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Chicoro said:
The bolded you stated is ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING, Wow! Thank you @MzSwift! Thank you @Napp for mentioning this initially!









I have not looked through the posted above hair threads, yet. Here is my take on this right now:

I'm a Kitchen Technician and a Kitchen Beautician so let me see hmmm....

Salt has a pH of around 8. It is a base. It is basic and raises the pH of water. What a base does is swell the hair. The hair expands and becomes pliable also called softer, or a fancier word is plasticized>

If the hair is relaxed, it is pretty much a guarantee that the hair is porous and damaged. In my world hair is either porous or not. High porosity is damaged hair, based upon my understanding of hair. I a open to be enlightened, though!

Even beautiful relaxed hair is damaged due to the change of the lye/or no lye process. Not only is the hair strand expanded, and swollen, it is swollen with water. Water is a Master Conductor or Mistress Conductrice. Sorry, I'm too old to pretend to be versed on 'binary terms'. But, I've mentioned it. I digress. Back on topic:

Now, add in amino acids, those tiny molecules can then enter into the hair shaft, especially the sulphur molecules. Those aminos can fortify the hair strand, at least temporarily. With a hair strand swollen, cuticles raised and wet, that is an ideal situation or environment for amino acids to go into the hair or that is an ideal way to facilitate the entry of amino acids into the hair strand.

The heat softens the hair and makes it even more pliable. I know that we have salt bonds in our hair. The salt bonds impact the elasticity and strength of hair. But, my gut tells me that the added iodized salt is probably not participating in any hair bond formation. I think the iodized salt is changing the pH of the hair strand environment, the water, which causes those salt bonds in the hair to be impacted. Now add in the heat which also impacts the salt and hydrogen bonds of the hair and boom: a change in texture and feel of the hair, ie - BUTTER HAIR!

I'm going to try this!!!!!

@GGsKin
@snoop
@caribeandiva
@sunnieb

ONE CAUTION! Baking soda usage:

I personally would not add baking soda to the mix. Why? Baking soda is abrasive. It can literally tear off the the precious cuticles on the hair strand. Baking soda is basic too, in terms of its pH. But the issue is not the impact of the pH, a chemical change. The potential or theoretical issue with baking soda is the physical and mechanical changes or damages it can do to a hair strand. Hair that has been stripped of its cuticles can appear and feel softer and straighter. BUT, what is happening is the hair has had a critical part of its physical structure removed and it becomes limp and unprotected. Breakage will likely follow.
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LOL at Kitchen Technician!

OMG, I LOVE this!!!
Thank you, sis!
It makes sense to me!

I don't think I've really noticed a difference using the salt as a natural and then relaxed/texlaxed. It just became my holy grail. I wish I were paying closer attention to see how different my relaxed and natural hair responded.

Oops, I didn't mean to confuse anyone reading, I don't use salt and baking soda together!! Again, I'm a chicken. lol

I use the salt+hibiscus DC as a moisturizing DC following a protein tx (not the amino acid one).

I use the Amino Acid tx (with baking soda + amino acids) as a DC before I straighten my hair when I'm stretching my relaxer because it makes my new growth easier to manipulate and I get straighter results when I flat iron or blowout.
 
VinDieselsWifey said:
I have been looking through all old my saved threads for a few weeks now. I started back using rhassoul clay after looking over the thread about “mud wash=no dc”. I’m also trying to get better about keeping my ends moisturized. I used to baggy my ends with conditioner & castor oil and it really helped me retain length.

I really wish the mods would allow us to organize our saved threads like we used to be able to do. I had my threads saved in different folders for hair, skin, etc. It was really easy to find stuff since I have so many saved threads. I put in a request a long time ago about this but nothing has been done.
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Chicoro said:
The bolded you stated is ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING, Wow! Thank you @MzSwift! Thank you @Napp for mentioning this initially!









I have not looked through the posted above hair threads, yet. Here is my take on this right now:

I'm a Kitchen Technician and a Kitchen Beautician so let me see hmmm....

Salt has a pH of around 8. It is a base. It is basic and raises the pH of water. What a base does is swell the hair. The hair expands and becomes pliable also called softer, or a fancier word is plasticized>

If the hair is relaxed, it is pretty much a guarantee that the hair is porous and damaged. In my world hair is either porous or not. High porosity is damaged hair, based upon my understanding of hair. I a open to be enlightened, though!

