Jesse James Spin-Off-Cheaters by Nature

Cheleigh

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I was thinking about Jesse James' sorry apology to Sandra and kids, and in that post, some folks pointed out that Jesse was basically trailer trash anyway, so what did you expect. And Tiger and Michael J are celebrities so what do you expect.

But I think that whether a man is at your level or not, a man might cheat. Lawyers cheat. Pastors cheat. Fine upstanding citizens, (previously) great husbands and great fathers cheat. There's a very good article in April's O magazine called "The After Wife," and it's a story about a wife dealing with her husband after he cheated--a man that she would never have suspected of cheating initially.

The more I live, the more I think that it's a man's nature to WANT to cheat, and he spends his (married) life fighting/managing that desire. The things that cheating gives men--excitement (versus the "boredom" of day to day married life); anonymity (only having to show one side of himself to a woman versus the transparency needed to have a successful married relationship); the focus on the "sex" (versus the focus on the intimacy); the ego stoking (a new woman doesn't deal with the issues the married wife deals with so she stokes his ego with the 10% she does know about him, versus what the wife sees daily. Men can be somewhat naive when it comes to ego stoking, so what we see right through, they get all starry eyed over.)--I think these sort of things appeal to a man on a very gut instinctive level that don't appeal to women as much. When women cheat, it tends to be more for what they perceive as a lack of emotional support at home. There are plenty of men who get emotionally connect with a woman first too, but I think that the serial cheaters, the one-night-stand/convenience cheaters, the casual cheaters are probably more prevalent in men than women, and they probably form the higher percentage of male cheaters.

I do wish that all these folks who write the self-help books, articles in magazines and therapists that talk about how a woman can prevent her man from cheating would allow that cheating does appeal to men, that it's important to acknowledge it, and then help men learn to manage and channel that desire into ways commiserate with a committed monogamous relationship. I don't think it's bad to publicly acknowledge that most men (not all, and maybe not the vast majority, but a significant percentage) would cheat if they thought there would be no consequence. I think it's biological, not just a mental thing. I would rather my hubby get tools to cope with it now than having to deal with the aftermath of a cheater husband. We adjust women's biology all the time (we don't have to give into our body's natural desire to have children in our late teens and early 20s, for example through BC) so why not a man's?
 
its my nature to want to slap stupid people upside the head, but it doesnt justify it or make it "understandable/ok" and there r no "tools" to stop me, i just have to decide that that's something i will not do and avoid stupid people.....i dont care why people do wrong things (or what predisposes them), it can change from person to person....wrong is wrong - if u can learn not to touch a hot plate and not do it again, then u can learn to stop doing PURPOSEFULLY doing foolishness....he didn't slip into their vagina....
 
I was thinking about Jesse James' sorry apology to Sandra and kids, and in that post, some folks pointed out that Jesse was basically trailer trash anyway, so what did you expect. And Tiger and Michael J are celebrities so what do you expect.

But I think that whether a man is at your level or not, a man might cheat. Lawyers cheat. Pastors cheat. Fine upstanding citizens, (previously) great husbands and great fathers cheat. There's a very good article in April's O magazine called "The After Wife," and it's a story about a wife dealing with her husband after he cheated--a man that she would never have suspected of cheating initially.

The more I live, the more I think that it's a man's nature to WANT to cheat, and he spends his (married) life fighting/managing that desire. The things that cheating gives men--excitement (versus the "boredom" of day to day married life); anonymity (only having to show one side of himself to a woman versus the transparency needed to have a successful married relationship); the focus on the "sex" (versus the focus on the intimacy); the ego stoking (a new woman doesn't deal with the issues the married wife deals with so she stokes his ego with the 10% she does know about him, versus what the wife sees daily. Men can be somewhat naive when it comes to ego stoking, so what we see right through, they get all starry eyed over.)--I think these sort of things appeal to a man on a very gut instinctive level that don't appeal to women as much. When women cheat, it tends to be more for what they perceive as a lack of emotional support at home. There are plenty of men who get emotionally connect with a woman first too, but I think that the serial cheaters, the one-night-stand/convenience cheaters, the casual cheaters are probably more prevalent in men than women, and they probably form the higher percentage of male cheaters.

