Law of Attraction/The Secret

[bluediamond0829]

I have watched the Secret dvd and this was what i kind of was thinking about today in Church.

I like the ideas of waking up everyday and thinking of what you are grateful for and thinking positive and positive things will happen. I like that whole idea the thing i have somewhat a problem with is the part about the vision board. Im grateful for having the honda civic car that I have and it being able to get me back from point A to point B and even further with God's will. But i'm not wanting for a mercedes just because its a mercedes and i see other people driving it. Im grateful for just having a car. So i cant see putting a picture of a mercedes on a vision board and visualizing having this because im grateful for what God has given me.

Just like i would love to have a home one day But i feel that when God has it in his plans for that day to come it will come and he will make a way for it. I dont feel like visualizing having a particular house will make it come any faster than God has in his plans for me. I'm grateful for having a place to lay my head down and to call my own even if im renting it.

Maybe im interrupting the entire vision board wrong. I looked at a girlfriends vision board and it was alot of what she wants(to make a million dollars so she had wrote herself a check, to be married, to have children, to have a certain house a certain car. )

I think that the vision board should be words of inspiration or things(like family, God, etc) that im grateful for to keep me going like inspirational words.

Or maybe its to of a materialistic idea and approach.

 

[Shimmie]

I have watched the Secret dvd and this was what i kind of was thinking about today in Church.

I like the ideas of waking up everyday and thinking of what you are grateful for and thinking positive and positive things will happen. I like that whole idea the thing i have somewhat a problem with is the part about the vision board. Im grateful for having the honda civic car that I have and it being able to get me back from point A to point B and even further with God's will. But i'm not wanting for a mercedes just because its a mercedes and i see other people driving it. Im grateful for just having a car. So i cant see putting a picture of a mercedes on a vision board and visualizing having this because im grateful for what God has given me.

Just like i would love to have a home one day But i feel that when God has it in his plans for that day to come it will come and he will make a way for it. I dont feel like visualizing having a particular house will make it come any faster than God has in his plans for me. I'm grateful for having a place to lay my head down and to call my own even if im renting it.

Maybe im interrupting the entire vision board wrong. I looked at a girlfriends vision board and it was alot of what she wants(to make a million dollars so she had wrote herself a check, to be married, to have children, to have a certain house a certain car. )

I think that the vision board should be words of inspiration or things(like family, God, etc) that im grateful for to keep me going like inspirational words.

Or maybe its to of a materialistic idea and approach.

You have such a beautiful heart. What I'm sharing below is not about you personally. I just wanted to put that out there, okay?

Already satan has come in with his spirit of confusion. the loa is a weapon of destruction and a means of separating humanity from a total relationship with God. satan is still trying to overthrow the throne of God, and by means of luring whosoever will follow him, by covering his methods with the appearance of innocense and harmless methods and mind sets.

Everything and more that the loa is 'stealing' God's credit for is and has always been in God's word. The real problem with the loa is that it is a mix of using God's principles while at the same time, deferring from God's order.

Of course satan is going to use (as his disguise) the obvious principles of God, for being thankful, thinking positive, and expecting great and wonderful things. But on the under hand, he is distracting Christians by having them focus on the 'getting', the spirit of mammon, the spirit of the world.

Giving thanks unto God doesn't need the loa to teach a Christian that. As Christians we should be greatful unto to God without any prompting from any outside source. Just reading the Psalms in the Bible, contains all of the praises and thanks unto God far beyond the loa guidelines.

Having our needs and desires met, goes far beyond the loa with or without a vision board.

Isn't sad to see Christians no longer in prayer or being consecrated before God, because they are more focused in manifesting pipe
dreams from the universe.

Can you imagine how Jesus feels when He looks down and instead of on our faces worshipping Him, we're seeking the principles of the 'secret' dvd and the vast books that stem from it, instead of seeking wisdom from His word.

As Christians, what are we doing? What have we become so disappointed in with God and our life and dedication and relationship with Him, that we've been seduced to the other side to have our needs met?

There's nothing wrong with planning; writing a vision or a dream, keeping journals, logs, mapping out goals and objectives. Our lives do have need of order. But why go to the devil for instruction?

There are so many levels of witchcraft used in the principles of the loa for it is witchcraft that it is its root and platform; which is 'self-will'.

Look, here it is plain and simple:

All that I have ever wanted, and have asked God for, He has never denied, unless it was harmful to me. As Christians we have a relationship with Him that goes beyond any relationship that can ever exist. For we are in Blood Covenant with the Most High God. Think about. God! The Creator of ourselves; the Creator of all of Heaven and Earth and the Universe, is our Father and we are One with Him. AND He created us to be just that, 'One with Him'.

It's Amazing! What more could or do we possibly need? We have God! Why would we ever 'defect' and humiliate Him by going over to the other side. How can we do this to One so loving to us as He is.

There is no reason; no defense; no justification; no need to leave God's presence to even 'visit' another means of life. None!

Jesus said plainly, that our Father knows what we have need of, and He will give it to us freely.

When we need peace, God gives it to us without reserve and surpasses our limited understanding.

For every reason, every excuse, every cop out that Christians have and are using to be a part of the loa, God has already out done the loa by more than ten thousand of the weak excuses. God has the 'all' and the 'every' that we could ever seek and need in our lives. And it's all for free. Jesus paid the price of it with His Blood for all of us.

What Price selling out? What Price a secret which is not a secret? What Price the love of God? What Price? Whether 'we' see it or not, admit it or not, like it or not, it's selling out to another god.

And it's sad watching Christians go out like that. It's just plain sad.

As Christians we fast and pray, not loa.

