Keratin Treatment Support Thread

DH did not provide the protective coating on my strands the way that Global did. My hair actually tangled in the shower for the first time after using DH.

I've been loading up with conditioners with proteins and cones in them to prevent tangling and to give my strands some protection.

I really wish I hadn't tried DH to be honest. I know everyone's different and our hair repsonds differently, however my hair did not like DH over the long run. I may have used the wrong applicaition technique or something since I was used to using Global or OK Keratin.
 
mstar said:
Thanks AJJ. I am going to use my MSM oil right now...it always makes my scalp feel great.

Well, the BKT solution was rinsed out of my hair the next day (it was the 1-day formula that could've been washed immediately, but we decided to let it stay on overnight, per the advice I got from several members here before the treatment.) Are you saying that it's important to do another wash a few days after the treatment?

I have a few good sulfate-free shampoos (the ones from Cocoa Pink are great), but are you guys using Elucence shampoos? Don'tspeakdefeat told me she uses it, but that made me confused...because Elucence contains sulfates. Elucence shampoos are my favorites, so I'd love to be able to keep using them with the BKT.
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I didn't know you had it washed the next day.

I just purchased the Elucence claifiying shampoo. I think most people have been using it without problems.
 
sorry bout that was just doing a test....


SOOOOO. I done the BKT today after having braids for 3 years. My hair is around bra strap length although the ends are a bit jagged.
I have a few questions for all you lovey ladies...

1. I did the dream hair which is cool, but Its not as a detangling as a strand test I did once with QOD. I want to do another app next week, and was wondering if dreamhair becomes more detangling with each app. Im from the uk so I cant just keep ordering stuff from america (its very expensive)! What do you guys think of this?

2. What will happen if one was to mix keratin formulas? I have some qod left and i was thinking to mix it with dream hair. is this a bad idea? has anybody ever done this?

3. For dreamhair users, how do you find your hair has got on with each application?

4. what is the best treatment for dentangling? is there anyone who disagrees with my comment on dreamhair?

cheers guys!!!

D
 
hmm denise, i don't think i can answer any of the questions since i've only used DH. i have nothing to compare it to.
 
^^^ I know, right? I've BKT'd several times but I've only used global and dreamhair. I'll say that I love the way my hair looks with the dreamhair in. In that respect, perhaps I can cycle it; using Global one treatment, and dreamhair the next. But dreamhair does next to nil for me on the detangling end. Now I only used an ounce for my whole head and I'm APL. So maybe it's an amount thing?

Global was a beast at detangling but my hair never looked nearly as good straight as it did when I flat ironed with the Dreamhair in. Global seemed to provide more of a coating that took forever, it seemed, to go away. Which was kinda cool since I was wearing my hair curly like all the time.

I know I'm dying to try OK Keratin but I've got this whole unopened bottle of dh acai. I dunno... maybe I'll sell it on ebay and buy me some OK lol... But I'm torn since I know I'll never be able to buy another bottle of dreamhair as cheap as I bought that one. Decisions.. decisions...
 
by the way,
I just did a test strand of a mixture of qod and dreamhair and so far the hair feels incredible. Its got a layer of bkt underneath so that obviouly helped, but Ive test stranded two layers before and its never like this.
My only worry is that the different chemicals in the different formulas could be incompatible or something, which is why I leave it a week and see how it goes. I know Encanto cant be Mixed with other formulas but this seems to have worked. I suppose it shouldnt really damage the hair anyway as there is already a layer of BKT covering the cuticle.
The mix gives the protection/detanglin of QOD but has made the hair very loose (maybe 2b,3a). Neither two layers of dream hair or qod have done this before (yes Ive done a lot of test strands!)

Sheba, do you have any tips on what can cause damage on BKT'd hair? I dont want to have breakage ever again !
 
^^^ Hey there, Denise, I think maybe the same things that cause damage to hair, overall cause damage to BKT'd hair. It just seems that the BKT makes the hair more resilient. I find my hair responds best when I still treat my BKT'd hair as if there is no additional layer of protection. I continue to wear protective styles most of the time and DC with great concoctions and my hair truly thanks me.

My plan is to always avoid heat except during the BKT process. And even then, it's not much more heat than a regular flat iron. I plan to roller set and silk wrap for straight hair when I finally begin wearing my hair straight (at around MBL or so).
 
AtlantaJJ said:
Did you notice if the DC before the BKT stopped the BKT from adhering to the hair at the roots? Or have you washed yet since you touched up your roots.
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This is the second time I've DC just prior to BKT application, and the first time, the treatment adhered just fine. I', not washing my hair until tomorrow, so I'll do another update then. Congrats on transitioning!
 
AtlantaJJ said:
DH did not provide the protective coating on my strands the way that Global did. My hair actually tangled in the shower for the first time after using DH.

