Seeking8Rights
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Can someone tell me who makes Phyto?
Soliel185 said:This definitely makes sense...I was looking at a few products that supposedly have ceramides, but I still can't pin point a consistant ingredient that shows they're in there. I'd like to know what to look for to make sure I'm getting the right product, and also to compare products based on how far up or down ceramides are in the ingredients list. Anyone had any luck with this?
Daisimae said:This thread sent me to Wal*Mart this morning to buy Suave Professionals Extra Strength shampoo and leave in. They along with the conditioner all contain ceramides and are advertised as knock-offs of the Redken Extreme Strength line. That line has received rave reviews at Drugstore.com.
Like all Suave products these were inexpensive, under $2 each. I'm going to use the shampoo with my Aphogee 2-min reconstructor. The leave-in will be applied once a day. I think this, along with a bit of humectress placed first, is just what my ends need to keep them strong, moisturized and to get rid of the frizz.
Thanks for posting this info!
Keclee23 said:Delp-
Does the book state why he recommends switching to a lye relaxer? I curious because I currently use Affirm Sensitive Scalp relaxer which is a guanidine hydroxide (aka no-lye) relaxer as opposed to the sodium hydroxide (lye relaxer) Affirm original.
I do remember though when my stylist used the Affirm original (lye formula) on my hair, my hair seemed to have moisture, but it was thin and I had a lot of shedding & breakage (my scalp was also always dry and tight) Because of that I switched stylist and she used the Sensitive scalp relaxer along with the dry & itchy scalp con/shampoo line and my hair over a period of a year became thick and grew like a race champ.
Summa Bliss said:
I know exactly what you mean. This is the most interesting thread I've come accross in a long time. It's highlighted the importance of science when it comes to hair care. I'm gonna do some research into this.
My hair would love a treatment which works as a protein but moisturises like a moisturising treatment , and it seems that Cermaides is the key to this.
But there must be a particular ingredient(s) which denotes whether Ceramides are present in the product. I really wanna know now becuase it would really help me when picking out whicch poos and cons to buy.
Side note example---- in the description on the back of some 'daily' moisturisers, they don't mention ANYTHING about being a protein treatment, but then when you look into the ingredients, and you see 'Keratin' you're like - I never knew what keratin was before LHCF. and I probably wouldn't have known what using it everyday could do to the hair without proper moisture balance if it wasn't for LHCF (Thank God for LCHF...!).
Ceramide 3 is also in the Keraphixdelp said:Ceramide 3 (that is what is on the back of my fiberguard conditioner)
OnAHairQuest said:This is another argument for using a complete line of products, and how products are made to work together.
I am about to jump on that bandwagon too, as soon as I use up all this other stuff I have and I take my soon to be installed twists out.Serenity_Peace said:Aveda, baby!!! This is the first time that my hair doesn't look dry and dull!
LynnieB said:check post #25.
3-Octadecanediol IS a ceramide.
delp said:Ceramide 3 (that is what is on the back of my fiberguard conditioner)
Priestess said:Great thread. I'm glad I bought a tube of Keraphix and a tub of Silicon Mix. They both contain ceramides. Knowledge is power!
newflowers said:This is fabulous information. In my new arsenal of hair products, I have everything BUT ceramides. I've heard of them, but had no clue to the importance they play is caring for relaxed hair.
I have a few areas of confusion that I am hoping someone will be able to clear up. The first is the type of ceramide - the first articles calls is CR18; most of the products say Ceramide 3, except for the Lan'za which has Ceramide 2. The Lan'za articles further says that hair is "12% ceramide 1 and 88% ceramide 2." What then is ceramide 3 - is it a combination of both one and two? If one is to choose a product, which one? I have access to the professional products, but would not know which one to buy as the information is - well not conflicting, but certainly confusing.
I don't recall the date on the article, but I think Ceramide 3 is probably more advanced than 2 (All, if not most Nexxus products contain c-3), so while I can't answer the percentage question, I'd say any ceramide is better than no ceramide.
The next question is where should the ceramide be in the ingredient list - presumably near the top?
Looking at my products, in the Nexxus Heat Protexx, it was somewhere in the middle. I don't think it needs to necessarily be on the top of the list to be effective, esp. if you are using more that one ceramide-containing product. Too much of anything is rarely a good thing .
If no-lye relaxer leaves a calcium reside on the hair, can it not be removed with a chelating or detoxifying shampoo? For the ceramide technology to work, wouldn't the calcuim deposit have to be removed for the product to work effectively if at all? If that is indeed the case, what product to remove the buildup? It seems to me that a clarifying shampoo would not work; it would have to be something stronger?
I don't have a chemistry degree by any means, but I am sure that if by using a corrective lye relaxer can counteract the damage caused by a no-lye relaxer, then ceramides can somehow affect the calcium buildup...Again, I am speculating, but being that ceramides can help in the cuticle binding, changes in the bonds of those compounds have to occur. And with repeated use, esp... Neutralizing shampoos have the correct pH to probably help with the deposits, so maybe you could try that.
And finally, at what point in the hair care (and especially relaxer) process would one use the ceramide product? Is it relax, rinse, neutralize, detox/chelate, ceramide, reconstruct, condition?Some other order?
If it were me, I would use a product after rinsing the relaxer and before neutralizing, and then again during deep conditioning (similar to Pixel Lady's regimen). And then perhaps during styling or post-styling (daily moisturizer). Again, overkill is not a good look .
I hope someone can help clear up some of my confusion. This has been a great thread, and I've learned so much from it, but I still need some clarification.