Even beautiful relaxed hair is damaged due to the change of the lye/or no lye process. Not only is the hair strand expanded, and swollen, it is swollen with water. Water is a Master Conductor or Mistress Conductrice. Sorry, I'm too old to pretend to be versed on 'binary terms'. But, I've mentioned it. I digress. Back on topic:

Now, add in amino acids, those tiny molecules can then enter into the hair shaft, especially the sulphur molecules. Those aminos can fortify the hair strand, at least temporarily. With a hair strand swollen, cuticles raised and wet, that is an ideal situation or environment for amino acids to go into the hair or that is an ideal way to facilitate the entry of amino acids into the hair strand.

The heat softens the hair and makes it even more pliable. I know that we have salt bonds in our hair. The salt bonds impact the elasticity and strength of hair. But, my gut tells me that the added iodized salt is probably not participating in any hair bond formation. I think the iodized salt is changing the pH of the hair strand environment, the water, which causes those salt bonds in the hair to be impacted. Now add in the heat which also impacts the salt and hydrogen bonds of the hair and boom: a change in texture and feel of the hair, ie - BUTTER HAIR!

I'm going to try this!!!!!

@GGsKin
@snoop
@caribeandiva
@sunnieb

ONE CAUTION! Baking soda usage:

I personally would not add baking soda to the mix. Why? Baking soda is abrasive. It can literally tear off the the precious cuticles on the hair strand. Baking soda is basic too, in terms of its pH. But the issue is not the impact of the pH, a chemical change. The potential or theoretical issue with baking soda is the physical and mechanical changes or damages it can do to a hair strand. Hair that has been stripped of its cuticles can appear and feel softer and straighter. BUT, what is happening is the hair has had a critical part of its physical structure removed and it becomes limp and unprotected. Breakage will likely follow.
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This is reminding me of old threads about Epsom salts or salt water sprays on hair.

I'd be willing to try this with Epsom salts if I can figure out how to work it into routine (i.e. recipe and at which point).
 
MzSwift said:
I have to go back and find the thread but I first saw it on BHM in the natural section and then here again back in 2010.
When I first started with Ayurveda, I did a straight henna tx and my hair felt like straw! I tried three different moisturizing DCs with and without oil afterwards and nothing helped. I started desperately searching the hair boards and found something about salt. I can't remember the scientific reasoning behind adding it to the DC but it made sense at the time (in my state of desperation, lol). After adding 1 tbsp of plain iodized table salt to one of the failed moisturizing DCs, my hair seemed to melt as I was applying it and felt "juicier" and softer after rinsing it out. I was a believer from that moment on and used my salt DC after my weekly light protein tx for years!

I always mix it into a THICK base (Queen Helene Cholesterol is my base for all of my DC mixes) so I'm not sure how it would work with anything that's already thin. And since then, my go-to mix has been Queen Helene + hibiscus + EVOO + salt. And I always use a thermal conditioning cap to DC. Also, I've switched between table salt and sea salt with no issues.

OK, lemme search and find some threads...

https://longhaircareforum.com/threads/its-official-salt-is-the-stuff-thanks-justkiya.309451/ Post #7 and Post # 27, (1 teaspoon of salt to 8 ounces of conditioner/recipe)

https://longhaircareforum.com/threads/an-accidental-bit-of-moisturizing-mojo.262381/. Post#36- She states would I said about pH and infusion, post #89 @Shimmie coined"Kiya Fizzie

https://longhaircareforum.com/threads/so-this-salt-in-the-hair-thing.262757/
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I read through all three threads you listed above:

How to Use Iodized Table Salt: Kiya Fizzie -Created by Kiya (Name coined by @Shimmie based on this process)
Basic Ingredients and Recipe:
  • 1 teaspoon of iodized table salt
  • 8 ounces of [thick] conditioner without silicones
  1. Use a thick conditioner. Why? Because the salt can change the texture/viscosity of the conditioner and make it thinner, or watery.
  2. Use a silicone FREE conditioner. Why? Kiya said that is all she used and some people who used silicones in their conditioner saw no results.
  3. Use this about 1x per week for deep conditioner. Why? Using it more often may be too drying.
  4. Use the mix on your head for a minimum of 25 minutes up to 2 hours. Why? People said it works better. Overnight is not needed or recommended.
  5. The softening effect happens AFTER the washout and AFTER the hair dries. Why mention this? Hair may not feel different while it has conditioner. Wait it out and rinse out to see if you get the results.
 
Chicoro said:
The bolded you stated is ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING, Wow! Thank you @MzSwift! Thank you @Napp for mentioning this initially!









