Keep getting split ends. HALP

[GraceJones]

Idk what I’m doing wrong. I haven’t used heat in my hair for about a year and a half. I used to blow dry about 1x a month on low setting once a month with Tresemme heat protectant. No flatirons or hot combs ever.

I only use heat to DC. I wash and DC about 1x a week or every 2 weeks. What gives? I see some splits wayyyy up the shaft also. I only trim about 1x a year or so because my hair grows superrrr slow. I take biotin vitamins but it still grows slow. My longest layer is at my nape and it a little past APL. The layer towards the front of my hair is at my collarbone.

 

[Lute]

I have questions I want to ask since I don't know about our hair. Also I'm not a hair dresser. But sometimes, it can be something technical that causes your hair breakage.

1. Natural or Relaxed
2. What tools do you use to detangle your hair.
3. How often do you use protein vs moisturizing hair treatment
4. How do you blow dry your hair and what kind of blow dryer do use
5. Do you normally wear your hair in a bun and if you do what do you use to hold up your hair
6. What do you use to moisturize/seal your hair
7. How do you normally wear your hair when your not going out.

 

[Napp]

Pictures?

 

[GraceJones]

I have questions I want to ask since I don't know about our hair. Also I'm not a hair dresser. But sometimes, it can be something technical that causes your hair breakage.

1. Natural or Relaxed
2. What tools do you use to detangle your hair.
3. How often do you use protein vs moisturizing hair treatment
4. How do you blow dry your hair and what kind of blow dryer do use
5. Do you normally wear your hair in a bun and if you do what do you use to hold up your hair
6. What do you use to moisturize/seal your hair
7. How do you normally wear your hair when your not going out.

1. Natural 4c

2. The Felicia Leatherwood brush or this brush here. I can't find the exact one but it looks like this. As of recently in the past few months I've just used my fingers with DC and scissors when I get to smaller knots that I can't pull out with my fingers. I also use a soft boar bristle brush to smooth my buns.

3. I don’t use protein. My hair is super dry so I typically use the following:

I just recently started using this too. I bought it during Black Friday.

4. I don’t blow dry any more, but when I did I would use a comb attachment on low with this:

5. Yes, I wear my hair in a ponytail and twist or braid the end. I use a brand similar to this:

6. I use this to moisturize and seal:

I also bought a bunch of the Camille Rose leave-ins for Black Friday but haven't used them yet.

I use this to make my bun smooth:

7. I usually have my silk scarf from the BSS on my head when I come home. I also have silk pillowcases on my bed.

 

[Lute]

The 2 things that stood out to me, is the amount of friction you put on your hair with the scrunchies and the hair brushing.

Have you ever thought about using silk scrunchies. To minimize any type of rubbing on your hair strands. This is what I use

Kitsch Satin Hair Scrunchies for Women, Softer Than Silk Scrunchies for Hair, Satin Scrunchies for Girls, Satin Hair Ties for Women, Silk Hair Ties No Damage, Silk Ponytail Holders, 5 pcs (Black) <-- Amazon Link ​

How often do you bun your hair and use the boar bristle brush?
Even thought they say Boar bristle brushes are for our hair. Is it a legitimate boar bristle brush?

 

[GraceJones]

The 2 things that stood out to me, is the amount of friction you put on your hair with the scrunchies and the hair brushing.

Have you ever thought about using silk scrunchies. To minimize any type of rubbing on your hair strands. This is what I use

Kitsch Satin Hair Scrunchies for Women, Softer Than Silk Scrunchies for Hair, Satin Scrunchies for Girls, Satin Hair Ties for Women, Silk Hair Ties No Damage, Silk Ponytail Holders, 5 pcs (Black) <-- Amazon Link ​

View attachment 500354

How often do you bun your hair and use the boar bristle brush?
Even thought they say Boar bristle brushes are for our hair. Is it a legitimate boar bristle brush?

I use the boar bristle each day.

I don't these would hold my hair. how about these?

 

[Lute]

I use the boar bristle each day.

I don't these would hold my hair. how about these?

@GraceJones as long as its made with satin and it looks like it does. Yep totally get it.


With the boar brush, your doing the slick back buns?

 

[GraceJones]

@GraceJones as long as its made with satin and it looks like it does. Yep totally get it.


With the boar brush, your doing the slick back buns?

Yes, for my buns. I have thick, coarse hair, so I make sections throughout my hair and I fasten each to my bun. I use a rat tail comb to rake only the section from my scalp to the hair tie.

I used to wear my braids in cornrows under wigs but I've stopped that for a few years. I also used to wear box braids and cornrow with synthetic hair but I noticed that my edges at my temple were breaking.
I really like my boar bristle brush. Do you have a recommendation for an authentic 100% boar bristle brush or another alternative?

 

[Lute]

Yes, for my buns. I have thick, coarse hair, so I make sections throughout my hair and I fasten each to my bun. I use a rat tail comb to rake only the section from my scalp to the hair tie.

I used to wear my braids in cornrows under wigs but I've stopped that for a few years. I also used to wear box braids and cornrow with synthetic hair but I noticed that my edges at my temple were breaking.
I really like my boar bristle brush. Do you have a recommendation for an authentic 100% boar bristle brush or another alternative?

Unfortunately, I'm on a hunt for one. I've never attempted a slick back so I can't offer any recommendations. Have you ever thought of doing twists or braids (with your natural hair) for a little while and put that in a bun to give your hair a break of brushing. Keep in mind the twists or braids do not have to be big.

If your bunning often, like every week. Maybe that is too much brushing on the hair.

