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Can anyone give an example of what they consider to be arrogant behavior from her? I think confidence comes in all forms, some that are more endearing than others. But to say that someone is arrogant is to say that they demonstrate a belief that they are better than or superior to someone else. I really don't get that from her.

I don't find her arrogant either. Some don't like the way she talks I guess (too educated or white-sounding maybe? like they used to say back in my grammar school days), but there's always someone who doesn't like someone for some trivial reason like that. Still, she does her homework and does it well. She's a great resource and I like that she simply does her with no qualms and has fun with it too.
 
DH suggested this but I really hope that her obvious education is not the reason people find her condescending. She has a professorial tone, which is perfect for the information she is trying to convey.

I don't find her arrogant either. Some don't like the way she talks I guess (too educated or white-sounding maybe? like they used to say back in my grammar school days), but there's always someone who doesn't like someone for some trivial reason like that. Still, she does her homework and does it well. She's a great resource and I like that she simply does her with no qualms and has fun with it too.
 
I just spent the better part of the day researching her videos. I am quite impressed (LHCF is the only hair forum I go to, so I wasn't aware of the same recipe for the leave in condish). Then I promptly proceeded straight to the local Whole Foods store (I don't frequent that kind of store because I dislike the attitude of the yuppies there, but I did see a lot of sisters there in the hair care and vits ailse. I wondered how many were Nikos Cousins too. They all had beautifull hair or were protective styling). I made the leave in and will update with my review tomorrow, but already, my ends feel really soft and my hair is pretty shiny compared to what it normally looks like.
 
i admit that when i listen to her narratives my ears feel like they should be bleeding but her heart is in the right place, the information she imparts is terribly useful and that the frustration she occasionally expression is just that...frustration...

but let's not forget...she's human....she's not going to be able to please everyone and you know what, that's okay...

now group hug ladies...who's with me? :)
 
Well, I tried her leave in condish recipe on my 9 year old today, and I am SO impressed. I didn't even measure everything out- just eyeballed it- and my DD's hair is as supple as ever! I even let her air dry while her hair was still loose (I normally braid her hair while its wet), and it was STILL soft and supple when it dried. This never happens, as her 3c/4a hair is prone to dryness.

I'm a believer!
 
Whenever a new natural or someone early in their HHJ asks me a question I provide advice and also point them to kimmay. Mind you, I have a channel but I know it's not on the same level of Kimmay's. The technology and equipment, let alone the research takes plenty of time. While she may not come across as "everyone's home girl" she's helpful and if I have learned quite a bit. I for one think that she will be able to accomplish her goal and be one of the most visible natural personalities on YT. I'll go a step further and say that if she every concocts other hair moisturizers and markets them she'll do very well. I won't buy from other youtubers with "secret ingredients" on their ingredients list. However, knowing Kimmay she'd list everything after carefully measuring and testing things out.
 
Well, I tried her leave in condish recipe on my 9 year old today, and I am SO impressed. I didn't even measure everything out- just eyeballed it- and my DD's hair is as supple as ever! I even let her air dry while her hair was still loose (I normally braid her hair while its wet), and it was STILL soft and supple when it dried. This never happens, as her 3c/4a hair is prone to dryness.

I'm a believer!

I have been using a similar leavein for my daughters braids that is sprayed on every night and her hair has been fantastic since then. I found the recipe on Motowngirl back in '98. I use conditioner and aloevera gel plus oils. I never thought to use equal amounts of conditioner to aloevera (I used aloevera gel, thats all I had and I added oils to each section instead of to the mix). Well tonight on my hair I tried it on my hair and I have to say I am also impressed. My usual leave-ins were just not working on the more texlaxed portions of my hair they remained tangly and dry no matter what. Also my dyed ends just were not feeling right to me. I know now it is becuause my cuticles were not completly closed.

My hair is soft and shiney as all get out, I am so happy I could just scream, yes I said scream. I just purchased some PH test strips off of ebay so I can test my leave ins to see which ones to add aloe to.
 
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whats the problem with her voice? I love hearing clear un-brocken English it makes the videos easy to understand and she sounds very professional. I guess some folks would rather hear a loud country accent, i guess..lol
 
Love her knowledge, personality, and videos. Her videos are very informative and scientific. Her hair looks very healthy and strong.
 
Another one of the reasons she says she talks so slow is to accomodate the closed captioning, for her hearing impaired viewers. :yep:
 
OMG! I thought I was the only one! I respect her and her channel is flawless but IMO she has the tendency to be a little condescending. IDK it's something about the way she responds to different questions, she just sounds confrontational and easily exasperated. Like if you want to be the largest voice globally you should probably get used to these questions! Also I sometimes don't think she understands that there isn't ONE best way to care for natural hair. There are many that work for some and don't work for others. (i.e. crisco) Okay mini rant over her hair is gorgeous tho!:grin:
ETA: MzLizziA said it before me


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Her voice is a bit off-putting but I love her hair! Her hair is growing like a weed! She gives some really great info. I like her channel.
 
