicles are inside of the head. However, if the follicles are clogged, the hair does not get through. When you scalp is stimulated. (external) It promotes growth.

It is like if you were growing a flower in a glass jar and had a glass lid on top. If you continue to water the flower it will grow but you will not see the effects untill you move the glass. It is a combination of things. Yes people's hair grow at different time frames, but nothing is impossible.

It is possible that the MN is promoting growth.

 

[ChocoKitty]

Hi ladies. I have questions and observations. I have thinning in the crown of my head, a little on the sides. My mom and sister have a full head of hair, no thinning. My mom is 65. So I have been researching. Stress, nutrition, inherited traits and so forth. Well, I got to thinking about my dog. Certain times of the year he gets what they call hot patches. His hair falls out. I use a cream for the itching the hair grows back in. Hmmmm? So I researched "hot patches." Well it is called demodex. Caused by mites. Mites are on us all the time but SOMETIMES in people and animals their is an abundance of them. Their secretions and carcuses clog hair follicles which cause rashes, bumps and in some cases hair follicles to fall out. I'm saying all of this to say, do you guys think that the miconozale may kill some of the mites making your scalp a healthier environmment for new follicles and old follicles to prosper in???? Just a thought. I am at a loss and have not tried the miconozale yet but it is looking more and more tempting. The research also says that tea tree oil, emu oil, neem oil and several other things help also. Including the chemical used for dog mange. A little food for thought. Let me know what you think.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Sparker65]

You are right - I never heard much about Lenzi's request and I NEVER heard about Surge except that people use it as a detangler. I didn't know about a stinky challenge.

But, yeah I was always curious about those updates, if any.

But, I have seen photos of those with success from MTG, it just was not my style.

I dis get a faster growth rate from MN, but it has not been long enough to show long term effects or if the rate continues.

Anyway if some people don't go for growths aids, they just don't.

I totally understand that and honestly, I think it is less stressful to NOT deal with that extra step of applying the product.

But, if someone is having a problem or having some hair loss, growth aids may be beneficial for them.

This was the case for me. When I joined this board, I purchased MTG because of the growth some ladies were getting. I did not gain much growth, only thickness. My hair is very short in the nape area and thin around the temples and edges. I started using MN off and on in March and noticed my edges were filling in and my nape was getting longer. I started using it consistantly about 4 weeks ago and my nape area and edges have grown. I tried MTG, moisturizers, jojoba oil, rosemary oil but none of these helped. I can now braid my nape area when a few weeks ago I could barely grab enough with my fingers. The only thing I changed in my hair care regimen is decreasing my weeking washes. I wash once a week. When I first read the threads about MN I thought it sounded bizarre but I figured I would try it out in my thinning and difficult to grow areas to see what happened. I think it is working for me.

 

[*Frisky*]

I do believe that MN will lead to faster growth for some. Why? Because fungus is everywhere. It doesn't just magically appear when you forget to refrigerate your food, it simply accumulates when it finds a good environment. So yes you do have fungus on your scalp. We all have fungus on our scalps. So slow growers might just have an excess of fungus on the scalp to the point that it interferes with growth.

But sistaslick raises some good points. The original monistat thread was years ago, and the thread that really put it out there is also almost a year old. It was a pretty long thread and the backlash was worse than the original MTG thread. So I know there are some closet users out there. We should have some people at brastrap and waistlength. I do think that some of the original supporters got run off the board though. I wish they would come back and share their experiences.

Was it that serious? A difference of opinion will never run me off. Hopefully no one else on the board now would either...

 

[Keen]

Yeah see Im not using that stuff,
To each its own, but I dont believe that its just th MTG or just the Monistat or Neosporin or whatever..

Its a combination of things, If you use MTG and still use heat everyday youre not going to have the same results as someone who used MTG and decides to use no heat in conjunction. I mean I have seen people achieve great hair growth just by not using heat period.