As Christians, we make the sacrifices of denying ourselves the lusts of the eye, and of the flesh to keep from being distracted from the real focus. For the closer we become to the Lord, undistracted, the more powerful we are and are able to withstand the enemy, satan and stop him in his tracks.

And satan knows this. he knows that the closer we get to God, the more powerful we become against him. And we are able to stop him from his wiles and schemes and destructive forces. With our power in God, marriages are saved; children are saved and protected; there are restraints against so many evils of this world. Sickness and disease loses its grip for our prayers are just the powerful to avail just that much power. loa does not have the power to do such, nor bring us closer to god.

Look at God's word here; it speaks of satan's plan: (Isaiah 14)

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O shining star, son of the morning!
You have been thrown down to the earth,
you who destroyed the nations of the world.
13 For you said to yourself,
‘I will ascend to heaven and set my throne above God’s stars.
I will preside on the mountain of the gods
far away in the north.[e]
14 I will climb to the highest heavens
and be like the Most High.’

Another translation:

13-14

You said to yourself,
"I'll climb to heaven.
I'll set my throne
over the stars of God.
I'll run the assembly of angels
that meets on sacred Mount Zaphon.
I'll climb to the top of the clouds.
I'll take over as King of the Universe!"

Now, who does the loa promote seeking.......'the universe'; not god, but the universe, where satan abides.

It's not a sin to have a mercedes, but who wants one from the hand of satan? And for one to focus upon receiving what they want from the universe, other than God is idol worship. To have a vision is not a sin, God gives us visions *it's scriptural*, but not without Him to lead and guide us.

There's so much to tell about this...so much. Yet who will listen? Is having a car more important than having a relationship with God. And with His relationship, He OWNS the cars and the cattle on a thousand hills.

All that we could ever want is All in Him, and He gives to us freely...

Lord Jesus, please have mercy upon us all. Please have mercy.

 

[Shimmie]

It was the Lord's doing and it is certainly marvelous in my eyes. Thank you Yodie. I asked the Lord to give me the words and I would write them and I prayed that it would reach someone who allowed their heart to be in tuned with His and......He did.

Angel Aggie, God is using you far more than you realize. I'm still so humbled by the love of our Father God.

It's the pure presence of the Holy Spirit who has moved within your heart, not me or anyone else. But God.......Praise Him. :heart2:

 

[jade998]

FS/RR: No one is sugarcoating it. I stated truth. LOA is a principle of God taught by Jesus and works with or without prayer and with or without God. Period.

How does something that is a principle of God, work without God ??????- That is a massive contradiction.

ETA: I just threw away my vision board. After reading this thread, it is like God was talking very strongly to me. I was spending my time looking at this vision board, instead of being on my knees praying and being in a relationship with God. I know how it is to say it has principles of the bible and that makes it okay, but it turns into a slippery slope to total non dependance on God.

I got so tired of being tired and I felt that God was holding back on me. But that doesnt change the fact that God is God, and I can only get to God, through the son, Jesus. He is the only one I should be looking at.

Wow... the enemy is very crafty indeed, but I refuse to hand him my soul!!!!!

 

[Shimmie]

Aggie,

What you wrote touched me deeply. I just got chills all over.
Thank you for allowing The Holy Spirit to work through you and for sharing your precious message.

Shimmie, thanks for speaking the word, even when it's not popular to do so.

God is so patient.

The Holy Spirit rules...:heart2:

God bless you, jodie. More than words, God bless you

 

[Shimmie]

How does something that is a principle of God, work without God ??????- That is a massive contradiction

It is and it isn't a massive contradiction.

It's simply put like this. The world is not 'following' God; yet they go about their lives using all that He has provided in the earth. The word of God says that it rains on the 'Just' and the unjust. The 'Just' live by faith, faith in God and acknowledge God in all that they do. They do not worship nor follow other gods. The unjust, live by their ways and ignore or chose not to honor God for who He is.

In the earth are laws are universal no matter what. The laws of gravity; the four seasons, the 24 hour rotation of the earth, the rising and setting of the sun and the moon; the pull of the rotation of the earth upon its axis. The laws of sowing and reaping - seedtime and harvest; the laws of reciprosity - we reap what we sow (plant).

loa uses God's principle/laws and calls them their own. Yet it's focus is directed 'from' God, not towards Him.

One day, I'll take the time, as God leads, to do a detailed comparison of the loa verses God. It's a tremendous eye opener.

Blessings angel...

 

[Aggie]

I know that perhaps many of you have already seen this but I thought that I'd share it here again as it seemed fitting for this topic. I found this in the archives christian section of the forum. Here is the link to the video: http://www.interviewwiththedevil.com/

And here are the actual words (long):
INTERVIEW WITH THE DEVIL
Good evening my child
It’s good to see you

I'm not your child

So you belong to the "other" one eh?

I belong to "the one"

Whatever
Many are under that illusion but they are really mine
Even the "other" one's son said many will say
"Lord, Lord didn’t we do miracles in your name?"
and He said, "Go away, you workers of iniquity
I never knew you."

Well, I sure knew them
If I have many who work miracles
can you imagine how many I have
who don't work miracles

Well I'm not one of those.

That's what “they” thought
I can see into your heart
you're one of mine

You're known as the father of lies
the great deceiver
I know not to believe you

I lie when it suits me
I tell the truth when it suits me
I'm at least honest about that
You people rationalize
and make up excuses when you lie

You look different than I expected
you're actually rather good looking

What sense does it make to scare people?
I may be evil but Remember,
I was the most subtle creature
in the garden

Disguise is a great tool

I kill over ten times more people
each year with cigarettes
than 357's, 38's, 22's, 45's,
9mm's, and rifles combined

People are afraid of all those guns
but no one is afraid of one of my greatest killers
That’s my great power of illusion and deception

One of your greatest killers
how many do you have?

