Just had an epiphany: lye vs. no lye ,protein vs. ceramides

[Artemis]

thanks so much for responding!! i'm learning so so much on the science of our hair.

I have alot of conditioners dom and otherwise so one of them must have cermides in it.


thanks again!!!

No prob! Don't forget to check your daily moisturizers, if you use them. Ceramides are effective in those products as well.

 

[LABETT]

I am glad this thread was revised again really good info.
I am glad I use products that contain ceramides.

 

[natieya]

I am no way an expert so I invite others to chime in.

When I was reading the book Shamboosie (sp): I remember the advice given was 1. to switch to lye from no lye. 2. If you use lye then protein is needed and 3. if you use no-lye "moisture" was needed. 4. They advocated keraphix/ (humectress) was the only solution to no lye users..

My experience with nolye (affirm fiberguard): my hair would shed and break when I would try to take care of it at home but when my stylist took care of it it was always healthy. What was the difference. She would always use fiberGuard conditioner on my hair. She used it after the relaxer and on a weekly basis. When I tried to substitute that conditioner with another my hair did not thrive.


The Epiphany: What does keraphix/(humectress) and fiberGuard have in common? Ceramide technology. Ceramides act like a protein but moisturizes the hair very well.

I may be wrong but from my own personal experience and remembering what shamboosie(sp) said this might be correct.

Ceramides are important oil-soluble compounds (or lipids) within hair, responsible for maintaining proper moisture and elasticity. When hair is overprocessed, these essential Ceramides are depleted, causing hair to become dry, brittle and frail.

A study was done:
Ceramide binding to African–American hair fibre correlates with resistance to hair breakage
Repetitive hair-relaxing treatments often applied to African–American hair weaken the hair structure. Therefore hair breakage is a common feature of African–American hair and an important cause of hair loss. Recently, by analysing the lipids extracted from human hair, a fraction of free-ceramide was isolated in which sphinganine was predominant. This study shows that this sphinganine-derived ceramide (i.e. C18-dhCer) binds to African–American hair and protects it from weakening caused by chemicals. To show this binding, we used two methods: radioactivity detection with a microimagerTM and secondary ion mass spectrometry.

We evaluated the benefits of C18-dhCer on African–American hair fibre, relaxed by guanidine hydroxide, using a new method called the Break'in Brush Technique (BBT®). This method determines the hair breakage resistance during a brushing. Using this technique, we have shown less breakage when applying a shampoo with ceramide.

The present study opens new prospects for the development of products able to increase the protection, provide better care and meet the needs of African–American hair thanks to the effect of ceramide binding.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/do...5463.2001.00106.x?cookieSet=1&journalCode=ics

pure products:
http://www.matrix.com/products/biolage/cera_repair.aspx
Cera-Repair Pro4™- hydrathérapie in-salon treatment

• Cera-Repair Pro4™, in-salon treatments, use patented ceramide to dramatically repair and reinforce hair’s natural protective layer.
• A unique fusion of Matrix science and customized formulas enriched with
hibiscus, algae or ginseng, tailored to treat hair-type specific needs.

http://www.amazon.com/Kerastase-LOreal-Vita-Ciment-applicator/dp/B000G0HZA2

Product Description
Vita Ciment has been proven for over twenty years to repair damaged hair. It work immediately. Use it twice for the first month then once monthly thereafter. Simple to use. Simply apply on towel dried hair and allow to set 10-20 minutes, then rinse.

I may be wrong about all of this but I am just throwing an idea out there. Please comment ladies.

The links below are some products that use this technology:

http://www.nexxus.com/hair_care_brands/signature_line/conditioner_humectress_moisturizing_3.html


http://www.drugstore.com/qxp148259_...re_replenishing_conditioner_and_detangler.htm

http://www.just4beauty.com/731.html

http://www.mizani-usa.com/?m=35&rid=100

http://www.hairproducts.com/view_product_CON-NEX106.htm

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Reviews/L_Oreal_Elvive_Ceramide_R_2in1_Shampoo_Conditioner__67244

http://www.amazon.com/Nexxus-Diametress-Luscious-Thickening-Shampoo/dp/B000JOMT4W

http://www.dclskincare.com/hair.html

http://www.centerchem.com/PDFs/Cerasperse_III+H.pdf

http://www.campo-research.com/campo/formula/intro-shampoo.html

http://www.hairproducts.com/view_product_SHA-NEX105.htm

http://www.monstermarketplace.com/Health/Landing2541a706.html

http://auctions.overstock.com/item/40037258

http://www.folica.com/Kerastase_Solei_d3063.html

http://www.amazon.com/Breakthru-Bre...9-2044020?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1182404644&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Thera...9-2044020?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1182405552&sr=1-2

Has anyone used Kerastase Vita Ciment or Matrix Biolage Cera Repair Hydratherapie? I really am interested in these products. TIA!!!