 

[spacetygrss]

I second the satin scrunchies/hair ties.
Also, It seems like you’re actually doing quite a bit to your hair. Not everyone’s hair can take the boar bristle brush or being raked/smoothed into a bun. I have 4a/3c hair and I’d be bald.
Also, when was the last time that you got a really good, PROFESSIONAL trim? I know that people are often anti-trim here, but if you don’t get a good trim so that all of the splits are caught, your hair is just going to keep splitting right up the shaft.

 

[MzSwift]

1. Natural 4c

2. The Felicia Leatherwood brush or this brush here. I can't find the exact one but it looks like this. As of recently in the past few months I've just used my fingers with DC and scissors when I get to smaller knots that I can't pull out with my fingers. I also use a soft boar bristle brush to smooth my buns.

3. I don’t use protein. My hair is super dry so I typically use the following:

I just recently started using this too. I bought it during Black Friday.

4. I don’t blow dry any more, but when I did I would use a comb attachment on low with this:

5. Yes, I wear my hair in a ponytail and twist or braid the end. I use a brand similar to this:

6. I use this to moisturize and seal:

I also bought a bunch of the Camille Rose leave-ins for Black Friday but haven't used them yet.

I use this to make my bun smooth:

7. I usually have my silk scarf from the BSS on my head when I come home. I also have silk pillowcases on my bed.

It's past my bedtime so forgive me. I'll come back after doing more research tomorrow but the first two of those DCs you posted are DEFINITELY protein.

The Mielle says so right on the front.

And the Camilla Rose one says it's for STRENGTHENING, according to the website via a Google search.



I bet if we did an ingredients search, we could find the protein in it and some of your other products too.

That protein will sneak its way into your hair, girl!!

Any of the code words like "Strengthening" or "For damaged hair" absolutely means that there's protein in it or it's a protein treatment.

In the short term, adding EVOO, honey (or glycerine) and a tsp of salt to those when you use them might help offset some strengthening effects. Be sure to cover with a plastic cap when you DC, if you don't already.
For now, rubbing in some oil on your hair (maybe a little bit of water, but NOT a lot, like only wetting your hands and that's it) and then doing GHE (covering your full head with plastic) overnight or for the evening underneath your satin scarf, will help turn back some of the effects of protein overload. You might have to do that a couple of evenings in a row.
After you fix the protein overload, then you can dust your ends and move forward. Split ends/hair are NOT a death sentence in a journey to long, healthy hair.

I'm pretty much using toothpicks to hold my eyelids open right now, but once I get some rest, I wanna help see if we can get you where you wanna be. I'm sure these wonderful ladies will have you all squared away before I get back anyway.
Goodnight and GL!

 

[GraceJones]

Unfortunately, I'm on a hunt for one. I've never attempted a slick back so I can't offer any recommendations. Have you ever thought of doing twists or braids (with your natural hair) for a little while and put that in a bun to give your hair a break of brushing. Keep in mind the twists or braids do not have to be big.

If your bunning often, like every week. Maybe that is too much brushing on the hair.

I usually wear my hair in a bun and then twist synthetic hair over it to make my bun look bigger. Hate to say that I'm not comfortable wearing my natural hair without length (working on it). Do you have any neat, stylish hair styles that you can suggest for me? I'm open to change because I want to see progress.

 

[GraceJones]

I second the satin scrunchies/hair ties.
Also, It seems like you’re actually doing quite a bit to your hair. Not everyone’s hair can take the boar bristle brush or being raked/smoothed into a bun. I have 4a/3c hair and I’d be bald.
Also, when was the last time that you got a really good, PROFESSIONAL trim? I know that people are often anti-trim here, but if you don’t get a good trim so that all of the splits are caught, your hair is just going to keep splitting right up the shaft.

I haven't gotten a professional trim in about 2 years. I use to trim quarterly but I thought that it was keeping me from seeing length. I try to do a search and destroy every week.

It's past my bedtime so forgive me. I'll come back after doing more research tomorrow but the first two of those DCs you posted are DEFINITELY protein.

The Mielle says so right on the front.

And the Camilla Rose one says it's for STRENGTHENING, according to the website via a Google search.

View attachment 500370

I bet if we did an ingredients search, we could find the protein in it and some of your other products too.

That protein will sneak its way into your hair, girl!!

Any of the code words like "Strengthening" or "For damaged hair" absolutely means that there's protein in it or it's a protein treatment.

In the short term, adding EVOO, honey (or glycerine) and a tsp of salt to those when you use them might help offset some strengthening effects. Be sure to cover with a plastic cap when you DC, if you don't already.
For now, rubbing in some oil on your hair (maybe a little bit of water, but NOT a lot, like only wetting your hands and that's it) and then doing GHE (covering your full head with plastic) overnight or for the evening underneath your satin scarf, will help turn back some of the effects of protein overload. You might have to do that a couple of evenings in a row.
After you fix the protein overload, then you can dust your ends and move forward. Split ends/hair are NOT a death sentence in a journey to long, healthy hair.

I'm pretty much using toothpicks to hold my eyelids open right now, but once I get some rest, I wanna help see if we can get you where you wanna be. I'm sure these wonderful ladies will have you all squared away before I get back anyway.
Goodnight and GL!

Oh. My bad.
I just try different conditioners and see which ones leave my hair soft. I just bought like 3 each for Black Friday. Do you have any other DC suggestions. What ratio of EVOO, honey, or glycerine to DC should I use? I usually DC with a heat cap.

What if I sprayed my hair with water using the continuous fine mist spray bottle? Would like be a good way to wet my hair?

How will I know when the protein overload is fixed?

I was also thinking about trying to roller set my natural hair with magnetic rollers and sitting under the dryer at low setting to stretch my hair for a bun. What do you think?

