Mary Mary at the BET Awards

Thanks momi... this is an awesome. Blaz, I'll copy and paste it, it enlightened me too. :yep:

This article is quite recent....

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Upholding The Light Of Jesus In A Dark World

Friday, June 26, 2009

Hip-Hop, Idolatry & The Church Pt. 8


What Happens When Gospel Pays Tribute To The World? (Con’t)



In Hip-Hop, Idolatry & The Church Part 7 we left off with the story of Hezekiah and Sennacherib (705-681 BC) as found in 2 Kings 18:13-16. During that seige Hezekiah, (approximately 39 years old) unfortunately delivered everything in God’s house, that was of value, all the gold and silver, all the instruments used in sacrifice, and sent them as tribute to Sennacherib hoping to appease him.

After doing all of that, Sennacherib (through his messengers and generals Tartan, Rabsaris, and Rabshakeh) challenged the belief system of the Jews by telling them that the God they believed and the leaders that they trusted were lieing to them, and that it was impossible to be delivered from the Assryian King. (2 Kings 18:28-36).

A second time Sennacherib sent word from Libnah saying that no god could keep Judah safe and out of his hands. (2 Kings 19:10-14) Even after receiving this tribute Sennacherib was more angry, upset and determined than ever before to destroy Judah and claiming victory over God.


We noted that $288,000,000 (which was the equivalent value of the gold and silver taken from Israel and given to Assryiah ) couldn’t convince or appease Sennacherib and his Assryian army to leave Israel alone. What Hezekiah didn’t understand was that Sennacherib, like his predecessor Shalamaneesar didn’t want the money.

What he wanted was the glory. The glory of God and the total rule and authority over God’s people. From this position Sennacherib sought to claim sole authority over the destiny of God’s people.


The archaeological discovery of the Tell el Amarna letters confirm the Assryian king’s recounting of the events. The following phrase was written regarding the seige of Jerusalem:



"He himself (Hezekiah) I have shut up like a caged bird within Jerusalem, his royal city."
Yes, the people of God actually gave what belonged to God to the devil himself. Hezekiah made several mistakes to get into this situation. Not the least of which was his failure to listen to and follow the advice of the prophet (Isaiah 39:5-8) who was sent from God to instruct Judah on what it needed to do to be free from tyranny.


What Happens When The Ungodly Are Given Riches That Belong To God?


I believe that understanding the story of Sennacherib’s demand is an essential part to examining the condition of the modern gospel music industry in general. In this segment, I wish to look at what has become one of the industry’s most popular artists and discover how the church is still being asked to give what belongs to God to the devil.

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The group called Mary Mary took the "gospel" stage by storm with their debut album "Thankful" in 2000. Currently Mary Mary has produced a CD called ‘The Sound’, and after reviewing it and being chilled to my spiritual core, I can honestly say that it is one of the most theologically challenged and imbalanced CD’s that I’ve heard in recent times that proports to be gospel.




The problem is that Mary Mary (sisters Tina ‘I can’t see you singin’ outside the church’ Atkins-Campbell & Erica Atkins-Campbell) have decided, with the help of Erica’s husband, Warryn ‘Baby Dub’ Campbell, to introduce a style of music targeted particularly to youth and the hip-hop generation. Their music is popular in both secular and gospel music circles. Secular folk have long played Mary Mary songs at parties, clubs, skating rinks and all. The music is set to BUMP and PUMP the ride right along side of its secular competitors.


To show their mixture with the world, on this new CD, a rift on the song ‘Get Up’ is simply a take off of the late Michael Jackson’s "Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough". Borrowing from the world is not uncommon in the modern gospel music circles. It was their last CD entitled "Mary Mary" which presented the song "Want Ads" with reworked lyrics retitling it as "Heaven". Although there is no acknowledgement of borrowing on this CD, it’s obvious with a quick listen that you’ve heard this somewhere before. What is confusing is that every now and then you’ll find a melodically worshipful song such as "I Worship You" (also "Yesterday" off of their previous CD).


The group has obtained 1 Platinum (over 1 million copies sold) and 2 Gold albums (over 500,000 units sold). They are the winner of 6 Stellar Awards, 1 NAACP Image Award, 2 MOBO Awards, 2 Lady Of Soul Awards, 2 Grammy Awards, 7 Dove Awards, and 1 American Music Award. Their crossover appeal is orchestrated by it’s producer Warryn ‘Baby Dub’ Campbell.

This is ‘Baby Dub’s’ mission:


"Right now I know God has placed a calling on my life, through my music to touch people. Right now I'm not a preacher but I realize there's a message, especially when doing Gospel. There's a certain standard that He's set. Right now my ministry is to make hits. That's my ministry! To make as many hits as possible, so that in the future people will respect me that when I'm ready to put my own record company together, I'll have people's respect to let me do what I do."
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The group called Mary Mary took the "gospel" stage by storm with their debut album "Thankful" in 2000. Currently Mary Mary has produced a CD called ‘The Sound’, and after reviewing it and being chilled to my spiritual core, I can honestly say that it is one of the most theologically challenged and imbalanced CD’s that I’ve heard in recent times that proports to be gospel.




The problem is that Mary Mary (sisters Tina ‘I can’t see you singin’ outside the church’ Atkins-Campbell & Erica Atkins-Campbell) have decided, with the help of Erica’s husband, Warryn ‘Baby Dub’ Campbell, to introduce a style of music targeted particularly to youth and the hip-hop generation. Their music is popular in both secular and gospel music circles. Secular folk have long played Mary Mary songs at parties, clubs, skating rinks and all. The music is set to BUMP and PUMP the ride right along side of its secular competitors.