More than you can imagine
I have killers that kill the body,
the mind, and the spirit

Do you know how many marriages I break up?
And the fools don't even know that it’s me

How do you do that?

Simple,
I just make them think about themselves
MORE than each other
Pride and self centeredness
has always been one of my greatest tools

Don’t you know that you are defeated?
Don’t you know that you can’t win?

So

I’ve been here for thousands of years and even by your book I’ve got many more. Many who live under my rule know they’ll spend eternity burning in hell. If you humans are willing to sacrifice all of eternity for a few decades of living it up imagine how I feel about a few thousand years.
Of course that “living it up” is my greatest illusion
I promise them bliss with
sex
drugs
alcohol
dishonestly
and many gratifications of the flesh
It lasts an average of 26 months before the futility
and misery begins to set in

26 months
where did you get that figure from?

Thousands of years of experience
Believe me, I know what I’m talking about
Besides, I may get defeated in the end
but I’ll still have more souls than the other one
a lot more
even your book says that
so who really wins?

But why do you like to make people miserable
and cause so much pain and destruction?

Sometimes I get more credit than I deserve
Some of you can be just as mean and hurtful as me
I don’t do all of that stuff
Much of that is from human flesh and the spirit of humans
Look at how many brothers and sisters are at each other’s throats
not speaking to each other
Kids hate parents and each other
I’m good at causing chaos
but I must admit
Human nature can get pretty low without my help

 

[Aggie]

But you used to be an angel
why the big change?

That’s a long story
you wouldn’t fully understand
let’s just say
I got tired of taking orders
I didn’t want to be under anyone’s authority
I wanted to do my own thing
I wanted to be boss

Then again, maybe you would understand
Haven’t you ever felt like that?

Well haven’t you?

We are not interviewing me
we are interviewing you

Touched a nerve huh?
That little bit of not wanting to take orders
and wanting to self determine my own life
was my first step away from “the other one.”

Since it got me away
I use that same spirit on humans to get them away too

I just take a little of me and infuse it in

I’ve put that little bit of me in everyone
only a fool denies that

So what’s next
what are you planning now

I’m really planning a major shakeup
I’ve got some real nasty things cooking
I think I will be able to cause some heavy world destruction

Oh
you mean all of the international strife
and turmoil that’s happening

Nope, that’s the distraction
I’m real good at distractions
Sure
I’m causing some major world problems
but that isn’t what is really affecting most people

Beyond what they see in the news
and few price hikes here and there
it isn’t really impacting their world all that much

The major stuff I’m brewing messes up “their” world
not the international world

Fools are worrying about nations not getting along
and I have them not getting along with the people in the office

I’ve got them at war with the people they see everyday

I have them at war with the people under the same roof

I even have them at war with the person in the same bed

By the way
have you seen how I’ve really influenced who the other person
in the bed is these days?
I’m really proud of that

You see
the stuff they see on the news is the distraction

Your book says,
“Love thy neighbor”
not love thy “other nations”
I’ve got them hating their neighbor and the other nations too
Boy I’m good!

But why do you cause all of this destruction?

Have you ever squashed a bug?
I’m not talking about a mosquito that could bite you
or an insect that could sting you
but just an insect that could do you no harm
but you just squashed it for the heck of it

Well
have you ever squashed one
for the heck of it?
Or shall I say
for the hell of it?

Well have you?

I guess so

Well multiply that pleasure a million times over
I love squashing lives
hopes
dreams
joy
peace
life
health
prosperity
and harmony

I just love it!

Bugs
that’s the way I view all of you
helpless bugs to be squashed

 

[Aggie]

Are you going to let me out of here
to tell people about your plans?
I mean if you are exposed people will get wise to you

I’m not going to stop you
you can’t harm me or my plans
I’ve been exposed from the beginning
your book says so

Plus
if you’ve been reading your book
and if you truly aren’t mine you’d know that I can’t stop you
I only have power over my people
not His

I’m nothing but “The Evil,”
shorten my name
from D’Evil
to simply Devil
and that’s what I am

People have always known my nature

One hundred forty two million three hundred fourteen thousand
seven hundred and sixty two people
have committed adultery this year

All but three knew that it was wrong
so go ahead
tell them and see what good it does
They already know in their hearts what is right and wrong.

The “other” one wrote His commands in their heart
I just put a little of me in there also
I’ve got you humans and I ain’t letting go of you
but then most of you don’t want to let go of me either

I told you
I’m good at what I do

So what about Jesus
aren’t you afraid of Him?

Why should I be?
Look at the score
even He said it
“for wide is the gate, and broad is the way,
that leadeth to destruction
(destruction, that’s me)
and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way
which leadeth unto life
(life, that’s Him)
and few there be that find it.”

Notice that He said
“many would enter my path but few would even find His.”

Let me tell you something
everyone who finds His path still doesn’t enter

I get a lot of them standing at gate
knowing the way but undecided and still trapped
and unwilling to let go of my illusions
Oh yeah
I get a lot of them like that

You see
Finding and entering are two different things

When you add the score
I’ve got a wide path coming to me
That would be the equivalent
of an eight lane highway at rush hour

He has a narrow path coming to Him
that’s the equivalent of a small trail up a mountain
with only a few travelers every now and then

so why should I be afraid of Him?

But you get destroyed in the end

So
I will have reigned for thousands of years
and I’m going to take most of you with me

Don’t you have any mercy?