I really don't know what other ways to style my hair.

 

[MzSwift]

OK, I'm back.

The Doux 808 gel says it contains aloe, honey and glycerine so I checked the ingredient list:



https://incidecoder.com/products/the-doux-808-base-gel

Sure enough, they're there AND at the TOP of the list! These things are all Humectants! It's one of the first rules the ladies stumbled upon in the early 2000s when the hair boards really started. Ladies used to make glycerine spray mixes or use premade Jerry Curl sprays (aka "juicing") to help moisturize their hair. And in the summer, it worked phenomenally. But problems started happening when some ladies' climates changed during the fall/winter seasons. We learned that Humectants pull moisture FROM the more moist environment INTO the drier environment - it does not care which is which. Not sure where you live or how you layer them but the key to using humectants well (for most ppl) is to make sure that your hair is NOT more moist than the environment. Typically, they work best in a more humid environment. So if you're layering all of your moisture underneath those humectants (which we typically do if we LOC or LCO), then they are going to pull the moisture FROM your hair if it is more moist than the environment instead of pulling moisture from the environment INTO your hair. Please tell me if I'm not making sense.

What some ladies do with or without thinking about it is they put the moisturizing ingredients ON TOP of the Humectants when they layer products so that the moisture will be pulled into the hair. So they'll spray on the glycerine/water mix and then apply a moisturizing condish over it. Another way to possibly avoid drying the out the hair would be to cover it after applying the Humectants. They are also REALLY good in DCs, especially when you wear a plastic cap over it.

So between the sneaky protein and the Humectants, I can absolutely see how your hair would be responding the way it is. I agree that reducing manipulation would also go a long way to reducing stress on your hair.

 

[MzSwift]

Oh. My bad.
I just try different conditioners and see which ones leave my hair soft. I just bought like 3 each for Black Friday. Do you have any other DC suggestions. What ratio of EVOO, honey, or glycerine to DC should I use? I usually DC with a heat cap.

What if I sprayed my hair with water using the continuous fine mist spray bottle? Would like be a good way to wet my hair?

How will I know when the protein overload is fixed?

I was also thinking about trying to roller set my natural hair with magnetic rollers and sitting under the dryer at low setting to stretch my hair for a bun. What do you think?

I really don't know what other ways to style my hair.

So forgive me bc I'm not a product lady (I mix my own stuff using other products as a base) so I don't have any OTC suggestions. BUT I believe that technique is more important than product so when I have a hair issue, I just start with the basics bc I'm not sure that one tweak would solve everything.

You've already got a good, simple regi going: wash and DC weekly. Awesome!
I wouldn't throw away the products that you've already spent your hard earned money on. I'd just add moisturizing ingredients to them, as I mentioned. It's so hard to tell you ratios BUT if your goal is more moisture, then I would make sure that the moisturizing ingredients you're adding outnumber the protein product. So maybe 2:1, moisture to protein. We need protein in our hair but it isn't always required to be the primary.

Protein overload is my biggest fear in this journey so I try to avoid it at all costs. While you can over moisturize your hair, it's much easier to balance and fix than protein overload. I was serious when I suggested adding a tsp of salt to the DC, in addition to other moisturizing ingredients, it was the only thing that helped me when I had protein overload. I would also focus on moisture! There was this challenge a while ago called the Max Moisture challenge or something like that. The ladies gave lots of good recommendations for techniques and products in that challenge. I'll also add that whenever I focus on moisture, my hair flourishes. That's how I know when I've overloaded on protein. My hair feels softer and more bouncy and that's when I know I've corrected protein overload.

I'm gonna search for that moisture challenge thread and post it here when I find it.

Since you said your hair is too short to pull back into a bun naturally, how about you try bun styles that involves multiple ponytails instead of just one?

@Chicoro posted this really pretty style video in a thread and I could see it working in an professional environment.

 

[MzSwift]

Baggie Challenge thread from 2006, really interesting to see how our old techniques have disappeared but they worked. I'm seeing names in that thread of ladies who later reached long lengths (WL, WHIP, HL, TBL, etc)

Thread 'Back on the Baggie Challenge - 30 days'

Feb 28, 2006

Well I guess it was too good to be true. The breakage fairy has come back to visit me. After washing and detangling this weekend I noticed the hair on my right side seemed a little thin near the ends. Upon closer inspection I realized that I had breakage in that area. Its weird because its like a layer of hair that has no breakage on the ends, then a layer of hair that has the breakage on the ends, then a top layer that has no breakage. This is probably why I didn't notice it before, its sandwiched between hair that has no breakage. Its not a big area by any means...

• simplycee
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

The Deep Moisture Method

Thread 'I am adopting LadyPanialo's reggie.. Deep Moisture Method, Wig and ALL for 12 months!'

Sep 8, 2010

Anybody wanna come with me? LadyP is the first person to inspire me so much that I immediately braided my hair into a zig zag up the back of my head and got real serious about wigging it for the next 12 months. I combed all through her recent thread TWA to Hip Length in 4 yrs and her TWA to MBL in 3 years and all throughout her LHCF Blog Entries for clear explanations about exactly what she's doing to retain every inch of her luscious locs. She has been an inspiration and example of what real commitment can do!

From what I gather, LadyP does the following...

• sheba1
• Replies: 963
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

Greenhouse Effect Challenge

Thread 'Greenhouse Effect Challenge'

Apr 1, 2012

Hello ladies!

I have found that doing the greenhouse effect really helps your hair retain moisture! I have been doing this challenge for a while and started another one on March 5, 2012. I am going to do a challenge here with you ladies, so here it goes........