To show their mixture with the world, on this new CD, a rift on the song ‘Get Up’ is simply a take off of the late Michael Jackson’s "Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough". Borrowing from the world is not uncommon in the modern gospel music circles. It was their last CD entitled "Mary Mary" which presented the song "Want Ads" with reworked lyrics retitling it as "Heaven". Although there is no acknowledgement of borrowing on this CD, it’s obvious with a quick listen that you’ve heard this somewhere before. What is confusing is that every now and then you’ll find a melodically worshipful song such as "I Worship You" (also "Yesterday" off of their previous CD).


The group has obtained 1 Platinum (over 1 million copies sold) and 2 Gold albums (over 500,000 units sold). They are the winner of 6 Stellar Awards, 1 NAACP Image Award, 2 MOBO Awards, 2 Lady Of Soul Awards, 2 Grammy Awards, 7 Dove Awards, and 1 American Music Award. Their crossover appeal is orchestrated by it’s producer Warryn ‘Baby Dub’ Campbell.

This is ‘Baby Dub’s’ mission:


"Right now I know God has placed a calling on my life, through my music to touch people. Right now I'm not a preacher but I realize there's a message, especially when doing Gospel. There's a certain standard that He's set. Right now my ministry is to make hits. That's my ministry! To make as many hits as possible, so that in the future people will respect me that when I'm ready to put my own record company together, I'll have people's respect to let me do what I do."
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What I wanted to point out is the way that Mary Mary was dressed on their 2000 CD cover. They are wearing outfits that could be considered "questionable" in some christian circles here also. What is affecting this group now is that they have more body and continue to wear the same style of clothing. What a size 2 can wear and look cute in can have totally different look on a curvey 10 or 12.
 
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Mary Mary Producer Warryn ‘Baby Dub’ Campbell (who’s ministry is to make hits) husband of Erica Campbell, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EOn3tOar3ww/SkUnw85MeZI/AAAAAAAAA7k/A1ryFVndKWQ/s1600-h/missy+elliott.bmpreceived his big break was from John Platt at EMI records who offered him a unique publishing deal that afforded him no production deadlines or quotas. ‘Baby Dub’ is in no wise exclusive to gospel or gospel music. He has produced music for hardcore gangsta rappers Tupac and DJ.

Quick early on in his career. Other of his clients include, Brandy, Kanye West, Alicia Keys, Xzibit, Mos Def,

Missy "I Am A Lesbian" Elliott, (The same one who has sung an appeared with Kiki Sheard)














Mario, Shanice, Dru Hill, Musiq Soulchild.

Some of his secular hits include "When I See You Smile" ~ Shanice and "Angel" ~ Dru Hill.

‘Baby Dub" was raised a preachers son. One would rightly ask the question, how did he come to write and produce secular music? Well, this is his story of how this came to be:
  • "At first I was one of those cats that said 'I'm never going to play a secular music.' [Because] my dad's a preacher, I grew up thinking it was bad until he sat me down one day and explained to me. I guess he heard me saying this, and he said 'Look you're gifted and God has given you this skill. You use what He's given you as a living. You like to do music. You can do secular music. Just don't get your occupation mixed up with your salvation.' " Warryn "Baby Dub" Campbell, by Melanie Clark Gospel Flava Online 2000
"do secular music, just don’t get your occupation mixed up with your salvation" Is that even possible???Is that the word from a gospel minister? Moreover, is it a WORD from the Lord???
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Moral Neutrality



One is right to claim that Christians are needed in almost every occupation in order to bring change and proliferate the gospel of Jesus Christ. However, it should be noted that there are certain industries that are not morally neutral and that require certain values and beliefs to be relinquished before work can be done. For instance, prostitution is an age old profession. In some places it is even a legal profession. However, in order to be a prostitute one has to relinquish and rid themselves of values against adultery and fornication. Therefore prostitution IS NOT morally neutral. Similar to most occupations within the "sex industry" whether legal or not, there is usually a redefinition of moral values and those values are not usually based on the bible and the absolute truth of God’s word. There are other occupations that present the same dichotomy of circumstances and one must evaluate the moral neutrality of each occupation before one engages.


This can be a complicated issue for many, and the entertainment industry certainly doesn't have a lock on moral neutrality and exclusivity, but we should remember Paul’s teachings along these lines…"all things are lawful, but not expedient" (1 Cor. 10:23). There are secular occupations and relationships that do not offer the "expediency" of Christ or deliver benefits to the Kingdom of God.


Secular music is one of those industries as it is NOT morally neutral. What makes it worse is that modern gospel music has followed the same path by allowing the secular industry to control it. Wendell Mosley at Charismatic Tunes has defined and laid out a compelling case as to why one should not be involved within the gospel music "industry" as we know it in America. (We will discuss this in greater detail in a future post)


One should ask, why one of the most popular "gospel’ music groups consistently features secular artists?

As previously stated, the current Mary Mary project is no different than their first in that respect. Their first project featured a crossover rapper named BB Jay. Well, who is it this time?
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Giving The Gold & Silver To The World


This time it’s David "Let Me See Ya Panties On The Floor" Banner.

Known in the secular world as one of the most profane of profane rappers, David Banner’s material could only possibly be apropos for adult secular XXX entertainment. He is so profane that the lyrics of his song ‘A Girl’ from his 2008 release "Greatest Story Ever Told" can’t even be reproduced on this site. (Or any other that has any sense of values)






I had many questions as I reviewed this release (as you can tell). When I came across the song called Superfriend (feat. David Banner) (# 4 on the CD), and after a little research and talks with some of my unsaved family members who knew more about this rapper, I wondered how in the world did a Christian EVER come across David Banner and his music in any form, and how would that Christian, DARE think to include and present such a profane individual to the church.