I too thought people thought she sounded too educated or "sounded white" but then I thought surely grown women in 2010 still didn't have those notions. But I guess the people that don't like her voice or "tone" probably like Ateyaa (whose voice and diction (or lack thereof) is annoying to me at times).

I watched the Naturals Need to Grow Up video. And frankly, she was right. Those of you that had issues with what she said....the guilty will always put themselves on front street.

It's enough that naturals especially have to deal with ignorance from others outside of the natural hair community, but it's frustrating to get this kind of negativity, criticism and just basic hate and jealousy from "your own" (fellow naturals).

So I say if you don't like her voice, make your own videos (with the same attention to research, scientific knowledge and detail).
 
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Lol@how meta this thread has gotten

Folks are being condescending in responding to claims of kimmay's condescension. "I guess some people just don't like that she speaks proper, clear English". Yep, that's it, cuz us black folk like'ta talk like dis and our ears be bleeding at the sound of enunciated, "standard" English. Nevermind the many reasonable explanations that have been provided to the contrary; why take those into account when you can come up with your own presumptuous reason that makes it easier to dismiss others' criticism? (h/t to the op for actually asking for people to explain further rather than automatically dismissing or assuming things)There are certainly people whose dislike of kimmay is rooted in pettiness and/or insecurity but the majority of dissent hasn't been about that.

Now, I used to be a self-professed kimmay fan. I tolerated her didactic tone (which, as others have pointed out differs from the conversational, extemporaneous tone of other YTers) because I appreciated that her videos were going for an overall sensibility that was more professional and structured and that doing voice-overs would naturally lead to such a tone. However, I can understand why that tone would be enough to turn some peopIe off.

Tone aside, I had some inklings of her condescenscion/arrogance but I filed them away as "things that make you go hmmm" - isolated tidbits that could be misconstrued. In hindsight, they were part of a larger pattern - the same pattern which others have noted. I think this pattern is part of a deliberate agenda/marketing shtick. My last straw was the baking soda video. Between the overt tone and the figurative and literal subtext of the video, I made a reasoned decision to unsubscribe. (I can go into specific examples if anyone wants)

I very much appreciate the time, effort, creativity and research that go into kimmay's videos - it's not only reflected in the production value, but also orientation around "why?" and "how?" instead of "what?". Kimmay's videos stand out as unique because of their educational slant. However, she's gone beyond being descriptive to being prescriptive, and, sometimes abrasively, proscriptive. I said in a thread that I started a while back that I appreciated her approach of teaching people how to fish (the basics of hair and hair care) instead of handing them fish on a silver platter (simply listing what products she uses with little explanation of why they work). It seems like she's now started telling people that they're fishing the wrong way - even though they have a boatload of fine fish to show for it.

I know people are enamored with the novelty of her professional, educational approach but that does not mean that she's beyond reproach. Having a uniquely high production value doesn't necessarily make her any more or less arrogant/condescending. Also, a well-produced and seemingly well-researched video does not make her the final authority on hair. So while I'm sure her videos have taught viewers a lot about fundamental aspects of hair and haircare, I really hope that viewers are ultimately convicted to be more analytical, and to include kimmay's content in the range of things which require analysis. It's one thing to tolerate a particular tone, it's another thing to tolerate inacurracy.

My decision to unsubscribe and my observation that she can be arrogant does not mean that I don't appreciate her efforts, that I'm incapable of being satisfied or anything else in the litany of accusations. I haven't completely written off the idea of buying some products from luvnaturals. I guess one could argue that we buy products from entities who very well might be more arrogant than kimmay or outright "bad". The thing is, when you choose to build a brand around yourself, it's reasonable and just that consumers will take your [perceived] personailty into account of whether or not to support facets of that brand. Moreover, when one of your products is videos - in which information along with your personality, opinions, idiosyncrasies and delivery are at the forefront- than all those things will serve as a basis for people's opinion of and decision to consume said product. If she was selling curtains through an online retail store, I should hardly think that that the criticisms in this thread would be made or would matter.

This is the first I'm hearing of the "why naturals need to grow up" video. I haven't watched it yet but based on the title and reactions, I have a feeling that viewing it would erase whatever iota of regret resulted from my decision to unsubscribe and further confirm the agenda that I've noticed. I also have a feeling that she probably hits on something that has some kernel of truth, which would only make her fans more assured in their dismissal of any criticisms.
 
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Oh yeah, and the false dichotomies always crack me up. :lachen: "If you don't like Kimmay, you must like Ateeya."

There's so much in between and I do sincerely hope (and believe) that more and more YTers will fill the well-produced, well-researched "niche" that kimmay is known for. And do so with less condescension and self-righteousness. :yep:
 
I do appreciate the way she packages readily available and useful information.