But although its interesting to see all the progress some have made with these products.. I cant get with it.

Growth rate and amount of length retained are two different issues. Someone using heat regularly could get as much growth as a person who doesn't use heat. How much length you are retaining once you get the growth depend on how you care for your strands. IMO

 

[*Frisky*]

Growth rate and amount of length retained are two different issues. Someone using heat regularly could get as much growth as a person who doesn't use heat. How much length you are retaining once you get the growth depend on how you care for your strands. IMO

I was just thinking that using heat doesn't have anything to do with the actual growth of your hair...the retainment and damage is where the heat comes in.

 

[MizaniMami]

I second that!!! I always love hearing what you have to say Sistaslick!

I third what she says. Every time I see Sista's name in a post I hurry and read. Excellent point of view!

 

[Sistaslick]

I third what she says. Every time I see Sista's name in a post I hurry and read. Excellent point of view!

awwwwwww

 

[determine3]

All I know is I have personally witnessed the effect of growth aids working for someone other than myself. I've said this before..(so forgive me for sounding like a broken record ) my mom's friend is growing hair in major bald patches that she has had for years from MTG! I admit the growth is nothing to write an article about BUT for her it is. She has been to doctors, specialists and has spend loads of $$$ trying to find something to help her grow her hair. With MTG, she started to see growth very quickly! I actually forgot about her until my mom called me on the weekend to ask where I bought "the hair stuff" because another friend who was visiting from out of town saw the results the first friend got (I know, this sounds kinda dizzy) and wanted to buy a bottle for her sister who is also balding. The last time I saw this lady's hair it looked like Chili's baby hur in the front! My mom says it has grown in more since but I haven't seen it yet. From clean (I mean MR. CLEAN BALD in these patches)to baby hair is enough proof for me. But this is my personal observation. I know showing pics would be proof but I honestly don't have any! I don't think I would even post them if I did.. you guys are just going to have to trust me on this one.

 

[Mahalialee4]

This is what I believe and am uncertain if this has been stressed as much as the unbelief.
1.Belief and unbelief are both choices. I believe what I see, but I also am encouraged to believe from the statements of others etc. The harder time you have had seeing any growth or length, the more difficult it is to believe. When I was at neck length, I did not expect anything beyond shoulder length ever. Two of the major reasons, I had never tried growing out my hair before and the other, I did not have a company of peers to share their struggles and successes that were black women of color. Once this occurred I was inspired and challenged and have stayed with it. I also used a lot of "unheard of approaches and weird concoctions to overcome severe damage, breakage, thinness, and non growth. I would never have believed the turn around that some of those things created for me. The secret was, there were some ingredients in each of those things that my hair or scalp needed at the time....marine ingredients....vit. C content....fatty acids....sulphur......protein....moisture. Combined with change in hair practices it made a huge difference. Just the changes in hair handling alone...without those ingredients, would not have given me the same gains and results. I would just have been combing dry brittle hair from the tips to the roots....washing hair that continued to get drier and drier, due to lack of emollients to coat the hair shaft and sulphur and protein to strenghten the bonds. There is a chemical breakdown that occurs in foods otherwise it would be of no benefit to use face masques, body wraps etc.
2. MN< MTG etc... I believe provide a missing ingredient (s) needed by some individuals to reach their maximum potential. If mites, yeast or blocked follicles are hindering growth then these things work. Sulphur is the main component in a variety of forms in some of these products...sulphur cleanses, debrides, heals, and removes blockages...that is one reason it is so effective. That is why they create sulphur soaps. Pine Tar, is a scalp stimulant, it deep cleanses the scalp and removes impurities, and like sulphur provides a very clean invironment for hair growth. That is what "funguside products do. Back in the day, great grandmas used sulphur, pinetar, glovers mange etc. because it was not de rigeur to use a lot of water, not always available and every little bit of bar soap counted till the next batch....but these things kept their scalps clean from mites, lice, scurf, smelly scalps and dirty scalps and fungus!!!!. Their hair GREW without 3x weekly washes and store bought deep conditioners or shampoos for that matter....because they used the very things that some are really disturbed and worried about., they used food products to care for their hair....and veterinarian (horse doctor) liniments that were on the farm...to cure and prevent scalp ailments. It is like Solomon said: "There is nothing new under the sun!" Check out the Vintage Hair Care Threads and see what the elders did for their hair. Our hair is composed of a large percentage of sulphur naturally, the same as protein...often we are putting back what HAS BEEN LEACHED OUT OF OUR SKIN AND SCALPS with relaxers, colors, bleaches, poor hygiene, not drinking enough water, a damaged ph balance....the salt and sugar bonds, vitamins and minerals. Perhaps a hair analysis would reveal a lot before and after as well. My point is we have not been trying out stuff that wasn't already old news!!!!JUST MY OPINION bonjour