Further, how could a Christian feel that this man, who is arguably the nastiest rapper on earth, would render anything that would be honorific to God or edifying to his people?

In short, as we will see, to introduce this rapper to the church intertwined within gospel music is the equivalent of serving vomit to your mother, your pastor and the entire church for Sunday afternoon dinner. That is an APT description.



What ‘Gospel Music’ Has Been Reduced To:

Aside from the fact that David Banner has no respect for God, and an utter disrespect for God’s church and ministers, he also displays a total objectification and degradation of women in his songs. Here are a few lyrics to one of his most popular secular pieces from his 2008 CD ‘The Greatest Story Ever Told’ the song is called 9MM/Speaker:

I Got A 9 Mm
Ready To Go Off Any Minute
So You Feel It
Because Of A Law I Had To Conseal It
If You (Explicative) Around You Gon Make Me Reveal It

If I Got 9 Slugs, 9 Bullets Gon Fly
If I Got A Red Beam, 9 People Gon Die
9 Momma's Gon Cry, 9 Spirits In The Sky
9 Preachers Preachin, 9 Sermons Tellin 9 Lies
Cause Each And Every One Of Yall 9 (Explicative) Wasn't

(Explicative)

I Would Of Rather Kept The 9 Lugers In The Ruger Clips
The Index Finga Slip I Let The 9 Spit
I Lick Em All Like 18 (Descriptive Explicative) On 9 Chicks
Im A Suicide Risk, 9 Slits On Each Wrist
If I Died 9 Times, The Next Go Arounds A (Explicative)
And If I Come Back I Throw 99 Soul

(~~~Last Complete Line Deleted Due To Profanity~~~)

Now, thankfully that's not a gospel song but that’s what David Banner does and that’s who he consistently is. Death and destruction (especially of others) is something that he brags about. Notice, that his intent is to kill even if it’s himself and he knows the preacher’s message at the funeral of his slain is nothing but lies. As you can see from these lyrics (which he wrote) The BOY GOT ISSUES!!!



The Crossover That Will Break Your Ankles

If that was David Banner of secularism, I’d simply say he’s sick, and needs to get saved, get some psychological counciling and get with someone who can guide him to and through the TRUTH of God’s word. I’d also assume that he certainly would have no influence in gospel music, and no presentation before young people that we are delivering the council of the Lord to.

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But to my surprise, not only did I find him on a gospel CD, but I also found the SAME concept and disdain for God, women and the church within his rap on Mary Mary’s "gospel song" Superfriend. Here are a few of the lyrics:

Mary Mary ~ Superfriend

A superfriend, a superfriend
Yes sir, I got me one of them
A superfriend, a superfriend
I got me a superfriend



Stop there for a minute. Is this honoriffic of God or somebody you know around the way? "I got me one of them" Obviously this CAN’T be a song about the Lord. How can you "get you one of them?" Who is this Superfriend??? Maybe David will reveal the nature of that Superfriend to us. Here we go:


David Banner’s Superfreind rap:

Lord, I'm so weak and scared to run
What have I done to deserve a life like this?
The devil's scared to fight us in the light
He hides in the midst of religion
But I know that my God is listening there for me
There's a greater mission




OK, let me interrupt for a minute. The devil hides in the midst of religion? But God is listening to him because he has a "greater mission"???

What mission could Mr. Banner have? We know that Baby Dub’s mission is to "make hits" so he can be respected…What is David Banner’s mission??? Let’s look further:


You're no girl, you're no man, but a plan for greater peace
I'll fight for the light until my flesh falls deceased
I'm fighting the devil, fighting police
And in the church, Lord I'm looked at as Satan
'Cause in my music I curse




Now, David affirms "unisexuality" by declaring a unigender as simply a "plan for greater peace".

This is a secret encouragement for the homosexual agenda and same sex union. Yep! Right in the middle of a gospel song.

Before you criticize me for seeing it, and speaking about it, tell me what you think he means…I wanna hear that. Don’t give me that he was indicating that there is neither male nor female in Christremember this song only sparingly mentions Christ and certainly doesn’t mention scripture in almost any sense.

Further, David admits his fight with the devil (white man) and the police (authority) and acknowledges that "his mission" currently encourages him to be as profane as possible. In fact the church doesn’t really understand him.

Next verse:



But I'm trying to do better and that's the thing that really hurts
All this sex and the drugs in my life mean nothing
When my superfriend hugs me at night tears come rushing
There's no kryptonite, no dealing no lie that could be told



OK, here we go once again…"all the sex and drugs" in his life (in a GOSPEL SONG) mean nothing. It doesn’t??? Sex and drugs means nothing according to David Banner.

This is a new gospel according to David Banner perpetuated through the music to this generation. This is a total and absolute shift from biblical morality to secular morality and norms.

To affirm his position, he simply is comforted by his "Superfriend" that hugs him at night until he cries…What in the world is this??? As long as we have this "Superfriend" that affirms us we need not worry about changing anything. Just continue in sin??? What about 1 Cor. 6?

Let’s finish this:

That can separate the power that you have over my soul
So stunting is a habit when I'm gripping this mic
Ya'll thinking I'm a pimp but I'm trying to be like Christ
In real life, yeah



OK, here we have confusion over who David is trying to be like. He tells us that we think he’s a pimp because of his profession, what he says and what he displays to the audience.

The reality is (in his world) that he is simply TRYING TO BE LIKE CHRIST??? So if we are confused, we can simply be confused because we can’t identify the difference between David ‘Pimp’ Banner and Jesus Christ???

As we should be able to see…the SUPERFRIEND of Mary Mary is not and has nothing to do with Christ. Christ is a deliverer FROM sin not INTO sin.