I have not looked through the posted above hair threads, yet. Here is my take on this right now:

I'm a Kitchen Technician and a Kitchen Beautician so let me see hmmm....

Salt has a pH of around 8. It is a base. It is basic and raises the pH of water. What a base does is swell the hair. The hair expands and becomes pliable also called softer, or a fancier word is plasticized>

If the hair is relaxed, it is pretty much a guarantee that the hair is porous and damaged. In my world hair is either porous or not. High porosity is damaged hair, based upon my understanding of hair. I a open to be enlightened, though!

Even beautiful relaxed hair is damaged due to the change of the lye/or no lye process. Not only is the hair strand expanded, and swollen, it is swollen with water. Water is a Master Conductor or Mistress Conductrice. Sorry, I'm too old to pretend to be versed on 'binary terms'. But, I've mentioned it. I digress. Back on topic:

Now, add in amino acids, those tiny molecules can then enter into the hair shaft, especially the sulphur molecules. Those aminos can fortify the hair strand, at least temporarily. With a hair strand swollen, cuticles raised and wet, that is an ideal situation or environment for amino acids to go into the hair or that is an ideal way to facilitate the entry of amino acids into the hair strand.

The heat softens the hair and makes it even more pliable. I know that we have salt bonds in our hair. The salt bonds impact the elasticity and strength of hair. But, my gut tells me that the added iodized salt is probably not participating in any hair bond formation. I think the iodized salt is changing the pH of the hair strand environment, the water, which causes those salt bonds in the hair to be impacted. Now add in the heat which also impacts the salt and hydrogen bonds of the hair and boom: a change in texture and feel of the hair, ie - BUTTER HAIR!

I'm going to try this!!!!!

@GGsKin
@snoop
@caribeandiva
@sunnieb

ONE CAUTION! Baking soda usage:

I personally would not add baking soda to the mix. Why? Baking soda is abrasive. It can literally tear off the the precious cuticles on the hair strand. Baking soda is basic too, in terms of its pH. But the issue is not the impact of the pH, a chemical change. The potential or theoretical issue with baking soda is the physical and mechanical changes or damages it can do to a hair strand. Hair that has been stripped of its cuticles can appear and feel softer and straighter. BUT, what is happening is the hair has had a critical part of its physical structure removed and it becomes limp and unprotected. Breakage will likely follow.
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I’m surprised you didn’t hear of this trend. It was huge on here 10 years ago. It was called the Kiyafizzle, named after Kiya or Kiyawarren the member who discovered it at the time. I did it a couple of times when I was relaxed and gave up cuz I was worried about the salt drying out my hair over time. Think saltwater in hair. Then I went natural and totally focused on other things. Now that you’re resurrecting it, lemme did it another go.
 
caribeandiva said:
I’m surprised you didn’t hear of this trend. It was huge on here 10 years ago. It was called the Kiyafizzle, named after Kiya or Kiyawarren the member who discovered it at the time. I did it a couple of times when I was relaxed and gave up cuz I was worried about the salt drying out my hair over time. Think saltwater in hair. Then I went natural and totally focused on other things. Now that you’re resurrecting it, lemme did it another go.
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I'm a woman of my word! Meaning, I don't change my processes if they are working and I don't jump on every trend. I probably ignored this because whatever I was doing at the time was probably keeping me on my path. Now, I'm looking because @Napp and @MzSwift revised it and this is a time where I am revamping my hair processes. But, once I lock down my process and make a decision to move forward, anything that pops up from that moment until the point where I make my assessment and do a length/health check, I will probably ignore, too!

I'm glad I missed it the first time. It makes the learning process about hair new again, for me!

It sounds like it never did dry your hair out but that you stopped because you were worried it might dry out your hair. Is that correct?
 
Hmm, I'll be going back to my old regi and cornrowing my hair soon for wigs/scarves. I'll be using the salt DC (always after a light protein tx) as a part of my weekly hair routine. I have used it a few times as a relaxed head but not as often as when I was natural. I'm wondering if I'll see a difference as a relaxed head. I'll report back for anyone interested.
 
When I first joined this forum I built my regimen based off of a lot of the regimens from the Feature of the Months. I saved everyone’s regimen who had hair I admired and picked out a few things from each one. I still have those saved on my computer. Those Feature of the Month regimens have some gems in them too.
 
VinDieselsWifey said:
When I first joined this forum I built my regimen based off of a lot of the regimens from the Feature of the Months. I saved everyone’s regimen who had hair I admired and picked out a few things from each one. I still have those saved on my computer. Those Feature of the Month regimens have some gems in them too.
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Ahm...what you doin'? We waitin', girl.
 