 

[punchinella]

This is what I believe and am uncertain if this has been stressed as much as the unbelief.
1.Belief and unbelief are both choices. I believe what I see, but I also am encouraged to believe from the statements of others etc. The harder time you have had seeing any growth or length, the more difficult it is to believe. When I was at neck length, I did not expect anything beyond shoulder length ever. Two of the major reasons, I had never tried growing out my hair before and the other, I did not have a company of peers to share their struggles and successes that were black women of color. Once this occurred I was inspired and challenged and have stayed with it. I also used a lot of "unheard of approaches and weird concoctions to overcome severe damage, breakage, thinness, and non growth. I would never have believed the turn around that some of those things created for me. The secret was, there were some ingredients in each of those things that my hair or scalp needed at the time....marine ingredients....vit. C content....fatty acids....sulphur......protein....moisture. Combined with change in hair practices it made a huge difference. Just the changes in hair handling alone...without those ingredients, would not have given me the same gains and results. I would just have been combing dry brittle hair from the tips to the roots....washing hair that continued to get drier and drier, due to lack of emollients to coat the hair shaft and sulphur and protein to strenghten the bonds. There is a chemical breakdown that occurs in foods otherwise it would be of no benefit to use face masques, body wraps etc.
2. MN< MTG etc... I believe provide a missing ingredient (s) needed by some individuals to reach their maximum potential. If mites, yeast or blocked follicles are hindering growth then these things work. Sulphur is the main component in a variety of forms in some of these products...sulphur cleanses, debrides, heals, and removes blockages...that is one reason it is so effective. That is why they create sulphur soaps. Pine Tar, is a scalp stimulant, it deep cleanses the scalp and removes impurities, and like sulphur provides a very clean invironment for hair growth. That is what "funguside products do. Back in the day, great grandmas used sulphur, pinetar, glovers mange etc. because it was not de rigeur to use a lot of water, not always available and every little bit of bar soap counted till the next batch....but these things kept their scalps clean from mites, lice, scurf, smelly scalps and dirty scalps and fungus!!!!. Their hair GREW without 3x weekly washes and store bought deep conditioners or shampoos for that matter....because they used the very things that some are really disturbed and worried about., they used food products to care for their hair....and veterinarian (horse doctor) liniments that were on the farm...to cure and prevent scalp ailments. It is like Solomon said: "There is nothing new under the sun!" Check out the Vintage Hair Care Threads and see what the elders did for their hair. Our hair is composed of a large percentage of sulphur naturally, the same as protein...often we are putting back what HAS BEEN LEACHED OUT OF OUR SKIN AND SCALPS with relaxers, colors, bleaches, poor hygiene, not drinking enough water, a damaged ph balance....the salt and sugar bonds, vitamins and minerals. Perhaps a hair analysis would reveal a lot before and after as well. My point is we have not been trying out stuff that wasn't already old news!!!!JUST MY OPINION bonjour

Yeah what she said and don't forget the lye soap