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The writer of the article seems to miss the reoccurring theme of "The Sound" album. I am someone who listens to lyrics over beat so the content to me is more important than anything else. The album's reoccurring theme is the christian that is wavering, trying to do better. Over and over again the them of living in the world and still trying to be spiritual and falling down are explored. There is one rapper who is featured who speaks about what type of secular music his puts out and how it causes conflict in his spirit to do so. I actually love this album and my nephew who is 3 knows the words to the Sound and Superfriend. Just because something doesn't speak to your spirit as a christian does not mean it isn't speaking to and uplifting someone else. In an error in which most artist want to be just "spiritual" and don't believe in organized religion we must support those who admit to being christians who are struggling.
 
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Aside from rappers songs, Mary Mary also render another song called ‘Dirt’. This song tries to contrast trials and tribulations with "dirt" in a garden as an essential part of the growth of the believer. The problem is that we should ask, is "dirt" as described by Mary Mary in this song, a parallel to daily life’s trials or is it descriptive of unchecked sin in the life of the believer?

The Saint should ask, is what we go through in daily living "dirt"? Mary Mary answers the question by further explaining that the "dirt" they are referencing is personal failure and not mere daily trials. In other words the "Dirt" is SIN. Here it is:

"Dirt" ~ Mary Mary

Ooh sometimes you may sing for yourself
You struggle hard just to prevail
It’s the lesson you need to learn
It’s the way you’ve got to earn
Champions never accept defeat
They fall and get back on their feet
‘Cause they know (they know)
Just like I know (I know)
That if you want to grow we…


We all need a little bit
(I) need a little bit
Need a little bit of dirt to grow




OK, We "fall down" but that’s OK because we all NEED to fall INTO SIN in order to grow. WOW!Back to the scripture:


Hezekiah’s Solution

Hezekiah prayed 2 Kings 19:14-19 and placed himself and the nation on the complete mercy of God. Without the use of one soldier or any loss of an Israelite life, God turned the captivity around and gave Hezekiah and Judah the victory.

How Did This Happen?

Hezekiah did something miraculous before these trials began. 1- He maintained his heart before God as one who was sincere in doing right even when he made bad judgements and 2- he fortified the water system of Jerusalem. (2 Chron. 32:1) You see, it was because there was a free flow of water that Jerusalem was able to thrive while they were shut up. This water system did not exist in Lachish and Libnah which had fallen and been taken and 3- he listened to the promise of God, when God said he would send a "blast" (Is. 19:6-7)(a ruwach) and turn the enemy away and kill him in his own land.

Suddenly, after receiving the promise of God, over night (2 Kings 19:35-37), God kills 185,000 Assyrian soldiers. Naturalistic speculation is that this was due to either a plague of flesh eating rats or some mysterious deadly illness that invaded the camp. This could have been a reflection of Israel’s Exodus from Egypt when the death angel exacted judgement according to the direction of God. The result was that Sennacherib after receiving the word that his army was trached and had suffered defeat without even engaging in combat, left Libnah and after a silent 22 year absence from the area, died in his capital city of Nineveh, at the hands of 2 of his sons, while worshipping his false god.

What Was The Message?

  • The threat of the enemy against the Lord’s church is actually against the God himself.
  • Compromise and rendering to the devil what belongs to god is not according to the scripture, God’s word or HIS ultimate plan for us.
  • What is dedicated to the Lord is to remain dedicated to the Lord no matter the culture or the desire to do otherwise.
There are plenty of natural reasons to give up, but none of those reasons are valid. In fact because God is God we have every reason to believe that HE will provide for us as we render sincere service to him.

So far as music is concerned, too many of our artists feel that they cannot and won't be successful unless they give tribute to the enemy, with little or no regard to who they actually belong to. We should be aware that God’s people don’t have to give the enemy anything and especially that which belongs to God. The praise of the saints belongs to God so much so until he inhabits it. This is the type of Glory that the devil has desired to steal from the beginning, and it is in the church’s power to deny and refuse the enemy what he desires.

Should the venue called the "gospel music industry" exist for any of this to take place at all??? Coming up in our next post.

Blessed!


Posted by District Supt. Harvey Burnett at 3:06 PM

Labels: David Banner, gespel music industry, Hip Hop, Mary Mary, rap music, Warryn Campbell
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But to my surprise, not only did I find him on a gospel CD, but I also found the SAME concept and disdain for God, women and the church within his rap on Mary Mary’s "gospel song" Superfriend. Here are a few of the lyrics:

Mary Mary ~ Superfriend

A superfriend, a superfriend
Yes sir, I got me one of them
A superfriend, a superfriend
I got me a superfriend



Stop there for a minute. Is this honoriffic of God or somebody you know around the way? "I got me one of them" Obviously this CAN’T be a song about the Lord. How can you "get you one of them?" Who is this Superfriend??? Maybe David will reveal the nature of that Superfriend to us. Here we go:


David Banner’s Superfreind rap:

Lord, I'm so weak and scared to run
What have I done to deserve a life like this?
The devil's scared to fight us in the light
He hides in the midst of religion
But I know that my God is listening there for me
There's a greater mission




OK, let me interrupt for a minute. The devil hides in the midst of religion? But God is listening to him because he has a "greater mission"???

What mission could Mr. Banner have? We know that Baby Dub’s mission is to "make hits" so he can be respected…What is David Banner’s mission??? Let’s look further:


You're no girl, you're no man, but a plan for greater peace
I'll fight for the light until my flesh falls deceased
I'm fighting the devil, fighting police
And in the church, Lord I'm looked at as Satan
'Cause in my music I curse




Now, David affirms "unisexuality" by declaring a unigender as simply a "plan for greater peace".