Mercy ain’t my thing
Never has been
never will be
that’s His thing

The only thing I’ve got is the illusion
that I can solve your problems
and bring you bliss

That illusion has been working
for thousands of years and it’s not slowing down

I tempt you puny humans with all of the stuff
of this world
Stuff that rots
and falls apart
and you fools keep falling for it

 

[Aggie]

I’m going to expose this to thousands of people!
I’m going to expose you for what you are!
I’ll make people see!

You’ll expose this to thousands
maybe even millions
but I’ll tell you what will happen

They will enjoy it
some will say “amen,”
some will forward it to others
but they won’t change

For each three thousand four hundred and twenty-two
who are mine who see this
only ONE will change
only ONE

You fool! Only one will change
I will keep the others

I also know this from experience
I’ve got and will keep most of you

ONE in 3,422!
I keep 3,421!
So what have you got to say about that?

Jesus already said it
"I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven
over ONE sinner who repents
than over ninety-nine just persons
who need no repentance.”
(Luke 15:7 NKJV)


If you are that one and wish to pray the Prayer of Salvation
CLICK HERE http://www.virtualchurch.com/salvation.html

I put this in here because of the many ways satan seek out to deceive us and how subtle he is in his approach to cause us to lose our souls. Be careful my sisters and brothers in Christ, know the wiles of the devil and resist him, he has no choice afterwards to flee from you. To him we are just bugs he wishes to squash.

 

[Aggie]

How does something that is a principle of God, work without God ??????- That is a massive contradiction.

ETA: I just threw away my vision board. After reading this thread, it is like God was talking very strongly to me. I was spending my time looking at this vision board, instead of being on my knees praying and being in a relationship with God. I know how it is to say it has principles of the bible and that makes it okay, but it turns into a slippery slope to total non dependance on God.

I got so tired of being tired and I felt that God was holding back on me. But that doesnt change the fact that God is God, and I can only get to God, through the son, Jesus. He is the only one I should be looking at.

Wow... the enemy is very crafty indeed, but I refuse to hand him my soul!!!!!

Wow jade998, thank you for sharing this with us. Indeed that's exactly what it does - cause us not to depend on God and He said, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" - not even LOA as good as it may seem or sound.

 

[Aggie]

The Holy Spirit rules...:heart2:

God bless you, jodie. More than words, God bless you

Yes He does Shimmie, yes He does.

 

[Shimmie]

Okay, I'm going to post some articles until I can post my own comparisons regarding this critical issue of Christians and the dangers of being involved in the loa.

The following article is located at: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/june/20.71.html

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/
Christianity Today, June, 2007 The Secret Exposed
Why Oprah and millions of readers can be wrong.
Mel Lawrenz | posted 6/18/2007 08:47AM

You can gain anything you want in life—wealth, health, the perfect mate, business success, respect from others—literally anything. That is the promise of the No. 1 best-selling book The Secret (Beyond Words). The editor, Rhonda Byrne, explains that "the secret" can be found in everything from Babylonian religion to Buddhism to Albert Einstein. The Secret (available as both a book and a DVD) is no secret now, however. It has become a global video event, a clever cross-promotional marketing plan, and a book touted by Oprah.


Byrne, an Australian television talk-show producer, discovered the secret just over two years ago. The book's contributors are described on the official website as: a "philosopher" who "developed The Science of Success and Harmonic Wealth® which teach [sic] people how to yield unlimited results in all areas: relationally, intellectually, physically, and spiritually" (James Arthur Ray); a "business building and moneymaking" expert (John Assaraf); a "doctor," "philosopher," and "international speaker" (John DeMartini); a "metaphysician" and "one of the top marketing specialists in the world" (Joe Vitale); and "a nonaligned, trans-religious progressive" (Michael Beckwith). Such titles reveal the new kind of gurus to whom millions of people give credence today.


The secret is simply "the law of attraction." Think about wealth, and you will become wealthy. Think about that new car, and it will come. Think about getting a good parking spot, and one will open up. Think about your ideal weight (really, dwell on that number, write it on your scale), and you will attract that reality to yourself. Byrne reports that since deciding her "perfect weight" was 116 pounds, she has reached it, and nothing has moved her from it, no matter what she does or eats.


"Thoughts are magnetic, and thoughts have a frequency," the book assures us. "As you think, those thoughts are sent out into the universe and they magnetically attract all like things that are on the same frequency. Everything sent out returns to the source. And that source is you."
Now here's the bad news: Whatever happens to you—the good and the bad—was attracted by your thoughts. Appendicitis? Auto accident? Poverty? You brought it on yourself.

Obsessed with the Self


Bible verses are misquoted. Ray, "an expert on many Eastern, indigenous, and mystical traditions," says: "Here's the question I want you to consider—do you treat yourself the way that you want other people to treat you?" Ray's twist on the Golden Rule becomes the ultimate form of self-centeredness. Oh, and you can attend Ray's "harmonic wealth weekend" for only $997. Somebody has figured out how to attract wealth to himself.


The Secret, you see, is all about the self—it's for the self, obsessed with the self.

Newsweek offers this critique: "On an ethical level, The Secret appears deplorable. It concerns itself almost entirely with a narrow range of middle-class concerns—houses, cars, and vacations, followed by health and relationships, with the rest of humanity a very distant sixth."


Professor Robert Thompson of Syracuse University says: "The Secret promises this heaven on Earth in one fell swoop by simply desiring something, by simply wanting it. It's amazing how we really are a nation of, at best, great optimists, at worst, real suckers."


What The Secret reveals is that so many people are so desperately unhappy that they will snatch up anything offering hope—or simply offering quick and easy wealth.



My question is, who will be there to pick up the pieces when they discover that they bought into a lie? And who will help the people who believe that they brought every misfortune on themselves because they sent negative thoughts and feelings out into the universe like a human radio transmitter?