From April 1,2012-July 1,2012
everyday/night you will sleep with a shower cap on your head to help retain moisture and watch your hair grow!!!!!! If you want to join this challenge click on thanks! I am doing challenge b always bc my wash days are Sundays and my co-wash days are Tuesdays and Thursdays...

• DivaJones
• Replies: 274
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

Ah, it's called the Maximum Hydration Method!

Thread 'MHM Hangout'

Nov 10, 2014

Welcome to the MHM Hangout. This is not a challenge but I do ask that you join the thread by sharing the details listed below.

This hangout is for those who are actively using the MHM method as described by Pinkecube, or using one of the alternate methods of Aketafitgirl or DanaB. This hangout is for those who at least for right now consider MHM their regimen of choice. Those doing the bald spot regimen are also welcome.

I ask that you join the hangout only AFTER you have tried the method and decided it is something you want to pursue.

If you are new to the method or...

• faithVA
• Replies: 5,379
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

• 

Seems like a lot of ladies ended up altering the method to make it work for them
Pretty much just cowashing and then DCing twice a week. Increasing DCs seems like a good way to reverse protein overload - even if you only do it temporarily. Lots of ladies "dry" DC (DC without washing first) as a midweek step.

M

Thread 'Any thoughts on Maximum Hydration Method'

Jul 1, 2014

A lot of people from another hair site are raving about the Maximum Hydration Method for 4c hair. I think I'm about to try it. Anyone here doing it?

• Misseyl
• Replies: 1,109
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

A simple style that ladies used to do all of the time was baggie their ponytail and then put a faux ponytail, bun or even scarf wrapped over it. Could that work for you as you grow your hair out? It would be a great way to protect your ends.

 

[Chicoro]

My favorite for ends and baggy-ing:

L

Thread 'I Double-dare YOU to take the 7 day V-challenge!'

Nov 6, 2003

That's right, I dare...no, I double-dog DARE all of you to take the 7 day vaseline challenge!

If you are not SCUR-RED...then read on...

the vaseline challenge is very easy. But you can only take the challenge if you are a protective style (bun) wearer. Meaning, if you roll your hair, or use hot curlers, then this challenge is NOT for you.

To take the vaseline challenge, this is what you have to do;

Start off with a freshly washed/conditioned hair. Once you have done all that you usually do BEFORE you get to the styling, pull out the great tub of vaseline and get yourself a nice...

• leejure
• Replies: 441
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

• 
• 

 

[GraceJones]

So forgive me bc I'm not a product lady (I mix my own stuff using other products as a base) so I don't have any OTC suggestions. BUT I believe that technique is more important than product so when I have a hair issue, I just start with the basics bc I'm not sure that one tweak would solve everything.

You've already got a good, simple regi going: wash and DC weekly. Awesome!
I wouldn't throw away the products that you've already spent your hard earned money on. I'd just add moisturizing ingredients to them, as I mentioned. It's so hard to tell you ratios BUT if your goal is more moisture, then I would make sure that the moisturizing ingredients you're adding outnumber the protein product. So maybe 2:1, moisture to protein. We need protein in our hair but it isn't always required to be the primary.

Protein overload is my biggest fear in this journey so I try to avoid it at all costs. While you can over moisturize your hair, it's much easier to balance and fix than protein overload. I was serious when I suggested adding a tsp of salt to the DC, in addition to other moisturizing ingredients, it was the only thing that helped me when I had protein overload. I would also focus on moisture! There was this challenge a while ago called the Max Moisture challenge or something like that. The ladies gave lots of good recommendations for techniques and products in that challenge. I'll also add that whenever I focus on moisture, my hair flourishes. That's how I know when I've overloaded on protein. My hair feels softer and more bouncy and that's when I know I've corrected protein overload.

I'm gonna search for that moisture challenge thread and post it here when I find it.

Since you said your hair is too short to pull back into a bun naturally, how about you try bun styles that involves multiple ponytails instead of just one?

@Chicoro posted this really pretty style video in a thread and I could see it working in an professional environment.

Yes, I can do this! I like this style. My hair is about APL on my longest layer near my nape, but if my hair is not stretched my ponytail is very small.

I usually use this technique because my hair is very thick and it's hard to get it to slick down. I usually add a few more sections to the back though.



Maybe I can still use this technique but make multiple ponytails instead of one like you suggestion? Maybe I can use the Felicia Leatherwood brush or the other detangler brush to sleek the hair down instead of the rat tail comb and boar bristle brush?

Baggie Challenge thread from 2006, really interesting to see how our old techniques have disappeared but they worked. I'm seeing names in that thread of ladies who later reached long lengths (WL, WHIP, HL, TBL, etc)

Thread 'Back on the Baggie Challenge - 30 days'

Feb 28, 2006

Well I guess it was too good to be true. The breakage fairy has come back to visit me. After washing and detangling this weekend I noticed the hair on my right side seemed a little thin near the ends. Upon closer inspection I realized that I had breakage in that area. Its weird because its like a layer of hair that has no breakage on the ends, then a layer of hair that has the breakage on the ends, then a top layer that has no breakage. This is probably why I didn't notice it before, its sandwiched between hair that has no breakage. Its not a big area by any means...

• simplycee
• Replies: 93
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

The Deep Moisture Method

Thread 'I am adopting LadyPanialo's reggie.. Deep Moisture Method, Wig and ALL for 12 months!'

Sep 8, 2010

Anybody wanna come with me? LadyP is the first person to inspire me so much that I immediately braided my hair into a zig zag up the back of my head and got real serious about wigging it for the next 12 months. I combed all through her recent thread TWA to Hip Length in 4 yrs and her TWA to MBL in 3 years and all throughout her LHCF Blog Entries for clear explanations about exactly what she's doing to retain every inch of her luscious locs. She has been an inspiration and example of what real commitment can do!