This is a secret encouragement for the homosexual agenda and same sex union. Yep! Right in the middle of a gospel song.

Before you criticize me for seeing it, and speaking about it, tell me what you think he means…I wanna hear that. Don’t give me that he was indicating that there is neither male nor female in Christremember this song only sparingly mentions Christ and certainly doesn’t mention scripture in almost any sense.

Further, David admits his fight with the devil (white man) and the police (authority) and acknowledges that "his mission" currently encourages him to be as profane as possible. In fact the church doesn’t really understand him.

Next verse:



But I'm trying to do better and that's the thing that really hurts
All this sex and the drugs in my life mean nothing
When my superfriend hugs me at night tears come rushing
There's no kryptonite, no dealing no lie that could be told



OK, here we go once again…"all the sex and drugs" in his life (in a GOSPEL SONG) mean nothing. It doesn’t??? Sex and drugs means nothing according to David Banner.

This is a new gospel according to David Banner perpetuated through the music to this generation. This is a total and absolute shift from biblical morality to secular morality and norms.

To affirm his position, he simply is comforted by his "Superfriend" that hugs him at night until he cries…What in the world is this??? As long as we have this "Superfriend" that affirms us we need not worry about changing anything. Just continue in sin??? What about 1 Cor. 6?

Let’s finish this:

That can separate the power that you have over my soul
So stunting is a habit when I'm gripping this mic
Ya'll thinking I'm a pimp but I'm trying to be like Christ
In real life, yeah



OK, here we have confusion over who David is trying to be like. He tells us that we think he’s a pimp because of his profession, what he says and what he displays to the audience.

The reality is (in his world) that he is simply TRYING TO BE LIKE CHRIST??? So if we are confused, we can simply be confused because we can’t identify the difference between David ‘Pimp’ Banner and Jesus Christ???

As we should be able to see…the SUPERFRIEND of Mary Mary is not and has nothing to do with Christ. Christ is a deliverer FROM sin not INTO sin.

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I interpret the lyrics completley different. Homosexuality-really?!! Sometimes when you are looking for something you find it. Like the line about sex and drugs-I take it to mean that that is not the mission in this life and is nothing in the long run. The pimp line I take to mean that just because you see what I do on the outside you have no idea about the struggle I have on the inside. I could go on and on.
 
Do clubs really play Christian/ Gospel/ Inspirational Music nowadays? :ohwell:

I remember people saying Kanye's "Jesus Walks" was a club banger but I really can't imagine it :nono:.

I've heard that they will if it sound "clubbish" enough, but I don't know firsthand...
 
I have a friend who works ata strip club and she says they Play Kirk Franklin all the way to Michael Jackson's 'Thriller'. As long as the beat is good no one cares about thr lyrics. That's why sometimes Gospel songs shouldn't be so beat catchy, because then the song is taken the wrong way.

Not surprised at all...
 
James 4:4
You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Music is universal and a gift from God.

But when someone can't tell whether a song is about God or a lover, there's been some compromise. And what we compromise, we will lose. Thankfully, not all Christian artists are ambiguous.. :yep:



:bookworm: end of article...

Aside from rappers songs, Mary Mary also render another song called ‘Dirt’. This song tries to contrast trials and tribulations with "dirt" in a garden as an essential part of the growth of the believer. The problem is that we should ask, is "dirt" as described by Mary Mary in this song, a parallel to daily life’s trials or is it descriptive of unchecked sin in the life of the believer?

The Saint should ask, is what we go through in daily living "dirt"? Mary Mary answers the question by further explaining that the "dirt" they are referencing is personal failure and not mere daily trials. In other words the "Dirt" is SIN. Here it is:

"Dirt" ~ Mary Mary

Ooh sometimes you may sing for yourself
You struggle hard just to prevail
It’s the lesson you need to learn
It’s the way you’ve got to earn
Champions never accept defeat
They fall and get back on their feet
‘Cause they know (they know)
Just like I know (I know)
That if you want to grow we…


We all need a little bit
(I) need a little bit
Need a little bit of dirt to grow




OK, We "fall down" but that’s OK because we all NEED to fall INTO SIN in order to grow. WOW!Back to the scripture:


Hezekiah’s Solution

Hezekiah prayed 2 Kings 19:14-19 and placed himself and the nation on the complete mercy of God. Without the use of one soldier or any loss of an Israelite life, God turned the captivity around and gave Hezekiah and Judah the victory.

How Did This Happen?

Hezekiah did something miraculous before these trials began. 1- He maintained his heart before God as one who was sincere in doing right even when he made bad judgements and 2- he fortified the water system of Jerusalem. (2 Chron. 32:1) You see, it was because there was a free flow of water that Jerusalem was able to thrive while they were shut up. This water system did not exist in Lachish and Libnah which had fallen and been taken and 3- he listened to the promise of God, when God said he would send a "blast" (Is. 19:6-7)(a ruwach) and turn the enemy away and kill him in his own land.

Suddenly, after receiving the promise of God, over night (2 Kings 19:35-37), God kills 185,000 Assyrian soldiers. Naturalistic speculation is that this was due to either a plague of flesh eating rats or some mysterious deadly illness that invaded the camp. This could have been a reflection of Israel’s Exodus from Egypt when the death angel exacted judgement according to the direction of God. The result was that Sennacherib after receiving the word that his army was trached and had suffered defeat without even engaging in combat, left Libnah and after a silent 22 year absence from the area, died in his capital city of Nineveh, at the hands of 2 of his sons, while worshipping his false god.

What Was The Message?

