Genes play a role in hair type, however i do not believe in the part about genes cause the hair to grow to a certain point. Implying their hair stops growing. Im going to insist on Hair Grows however what you retain is a different story. But weather can affect the retention due to dryness and sun damage. Now thats a different story. The sun can be murder on hair. But I refuse to believe that hair only grows to a certain point.
Genes play a role in hair type, however i do not believe in the part about genes cause the hair to grow to a certain point. Implying their hair stops growing. Im going to insist on Hair Grows however what you retain is a different story. But weather can affect the retention due to dryness and sun damage. Now thats a different story. The sun can be murder on hair. But I refuse to believe that hair only grows to a certain point.
No, I will get some info for you. If you research the science of how the hair grows you will find information explaining the maximum length hair is genetically determined. Evolution and environment play a role in the expression of these genes.
Genes play a serious role in how long your hair will grow, in two ways.
Your MAXIMUM hair length is determined by multiplying your monthly growth rate, by the length of your growth (anagen) cycle. The average anagen cycle for head hair is 4-6 years. Both maximums (the maximum possible hair growth rate and the longest possible hair growth cycle) are genetically determined.
So, it is completely true that genetics DO set an upper limit to how long your hair can grow.
However! For most people, RETENTION is indeed the issue, and instead of acknowledging the fact that maybe, just maybe, it's how they are treating their hair that causes it to stay so short, they push the responsibility off of themselves, and blame it all on genes.
It's rather like losing weight - yeah, you might be genetically predisposed to be fat, but that isn't the ONLY reason that you are, ya know?
Also, a fro that APPEARS to be two inches long, could be BSL - it all depends on your shrinkage. *looks for mscocoface and her amazing shrinking hair!*
Dear Ladies,
In Africa for centuries women wore wigs to protect the hair from lice and dust. Wigs were also seen as a sign of mobility. When othrodox Jewish women get married they shave their heads and wear wigs for the rest of their lives. Women who have cancer don wigs. I don't understand how wigs got such a bad rap or became synonomous with not taking care of one's hair. Women on a whole adorn their hair wigs, colour, relaxers, etc because utimately that is the way we show our beauty to the opposite sex kind of like peacocks.
I think the reason why black women on a whole are not seen as having long hair is not because we are not capable, it is because again historically having long hair (hair that hangs/bone straight hair) or hair worn out was not a sign of beauty in many parts of Africa mostly because of the climate which is extremely hot. The focus was on a woman's neck, the smoothness of a woman's skin, her body so African women kept their hair short, in a wig (for special ceremonies), wrapped or in braids. However, now because centuries later Western images have bombarded women as to what is beautiful, everyone including black/African women want straight long hair that hangs as a sign of beauty. I am not saying that it is wrong either to have such desires but it's important to know where those desires come from historically and that we as African peoples still are tied to our traditions even though some of it has been lost which is why we love our wigs and sometimes 'outrageous' hair styles.
While I have no problem with relaxers, once they became introduced into the mainstream society, the original formulas were very damaging and caused many black women breakage (not necessarily because of lack of care) which is how damaged hair became linked to black women. Some black women cannot wear relaxers no matter how well they take care of their hair and some black women cannot grow long hair no matter how well they take of it too. If you are able to grow long hair power to you but if not it does not mean that you are unable to take care of your hair.
Best,
Almond Eyes
I agree with everything you just said.
I am also half Nigerian, half American. My father is Nigerian. My mother is black with a bunch of things. Being exposed to different cultures have taught me that not everyone, needs long hair, or feel it is an ideal. It is a Western culture thing, for black women to grow there hair realllllly long. It is not at all a bad thing, but we have a beauty that doesn't need it. I guess the Nigerian side of me always thought showing off your neck was a very sexy thing. It plays a part in why I wore my hair short for so long. And many African women have beautiful necks. If someone came to tell me that my hair was short, it wouldn't insult me. I just don't find it being a negative thing. Long hair is beautiful, but even if we couldn't grow it long, it shouldn't matter. Healthy hair a must, though! Don't get me wrong, I wanna grow my hair out, just like the next gal on this board. I say it once, I will say it again, I don't think black women need to be so caught up in what people, men, different ethnicities, think about our hair. That's how we got into this hair abusing stuff in the first place!