From what I gather, LadyP does the following...

• sheba1
• Replies: 963
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

Greenhouse Effect Challenge

Thread 'Greenhouse Effect Challenge'

Apr 1, 2012

Hello ladies!

I have found that doing the greenhouse effect really helps your hair retain moisture! I have been doing this challenge for a while and started another one on March 5, 2012. I am going to do a challenge here with you ladies, so here it goes........


From April 1,2012-July 1,2012
everyday/night you will sleep with a shower cap on your head to help retain moisture and watch your hair grow!!!!!! If you want to join this challenge click on thanks! I am doing challenge b always bc my wash days are Sundays and my co-wash days are Tuesdays and Thursdays...

• DivaJones
• Replies: 274
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

Ah, it's called the Maximum Hydration Method!

Thread 'MHM Hangout'

Nov 10, 2014

Welcome to the MHM Hangout. This is not a challenge but I do ask that you join the thread by sharing the details listed below.

This hangout is for those who are actively using the MHM method as described by Pinkecube, or using one of the alternate methods of Aketafitgirl or DanaB. This hangout is for those who at least for right now consider MHM their regimen of choice. Those doing the bald spot regimen are also welcome.

I ask that you join the hangout only AFTER you have tried the method and decided it is something you want to pursue.

If you are new to the method or...

• faithVA
• Replies: 5,379
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

• 

Seems like a lot of ladies ended up altering the method to make it work for them
Pretty much just cowashing and then DCing twice a week. Increasing DCs seems like a good way to reverse protein overload - even if you only do it temporarily. Lots of ladies "dry" DC (DC without washing first) as a midweek step.

M

Thread 'Any thoughts on Maximum Hydration Method'

Jul 1, 2014

A lot of people from another hair site are raving about the Maximum Hydration Method for 4c hair. I think I'm about to try it. Anyone here doing it?

• Misseyl
• Replies: 1,109
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

A simple style that ladies used to do all of the time was baggie their ponytail and then put a faux ponytail, bun or even scarf wrapped over it. Could that work for you as you grow your hair out? It would be a great way to protect your ends.

Do you have any suggestions for a nice faux ponytail that would match my texture?


I'm a little hesitant about cowashing. I have seborrheic dermatitis and I don't know if that might aggravate it. I don't have any cowashing products, but maybe one of these can work? Then I can DC with one of the products I mention upthread with your suggestions of EVOO, honey, and salt (what does the salt do?).I purchased this over Black Friday as well.

I usually use this to wash and it works well for me. Maybe I can wash multiple times a week if the 5 min DC isn't a good option?

My favorite for ends and baggy-ing:

L

Thread 'I Double-dare YOU to take the 7 day V-challenge!'

Nov 6, 2003

That's right, I dare...no, I double-dog DARE all of you to take the 7 day vaseline challenge!

If you are not SCUR-RED...then read on...

the vaseline challenge is very easy. But you can only take the challenge if you are a protective style (bun) wearer. Meaning, if you roll your hair, or use hot curlers, then this challenge is NOT for you.

To take the vaseline challenge, this is what you have to do;

Start off with a freshly washed/conditioned hair. Once you have done all that you usually do BEFORE you get to the styling, pull out the great tub of vaseline and get yourself a nice...

• leejure
• Replies: 441
• Forum: Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion

• 
• 

Yes! I would like to wear this under my fake buns.

 

[MzSwift]

@GraceJones

I'm not a fan of cowashing either. I can't just wash my scalp with condish.
I usually cleanse my hair with a gentle cleanser that I make by mixing condish with cleansing Ayurveda powders and Castile soap.
To "poo," I wash my scalp and hair with liquid black soap, every 7-14 days or so. It's also gentle.
Sometimes for a quick "cowashing" I just mix condish and poo together and use that to wash.

Please tell me how that Head and Shoulders works for you - my DH might like that one! If that works for you, I'd say stick with it. No need to fix what isn't broken. The idea that shampoo is drying (and in some cases damaging) to your hair might go against the whole idea of infusing more moisture. So if you find that shampoo too drying, you can just add one of those condishes/cowashes to it (applying the condish only to your hair, not scalp, after applying the shampoo) to decrease the drying effect. That way you're still cleaning your scalp without stripping your hair.

You said you used to do braids under wigs. Personally, I'd do that for a month or so in order to give your hair a rest from manipulation as you try to increase your moisture. In the meantime, you can look up some phony ponies or even loose crochet/braiding hair that could mimic your hair or give you a nice textured bun. YT is probably a good place to find what ladies are using for textured styles. If I find any, I'll share too!

 

[GGsKin]

@MzSwift That original Maximum Hydration thread was an illuminating place. I learned so much about my hair. I still carry many of the hair-handling methods I learned- finger detangling, washing my hair in one direction, with a smoothing action to avoid tangles. I used GHE to grow in a bald spot. The spin-off MHM hangout thread was my spot on this forum in my early days, and I was a dedicated follower of the regimen. My routine is nothing like that now, but I learned a lot.

I made tweaks to suit me, and eventually found myself with a consistent clay-cleansing regimen that wasn’t really ‘MHM’ anymore, but the principle formed the foundation, or the backbone of my natural hair care.

@GraceJones I also had crazy mid-shaft bubble splits and split ends that were doing all kinds of gymnastics. I was not maintaining new length in my crown- the dreaded organic mullet. Last year I cut those splits (and slowly cut heat damage) away, and focussed on what the issues could be, while wearing my hair in extension braids. I believe one was excessive dryness because I just don’t moisturise my hair enough. I countered that by layering a moisturising leave-in, a heavier product- cream/ butter or gel (currently The Doux Bee Girl custard) and Jamaican black castor oil to my length before braiding.