  • The threat of the enemy against the Lord’s church is actually against the God himself.
  • Compromise and rendering to the devil what belongs to god is not according to the scripture, God’s word or HIS ultimate plan for us.
  • What is dedicated to the Lord is to remain dedicated to the Lord no matter the culture or the desire to do otherwise.
There are plenty of natural reasons to give up, but none of those reasons are valid. In fact because God is God we have every reason to believe that HE will provide for us as we render sincere service to him.

So far as music is concerned, too many of our artists feel that they cannot and won't be successful unless they give tribute to the enemy, with little or no regard to who they actually belong to. We should be aware that God’s people don’t have to give the enemy anything and especially that which belongs to God. The praise of the saints belongs to God so much so until he inhabits it. This is the type of Glory that the devil has desired to steal from the beginning, and it is in the church’s power to deny and refuse the enemy what he desires.

Should the venue called the "gospel music industry" exist for any of this to take place at all??? Coming up in our next post.

Blessed!


Posted by District Supt. Harvey Burnett at 3:06 PM

Labels: David Banner, gespel music industry, Hip Hop, Mary Mary, rap music, Warryn Campbell
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I interpret the lyrics completley different. Homosexuality-really?!! Sometimes when you are looking for something you find it. Like the line about sex and drugs-I take it to mean that that is not the mission in this life and is nothing in the long run. The pimp line I take to mean that just because you see what I do on the outside you have no idea about the struggle I have on the inside. I could go on and on.


Hi dicapr!

I am trying to understand your post. Are you defending banners position as a follower of Christ?
 
James 4:4
You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Music is universal and a gift from God.

But when someone can't tell whether a song is about God or a lover, there's been some compromise. And what we compromise, we will lose. Thankfully, not all Christian artists are ambiguous.. :yep:


I hear you! I hear you!.

Exactly, why do we have to sing in-between songs? A gospel artist should be preaching the good news, that Jesus is risen, alive and coming back again. Any form of dilution will get muddled responses at best.

I am not sure that these songs will minister to a stark unbeliever, maybe to a believer that already has an inclination that this is tagged "gospel music".

When you listen to some artists, nobody needs to tell you its preaching Jesus and who he is.
 
I hear you! I hear you!.

Exactly, why do we have to sing in-between songs? A gospel artist should be preaching the good news, that Jesus is risen, alive and coming back again. Any form of dilution will get muddled responses at best.

I am not sure that these songs will minister to a stark unbeliever, maybe to a believer that already has an inclination that this is tagged "gospel music".

When you listen to some artists, nobody needs to tell you its preaching Jesus and who he is.

:thankyou:

:yep: :yep: :yep: Umm, Please Say that Again!

:amen:

When Ce-Ce Winans sings 'One and the Same' and 'Alabaster Box' - No doubt it's all about Jesus. "The Throne Room" ... No doubt. It's total worship unto the Lord.

I keep this radio station on 24/7 in my home. I never turn it off or down. No matter what else is on or is going on in my home, this station is always on.

www.wrbs.com

http://www.wrbs.com/dynamic/DynCon.aspx?cid=45&fs=Music

I've done this for so long, that I don't even think about it, but yet I know when it's not on (sometimes we have a power outtage which shuts off my digital radio station). I even listen to it away from home on my computer. It's worship music and I love it.
 
This is really hard for me to deal with because I'm a Christian, and while I don't like the lyrics or tune of "God in Me," I know all the words to the very similar "Blame It." That's a conflict of interest on my part. I understand that we should hold ministers of music to high standards, but we musn't forget that we all struggle with maintaining an accurate representation of our faith. All Christians should strive to be different in this world because God has said that he has set us apart as a "peculiar people," and I don't think Mary Mary is being peculiar by featuring Common (a 5%-er, who sees himself as God), Amber Rose and Kanye West in their video for this song. At the same time, we should not forget to look at ourselves and strive to be seen as Christians in our own walks. If I have a problem with Mary Mary's closeness to the world, then I need to assess my own musical tastes. If I don't like what they wore to the BET awards (which I didn't), then I need to make sure that my wardrobe reflects my devotion to Christ as well. It's so easy to talk about the speck in another's eye (not to say that Mary Mary shouldn't be more careful about how close they get to the world; they are in the ministry), but we shouldn't forget that we can see things a lot more clearly once we remove the planks in our own.
 
This is really hard for me to deal with because I'm a Christian, and while I don't like the lyrics or tune of "God in Me," I know all the words to the very similar "Blame It." That's a conflict of interest on my part. I understand that we should hold ministers of music to high standards, but we musn't forget that we all struggle with maintaining an accurate representation of our faith. All Christians should strive to be different in this world because God has said that he has set us apart as a "peculiar people," and I don't think Mary Mary is being peculiar by featuring Common (a 5%-er, who sees himself as God), Amber Rose and Kanye West in their video for this song. At the same time, we should not forget to look at ourselves and strive to be seen as Christians in our own walks. If I have a problem with Mary Mary's closeness to the world, then I need to assess my own musical tastes. If I don't like what they wore to the BET awards (which I didn't), then I need to make sure that my wardrobe reflects my devotion to Christ as well. It's so easy to talk about the speck in another's eye (not to say that Mary Mary shouldn't be more careful about how close they get to the world; they are in the ministry), but we shouldn't forget that we can see things a lot more clearly once we remove the planks in our own.


