I am confused about Christians and their voting habits
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HappilyLiberal
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He needed to throw Wright under the bus then put it in reverse. He gave that speech in Philadelphia which gave Wright a chance to be gracious. Instead of being gracious, Wright went to a major press event and openly mocked JFK. I would have distanced myself from him as well. Wright acted like a straight up coon!
This is so true... especially when gays come before Blacks when it come to opportunities.
The new 'affirmative action' is for gays, because no one 'wants' to be accused of being intolerant...or sued by the LBGT's (please...
) It's also a sure guarantee that White gays will be ahead of Black gays.
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nathansgirl1908
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nathansgirl1908
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Absolutely. I'm not sure why others can't see this happening.This is so true... especially when gays come before Blacks when it come to opportunities.
The new 'affirmative action' is for gays, because no one 'want's to accuse of being intolerant...or sued by the LBGT's (please...
It's also a sure guarantee that White gays will be ahead of Black gays.
Kurlee
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Why won't people give this lame, tired argument a rest?erplexed
strawman argument at it's finest
Kurlee
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The 'happy' that folks are expressing is blindness; they're rejoicing over a sin that has the president's stamp of approval. Those who rejoice are those who are blocking God's conviction over this sin. They now feel that if Obama approves it, then it's their redemption from moral conviction. Obama (who is their god) has removed homosexuality from the 'sin' list. It's no longer under penalty.
Yet... there is a penalty for sin which is unrepented of; how sad for those who rejoice.
this is exactly what it is
Why won't people give this lame, tired argument a rest?
It's all they've got.
It's a worn out T-shirt with so many holes and stretches, that it no longer holds enough soap and water to even wash it. They can't apply it me
. I'll 'attack' someone for not saying Grace or even God Bless You when someone sneezes. God have mercy on the adulterer, and please don't fornicate near my gate. And please don't let someone come to Church in the wrong attire, I preach a cannon express to hell.
Nothing slides with me.... not even a 'skateboard', which is made to do so. I have no mercy to give...
ambergirl
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Thank you! That was so disrespectful and prideful it was ridiculous. But of course since he's "annointed" he's above criticism.
ambergirl
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They will NEVER take these on because no preacher wants to look at empty pews and tithing baskets Sunday after Sunday.
nathansgirl1908
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Ivonnovi
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This "the homos will take over" shiggady is the same okeydoke us's fell for & voted Bush II into office thinking "he'd save" the nation..... We went to WAR (loss thousands of lives & maimed countless others) which in many ways is far worse than allowing a "marginalized" segment of our population the freedom to live their lives.
ETA: I had "christian" co-workers declaring that if we didn't vote for Bush we were voting for the devil. (In much more polite terms though; and yes, I agree overall the elections were stolen....if he didn't get the vote, he took it (on the electoral college level especially)
ETA: I had "christian" co-workers declaring that if we didn't vote for Bush we were voting for the devil. (In much more polite terms though; and yes, I agree overall the elections were stolen....if he didn't get the vote, he took it (on the electoral college level especially)
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nathansgirl1908
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Bush stole the election both times. His "victory" wasn't the result of some okey-doke.
Kurlee
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Thank you! I grew up in churches that faced these issues head on. They would however, still counsel and help those who had those problems, though. I just don't get it. You don't have to bash Christianity to support homosexuality. The same narrow-mindedness they accuse Christians of, is the same type of tunnel vision used to support their argument. Sigh . . . . Why are folks so bitter about religion? Every time these discussions come up about religion and Christianity, folks are bitter as hell about other real and hypothetical people in the church and what they did/do. Who cares? Are you following God or other people? :roll eyes: Folks talk about Christians picking and choosing what they follow, what about them picking and choosing what to condemn and deem irrelevant? What about all the things that are happening in this world that are S-P-E-L-L-E-D out in Revelations. Translate the bible into any version or language you want, the essence and meaning of the book is the same. I just can't with all of this, sometimes. You want to support homosexuality, great, but there is no need to cherry pick at religion to make your argument. I feel like these arguments are so weak because they are premised on blaming, guilting and shaming folks into compliance, because, as I have said before, honest dialogue is not happening and folks don't really understand the whole thing, but I digress. . . .
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HappilyLiberal
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After he messed-up so badly the first four years, the second election should not have been close enough to steal!
SummerSolstice
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This is so true... especially when gays come before Blacks when it come to opportunities.
The new 'affirmative action' is for gays, because no one 'wants' to be accused of being intolerant...or sued by the LBGT's (please...