I've been loading up with conditioners with proteins and cones in them to prevent tangling and to give my strands some protection.

I really wish I hadn't tried DH to be honest. I know everyone's different and our hair repsonds differently, however my hair did not like DH over the long run. I may have used the wrong applicaition technique or something since I was used to using Global or OK Keratin.
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JJ, I always appreciate your honest reviews of DH. Since it's the only one I have tried I have nothing to compare it too. My roots have reverted QUICKLY with this last DH treatment and I used more of the solution this time. I did turn the heat down so I don't know if that is the reason for the reversion.
Someone in the exchange forum is selling samples of 4% Global but I was worried about the fumes. I still have to get the QOD Gold. I think I'm going to hold off on Encanto until I have heard more reviews. I have read enough reviews about the QOD and Global brands to feel comfortable about trying those out.
 
AtlantaJJ said:
I didn't know you had it washed the next day.

I just purchased the Elucence claifiying shampoo. I think most people have been using it without problems.
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Yay! I'll keep my Elucence poos in rotation, then. It's good to know that only the harsher sulfates like SLS/ALS cause problems.

My stylist asked me to come in next week for a free scalp treatment and deep condition, to get my scalp health back on track. I thought that was a nice gesture.
 
Muse said:
JJ, I always appreciate your honest reviews of DH. Since it's the only one I have tried I have nothing to compare it too. My roots have reverted QUICKLY with this last DH treatment and I used more of the solution this time. I did turn the heat down so I don't know if that is the reason for the reversion.
Someone in the exchange forum is selling samples of 4% Global but I was worried about the fumes. I still have to get the QOD Gold. I think I'm going to hold off on Encanto until I have heard more reviews. I have read enough reviews about the QOD and Global brands to feel comfortable about trying those out.
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See I have fine light fluffy cotton hair so I like things that coat my hair and give it weight. I can see why someone with course hair with thick strands would like DH because it really gets the hair straight. That's not good for a fine cotton headed gal like myself. Also because my hair is fine I don't have much cuticle layer to play with and I feel DH did nothing to protect my cuticle. With that said, Ok 2% and Global 4% did a much better job for me. My cotton hair likes protein and cones. I am not sure what DH has in its list of ingredients because I have only received a sample.

I had a slight set back with the DH, so I'm going to wear protective styles and DC for a while to get back in shape. The good news is that I caught it in time and I know what to do to get things back in order. No more brand hopping for me. :nono:
 
AtlantaJJ said:
See I have fine light fluffy cotton hair so I like things that coat my hair and give it weight. I can see why someone with course hair with thick strands would like DH because it really gets the hair straight. That's not good for a fine cotton headed gal like myself. Also because my hair is fine I don't have much cuticle layer to play with and I feel DH did nothing to protect my cuticle. With that said, Ok 2% and Global 4% did a much better job for me. My cotton hair likes protein and cones. I am not sure what DH has in its list of ingredients because I have only received a sample.

I had a slight set back with the DH, so I'm going to wear protective styles and DC for a while to get back in shape. The good news is that I caught it in time and I know what to do to get things back in order. No more brand hopping for me. :nono:
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See, I agree with the bolded, if a treatment is working for you stick with it. Since we are dealing with high heat with these treatments we need to know that whatever is on our heads is doing its job and protecting like it should. Using the wrong brand can cause MAJOR setbacks. If I find that this QOD gold is really working for the HEALTH (not just the initial feel) of my hair then I am sticking with it, not even interested in playing the guinea pig.:nono: If there is one thing that I continuously learn from this board it's that you can't always follow the hype.
 
Muse said:
See, I agree with the bolded, if a treatment is working for you stick with it. Since we are dealing with high heat with these treatments we need to know that whatever is on our heads is doing its job and protecting like it should. Using the wrong brand can cause MAJOR setbacks. If I find that this QOD gold is really working for the HEALTH (not just the initial feel) of my hair then I am sticking with it, not even interested in playing the guinea pig.:nono: If there is one thing that I continuously learn from this board it's that you can't always follow the hype.
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I have a feeling you will like QOD Gold, I put it in the class with Global, and OK Keratin. Its one of the original tried and true brands. :yep:
 
deniseAlder said:
sorry bout that was just doing a test....


SOOOOO. I done the BKT today after having braids for 3 years. My hair is around bra strap length although the ends are a bit jagged.
I have a few questions for all you lovey ladies...


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Hi Denise

Did you do the BKT yourself or at a salon?
I'm thinking of doing mine in a few months when the braids come down
 
AtlantaJJ said:
I have a feeling you will like QOD Gold, I put it in the class with Global, and OK Keratin. Its one of the original tried and true brands. :yep:
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Do you order QOD from the website? Its expensive for one bottle, how long does it last you?