Thanks for the additional info. We were discussing almond eyes comment on the fact that many African ( not African American) women only grow their hair to a maximum length, which tends to be "short". This may be a protective fact due to the environment. Maybe the body, if born in ceratin African environment adjusts the length of the growing cylcle to accomodate the environment and the most benefical hair length to that environment.
I think you are right also. I am also American and Nigerian (Yuroba). This hair length thing is definately a western ideal. However, it is still pervasive in Africa. I don't know if you have been to Nigeria, but straight long hair is an ideal of beauty in the larger cities, not so much with people who still live in the Bush (country side)
There is nothing wrong with having long hair,at all. Heck I want it, and I would like to have some now! I think that we are soo caught up in what society says a black woman has, or doesn't have. All I'm saying is does it really matter, and should it? But, I hear ya!It is the age old debate of Nature vs. Nurture. I personally don't see anything wrong with a head full of healthy shoulder length hair. If your body only grows you hair to shoulder length, but you care for that shoulder length hair well who cares if society comments about black women having "short" hair.
Am I the only one who doesn't equate extensions with being bald? We're not the only ones who wear them so why is it that when others wear extensions its not seen as abnomal?
Dear Ladies,
I think this is a healthy debate even if not everyone agrees with my viewpoint. And I enjoy different viewpoints because it forces me to think.
I guess it is like body hair, some people just don't have it and some do. And I am not saying that being mixed means one can grow hair because I know many mixed women who also have a hard time growing their hair past a certain length. I am also half-Nigerian and I still think that there are some black/African women who can only grow hair to a maximum length and some of it may be due to genetics and environment (over time). I have a Ugandan friend who has locks and it took literally six years before they started dropping and I have cousins who have had afros that stay the same length and even with the stretch thing it's still short. For many African women (non-mixed) growing what is considered long hair (SL) is not a reality or else many women in Africa would have shoulder lenght hair. It's just not in the genetic coding but it does not mean it is impossible or that there are no exceptions to the rule. And I have had other ethnic groups make comments to me not only about black women not being able to have long hair but also about features but it does not bother me as long as they are not denigrating. However, I would be amiss to say that straight long hair is a sign of beauty these days and nothing is wrong with wanting that look but at the same time we have to be honest in that the value of short hair is not on the same level as long hair.
Best,
Almond Eyes
i can see why she feels that way. many black women choose not to or dont know how to care for their hair. i have a friend who has a nice grade of hair. very soft and curly, think lisa bonet. anyway her hair never grew past nl and could barely fit into a ponytail. she recently got locks and its only been one year since her bc and she is a little past sl now. she uses great products now and she loves her hair. you have to know whats best for you inorder for it to grow and you to love your hair.
There unfortunately is some truth to the statement. Many, many black women have short hair, can't grow their hair and wear wigs and weaves to cover it.
However, you've got to be pretty ignorant to think that we are incapable of growing long hair. Or that it's some astounding, amazing discovery to find a black woman with long hair.
I wouldn't get mad. We all know that's just how it is...
Dear Ladies,
I am West African and long hair is not prized in the society though now with all of the Western images from the music videos, there is pressure for African women to have long hair. It's not offensive if someone says that most black women have short hair, though I understand I myself hate generalisations and it is the way that someone says something that makes a difference. So what if we have short hair, we have beautiful skin tones and features and we don't age quickly. I guess the issue of hair is such a sensitive issue for black women in the States and we have to prove that we are still pretty or feminine to other races. However, I have to say that while we black women are to a degree obsessed about our hair, white women talk about their weight issues constantly and they are also obsessed with hair colouring which I often bring to their attention.
Best,
Almond Eyes
hmmmm...itz funny that u brought up the issue about *white women * obsessing with their weight all the time...while yez, itz true a lot of black women wear weavez, white women wear a hell of alot more of them then u can imagine...lol...most people would b surprised how many *white women* wear them...celebrities included...the only difference with them & black women iz that u just dont c them in the hood @ ur local BSS buying them...they're @ the high end beauty salonz getting theirs put in by their *stylists*...but i aint the 1 to gossip...so u didnt hear that from me...lol...
hmmmm...itz funny that u brought up the issue about *white women * obsessing with their weight all the time...while yez, itz true a lot of black women wear weavez, white women wear a hell of alot more of them then u can imagine...lol...most people would b surprised how many *white women* wear them...celebrities included...the only difference with them & black women iz that u just dont c them in the hood @ ur local BSS buying them...they're @ the high end beauty salonz getting theirs put in by their *stylists*...but i aint the 1 to gossip...so u didnt hear that from me...lol...