How different from the message of Jesus: The first will be last, and the last will be first. Lose your life, and you will find it.

Seizing Faith


To illustrate the contrast, consider Pete Greig and his wife, Samie. The Greigs were energetic leaders of a prayer movement called 24-7, which began in England and expanded to dozens of countries. If anyone had the ability to move divine power, it was Pete. One morning six years ago, however, Samie awoke but felt as if her extremities were still asleep. Then, as Pete watched, helpless, Samie's body began to contort and convulse.
Testing revealed a brain tumor the size of an orange. Surgery followed. Successful surgery. But not complete healing. Samie had epilepsy, somewhat controlled by medication. At times, Pete still finds his wife convulsing on the ground where their two young boys go to school.


Pete, who wrote the new book God on Mute: Engaging the Silence of Unanswered Prayer, told me that on two occasions he prayed during a seizure and watched as the episode seemed miraculously to subside. But there have been hundreds of other seizures. Pete and Samie have experienced the kind of faith during which we throw ourselves on the mercy of God. We see such faith in the Thursday prayer of agony in the Garden of Gethsemane.



In Jesus' prayer from the cross on Good Friday. In the silence of Saturday. And then, finally, comes Sunday—Resurrection day.


Contrary to the real gospel, The Secret proclaims: "The universe is supporting me in everything I do. The universe meets all my needs immediately."


Byrne says she is most gratified to hear of children discovering The Secret. But having raised two kids, I've always thought that one of the most important lessons young people must realize is that the universe does not revolve around them, that they are not God. When we believe in a God above us, apart from us, beneath us, and for us—then we find help and hope.
_____________________________

Mel Lawrenz, senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin.
Copyright © 2007 Christianity Today. Click for reprint information.

 

[Shimmie]

I like this one...

http://law-of-attraction-for-christians.blogspot.com/2008/02/ultimate-law-of-attraction.html

Monday, February 11, 2008 The Ultimate Law of Attraction

The aim of creating this blog is too take a Christian stance to the recent buzz created by the movie and book the Secret on the age-old theory called the law of attraction. I have tried to explain that I feel deep within me that absolutely every body experiences this so-called law of attraction as sure as we all experience the warmth of the sun every day it shines without any consideration of whether we are good or bad, or to paraphrase what one of the teachers of the secret said, “…if anyone falls of a building, it doesn’t matter whether you are a good person or bad person, you’re gonna hit the ground.”

My issue is the god-like status they give you without realizing that if what they claim is completely true, we’d be living in a chaotic universe because everybody has different needs. If you want to get my point, go into a store or supermarket and watch shoppers making decisions and then changing their minds. If the catalog of the universe could be accessed like those of superstores, then you’d understand my point.

I don’t think its too much to repeat myself on some important points: there is a God who is in charge of this universe including our little home called planet earth. We need to align our desires with his will for us to make any important progress in this so-called manifesting process.



Sowing and reaping
I believe quite well that this is a spiritual universe. We need to sow the right words and I believe that once they are well planted in the spiritual, then definitely that seed would grow and produce fruits in the physical.

For me to say every word gets sown properly in the spiritual and definitely produces fruit in the physical would be like repeating what the teachers of the secret have been saying. Some words definitely produce fruits. One of the exercises given in the movie on the process of manifesting what you want is to start with a cup of coffee. Let me say again that if manifesting any thing you wanted could come no matter what, every teacher of the secret would be a least on the list of billionaires we have on earth.

Sowing seeds that would definitely germinate and produce fruits in reality.

“Look in the scroll of the Lord and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order and his Spirit will gather them together.” Isaiah 34:16

When the word of God and His Spirit work together in our words and prayers, then what I call the ultimate law of attraction takes place.

Let me give you another verse that confirms that:

“Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and there was light.” Genesis 1:2,3
You can see that with the Spirit of God and His Word working hand in hand, creation took place. This truth happens even today.

Most Christians who are serious with God study scriptures to know the mind of God. If you do that constantly and have a real relationship with your creator, then speaking His word in your life would definitely cause a real manifestation that would astound you.

Setting Intentions

The so-called teachers of The Secret and their students teach about the power of intentions. They say just set an intention and the universe would bring it to you unfailingly. Of recent, I visited the blog of Joe Vitale, one of the teachers, and I was surprised to see that he has completely reversed his opinion on intentions. He doesn’t believe you could just set any intention and have it granted. He presently prefers what he calls inspired intentions. He claims he prefers to have some form of inspiration on the intentions before sending them to the universe. That really proves that some of them are beginning to own up to the reality of the fact that a lot of their intentions don’t get manifested.

The truth is setting intentions is really like what are called declarations in some Christian circles. The difference here is the fact that the Christians would take a verse whether right or out of context to justify their needs and state it to God or just out aloud to the world, while the way it is presented by the teachers of The Secret is just to present your desires. In the end, whether we quote scripture or not, as long as it is strictly our desires we are interested in and nothing else, we are doing the very same thing but giving it different names.

I do not agree with the fact that just any man would open the scriptures all the time without having any relationship with God to understand His sovereign desires for the world and your role in it, and just make any intentions or declarations to the world or the universe and have it come to pass.