I have Coppola on my hair now, but after 3 years in braids I think I will need another treatment or to change up the product. I had it done at a salon and my ends are crazy frizzy. When I go in next week I will have her cut more hair
How soon can you apply another treatment?

Thanks!
 
hi guys,

I need help.
So ive had my hair in braids for three years manages to grow to waste length, with very damage ends. I took my hair out last week, and it was very thick, but tangled. I had to style it a bit with a blow try and flat ironing in large chunks. I then did a tangra treatment the next day which involve brushing my ends on clarified hair. My hair was little thinner, but fine.
I decided to a BKT the following day. I did dream hair. Already my ends seemed to be thin, and I was aware that dreamhair wasnt as protecting as QOD. I did another treament a few days later. I know it seems kinda obvious but now my hair has lost quite a lot of length and the ends are thinning still.
Do you think this was inevitable because of the braiding?
Will it stop?!?!
Did anyone else find this with BKT?
Im think I will get it cut, taking it to a couple of inches below my shoulders! but Im really sad I spent so long growing it. Anyone got any growth tips?

I think I have to brave and get the end cut otherwise they will plague me forever!

Im also considering getting it cut then having twists with natural hair extensions, and conditioning them everyday, do you think this anygood?
 
Denise,

I was in braids for 3 years too and recently had the Coppola Keratin treatment
applied at the salon. I'm not sure if the treatment wasn't applied to the ends or just really
"Dead ends". The stylist cut off at least 3 inches and I feel she needs to cut off more.
My hair out of braids was about 3 inches past my shoulders. I'm ok with cutting my hair because
I know it will grow back stronger. But these ends or dry looking and no need to keep them... Especially since the only
way I can do anything with them is to apply heat.

I'm a work in progress, but I plan on cutting my hair next week and applying another treatment in 2
weeks. I read here and heard from others it takes a few treatments to get the full effect
when coming from a true natural state, with no relaxer or color.
 
thanks!
I think I will cut my hair two. I will take of two inches from the bottom and inch from the top layers. I just want long hair! It suits me!
 
I know there was some talk about the Escanto BKT a few pages back. Has anyone ordered and applied it yet?
 
I purchased the encanto and im waiting for it to arrive... i think i jumped the gun though :look: Seems like QOD Gold may have been a better next choice for me.

I had such great results with DH that im sad to hear all the bad news about customer service and pricing :nono: so im on the lookout for an alternative.
 
I am with the gals that were disappointed with dreamhair too. I have used it twice so far. I am glad I did not get the big bottle.
I have BKTed with softliss, and dreamhair.
I was happy with softliss on my relaxed hair, but it did not do anthing for my new growth (so I thought). However detangling was a breeze both time I used it, and the effect lasted a while.
Dreamhair on the other hand looked and felt awesome in the beguinning, on both the relaxed portion and the new growth. After about 2 washes, it was tangle city. I lose hair now because of too much tangles.
So I am definitely not buying dreamhair again.
I have one more aplication left out of my softliss, then I need to decide if I stick with it or try qod gold.
 
Diamond75 said:
Do you order QOD from the website? Its expensive for one bottle, how long does it last you?

I have Coppola on my hair now, but after 3 years in braids I think I will need another treatment or to change up the product. I had it done at a salon and my ends are crazy frizzy. When I go in next week I will have her cut more hair
How soon can you apply another treatment?

Thanks!
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Hey Diamond, if you're getting it done in the salon, you might want to ask about Marcia Teixeira. I believe it's a salon-only brand, and it gave me GREAT resuts on my natural hair. I still can't believe that this is my hair, LOL.

They offered Copolla at my salon, but I passed because I had heard not-so-great things about it. So it might just be the brand that's causing the frizziness. My hair was not in the world's greatest condition when I got the treatment (I had been in braids for a couple of years), but the Marcia Teixeira smoothed it out and made it look very healthy.
 
I want to BKT this week since my Escanto BKt has arrived ... Here is the dilemma

I was going to get my natural cnapp hair straighten at a salon so they can do a good trim... and then the next week apply the BKT but I really dont want to go to a salon, my last salon visit was horrible and my hair only stayed straight for 4 hr....

So I'm thinking of BKT on tomorrow /Thursday self trimming and going to the salon maybe in 2 weeks... What do you ladies think..
 
nubiangoddess3 said:
I want to BKT this week since my Escanto BKt has arrived ... Here is the dilemma

I was going to get my natural cnapp hair straighten at a salon so they can do a good trim... and then the next week apply the BKT but I really dont want to go to a salon, my last salon visit was horrible and my hair only stayed straight for 4 hr....

So I'm thinking of BKT on tomorrow /Thursday self trimming and going to the salon maybe in 2 weeks... What do you ladies think..
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I don't see why you need to go to the salon at all if you can apply your own BKT and are capable of self trimming... IMHO.
 
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