And they pay a lot for them. A LOT! I remember when the lady who used to braid my hair started doing weaves for ww- she was charging them 3 and 4 times what she charged bw because she could! Not because their hair was harder for her to do, they just didn't know any better.
No, genes do play a role in hair length. Due to the environment in Africa it is not necessarily benefical to have loads of hair on your head. Adaptation to the climate may be one of the reasons that some African women and men have hair that grows to a certain point. I think AlmondEyes is right on point.
Genes play a serious role in how long your hair will grow, in two ways.
Your MAXIMUM hair length is determined by multiplying your monthly growth rate, by the length of your growth (anagen) cycle. The average anagen cycle for head hair is 4-6 years. Both maximums (the maximum possible hair growth rate and the longest possible hair growth cycle) are genetically determined.
So, it is completely true that genetics DO set an upper limit to how long your hair can grow.
However! For most people, RETENTION is indeed the issue, and instead of acknowledging the fact that maybe, just maybe, it's how they are treating their hair that causes it to stay so short, they push the responsibility off of themselves, and blame it all on genes.
It's rather like losing weight - yeah, you might be genetically predisposed to be fat, but that isn't the ONLY reason that you are, ya know?
Also, a fro that APPEARS to be two inches long, could be BSL - it all depends on your shrinkage. *looks for mscocoface and her amazing shrinking hair!*
I am glad you stated that here. I was just thinking the same thing. I mean, yes, when we go out we may see mostly black women sporting weaves, wigs, braids, but you know, they may also have long hair as well, and may just be protecting their hair too!
Of course there are those that have the addicted to weave/braids syndrome (and, in turn, may not have long hair), but just like some of the women on the board that wear protective styles, they may just be protecting their hair with braids and weaves (who knows, some of them may even be members and we just don't know it!)
Genes play a serious role in how long your hair will grow, in two ways.
Your MAXIMUM hair length is determined by multiplying your monthly growth rate, by the length of your growth (anagen) cycle. The average anagen cycle for head hair is 4-6 years. Both maximums (the maximum possible hair growth rate and the longest possible hair growth cycle) are genetically determined.
So, it is completely true that genetics DO set an upper limit to how long your hair can grow.
However! For most people, RETENTION is indeed the issue, and instead of acknowledging the fact that maybe, just maybe, it's how they are treating their hair that causes it to stay so short, they push the responsibility off of themselves, and blame it all on genes.
It's rather like losing weight - yeah, you might be genetically predisposed to be fat, but that isn't the ONLY reason that you are, ya know?
Also, a fro that APPEARS to be two inches long, could be BSL - it all depends on your shrinkage. *looks for mscocoface and her amazing shrinking hair!*
no, it doesn't. Thats only one strand. A new one will pop right back in, so how can a limit be set? There is ABSO-POSITIVE-LUTELY NO LIMIT ON THE LENGTH YOUR HAIR CAN GROW nor does genetics affect it. Its the same for every single person.
Dear Ladies,
All great points.
I have to play devil's advocate, what about body hair?. Many Black/African women are not capable of growing body hair so why can't the same be said about hair on the head?. When I say not capable of growing hair, obviously I don't mean that the person is bald or hairless but that it just doesn't grow long. I know of some African women who love hairy arms (in some parts of Africa like Senegal, Rwanda and Congo, hairy arms and legs is seen as sexy by men) and they use concoctions to grow it but it just doesn't.
Best,
Almond eyes
Let me see if I can be a little clearer.
Lets say, that you gain 1/2 an inch a month, and your growth cycle (anagen) is five years, then the hair enters catagen (rest stage) and then telogen (shed stage).
That means that every year, you gain 6 inches of hair, and that hair stays attached to your head for five years. Over that time, that one strand (because each strand acts the same, just with different start times), would become a total of 30 inches - because of your personal genetics, that's the longest any single strand of hair on your head will EVER grow - and each strand behaves the same way. Thus, the longest that your hair will get is 30 inches, because when that 'new' hair pops out - it's STILL only going to grow 1/2 inch a month, and it's STILL only going to stay on your head for 5 years. Period.
I'm sorry, but you are simply mistaken. Do a little research on the hair cycle, and you will see that. If after you do the research, you still don't believe that hair DOES have a genetic preset limit (also known as terminal length) - I'm sure there will be lots of people very interested in your findings.