You want to experience the ultimate Law of Attraction? Have a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. His Holy Spirit will be given to you to guide you and begin to tell you your role in the divine scheme of things, and manifesting things in line with that role would become simply understandable, though not necessarily easy or fast. My last post about getting a job would explain to you how the word of God in Scripture and my relationship help to bring about the desired result. If the job was not in line with my role in God’s sovereign plan on earth, I’d have had to kiss that job good-bye.
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Ricky Macharm has a great free resource blog, http://law-of-attraction-for-christians.blogspot.com/ containing different articles. Visit today.
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There are some really good points in this article. I'm going to print it out and insert my comments and scripture references, then I'll post it. I'm not sure how soon, I'm still helping my mom since her discharge from the hospital, but I'll let the Lord lead me. He will. If I post it, it will be His will and leading, not mine. All will be shared in love.

Hugs and blessings everyone...

 

[MizzBrown]

The universe is supporting those folks? The universe meets all their needs immediately?

Thanks Shimmie, that was a good finding. It's so blatant that LOA is against God in my opinion. I just don't understand how folks don't see that.

 

[Shimmie]

I’m going to expose this to thousands of people!
I’m going to expose you for what you are!
I’ll make people see!

You’ll expose this to thousands
maybe even millions
but I’ll tell you what will happen

They will enjoy it
some will say “amen,”
some will forward it to others
but they won’t change

For each three thousand four hundred and twenty-two
who are mine who see this
only ONE will change
only ONE

You fool! Only one will change
I will keep the others

I also know this from experience
I’ve got and will keep most of you

ONE in 3,422!
I keep 3,421!
So what have you got to say about that?

Jesus already said it
"I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven
over ONE sinner who repents
than over ninety-nine just persons
who need no repentance.”
(Luke 15:7 NKJV)


If you are that one and wish to pray the Prayer of Salvation
CLICK HERE http://www.virtualchurch.com/salvation.html

I put this in here because of the many ways satan seek out to deceive us and how subtle he is in his approach to cause us to lose our souls. Be careful my sisters and brothers in Christ, know the wiles of the devil and resist him, he has no choice afterwards to flee from you. To him we are just bugs he wishes to squash.

Aggie, Aggie, Aggie....

Angel Aggie, I wrote in a post to you earlier in this thread, that God is using you to His glory and in a mighty way. The Holy Spirit is truly flowing in your heart.

I'm in tears, total tears as I'm typing, because if you only knew how much it means to see what God is doing here. God bless you and keep you far above the enemy. A pure woman of God you are.

Aggie, we can't afford to stagger in our faith. satan wants to 'water' us down as Christians to weaken us against him. God has simply used you and so many of us here to 'confirm' each other as we share God's word about this.

My heart is sadden for the precious hearts that I have personally offended. One has shared that she will not come back to this forum; I cried about that. But I couldn't break my stand; I couldn't sugar coat this issue. It's really that critical. And look what God has done. First you and now Jade. This is all God's doing. The sisters in this thread did not hold back God's word. And God IS going to have His way no matter what.

For you Angel Aggie I cannot thank God enough for you. This is all His glory and no one elses.

 

[Aggie]

Aggie, Aggie, Aggie....

Angel Aggie, I wrote in a post to you earlier in this thread, that God is using you to His glory and in a mighty way. The Holy Spirit is truly flowing in your heart.

I'm in tears, total tears as I'm typing, because if you only knew how much it means to see what God is doing here. God bless you and keep you far above the enemy. A pure woman of God you are.

Aggie, we can't afford to stagger in our faith. satan wants to 'water' us down as Christians to weaken us against him. God has simply used you and so many of us here to 'confirm' each other as we share God's word about this.

My heart is sadden for the precious hearts that I have personally offended. One has shared that she will not come back to this forum; I cried about that. But I couldn't break my stand; I couldn't sugar coat this issue. It's really that critical. And look what God has done. First you and now Jade. This is all God's doing. The sisters in this thread did not hold back God's word. And God IS going to have His way no matter what.

For you Angel Aggie I cannot thank God enough for you. This is all His glory and no one elses.

Thanks so much for your love and support of the Father's Kingdom Shimmie and your encouraging words. It pleases me to know that He is using all of us in the advancement of His kingdom for His glory, Amen.

 

[Shimmie]

How does something that is a principle of God, work without God ??????- That is a massive contradiction.

ETA: I just threw away my vision board. After reading this thread, it is like God was talking very strongly to me. I was spending my time looking at this vision board, instead of being on my knees praying and being in a relationship with God. I know how it is to say it has principles of the bible and that makes it okay, but it turns into a slippery slope to total non dependance on God.

I got so tired of being tired and I felt that God was holding back on me. But that doesnt change the fact that God is God, and I can only get to God, through the son, Jesus. He is the only one I should be looking at.

Wow... the enemy is very crafty indeed, but I refuse to hand him my soul!!!!!

Jade...

When I read your ETA, I just broke down and cried. I still have tears in my heart; tears of humility and thankfulness.

You have literally turned your back on the tricks of satan and turned your face and your heart toward God. And God will not hold back from you. He wants us to seek Him and no other. I've been there when I chose others and another way over His way. But God loved me so much that He just waited for me, until I turned around and chose Him.

You may have given up that board of materialism but God has not given up on your and neither the dreams that He has placed in your heart. You see, God gave us the dreams and desires, and is it any wonder that He wants to be the one to bring them into manisfestation in our lives. His dream, His gift of giving to us.

You have not lost, but have gained so much more by choosing to seek and receive from God and God alone. His ways are the 'High Ways' and the True ways, forever. AND His gifts are without repentence. He has no strings attached nor any regrets to bless us.

Look at what He gave me for you and for others who will receive His word:

[FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1]Psalm 31: 5
Into thine hand I COMMIT my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

Psalm 37: 5
COMMIT thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

http://cgi.godsview.com/cgi-bin/rcdenig/pdchap.pl?file=15795&occ=17Proverbs 16: 3
COMMIT thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

Jade, because you and Aggie chose to commit your hearts, your spirit unto the Lord, He has redeemed you, He the Lord God of Truth, not the loa.