I am not certain I follow you but i will say this you would be so right if they had change their life around and were praising God and thanking him for getting them out of the mess they were in and their songs was uplifting God in heaven and magnifying him. As all songs should be, Magnifying God and his glory and mercy and his goodness and his kindness. We have the bible as our example. Mary when she discovered God has chosen her she sang a new song to the lord. ( she praised God for choosing her and it was not an easy thing for her she was facing possible stoning) Elizabeth sang a new song when she was pregnant with John the Baptise Praising God once again. Psalms are full of the songs David sang to the Lord for saving him over and over again. We know from the Word of God that all of our songs are to be uplifting to magnify God. Our father in heaven and that those of us that are christians that see fellow christians not doing this should say something about it. But this is the thing. Mary Mary are not trying to uplift God - Erica's husband said it he is trying to make those hits. its all about those hits so he can be and remain on top. They forgotten what they had started to do. they just remember the struggle of trying to make ends meet and don't want to rehash that again. but I must confess. I like the beat of blame it. I never listen to secular music but I hear it and I know its hypnotising - but its glorifying the evil one. I am fully aware of the attraction of secular music and I am fully aware of who it glorifies and I am not to long coming out of that lifestyle myself and so when I hear it and I have a chance to let someone know what the real deal is I take that chance. Music to the Lord is glorifying its uplifting its wonderful, music to the evil one is hypnotising and you have this mindless movement that sometimes you can't even control and sometimes it can lead you far from where you intended to go.
 
This is really hard for me to deal with because I'm a Christian, and while I don't like the lyrics or tune of "God in Me," I know all the words to the very similar "Blame It." That's a conflict of interest on my part. I understand that we should hold ministers of music to high standards, but we musn't forget that we all struggle with maintaining an accurate representation of our faith. All Christians should strive to be different in this world because God has said that he has set us apart as a "peculiar people," and I don't think Mary Mary is being peculiar by featuring Common (a 5%-er, who sees himself as God), Amber Rose and Kanye West in their video for this song. At the same time, we should not forget to look at ourselves and strive to be seen as Christians in our own walks. If I have a problem with Mary Mary's closeness to the world, then I need to assess my own musical tastes. If I don't like what they wore to the BET awards (which I didn't), then I need to make sure that my wardrobe reflects my devotion to Christ as well. It's so easy to talk about the speck in another's eye (not to say that Mary Mary shouldn't be more careful about how close they get to the world; they are in the ministry), but we shouldn't forget that we can see things a lot more clearly once we remove the planks in our own.

Of course. We are required by scripture to do so. That is why we should do our best to live a life above reproach (still working on that) - this is one reason why sin is not called out like it should be. Fear of being found out (for sin) is one reason why many dont care to discuss it.
 
Your words are wise and well-received...

But you also must remember, these artists also have made themselves publicly known to be Christians, so responsibility comes with that -- just like I and any other Believer have the responsibility of representing Christ in all we say or do and are transparent to others.

While there's room for personal preferences (attire, style, etc.), a person's life should line up with the Word for them to be able to draw others to Christ. If unsaved people are led to believe they can be saved and still get to live the life they are living, they are being misled. Period. A Believer isn't going to stand to the side and be OK with something like that.

Acceptance of Jesus comes with change.. a renewing of the mind, through the Holy Spirit. When someone gets saved, they should slowly start to change... It is the Holy Spirit that will do the condemning.. not us. But I don't see anything wrong with merely stating the obvious. We're all entitled to that right at Believers, without being accused of condemning others.

I say this only in love, so I hope it is received in love.

God Bless you.





This is really hard for me to deal with because I'm a Christian, and while I don't like the lyrics or tune of "God in Me," I know all the words to the very similar "Blame It." That's a conflict of interest on my part. I understand that we should hold ministers of music to high standards, but we musn't forget that we all struggle with maintaining an accurate representation of our faith. All Christians should strive to be different in this world because God has said that he has set us apart as a "peculiar people," and I don't think Mary Mary is being peculiar by featuring Common (a 5%-er, who sees himself as God), Amber Rose and Kanye West in their video for this song. At the same time, we should not forget to look at ourselves and strive to be seen as Christians in our own walks. If I have a problem with Mary Mary's closeness to the world, then I need to assess my own musical tastes. If I don't like what they wore to the BET awards (which I didn't), then I need to make sure that my wardrobe reflects my devotion to Christ as well. It's so easy to talk about the speck in another's eye (not to say that Mary Mary shouldn't be more careful about how close they get to the world; they are in the ministry), but we shouldn't forget that we can see things a lot more clearly once we remove the planks in our own.
 
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Your words are wise and well-received...

But you also must remember, these artists also have made themselves publicly known to be Christians, so responsibility comes with that -- just like I and any other Believer have the responsibility of representing Christ in all we say or do and are transparent to others.

While there's room for personal preferences (attire, style, etc.), a person's life should line up with the Word for them to be able to draw others to Christ. If people are led to believe they can be saved and still get to live the life they are living, they are being misled. Period. A Believer isn't going to stand to the side and be OK with something like that.

Acceptance of Jesus comes with change.. a renewing of the mind, through the Holy Spirit. When someone gets saved, they should slowly start to change... It is the Holy Spirit that will do the condemning.. not us. But I don't see anything wrong with merely stating the obvious. We're all entitled to that right at Believers, without being accused of judging others.

I say this only in love, so I hope it is received in love.

God Bless you.
Beautiful message. :yep: :love2:
 
I am not certain I follow you but i will say this you would be so right if they had change their life around and were praising God and thanking him for getting them out of the mess they were in and their songs was uplifting God in heaven and magnifying him. As all songs should be, Magnifying God and his glory and mercy and his goodness and his kindness. We have the bible as our example. Mary when she discovered God has chosen her she sang a new song to the lord. ( she praised God for choosing her and it was not an easy thing for her she was facing possible stoning) Elizabeth sang a new song when she was pregnant with John the Baptise Praising God once again. Psalms are full of the songs David sang to the Lord for saving him over and over again. We know from the Word of God that all of our songs are to be uplifting to magnify God. Our father in heaven and that those of us that are christians that see fellow christians not doing this should say something about it. But this is the thing. Mary Mary are not trying to uplift God - Erica's husband said it he is trying to make those hits. its all about those hits so he can be and remain on top. They forgotten what they had started to do. they just remember the struggle of trying to make ends meet and don't want to rehash that again. but I must confess. I like the beat of blame it. I never listen to secular music but I hear it and I know its hypnotising - but its glorifying the evil one. I am fully aware of the attraction of secular music and I am fully aware of who it glorifies and I am not to long coming out of that lifestyle myself and so when I hear it and I have a chance to let someone know what the real deal is I take that chance. Music to the Lord is glorifying its uplifting its wonderful, music to the evil one is hypnotising and you have this mindless movement that sometimes you can't even control and sometimes it can lead you far from where you intended to go.