 

[natieya]

Bumping! Anyone used Vita Ciment or Cera Repair Hydratherapie?

 

[sareca]

I love this thread.

 

[InnerSoul]

I knew that I loved Nexxus for a reason!

 

[Supergirl]

Ladies,

Ceramides are excellent, but one note--expect to clarify your hair more often with them. I don't know why, but this has been my experience over the years.

 

[DivaRox]

Just popping in to say that I have gotten so much useful info from this thread. I'm glad to see it is still going.

Thanks supergirl, one of the lines I alternate with ceramide(mizani) also has a puriphying poo that I use to clarify with. I hope that counts

 

[Neroli]

Ladies,

Ceramides are excellent, but one note--expect to clarify your hair more often with them. I don't know why, but this has been my experience over the years.

Why do you think that is?

I've used nexxus therappe poo, humectress condish and headress leave-in for over 20 years, all contain ceramide 3, and never had a need to clarify. Indeed, I use them now that I'm more hair educated, specifically because they do not contain any 'cones and I never have a need to clarify whatsoever.

 

[kitkat3ny]

I notice that Nexxus Humectress has mineral oil in it. My hair doesn't do well w/ minerol oil. Does anyone who can not stand mineral oil still see a great moisturizing benefit from humectress? Last time I tried it, it didn't moisturize my hair.

 

[Candy_C]

the dominican version of sunsilk contains ceramides

 

[Neroli]

I notice that Nexxus Humectress has mineral oil in it. My hair doesn't do well w/ minerol oil. Does anyone who can not stand mineral oil still see a great moisturizing benefit from humectress? Last time I tried it, it didn't moisturize my hair.

My hair LOVES humectress. It is the one product I would chose if I could only have one. I know some folks avoid mineral oil like the the plaque, but I don't. The thing that my hair really hates is 'cones and I actively read ingredients to avoid those specifically.

Our hair are as individual as we are!

 

[natieya]

See question below:

Bumping! Anyone used Vita Ciment or Cera Repair Hydratherapie?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

My stylist just recommended FiberGuard sensitive scalp, she said it's better for fine hair!! I think it's no lye WRONG, it's LYE ....but I am going to follow her recommendation because I know one other stylist used sensitive scalp for me before with great results. I'll just clairify once per month or so.

ETA- talked with my stylist and she assured me she does not use no lye relaxers....whew! So Fiberguard it is for me!

Delp-

Does the book state why he recommends switching to a lye relaxer? I curious because I currently use Affirm Sensitive Scalp relaxer which is a guanidine hydroxide (aka no-lye) relaxer as opposed to the sodium hydroxide (lye relaxer) Affirm original.

I do remember though when my stylist used the Affirm original (lye formula) on my hair, my hair seemed to have moisture, but it was thin and I had a lot of shedding & breakage (my scalp was also always dry and tight) Because of that I switched stylist and she used the Sensitive scalp relaxer along with the dry & itchy scalp con/shampoo line and my hair over a period of a year became thick and grew like a race champ.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Another confirmation, I am getting this relaxer on next Tuesday

i just recently heard of ceramides when i visited a salon here in orlando. i went to give it and the stylist a look over,(she will be doing my next relaxer). anywho, she suggested that i use redkin anti-snap because it contains ceramides. i had no idea what that was at the time, but after reading this thread, that tells me she knows her stuff. she really likes affirm fiberguard no-lye and said she would use it on my hair this friday. so there is the connection with ceramides and no-lye

 

[kitkat3ny]

Is there a difference between Affirm and Fiberguard? If so, which of the two have a relaxer system that centers around ceramide?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Is there a difference between Affirm and Fiberguard? If so, which of the two have a relaxer system that centers around ceramide?

Affirm as a line of relaxers and one of the is Fiberguard. I'm not sure if it contains ceramides or not, but the relaxer comes highly recommeded. I am going to get one next Tuesday.

 

[InnerSoul]

My hair LOVES humectress. It is the one product I would chose if I could only have one. I know some folks avoid mineral oil like the the plaque, but I don't. The thing that my hair really hates is 'cones and I actively read ingredients to avoid those specifically.

Our hair are as individual as we are!

co-signing!