I do wish that all these folks who write the self-help books, articles in magazines and therapists that talk about how a woman can prevent her man from cheating would allow that cheating does appeal to men, that it's important to acknowledge it, and then help men learn to manage and channel that desire into ways commiserate with a committed monogamous relationship. I don't think it's bad to publicly acknowledge that most men (not all, and maybe not the vast majority, but a significant percentage) would cheat if they thought there would be no consequence. I think it's biological, not just a mental thing. I would rather my hubby get tools to cope with it now than having to deal with the aftermath of a cheater husband. We adjust women's biology all the time (we don't have to give into our body's natural desire to have children in our late teens and early 20s, for example through BC) so why not a man's?

Great food for thought, Cheleigh:grin:

I briefly scanned that article in O...(did not read because I easily tire of these discussions in women's mags)
 
I like your post's thoughtfulness and willing to explore practical solutions. I also appreciate that your post points out what many on the Entertainment board have not: that someone's having a bad boy image or being "trailer trash" or whatever do not predict infedility, anymore than being a preacher or rabbi or imam indicates true piety and compassion.

But I think we should be very wary about arguments that tell us certain *behaviors* and values and mindsets are attributable to "biology" or "nature" and that only some segments of our species are "wired" to behave X way. Invoking "biology" in this way is suspect and pseudo-scientific when applied to behavioral differences between people of different ethnic ancestries, and it is equally suspect when applied to "gender difference."

In my opinion, most human beings seek to gratify themselves above all else, even to the detriment of people they love or profess to love. We don't necessarily do it to be malicious; it's just that the Self is such a powerful driving force. We harm one another in a hundred different ways every day--from gossiping about the woman down the street to mocking an overweight person---so why do people expect that saying marriage vows will put the final lockdown on our endless ability and proclivity to do harm?

That is among the reasons why monogamy as an institution is hard for many people, not because of some "caveman-instinct" claptrap an evolutionary biologist spouts to sell books to the public.

It is usually more difficult to do good than harm. We have to work harder to still our gossipy tongues, find something kind instead of tart to say, tell the whole truth, and refrain from giving into temptation of many kinds. Some men and women keep working on themselves their whole lives; with significant effort, they keep their vows of monogamy.

Many men and women break their vows but then, with great effort, return to the "straight path."** I can respect and admire these people for not throwing up their hands, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and giving up the ghost.

And still others never put in the effort required to refrain from harm, and they keep visiting harm on those around them for the rest of their own lives.

Historically, as human beings, we have very rarely been slaves to our biology. So it is with monogamy, an institution that is difficult for humans in general: people who work hard at keeping their promises have and can find it in themselves to do so, even after they've faltered in the past.

***P.S. I don't think monogamy itself is magical and ideal, but I do think that once you've made that promise to another person, keeping it becomes a "good" and breaking it becomes a "harm." The straight path is the one you've pledged to keep your feet on, and do.
 
Not necessarily the point of the post, but did anyone consider the onset of the Bullock-James relationship, adulterous lol (since it was the example). Yep. He was married and she was fooling around with him then got the prize. Seems that few people truly think about things until they are involved to a point where they can't easily extricate themselves. Ah, poor Bullock, didn't know that extra-marital "puddi" is the same as porno extra-marital "puddi." Well, to coin a term by ThatJerseyGirl!!!

In my opinion, there are no guarantees of fidelity in a relationship, not one.
 
Like any other situation, cheating, like monogamy, is a choice.

Nothing FORCES a man to step outside of his marriage BUT him. Same for a woman.

I wish people would just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY instead of steady making EXCUSES for their trife a$$ behavior.
 
Not necessarily the point of the post, but did anyone consider the onset of the Bullock-James relationship, adulterous lol (since it was the example). Yep. He was married and she was fooling around with him then got the prize. Seems that few people truly think about things until they are involved to a point where they can't easily extricate themselves. Ah, poor Bullock, didn't know that extra-marital "puddi" is the same as porno extra-marital "puddi." Well, to coin a term by ThatJerseyGirl!!!

In my opinion, there are no guarantees of fidelity in a relationship, not one.

Wow, this I did not know... that their relationship started in adultery. Well, if they will do it with you, they will do it to you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
 
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