Protein does help the hair retain moisture, so it is needed for balance, but you should be mindful where your doses are coming from. My hair- specifically my ends look much better after I cut away the damage early last year, and consistent trims have kept me on track, and I hope the added moisture and oiling (for suppleness- like using cuticle oil on your nail beds) means I’ll see less splits.

Sorry if that is long and all over the place lol.

 

[GraceJones]

@GraceJones

I'm not a fan of cowashing either. I can't just wash my scalp with condish.
I usually cleanse my hair with a gentle cleanser that I make by mixing condish with cleansing Ayurveda powders and Castile soap.
To "poo," I wash my scalp and hair with liquid black soap, every 7-14 days or so. It's also gentle.
Sometimes for a quick "cowashing" I just mix condish and poo together and use that to wash.

Please tell me how that Head and Shoulders works for you - my DH might like that one! If that works for you, I'd say stick with it. No need to fix what isn't broken. The idea that shampoo is drying (and in some cases damaging) to your hair might go against the whole idea of infusing more moisture. So if you find that shampoo too drying, you can just add one of those condishes/cowashes to it (applying the condish only to your hair, not scalp, after applying the shampoo) to decrease the drying effect. That way you're still cleaning your scalp without stripping your hair.

You said you used to do braids under wigs. Personally, I'd do that for a month or so in order to give your hair a rest from manipulation as you try to increase your moisture. In the meantime, you can look up some phony ponies or even loose crochet/braiding hair that could mimic your hair or give you a nice textured bun. YT is probably a good place to find what ladies are using for textured styles. If I find any, I'll share too!

Can you share your cleanser recipe?

I've been using the Head and Shoulders for a few years. It works amazingly. Not too drying and it helps with the huge flakes on my scalp.The dermatologist gave me a Ketoconazole Shampoo, 2% shampoo but I found it too drying.

I used to do small cornrows under my wigs daily for about 7 years, but one of the ladies on here suggested to give it a break because of my scalp issues. She thought that perhaps my hair wasn't getting enough air, which was exasperating the problem. I also found that when I would find get my hair braided as my base, my temples got really really short (tension from breakage). They're just now growing back a bit. I also found it a bit difficult to weight train while wearing a wig, so I would just wear a scarf. Do you still think the wig would be a good idea? How about goddess braids with human hair? Would that help? I'm thankful for the suggestions, just trying to find something that fits my lifestyle as well as my goals.

@MzSwift That original Maximum Hydration thread was an illuminating place. I learned so much about my hair. I still carry many of the hair-handling methods I learned- finger detangling, washing my hair in one direction, with a smoothing action to avoid tangles. I used GHE to grow in a bald spot. The spin-off MHM hangout thread was my spot on this forum in my early days, and I was a dedicated follower of the regimen. My routine is nothing like that now, but I learned a lot.

I made tweaks to suit me, and eventually found myself with a consistent clay-cleansing regimen that wasn’t really ‘MHM’ anymore, but the principle formed the foundation, or the backbone of my natural hair care.

@GraceJones I also had crazy mid-shaft bubble splits and split ends that were doing all kinds of gymnastics. I was not maintaining new length in my crown- the dreaded organic mullet. Last year I cut those splits (and slowly cut heat damage) away, and focussed on what the issues could be, while wearing my hair in extension braids. I believe one was excessive dryness because I just don’t moisturise my hair enough. I countered that by layering a moisturising leave-in, a heavier product- cream/ butter or gel (currently The Doux Bee Girl custard) and Jamaican black castor oil to my length before braiding.

Protein does help the hair retain moisture, so it is needed for balance, but you should be mindful where your doses are coming from. My hair- specifically my ends look much better after I cut away the damage early last year, and consistent trims have kept me on track, and I hope the added moisture and oiling (for suppleness- like using cuticle oil on your nail beds) means I’ll see less splits.

Sorry if that is long and all over the place lol.

I find that I keep more hair on my head also when I finger detangle. I would do it every few days though, because I found it too overwhelming when I would wait weeks in between. Last time it took me over 4 hours.

I'll check out the MHM thread.

Thank you for all the ideas!!

 

[MzSwift]

Can you share your cleanser recipe?

I've been using the Head and Shoulders for a few years. It works amazingly. Not too drying and it helps with the huge flakes on my scalp.The dermatologist gave me a Ketoconazole Shampoo, 2% shampoo but I found it too drying.

I used to do small cornrows under my wigs daily for about 7 years, but one of the ladies on here suggested to give it a break because of my scalp issues. She thought that perhaps my hair wasn't getting enough air, which was exasperating the problem. I also found that when I would find get my hair braided as my base, my temples got really really short (tension from breakage). They're just now growing back a bit. I also found it a bit difficult to weight train while wearing a wig, so I would just wear a scarf. Do you still think the wig would be a good idea? How about goddess braids with human hair? Would that help? I'm thankful for the suggestions, just trying to find something that fits my lifestyle as well as my goals.

Happy to help and I absolutely understand!

I also have thin edges and was concerned about damage from cornrows and wigs but I haven't had any, fortunately! I believe a few factors have helped. I wear men's satin wave/skull caps instead of nylon wig caps (which are drying and can cause a lot of tension) underneath. I also use Ayurveda for almost every step of my regi. I believe the powders I choose have helped my hair to remain strong and moisturized. I remove my wig every night. I don't use the attached wig combs, I only pin it down using bobby or hair pins.