As for your dreams and loa vision methods, by committing these unto the Lord, your thoughts shall be established. Ummmmm, that's that's REAL positive thinking. His thoughts which are higher than our thoughts and His ways are higher than our ways.

And by committing our works (our plans, dreams, goals, etc.) He will establish not only your thoughts, but He will bring them to pass. He will manifest them, the true way.

Love and blessings angels. Love and blessings far above and beyond your highest expectations. In Jesus's name, Amen and Amen. :heart2:
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We as sisters in Christ are all in this together. We have to pray and love our sisters back into the arms of Jesus and out of the hands of satan with this loa, for satan is out to sift them and sift them severely.

I know I have offended many, but I'd rather them be offended than destroyed. I care and love for them all, just that much. I truly do. Praise the name of Jesus, Amen.

 

[Shimmie]

[FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1]There's nothing God won't give to those who love Him and Trust Him. Of ourselves, we can do nothing.....The scripture below is so key to the deceptions of loa and the Christian Believer. To self-manifest is no good thing for nothing good is in us; it's only good if the manifestation comes from God.

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http://cgi.godsview.com/cgi-bin/rcdenig/pdchap.pl?file=15811&occ=1Romans 7:18 ...... For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing : for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1]http://cgi.godsview.com/cgi-bin/rcdenig/pdchap.pl?file=15803&occ=2
John 16:23 ..... Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, HE WILL GIVE it you.
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Matthew 6:33 ..........But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
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Psalm 84:11.......... For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: NO GOOD THING will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

Love and blessings
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[Shimmie]

The universe is supporting those folks? The universe meets all their needs immediately?

Thanks Shimmie, that was a good finding. It's so blatant that LOA is against God in my opinion. I just don't understand how folks don't see that.

For you and your loved ones, MizzBrown.

There's so much more ...so much. But in time, the Lord will allow us to post it as it comes. satan will still try to defend what he's doing and call it okay for Christians to participate in the methods of the loa.

Nevertheless, to God be the Glory....to God. For it is in Him, that we live and move and breath and have our being. In Him and no other.

In Jesus's Name, Amen and Amen.

 

[bluediamond0829]

How does something that is a principle of God, work without God ??????- That is a massive contradiction.

ETA: I just threw away my vision board. After reading this thread, it is like God was talking very strongly to me. I was spending my time looking at this vision board, instead of being on my knees praying and being in a relationship with God. I know how it is to say it has principles of the bible and that makes it okay, but it turns into a slippery slope to total non dependance on God.

I got so tired of being tired and I felt that God was holding back on me. But that doesnt change the fact that God is God, and I can only get to God, through the son, Jesus. He is the only one I should be looking at.

Wow... the enemy is very crafty indeed, but I refuse to hand him my soul!!!!!

Very true. i believe thats why i hesitated on doing a vision board and when i was going thru magazines i couldnt find anything like what my girl friend put together because it was materialistic IMO and it just didnt seem like needs and more of wants. And i believe the power of prayer is 100% more powerful anyday than visualizing on pictures of material items.

When i listened and went thru the dvd of the Secret and they were talking about the vision board the main thing that i did put in the center was God and the Church. But i dont see me visualizing on God and the Church on such a thing that is surrounded by objects and people.

I rather have put words on a board for inspiration but why do that like you stated just prayer along is more powerful than any board.

I'm glad i finally sat down and went thru the thread because I feel 100% better and feel that there are others that share my objections to the secret and its principals of thinking.

The Power of God is much more stronger.

 

[Theo]

Hmm... not much to add, but I only heard about The Secret and LOA from LHCF and when I peeked into those threads they rubbed me the wrong way. I wikipedia'd it, and while the was nothing really "wrong" about it, it still didn't seem right.... so I left it alone.

I also happened to come across a message by Joel Osteen on TV one day, and what he talked about seemed to be in a similar vein of what little that I had read on LOA. While none of his words had ever really bothered me (they never really stimulated me either), that particular message did (as did the fact that it was 15 min. long) and so now I don't listen to him either.

Anyways, there are a lot of gray areas in life, the navigating of which may not be explicitly outlined in Scripture, which is why one should live in line with the leading of the Holy Spirit. Though He may speak to us in different ways, He will never lead us astray or contradict Himself. I think focusing on yourself or your material wants and needs will only lead you to becoming distracted and less in tune with the voice of God in your life.

If you truly desire something, ask God to grant you the desires of your heart and LISTEN for His guidance to know what path He wants you to take. 1 Corinthians 2: 9 says, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them ..." So why limit yourself to only what you can envision for yourself.... we are so limited in our knowledge and experiences.... I personally want ALL of what God has for me, not just what I can comprehend!!!!

 

[delp]

A principle is still a principle. what goes up must come down. When you ignore him and his will you might not get his best. You are left with your own wisdom which even if you think it is best might not be best b/c you don't know the things to come.

 

[Aggie]

Very true. i believe thats why i hesitated on doing a vision board and when i was going thru magazines i couldnt find anything like what my girl friend put together because it was materialistic IMO and it just didnt seem like needs and more of wants. And i believe the power of prayer is 100% more powerful anyday than visualizing on pictures of material items.

When i listened and went thru the dvd of the Secret and they were talking about the vision board the main thing that i did put in the center was God and the Church. But i dont see me visualizing on God and the Church on such a thing that is surrounded by objects and people.

I rather have put words on a board for inspiration but why do that like you stated just prayer along is more powerful than any board.

I'm glad i finally sat down and went thru the thread because I feel 100% better and feel that there are others that share my objections to the secret and its principals of thinking.