It's also a sure guarantee that White gays will be ahead of Black gays.
Shimmie i am listening over here LOL.
I always tell my black gay friends nobody is checking for them. the gay movement is for white men and it makes white men richer. they ain't checkin for women, kids, or minorities... most of these rich fools sleep with any and everything and this "civil rights movement" make it easier for them to stay rich while doing it.
SummerSolstice
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There is definitely going to be a line in the sand and Christians will be persecuted for the side they stand on.
menina
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Most definitely. I'm not surprised about it as it's predicted in the bible, but sometimes the angle of the persecution is peculiar. Not unexpected, just.. peculiar.
No one is stopping gays from living their lives. They've been doing so since Sodom and Gomorrah and that 'spirit of rebellion' has not ceased.
Christians didn't make gay marriage 'political', gays did. They took upon themselves to impose upon an all ready preexisting, established, and predefiined union between a man and a woman which does not belong to them. gays nor the government have the right to redefine marriage. It's not their's to redefine. It is not their right.
The very fact that gays and the government have come into our territory (Marriage, which has been given to us by God, not man) and to redefine it, creates a war which they have started. They are the 'invaders' and are without territorial rights.
Nothing about gay relationships equate with that of a man and a woman. They are not the same. Nothing and no one can make them the same. Neither the government nor the gay agenda have the right to bring the sacredness of marriage down to their level which is unholy. The sanctity of marriage is still and always ordained of God and will always be such.
If their validations were not so ludicrous, there wouldn't be an issue. All of this foolishness about hospital visits, insurance benefits, etc., is untrue. Single parents have access to insurance benefits for their children. Anyone can legally elect anyone of their choosing to be their medical representative. Even a wife can legally elect someone over her husband, this is anyone's right.
Marriage belongs to God, not to gays for redefinement. They can live how they want without touching that which does not belong to them, which is the sanctity of Marriage.
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You know what "Little Summer" ?
The Bible asks: "Who's on the Lord's side?" (Exodus 32:26 KJV)
The Persecution for being on the Lord's side will prove who's truly standing and who takes God seriously.
Many will say they're on the Lord's side, yet their fruit bears the opposite.
aribell
formerly nicola.kirwan
Many just ignore the ministers that actually preach about sin and then say they don't exist. They dismiss the real deal as "fire and brimstone" preachers...too old fashioned. People don't realize that churches that preach and believe in right living are very much alive and well today. But of course, if all people pay attention to are the ones who are the smoothest talkers, have the best choirs or put out the best books and TV ministries, they will easily miss the message.
I have to add that so much of this reminds me of Elijah dealing with Jezebel and Ahab. Basically, Jezebel assumed the men of God were weak and that it was just down to Elijah, and she assumed he'd be easily defeated. Even Elijah started believing it too and started to despair. But what did the Lord tell him? "Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." Even if that 7000 is scattered all over, those who seek God and truly want to follow Him in holiness are here. Real preachers, real prophets, real evangelists, teachers of the word.
The same line is continually repeated--Christians are just hypocrites. Christians don't really have great faith. Christians are no different. Just like Jesus said, there will be a day when the wheat and tares are separated, but even so, today there are definitely those who follow God in truth. At this point, I'm just like, OK, let Jezebel (the devil) dismiss the presence and power of God in the land. How did that work out for her?
aribell
formerly nicola.kirwan
You know, it really boils down to this: This society hates the concept of any standard by which a person will be judged right or wrong, good or bad. People balk at the idea that there is such a thing as sin. Christians understand that God forgives sin, but you have to recognize that God judges you for your sin and repent. No one wants to repent. Christians aren't the ones who have never done anything wrong, Christians are the ones who fear God enough to repent from the wrong they've done and turn back to Him.
Many put so much sheer energy into discrediting Christianity altogether because if the truths told in Scripture were indeed valid, then everyone would have to recognize that they are not OK as they are and would have to live a life in submission to God's commands and not just what they want to do. People hate the idea of that, it is offensive. But as Jesus said, "Blessed is the one who is not offended by me."
Kurlee
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ambergirl
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Really? So are there ministers calling for making adultry a criminal or civil offense? How about reinstituting sodomy laws which also applies to heterosexual interactions? I know the religous right is trying to make it impossible for women to get contraception but why not just make it illegal to engage in premarital sex at all?
Until the religous right starts trying to legislate heterosexuality it is not the same as its approach to homosexuality.
ambergirl
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Oh gosh. When I first posted in here I didn't realize this was the Christian forum.