VinDieselsWifey said:
When I first joined this forum I built my regimen based off of a lot of the regimens from the Feature of the Months. I saved everyone’s regimen who had hair I admired and picked out a few things from each one. I still have those saved on my computer. Those Feature of the Month regimens have some gems in them too.
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Seriously, though, this was so smart to do! The beautiful hair result shown in picture was the 'PROOF in the PUDDING' and the regimen was the "How to" or how they got that gorgeous hair. We can all still do this by looking through and combing through (pun intended) the Features of the Month posted on this sight.

I'd like to know what gems YOU picked out, though! That would help a lot of people 'cut to the chase', because I'm sure your info would be distilled and concentrated and RICH with gold nuggets in gems of knowledge.




 
This was my regimen when I was super dedicated to growing my hair. I had this saved in my Fotki. I was natural in 2003 when I joined this board and texlaxed in 2006. I’m natural again. A lot of the products I was using then have either been discontinued or reformulated. :sad:

I’m trying to get back to being this dedicated and consistent.


Regimen:

I wear my hair in a bun 99% of the time. I often baggie my ends at night.

I try to only comb my hair on wash day.


This is my usual routine on wash day. Some days i will leave out the pre-poo & light protein. But i always deep condition when i wash.

Pre-poo: 1x/week with heat

I use any one of these mixtures, usually alternating every month

* 1 avocado, 1 banana, 1 can of coconut milk, honey, evoo, a few drops of rosemary, peppermint, lavender, tea tree, basil essential oils



* honey, olive oil, conditioner, a few drops of rosemary, peppermint, lavender, tea tree, basil essential oils



*massage my scalp w/ homemade Ayurvedic oil


Shampoo:1x/week

Shikakai/Neem/Amla powder infused in water or

Aritha/Amla/Brahmi infused in water or

Shikakai/Aritha/Amla infused in water or

Swastik shikakai shampoo bar


1x/month diluted w/water:

* Elucence Moisture Benefits or Volume Clarifying shampoo

I clarify once a month or when I feel I need it.



Deep Condition: 1x/week with heat

I use a light protein, Aubrey Organics GPB , every week followed by a deep conditioner

*Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose, White Camellia, JAY, or Island Naturals

* Elucence Moisture Balancing

* Giovanni 50/50 or Smooth as Silk

I add oils and powdered herbs to my deep conditioners sometimes



Reconstructor/Heavy Protein: every 6 weeks

* Giovanni Nutrafix

* Mill Creek Keratin

* Mill Creek Biotin

I always follow these with a deep conditioner


ACV final rinse:

1 tbsp apple cider vinegar
4 cups distilled water



Leave-in Conditioner:

I alternate between

* Elucence Moisture Balancing

* Giovanni Direct Leave-in

* Giovanni 50/50 mixed w/water



I use natural oils & butters to seal after leave-in conditioner:

- shea, mango, cocoa, coffee, avocado, murumuru, cupuacu butters

- coconut, evoo, jojoba, castor, emu, rice bran, macademia nut, avocado, tsubaki(camellia), sweet almond, meadowfoam, grapeseed oils

I always had a hair butter whipped up with a mixture of butters and oils


Air dry or rollerset w/Chi Silk Infusion & water


I use henna or henna + indigo once a month.

I dust my ends as needed. I trim about 2-3 times a year
 
Well it looks like since I have a keratin treatment in my hair right now salt would strip it from my hair. Salt (or chlorine) and keratin treatments don’t mix from what I read. I’ll sit this one out for a few months until the treatment is out of my hair.
 

(This might help someone so I'm posting. ) * My hair is about six (6) inches longer now/today in October 2022, which I believe is due to having used Shea butter starting in December 2016. But my hair is not as full and thick like this right now. ​

Chicoro Feature of the Month for March 2007​

What is your hair care regimen?​

My hair is natural and I press it occasionally for straight styles. My regimen consists of deep conditioning, moisturizing, low manipulation, protective styling and low heat usage.