OT: If you do not like a movie or tv show, do people tell you to go make your own? No, but it always happens with YTers.
 
I do appreciate the way she packages readily available and useful information.

OT: If you do not like a movie or tv show, do people tell you to go make your own? No, but it always happens with YTers.


Actually...they do. Same thing for writers, poets, actors, actresses, etc. That's the beauty of a free market and creative society. If you don't like the way someone is doing something, you are free to go and create your own.
 
Oh yeah, and the false dichotomies always crack me up. :lachen: "If you don't like Kimmay, you must like Ateeya."

There's so much in between and I do sincerely hope (and believe) that more and more YTers will fill the well-produced, well-researched "niche" that kimmay is known for. And do so with less condescension and self-righteousness. :yep:


It's easy for those that don't and won't produce videos to pass judgement on those that do. And the dichotomy is not false....just may not be applicable to you.
 
...she may not come across as "everyone's home girl" ...
That's exactly why I like her: no "keeping it real" language (which just means cursing and slang to me), no lip-smacking, no pet phrases, etc. To me, her tone is as professional as most of her videos.
 
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I'm sorry but uhhh..did you all see the Naturals Need To Grow Up video with all those added annotations? I guess that's what shocked me the most. Some of it just seemed petty and beneath her. It's like..hmm..how do I say this? She just seemed better then that and like I wouldn't expect to see something like that on her channel.

Maybe on some younger YT's channels but not hers. It's not the way she talks. I "talk white" too if you ask some black people BUT it's more that she speaks so darn slow and I feel like I am watching an educational video at school.

Hair care is fun to me. I like to keep my videos that way too.

ETA- I know why she talks the way she does I saw that video as well, but it still makes for a boring watch for me.
 
Actually...they do. Same thing for writers, poets, actors, actresses, etc. That's the beauty of a free market and creative society. If you don't like the way someone is doing something, you are free to go and create your own.

Really...so one should not express an opinion on a service, product, entertainment, education, politics, etc. unless they are willing to participate or produce on their own? :perplexed You can only express positive opinions or keep quiet. :ohwell:
 
I'm sorry but uhhh..did you all see the Naturals Need To Grow Up video with all those added annotations? I guess that's what shocked me the most. Some of it just seemed petty and beneath her. It's like..hmm..how do I say this? She just seemed better then that and like I wouldn't expect to see something like that on her channel.

Maybe on some younger YT's channels but not hers. It's not the way she talks. I "talk white" too if you ask some black people BUT it's more that she speaks so darn slow and I feel like I am watching an educational video at school.

Hair care is fun to me. I like to keep my videos that way too.

ETA- I know why she talks the way she does I saw that video as well, but it still makes for a boring watch for me.
Personally, I didn't see the "Naturals Need to Grow Up" video. I subscribe to kimmaytube's channel, but I'm not interested in, nor do I watch all her videos. Those I have seen are interesting and well-done.

Point taken about speech pattern and accent. It's unfair to assume that some posters might be confusing it with arrogance.
 
Just wanted to add that, until you make YT videos, you don't know what it's like to have people just go in on your FOR NO REASON. Asking you outrageous things about your personal life, talking badly about the way you look, asking stupid questions, asking you questions that you clearly answer in the video. Telling you how you should do things... All the opinions and judgments and nastiness on YouTube can drive you crazy if you let it.

And don't for one minute have a voice devoid of dialect (and ignorance,) then you become a condescending white person. Sigh. People just want you to be who they want you to be.
 
It's easy for those that don't and won't produce videos to pass judgement on those that do.
It is easy. Does that invalidate my judgement - what bearing does it have on the arguments I've presented? Would my judgement be more correct if I was one of those who "does or will" produce?
And the dichotomy is not false....just may not be applicable to you.
Actually, it's the other way around. The fact that some people who don't like kimmay's videos may happen to like ateeya's videos does not make the dichotomy you and others have presented any less false.

Actually...they do. Same thing for writers, poets, actors, actresses, etc. That's the beauty of a free market and creative society. If you don't like the way someone is doing something, you are free to go and create your own.

Really...so one should not express an opinion on a service, product, entertainment, education, politics, etc. unless they are willing to participate or produce on their own? :perplexed You can only express positive opinions or keep quiet. :ohwell:
Just a trite line of reasoning that's used to avoid responding to legitimate criticism.

The beauty of the free market and creative society is not only that it's possible for those who dissent to produce their own; the beauty is also that producers are accountable to consumers and that consumers are free to express their dissent. It seems to be lost on some that that production and consumption are complementary forces which are equally important. The fact that it is possible to produce does not and should not lessen or invalidate the decisive, opinionated power of the consumer. And looking at it from an economic perspective of competitive advantages, it doesn't make sense for every consumer who has a less-than-stellar opinion of a product to produce their own alternative.
 
^^ I subscribed. Its worth supporting especially for the fact that she gave out information on making money on youtube that I never knew about
 
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