I try to respect this space for those who are Christians, but I will say this with regards to this post.
This is not why most people question Christianity at all. In fact, I think most people are quite hard on themselves about their flaws and a lot of the dysfunction we see is a result of trying to compensate and cover up those flaws. One of the biggest sections in any book store is the personal development section because people are searching for ways to make their lives work better and to feel whole and complete.
Atheists question the existence of anything beyond the physical and rational. But for those who are more open to spiritual experience it's more about not agreeing that Christianity is the one and only true path, doubting that the Bible is the literal word of God, questioning the interpretations of any of the churches, priests, preachers, and ministers, and especially rejecting the imposition of those interpretations on others.
Christianity is also done in by some of its followers. There are some great Christians and there are some hateful, angry, judgemental, manipulative, mean spirited Christians and the second group is much more vocal. I don't know what you do about that but all that condemnation and judgement just makes people like me who are respectful of many aspects of Christianity just tune out and run away.
The Jesus quote you listed. "Blessed is the one who is not offended by me" is really telling. I don't think people are offended by Jesus. I know I'm not. But people are offended by Jesus' followers who from the earliest days of Christianity have skewed the message to fit their own needs and beliefs.
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Kurlee
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^^^ so again, it's about what individuals do and not about God. Why are they the focus. I meet people that are MDs that are snobs. Should I avoid MDs cuz some use their education to think they are better than others? Of course not. Christians are individuals with flaws just like everyone else and how they interpret or misinterpret their faith, should not be the criteria that people use to judge the possibility of a Christian spiritual experience. It really just sounds like a copout to me.
ambergirl
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But why would I or anyone else want to hang around those people? I go to A doctor, but I would not go to the Church of Doctors or ascribe to a belief system that I don't believe in. Jesus was amazing! But I don't believe he is the only way.
I have some cool Christian friends ( and you're pretty cool yourself Kurlee) but we just have an agreement that we accept each other where we are. I don't try to convert them and they don't try to convert me.
aribell
formerly nicola.kirwan
I'll start with the second bolded. People were and are definitely offended by Jesus. That's why He was crucified. That's why He said the quote, and that's why many people turned away from Him in the Gospels...because they were offended by His teachings. And I mean the hard ones. I don't mean the nice ones that everyone likes. One's like "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one can come to the Father except through me." In order to still like and not be offended by Jesus, many have to either ignore words like those or make them into something they aren't. It is easy not to grapple with Jesus' teachings when some are conveniently left out or glossed over.
With respect to the first bolded, genuine atheists are a very small segment of the population. The vast majority of people do believe and have always believed in God. Polls also show that the vast majority of Americans pray often. The concept of defined "doctrine," though, offends people because it boxes everyone in. If there are 5000 ways to get to "heaven," then whatever way I feel like going is probably fine, and "heaven" is whatever I envision it to be. If someone tells me there is "one" way, then I have to conform to that one way...I do not decide for myself what is wrong and what is not wrong, I don't decide what is the best way, and I have to submit to another standard that I may not like.
Of course people have a sense of their faults. Knowing that you are not perfect is not the issue. The issue is meeting God's standards rather than one's own.
Kurlee
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Thanks ambergirl. I know exactly the type of Christians that you're talking about. The ones that finish every sentence with, "the devil is a liar"
. I guess for me, I just feel like they are not reflective of everyone. When it comes to homosexuality, I feel that if they want to do whatever, they have every right to do so, without being mistreated or disrespected. However, I feel that because marriage in North America is premised on Christianity (yes marriage has different meanings and histories from donkey years ago), I think it's problematic to change it to include something that Christianity doesn't believe. I still feel that if they want to get married, they should be free to define and create their own rules and parameters that suit what they believe and what is important to them and have the room to create a system of beliefs that meet their needs and is not inferiorized.
I feel some kind of way about Obama, because his support came off as fake and half-hearted to me. It was insincere. I feel like all this strong-arming is going to back fire, because just like race, things are changing rapidly and people are getting on board, but nobody is really talking and understanding these issues and what both sides are feeling. So we will move forward as a society, but the prejudice and discomfort will be bubbling right under the surface. I think we should do this differently and actually engage each other.
Kurlee
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off topic, but kind of on. .. . post-modernist thinking is everywhere and it's driving me nuts. I have developed a disdain for it, but it seems to be following me around everywhere.
. I think I need to finally confront it.continue. . . .
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