I apply a mixture of aloe vera liquid (or liquid gel) mixed with black castor oil, olive oil and essential oils to my dry hair and place a plastic bag on my head for about 15 minutes to 2 hours (deep conditioning). I section the hair and finger comb it and put it into loose braids. Then I wash my hair in those braids to minimize tangles (low manipulation). I place about two capfuls of shampoo into three cups of hot water and dilute that and spread the soapy water evenly over my braids and hair. I rinse my hair and use a cholesterol type conditioner mixed with olive oil and put that on my braids (deep conditioning). I unloosen each braid and comb it through with the conditioner still on it. Then I re-braid the section of hair and repeat until all my hair is combed out and loosely re-braided. I rinse out the conditioner from my braided hair. I unloosen the braids for a final rinse. I place some more of my aloe vera/castor oil/essential oils mixture on my freshly washed, detangled, loose, wet hair (sealing in moisture). I add a bit of curl activator and spray the hair to be braided with my conditioner concoction (cheap conditioner, curl activator, water, Infusium, essential oils, olive oil), slather the last 3-6 inches of hair with vaseline, braid it and put on a baggie (sealing in moisture and protective styling).

Every six weeks to three months, I use Aphogee hard protein with heat in my hair.

If I am wearing my hair straightened, I clarify my hair with water mixed with apple cider vinegar and don’t add any product to my hair a couple of days before I get it done. I then have my stylist wash and straighten my hair. I bring in a tube of Vitapoint and have her put on a dime size dab in my wet hair to protect against heat prior to her blowing it dry and pressing it.

Do you take any supplements? If so, what are they?​

No supplements.

Currently, how long is your hair and what is your hair type?​

My hair hangs thick and full past my natural waist. I do not use hair typing.

What are the things that you feel have helped you the most in achieving and maintaining your hair length?​

  • Taking responsibility for and control of the health of my hair.
  • Setting goals for my hair and writing them down.
  • Documenting my progress with photos.
  • Believing that I could reach my goals.
  • Being on LHCF and perusing the various hair albums.
  • Finding a process/regimen for my hair and sticking with the regimen.
 

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snoop said:
I know it's an older photo, but @Chicoro I think that this is the first time I've seen your hair in it's curly state. It's so pretty!
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snoop said:
I know it's an older photo, but @Chicoro I think that this is the first time I've seen your hair in it's curly state. It's so pretty!
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@snoop
Thank you so much! I accept and appreciate your lovely compliment. I don’t wear it like this because this style creates massive tangles. And it hurts so badly when I try to detangle. Thank you again!
 
I've revamped and overhauled my process. I posted the same info, but with photos, in the luscious healthy ends thread.
My hair has been at the same length for the last 4 years, sometimes a little shorter, sometimes a little longer. I'm going back
to my old processes. The only change is the use of Shea butter. I post in that it may help someone. I will be modifying this as I try this process from now
until August 2023.


Hair Care Process (Oct 2022 to August 2023)


-Wash 1x per week (without fail)
-Prepoo with oil, glycerine, aloe vera, essential oils of sage, rosemary and basil
-Wash with a baby shampoo or a shampoo I have 'softened' by putting oil in it
-Add one solid tablespoon of Shea butter to conditioner (melt that solid spoonful before putting in conditioner)+ honey+olive oil
-Condition hair under a plastic cap or with heat under dryer
-Use my sulfur mix on hair at night (1 teaspoon flowers of sulfur mixed with 2 ounces of Castor oil and 2 ounces of Olive oil, scented with peppermint, rosemary and sage oil) [Njoy's original formula is 1 teaspoon to 8 ounces of oil]
-Coat ends with concoction in spray bottle: conditioner, Scurl, oil, aloe vera, glycerine, protein/keratin, water
-Coat pony lightly with Shea mix
-Coat pony heavily with Vaseline
-Dab on my oil/aloe vera/guar gum gel on my edges to lay down hair( recipe: 1/4 cup of oil, 1/8 cup of aloe vera gel, 1 teaspoon of guar gum/blend)
-Baggie
-Every 6 to 8 weeks 2 Step Aphogee Treatment
 
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VictoriousBrownFlower said:
omg i am loving seeing all the old heads in here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHICORO!!!! U know i'm still on the shea train after all these yrs. I use it undiluted now though
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Hello Lovely Lady! I'm so glad to see you. I'm still on the Shea train, too. My breakage has triggered a re-activation of analysis and looking at old processes, products and procedures. It's fun to look back, too. Happy you posted @VictoriousBrownFlower !
 
So post wash/DC if you're using a treatment leave in (not just an ordinary leave in), like a bond treatment eg Redken Acidic Concentrate or Olaplex serum make sure that you apply it first. This is to ensure that the product can penetrate without disruption from other products. I apply mine, then wait at least 20-30 minutes before going in with my usual leave in.
 
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