The Power of God is much more stronger.

Hmm... not much to add, but I only heard about The Secret and LOA from LHCF and when I peeked into those threads they rubbed me the wrong way. I wikipedia'd it, and while the was nothing really "wrong" about it, it still didn't seem right.... so I left it alone.

I also happened to come across a message by Joel Osteen on TV one day, and what he talked about seemed to be in a similar vein of what little that I had read on LOA. While none of his words had ever really bothered me (they never really stimulated me either), that particular message did (as did the fact that it was 15 min. long) and so now I don't listen to him either.

Anyways, there are a lot of gray areas in life, the navigating of which may not be explicitly outlined in Scripture, which is why one should live in line with the leading of the Holy Spirit. Though He may speak to us in different ways, He will never lead us astray or contradict Himself. I think focusing on yourself or your material wants and needs will only lead you to becoming distracted and less in tune with the voice of God in your life.

If you truly desire something, ask God to grant you the desires of your heart and LISTEN for His guidance to know what path He wants you to take. 1 Corinthians 2: 9 says, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them ..." So why limit yourself to only what you can envision for yourself.... we are so limited in our knowledge and experiences.... I personally want ALL of what God has for me, not just what I can comprehend!!!!

A principle is still a principle. what goes up must come down. When you ignore him and his will you might not get his best. You are left with your own wisdom which even if you think it is best might not be best b/c you don't know the things to come.

Very well said bluediamond0829, freelove and delp.

 

[Ms.Honey]

I want to thank you ladies for breaking it down and explaining the tricks of the devil through his use of LOA.

The devil is a counterfeiter and wants to take the place of God. He also has a church and has many worshippers. He is the prince of the air and he dwells in the second heaven (the universe) where LOA'ers seek their help and the desires of their hearts. I think we tend to forget the subtlety of Lucifer and how hard he is trying to displace the Lord from His throne. Getting a Christian to fall for LOA is a big coup for him, something for him to rub in God's face.

Pretty soon the testimonies of the LOA'ers will start to change. Instead of memory boards with images of things for them to consume upon their own lusts, their boards will consist of request for healing of dreadful diseases, basic needs and restoration of their families behind this mess. That's how the devil does his children, he always has. He is unfaithful and discards as garbage those who who take what he offers them when he's through with them.

LOA is a belief system, a religion and they do not understand that they're practicing witchcraft. They've made the universe their source(his kingdom), supplier of their needs and desires of their hearts and are serving/worshipping, albeit unknowingly, satan the destroyer and father of lies.


Ladies let us please remember to keep ALL of the LOA'ers in prayer and intercede for them without ceasing. I for one am determined not to let Lucifer take one soul on my watch.

 

[tmichelle]

How does something that is a principle of God, work without God ??????- That is a massive contradiction.

ETA: I just threw away my vision board. After reading this thread, it is like God was talking very strongly to me. I was spending my time looking at this vision board, instead of being on my knees praying and being in a relationship with God. I know how it is to say it has principles of the bible and that makes it okay, but it turns into a slippery slope to total non dependance on God.

I got so tired of being tired and I felt that God was holding back on me. But that doesnt change the fact that God is God, and I can only get to God, through the son, Jesus. He is the only one I should be looking at.

Wow... the enemy is very crafty indeed, but I refuse to hand him my soul!!!!!

Yay! May the Lord bless you with every spiritual gift for taking this step of faith.

 

[tmichelle]

A principle is still a principle. what goes up must come down. When you ignore him and his will you might not get his best. You are left with your own wisdom which even if you think it is best might not be best b/c you don't know the things to come.

Yep. Not a good idea to ignore God.

 

[Mamita]

i haven't written in a long time in this forum...
i just wanted to add my 2 cents, i haven't read all the answers but a pahe and a half out of 6)

to me and any real hardcore christian we KNOW that everything we have comes from the Lord. Now people really seekign God and trying to please him and live the way he has always intended for us to live, the rules are not the same as people in the world.

U'll have people in the world saying it worked for them and why not... alot of things happen in the world that don't concern us (us the truly baptised in the water, saved, holy ghost filled people (i'm still seeking btw i don't claim i'm saved)). Now if u are a real christian (as in Christ like not as in the religion) u'll never ever claim that anything u have comes from the power of ur own will or spirit or suggestion or whatever bullcrap the secret claims. U KNOW it's all the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ ALL OF IT

those who are offended i'm sorry but this is my view, those who agree, u know who u are and what u stand for

 

[PaperClip]

About this vision board thingie....

I had a "vision board" LONG BEFORE I ever heard of loa/the secret.

It's my visual version of my PROFESSION OF FAITH...my life plan/desires in pictures supported by the Word of God. It has pictures and magazine cut-outs of my wedding dress (yes, it is the Lord's will for me to be married); babies/family (yes, it is the Lord's will for me to bear children); my career aspirations (yes, it is the Lord's will for me to have a viable and enjoyable career); and various words and phrases that also align with the Word of God.

The Bible says to write the vision and make it plain (Habakkuk 2:2)

 

[Highly Favored8]

About this vision board thingie....

I had a "vision board" LONG BEFORE I ever heard of loa/the secret.

It's my visual version of my PROFESSION OF FAITH...my life plan/desires in pictures supported by the Word of God. It has pictures and magazine cut-outs of my wedding dress (yes, it is the Lord's will for me to be married); babies/family (yes, it is the Lord's will for me to bear children); my career aspirations (yes, it is the Lord's will for me to have a viable and enjoyable career); and various words and phrases that also align with the Word of God.

The Bible says to write the vision and make it plain (Habakkuk 2:2)

I have done this as well.