I'm sorry if it was a little vague. Basically I was saying that I don't think Mary Mary was keeping to the standard God holds Christians to as a "peculiar people" by giving Common, who is a 5-percenter and sees himself as a god rather instead of giving glory to God, a cameo in the video.

You ladies are right--we need to call sin as it is and let the Spirit do the rest. I think Mary Mary has holy intentions, but I didn't perceive that holiness from this song.
 
I will say that I like the song, the beat, the singing, and the words. As far as what they wore, that was not MY main focus. I would not have a problem with my children listening to the song or seeing the BET performance (I have not seen the video). People have differences of opinion and will always throw stones.

Back in college, my freshman year roommate and I attended the same church. She was basically asked to leave the church. One of their points was how she dressed. I was shocked, she dressed A LOT more conservatively than me, and sometimes we dressed a like. She was the nicest, innocent, sweetest person I ever met and she was devastated. She ended up switching to another college. I can't believe how much THEY missed out on.
So many people make so many judgements on this board and so many people choose to only see the bad.

I feel that if it takes a hip hop beat, an autotone to make young people of today stop and listen to a song with what I believe is a positive message, than I say good job. In order to spread the message of Jesus Christ, you have to get a person's attention. When I first heard that song I was bopping to the beat before I knew who the song was by or heard the lyrics.
So many churches are turning young people off because of members being so judgemental and not doing things to attract the young people to church. Young people learn the best when they are having fun, not being talked down to, or lectured.

I've come across a few preachers who said a few bad words every now and then, there are some who eat pork, and so on. Does that mean they are not worthy role models, does that mean they are not good christians.

I'm going to edit this to say - God knows their intentions. If you need further clarification, pray on it and ask God about it. I know that my heart has been heavy lately because of all the negativity I have been encountering with people being so judgemental of others. I'm going to have to pray on that.

I just wanna tell the truth mayne
I just wanna tell the truth mayne
I just wanna tell the truth mayne
I just wanna tell the truth mayne

You're so fly, you're so high
Everybody 'round you trying to figure out why
You're so cool, you win all the time
Everywhere you go, man you get a lot of shine

You draw like a magnet, better yet I have it
Everything you wear people say they gotta have it
From the sweat suit to the white tee to the Gucci
You can probably say people wanna get like me

But what they don't know is when you go home
And get behind closed doors, man you hit the floor
And what they can't see is you're on you're knees
So the next time you get it just tell 'em

It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me

You think I'm so fresh, you think I'm so clean
You think I'm so sweet
It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me

You see her style, you think she nice
You look at her whip, you say the whip tight
You look at her crib, you thinking she's paid
You look at her life, you think she's got it made

But everything she's got, the girl's been given
She call it a blessing but you call it living
When it come to money she can be a hero
She writes them checks with a whole lot of zeros

But what you don't know is when she get home
And get behind closed doors, man she hit the floor
And what you can't see is she on her knees
And if you ask her she'll tell you

It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me

You think I'm so fresh, you think I'm so clean
You think I'm so sweet
It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me

What is it you think you see when you see me, you see me?
You don't know how much I pray
Don't know how much I gave, don't know how much I changed
I'm just tryna explain

It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me

You think I'm so fresh, you think I'm so clean
You think I'm so sweet
It's the God in me, it's the God in me
It's the God in me
It's the God in me

You think I'm so fresh, you think I'm so clean
You think I'm so sweet
It's the God in me
 
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Colossians 3:16

16 Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts.
 
Acts 16:22-34 (New Living Translation)


22 A mob quickly formed against Paul and Silas, and the city officials ordered them stripped and beaten with wooden rods. 23 They were severely beaten, and then they were thrown into prison. The jailer was ordered to make sure they didn’t escape. 24 So the jailer put them into the inner dungeon and clamped their feet in the stocks.

25 Around midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening. ( including the jailor, who fell asleep) 26 Suddenly, there was a massive earthquake, and the prison was shaken to its foundations. All the doors immediately flew open, and the chains of every prisoner fell off! 27 The jailer woke up to see the prison doors wide open. He assumed the prisoners had escaped, so he drew his sword to kill himself. 28 But Paul shouted to him, “Stop! Don’t kill yourself! We are all here!”

29 The jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.” 32 And they shared the word of the Lord with him and with all who lived in his household. 33 Even at that hour of the night, the jailer cared for them and washed their wounds. Then he and everyone in his household were immediately baptized. 34 He brought them into his house and set a meal before them, and he and his entire household rejoiced because they all believed in God.
 
I can see that you are uninformed about 'Ministry'.

HMMMM.... IS SOMEONE TRYING TO START ANOTHER FIGHT????
wow we are such Christians in here...
this is pitiful... let the women make their living... for 5 mins. everyone was singing "Its the God in Me"
Instead of "Blame it on the alcohol..."
Be happy that they did something positive instead of sitting around on long hair care forums and complaining all day...
who did you "minister to" today???
not me...
:lachen: leaving...
 
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