Although I am not a fan of mineral oil...Nexxus humectress is just wonderful to my hair. I could see if I was pouring straight mineral oil on my hair but in the Nexxus products...it is mixed with so many other goodies that you can't tell the mineral oil is in it.

 

[chicacanella]

So, say I am going to get a Dudley's Sensitive Scalp relaxer which is no-lye.

First I coat my prerelaxed hair with Porosity Control Conditioner, as my stylist does a deep protein treatment one week before anyway.

Then can I remove the build up through shampoo and chelate a week later cause my hair is going to be styled and I don't want to mess the rollerset up right after getting it.


And does anyone know why your hair seem flat after getting a fresh no-lye relaxer and then weeks later it comes back to life?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

and for the budget conscious :

there's an entire optimum care line devoted to ceramides:

Optimum Care Anti Breakage Therapy Stay Strong Shampoo
(i still love and use the poo now and again)


http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=304575&navAction=jump&navCount=0&id=prod2663079

and

SoftSheen-Carson Optimum Care Anti-Breakage Therapy Stay Strong Conditioner

http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=304666&navAction=jump&navCount=6&id=prod2663075

as well as an entire selection of products:
http://www.walgreens.com/search/search_results.jsp?_dyncharset=ASCII&term=optimum+care&x=0&y=0

hth the cheapos in the audience

Go Head Girl!!! You talkin to me! LOL :bouncegre

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I have a question is Cetrimonium Chloride the same as ceramides?

I notice Ceritmonium Chloride in a lot of the domican products and others as well.

 

[scorpian]

I have a question is Cetrimonium Chloride the same as ceramides?

I notice Ceritmonium Chloride in a lot of the domican products and others as well.

That's a good question I am not sure but...I looked up the word and came up with a long list of products that have this..mostly conditioners

here is what is says in the description
DescriptionClear liquid.


Uses

Cetrimonium chloride is used as a hair conditioner, fabric softener, and anti-static agent for hair and fibers.
It makes fabrics and hair less prone to static electricity buildup by making them slightly conductive.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

That's a good question I am not sure but...I looked up the word and came up with a long list of products that have this..mostly conditioners

here is what is says in the description
DescriptionClear liquid.


Uses

Cetrimonium chloride is used as a hair conditioner, fabric softener, and anti-static agent for hair and fibers.
It makes fabrics and hair less prone to static electricity buildup by making them slightly conductive.

Thank you! I love your shinny hair

 

[gymfreak336]

Loreal Pro. Color line has ceramides. this is the line in the pink bottles with red writing.

 

[LiLi]

My stylist just recommended FiberGuard sensitive scalp, she said it's better for fine hair!! I think it's no lye WRONG, it's LYE ....but I am going to follow her recommendation because I know one other stylist used sensitive scalp for me before with great results. I'll just clairify once per month or so.

ETA- talked with my stylist and she assured me she does not use no lye relaxers....whew! So Fiberguard it is for me!

Just wanted to let you know that Fiberguard Sensitive scalp is a no-lye product. Fiberguard is made in lye and no-lye versions. I know because I used both for several years. If your stylist told you that the sensitive scalp is a lye product, she is wrong.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Just wanted to let you know that Fiberguard Sensitive scalp is a no-lye product. Fiberguard is made in lye and no-lye versions. I know because I used both for several years. If your stylist told you that the sensitive scalp is a lye product, she is wrong.

Uh-Oh, am I going to have to make her let me read the jar! Does the no-lye require mixing like the others? If I see her mixing I'm going to get up and run out of there Dag!
Thanks for the heads up!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Just wanted to let you know that Fiberguard Sensitive scalp is a no-lye product. Fiberguard is made in lye and no-lye versions. I know because I used both for several years. If your stylist told you that the sensitive scalp is a lye product, she is wrong.

What would be best for cottony soft, fine 4a/b hair with major shrinkage? I did an Affirm relaxer years ago and my hair was beautiful with it! But that was like 8 or 9 years ago....So I have lost track of that stylist...I have been wearing braids, weaves and now wigs since.... I want to wear my hair now

 

[kitkat3ny]

There are also plant-derived ceramides. They can be found in walnut oil and wheat germ oil. I'm sure there are others. These are just the two I know about.

Aubrey Organics GPB and HoneySuckle rose have wheat germ oil as one of their main ingredients. Perhaps this is why these products are so beneficial? Is wheat germ oil the organic counterpart to ceramides and glycolipids?

 

[kitkat3ny]

Just bumping.

 

[newflowers]

Just bumping too.