I cornrows straight back. I do this bc it makes it easier to access my scalp for cleansing or applying my tonics. Also, if I have to go without a wig, it's easy to throw on my satin skull cap and then a bandana, cap or head wrap. Also, if I have to wear them exposed, I can easily rock them in a low bun and use a yoga headband to help my edges appear more smooth without a lot of tension. Lastly, I prefer to rock curly wigs set back a bit with a thin headband or a yoga headband. The straight back cornrows allow for me to also expose a bit of them in the front if I want to for a more natural look with the wigs, with a headband.

I believe you can absolutely rock your wigs again - esp if they fit your lifestyle. Just rock your scarf during your fitness routines. Cornrows would allow better air and access to your scalp than loose hair does. You could try it and see if it causes you any issues with flair ups or anything. At least they aren't as permanent as a sew in. Yes, I think goddess braids could work too but I think they would start to look more worn the more you wash.

I also exclusively finger detangle both as a natural (4b/a) and texlaxed. The only time I use a comb is if I'm going to use heat, which is about once a year. I think it has made me a bit tender headed, actually.

My cleanser mix: In an empty 16oz bottle, I pour 1-2 tsp of Shikakai and Neem powders into the bottom. And then fill the 1/3 with hot water, put the top on and shake. This makes a tea. Then I fill the bottle up to about 3/4 to 4/5 with a cheapie moisturizing condish and shake to mix. Then I fill the rest of the way with peppermint Castile soap. I add about 5 drops of lemon EO for scent, shine and its cleansing properties. Then I lightly shake it upside down to mix. And I use that for the month or until it's used up. I've been using this cleanser as my primary cleanser since 2010. Sometimes I'll split the castile soap portion with half lavender soap and half peppermint soap, usually in the winter when I don't want my pores to feel so open. lol

 

[spacetygrss]

I haven't gotten a professional trim in about 2 years. I use to trim quarterly but I thought that it was keeping me from seeing length. I try to do a search and destroy every week.

I strongly suggest that you find a stylist that you trust and see if you need a good trim. It doesn’t matter which shampoo/conditioner you use, what kind of brush you buy, etc. if you already have splits up and down your hair shaft. Someone who’s able to get a good look at your hair is helpful.

 

[GraceJones]

Happy to help and I absolutely understand!

I also have thin edges and was concerned about damage from cornrows and wigs but I haven't had any, fortunately! I believe a few factors have helped. I wear men's satin wave/skull caps instead of nylon wig caps (which are drying and can cause a lot of tension) underneath. I also use Ayurveda for almost every step of my regi. I believe the powders I choose have helped my hair to remain strong and moisturized. I remove my wig every night. I don't use the attached wig combs, I only pin it down using bobby or hair pins.

I cornrows straight back. I do this bc it makes it easier to access my scalp for cleansing or applying my tonics. Also, if I have to go without a wig, it's easy to throw on my satin skull cap and then a bandana, cap or head wrap. Also, if I have to wear them exposed, I can easily rock them in a low bun and use a yoga headband to help my edges appear more smooth without a lot of tension. Lastly, I prefer to rock curly wigs set back a bit with a thin headband or a yoga headband. The straight back cornrows allow for me to also expose a bit of them in the front if I want to for a more natural look with the wigs, with a headband.

I believe you can absolutely rock your wigs again - esp if they fit your lifestyle. Just rock your scarf during your fitness routines. Cornrows would allow better air and access to your scalp than loose hair does. You could try it and see if it causes you any issues with flair ups or anything. At least they aren't as permanent as a sew in. Yes, I think goddess braids could work too but I think they would start to look more worn the more you wash.

I also exclusively finger detangle both as a natural (4b/a) and texlaxed. The only time I use a comb is if I'm going to use heat, which is about once a year. I think it has made me a bit tender headed, actually.

My cleanser mix: In an empty 16oz bottle, I pour 1-2 tsp of Shikakai and Neem powders into the bottom. And then fill the 1/3 with hot water, put the top on and shake. This makes a tea. Then I fill the bottle up to about 3/4 to 4/5 with a cheapie moisturizing condish and shake to mix. Then I fill the rest of the way with peppermint Castile soap. I add about 5 drops of lemon EO for scent, shine and its cleansing properties. Then I lightly shake it upside down to mix. And I use that for the month or until it's used up. I've been using this cleanser as my primary cleanser since 2010. Sometimes I'll split the castile soap portion with half lavender soap and half peppermint soap, usually in the winter when I don't want my pores to feel so open. lol

I usually just wear my wigs without anything underneath. Should I try the skull cap underneath? It seems like that would block air flow.

I could also wear my wig during the day and remove it when I get home at night. I could also sleep with my silk pillowcase instead of my scarf.
Should I still wash weekly? Do you think it would cause more manipulation to unbraid and cornrow weekly? Some braiders want me to blow dry beforehand. I could also tell the braider not to braid my temples.

Do you have any clay rinse recommendations for the MHM?

Sorry for all the questions. I love talking about hair!

 

[MzSwift]

I usually just wear my wigs without anything underneath. Should I try the skull cap underneath? It seems like that would block air flow.

I could also wear my wig during the day and remove it when I get home at night. I could also sleep with my silk pillowcase instead of my scarf.
Should I still wash weekly? Do you think it would cause more manipulation to unbraid and cornrow weekly? Some braiders want me to blow dry beforehand. I could also tell the braider not to braid my temples.

Do you have any clay rinse recommendations for the MHM?

Sorry for all the questions. I love talking about hair!

No apologies necessary, that's what the board is for!

Maybe one of the other ladies can chime in with clay wash recs. We do have a clay/Ayurveda etc challenge thread around here that has some good recipes in there. Even the previous years ones have really good info!

Makes sense that you'd wear them without anything underneath in order to increase airflow to your scalp. You could try a week with a satin cap underneath and see if it causes issues with your scalp. The purpose of the cap is to protect your hair from friction with cap of the wig. But I could see you still seeing progress without it, esp if you regularly DC and take your wig off when you're home. Another thing you could do is wear a weaving cap underneath to help protect your hair. Definitely stick with your satin/silk scarf for at home and when you're sleeping. Keeping the hair/braids more restricted reduces tangling.

OK, I'm gonna say something that may sound weird at first but hear me out. You don't need to take down your cornrows in order to wash and DC your hair under your wigs. You can wash and DC your hair in the cornrows. I've been doing it for years! The weave ladies from back in the day are the ones who put me up on this. They used to wash and DC their hair under their weaves weekly by diluting their poo and condish with water in applicator bottles (bottle with a pointed tip). That way, they're getting to clean their scalp without over manipulating their braids. And they kept their installs in for 2-3 months this way. I wouldn't recommend keeping your braids in that long but they did it and had amazing reveals!

I rock my cornrows without wigs these days bc I just haven't been bothered with it all for years.
I've found it's better not to leave any of my hair unbraided when I'm rocking a braided style. Could you ask to have a single braid or plait installed at the temples and then just connect them to one of the cornrows? Or you could start all of the rows with a plait and then connect them in to each row that way?

You could start the cornrows farther back like this instead of right at the edges (I do this bc I'm not a good cornrower, lol).


The other thing that helped me was to do one row going downwards in the front and then the rest of the cornrows going back. You've got a few options!

 

[GraceJones]

No apologies necessary, that's what the board is for!

Maybe one of the other ladies can chime in with clay wash recs. We do have a clay/Ayurveda etc challenge thread around here that has some good recipes in there. Even the previous years ones have really good info!

Makes sense that you'd wear them without anything underneath in order to increase airflow to your scalp. You could try a week with a satin cap underneath and see if it causes issues with your scalp. The purpose of the cap is to protect your hair from friction with cap of the wig. But I could see you still seeing progress without it, esp if you regularly DC and take your wig off when you're home. Another thing you could do is wear a weaving cap underneath to help protect your hair. Definitely stick with your satin/silk scarf for at home and when you're sleeping. Keeping the hair/braids more restricted reduces tangling.

OK, I'm gonna say something that may sound weird at first but hear me out. You don't need to take down your cornrows in order to wash and DC your hair under your wigs. You can wash and DC your hair in the cornrows. I've been doing it for years! The weave ladies from back in the day are the ones who put me up on this. They used to wash and DC their hair under their weaves weekly by diluting their poo and condish with water in applicator bottles (bottle with a pointed tip). That way, they're getting to clean their scalp without over manipulating their braids. And they kept their installs in for 2-3 months this way. I wouldn't recommend keeping your braids in that long but they did it and had amazing reveals!

I rock my cornrows without wigs these days bc I just haven't been bothered with it all for years.
I've found it's better not to leave any of my hair unbraided when I'm rocking a braided style. Could you ask to have a single braid or plait installed at the temples and then just connect them to one of the cornrows? Or you could start all of the rows with a plait and then connect them in to each row that way?

You could start the cornrows farther back like this instead of right at the edges (I do this bc I'm not a good cornrower, lol).
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The other thing that helped me was to do one row going downwards in the front and then the rest of the cornrows going back. You've got a few options!

Yes, I've tried this before. I found that I really couldn't get underneath the cornrows well to wash all the flakes. I also found that no matter how well l rinsed, I would still have DC residue left under the braids and it would cause my scalp to itch. To be fair, I never tried to do this with diluted shampoo or DC so I could try that.
I've kept my cornrows in for as long as 6 weeks with washing and DCing each week but it was really itchy. When I took the cornrows down, I still found that I had a lot of DC residue in between the braids.

Maybe also have braids going across the temples like this? Maybe 4 rows instead of 2 rows

And the protect the nape with a braid in the back as well.

 

[snoop]

This thread reminds me of the old days when people would come with helpful info. I have to read and come back later to add what I know...

Off the top of my head, I just wanted to side eye the boar bristle brush. If they are too stiff, I think that they'd rip your strands. I've come across a soft boar bristle once, but I think that the bristles are still stiff. But maybe it was synthetic, because I think it was less than $10 even though it was a mini brush. A goat hair brush is super soft, but I'm not sure if it would be too soft for smoothing out your hair...?

I know some people mentioned getting a proper trim, but that wouldn't help if you are dealing with keyhole splits. What you need is lots of moisture consistently. (And a good diet.)

As for the silk bonnet/scarf, is it actually silk or satin. And if it's satin, is it silk-like satin or the rough polyester stuff that I see at the black beauty supply stores? I find that real silk makes my hair feel different over time vs satin.

Will come back later and read through...I might have more to add.

 

[MzSwift]

@GraceJones

Yes! That image is exactly what I'm talking about. I only did one row but two rows make sense too.
And, wow, those braids are so neat and pretty!

I've seen ladies DC BEFORE washing. Maybe you can try that when you're in braids. That'll help keep your braids clean. Or, maybe you don't DC in the braids. Maybe you just use a regular moisturizing condish. You can still dilute both that and the poo.

 

[MzSwift]

My favorite for ends and baggy-ing:

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the vaseline challenge is very easy. But you can only take the challenge if you are a protective style (bun) wearer. Meaning, if you roll your hair, or use hot curlers, then this challenge is NOT for you.

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TYSM!