Expensive Products with Bad Ingredients

[inthepink]

What is up with that?? I've seen quite a few salon brand hair products that I am curious about. Then I read the ingredients and I am less than impressed. For example, I am curious about Paul Mitchell Foaming Pomade. However, ingredients #2 and #3 are Mineral Oil and Petrolatum! Huh? I don't get it.

Does anyone have a clue as to why this is? If they are charging more, why are they still using ingredients like this when they could easily use a better oil like coconut or jojoba oil.

 

[LuvLiLocks]

I know right?!?!?!!? I thought that was a no brainer, but I guess not. Maybe it is a better "quality" Mineral Oil Hairlove

 

[FrizzMizz]

I was thinking about that too recently hairlove.

I wanted to buy Biolage Detangling Solution. But that third ingredient is like some cone.That something you expect from Drugstore brands.

Doesn't Nexuss Humetress have mineral oil in too?

 

[inthepink]

Frizz - I don't think we'll ever get away from cones. It surprises me that most of the Suave Conditioners do not have cones and cost $1. Yet many of the salon brands and higher priced drugstore brands contain silicones.

 

[Allandra]

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hairlove said:
What is up with that?? I've seen quite a few salon brand hair products that I am curious about. Then I read the ingredients and I am less than impressed. For example, I am curious about Paul Mitchell Foaming Pomade. However, ingredients #2 and #3 are Mineral Oil and Petrolatum! Huh? I don't get it.

Does anyone have a clue as to why this is? If they are charging more, why are they still using ingredients like this when they could easily use a better oil like coconut or jojoba oil.

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Nope, I don't have a clue. However, my stylist has used Paul Mitchell Foaming Pomade to roller set my hair. It makes my roller sets come out B A N G I N '. My sister-in-law (that's a hair stylist) uses this product to roller set her long thick hair (looks lovely every time).

 

[Allandra]

Did someone say cones?

Now my hair loves some good ole cones too.

 

[deedabug]

this is an interesting topic...maybe its because ppl that buy expensive brands trust the name and dont bother to read the ingredients...lol...thats the only reason i can think of

 

[foxybronx]

After looking at Kitchentician’s roller set, I brought the foaming pomade. I have to confess it is the best product that I have found for smoothing my hair into ponytail, and my rollersets. Nothing else I have used has actually smoothed my hair down and made it shiny. I have used NTM serum, john frieda texture correcting serum, keracare setting lotion, keracare foam wrap, elasta qp and motions foam setting lotion with NO success. SO I guess there is something to Paul Mitchell foaming pomade that works. It is really expensive and it does have “bad ingredients” but worth the money IMO.

 

[Kha]

Me and my friend have always wondered this. Another example would be the Nexxus Humectress conditioner and the knock-off, which is Suave Humectant. Nexxus has mineral oil and Suave does not. I do find that the more expensive products (unless they are natural or organic) have bad ingredients in them, but there's obviously some good ingredients in there too, thus maybe making them more costly.

 

[jaibee]

so Allandra, she uses water and the foaming pomade to rollerset your hair? I never thought about that. It doesn't make your hair greasy?

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Allandra said:
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hairlove said:
What is up with that?? I've seen quite a few salon brand hair products that I am curious about. Then I read the ingredients and I am less than impressed. For example, I am curious about Paul Mitchell Foaming Pomade. However, ingredients #2 and #3 are Mineral Oil and Petrolatum! Huh? I don't get it.

Does anyone have a clue as to why this is? If they are charging more, why are they still using ingredients like this when they could easily use a better oil like coconut or jojoba oil.

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Nope, I don't have a clue. However, my stylist has used Paul Mitchell Foaming Pomade to roller set my hair. It makes my roller sets come out B A N G I N '. My sister-in-law (that's a hair stylist) uses this product to roller set her long thick hair (looks lovely every time).

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[Neroli]

Here's my take on this -- each must find out what works for your hair and the items on the so-called "bad ingredients" list may actually be just the thing for your particular hair! I try not get too obsessive about "bad ingredients" - I am AWARE of them but still try to use common sense and look at what else might be in a particular product before rejecting it outright. Ultimately, I go for what WORKS for my hair. For example, my hair LOVES some humectress and I don't care what's in it! Now my hair HATES some 'cones and I try to avoid them. The main thing I'm really concerned about are detergents/surfactants and try to avoid the really harsh stuff (ALS, SLES, etc.) and stick to the mildest formulations in shampoos. Everything else is up for the jury and I let my hair decide . . .

 

[NAY007]

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deedabug said:
this is an interesting topic...maybe its because ppl that buy expensive brands trust the name and dont bother to read the ingredients...lol...thats the only reason i can think of

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I feel you Allandra. I can't live without cones.

 

[Kha]

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Neroli said:
Here's my take on this -- each must find out what works for your hair and the items on the so-called "bad ingredients" list may actually be just the thing for your particular hair! I try not get too obsessive about "bad ingredients" - I am AWARE of them but still try to use common sense and look at what else might be in a particular product before rejecting it outright. Ultimately, I go for what WORKS for my hair. For example, my hair LOVES some humectress and I don't care what's in it! Now my hair HATES some 'cones and I try to avoid them. The main thing I'm really concerned about are detergents/surfactants and try to avoid the really harsh stuff (ALS, SLES, etc.) and stick to the mildest formulations in shampoos. Everything else is up for the jury and I let my hair decide . . .

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This is pretty much exactly what I posted, and then I edited my post

. But I feel that same way, I use what works for ME regardless of what's in it (within reason). The main ingredients that I avoid are ALS, SLS, petroleum, and alcohol. The rest I use because most likely, they are listed pretty low or midway through the ingredients list and are not used that often. Besides, I can only go by samples or swaps because I don't purchase expensive products. My most expensive products are eo's or 100% natural/organic.

 

[hotshot]

i think its how these ingredients are used. they may be "bad ingredients" but a better formula that makes them less damaging.

 

[inthepink]

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Neroli said:
Here's my take on this -- each must find out what works for your hair and the items on the so-called "bad ingredients" list may actually be just the thing for your particular hair! I try not get too obsessive about "bad ingredients" - I am AWARE of them but still try to use common sense and look at what else might be in a particular product before rejecting it outright. Ultimately, I go for what WORKS for my hair. For example, my hair LOVES some humectress and I don't care what's in it! Now my hair HATES some 'cones and I try to avoid them. The main thing I'm really concerned about are detergents/surfactants and try to avoid the really harsh stuff (ALS, SLES, etc.) and stick to the mildest formulations in shampoos. Everything else is up for the jury and I let my hair decide . . .

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Oh, I definitely agree with this! Unfortunately, I had found mineral oil not to be good for my hair...I was using Fantasia IC Ice Pomade and it dried out my hair after a while. However, back then I was not washing my hair everyday so I was loading it on every day for 3 days in between washings. I wonder if that makes a difference.

Also, my beloved Skala conditioner had mineral oil somewhere in the middle of the ingredients list and it did not affect me at all.

So, I am just a little weary of this product b/c those ingredients are right at the top. Maybe I will buy it from a place where I can return it if I do not like it.

 

[Neroli]

Hairlove, I feel you -- mineral oil and petrolatum don't really bother me, but 'cones do. I had a stylist use PM foaming pomade to rollerset my hair some years ago -- I have NEVER had my hair come out so stiff, so dry, so brittle so completely unattrative -- I RUN from PM products generally 'cause they just don't get along with my hair.

When I was stunned to see ALS in the ingredients for PM foaming pomade: (ingredients: Water, Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, Disodium Cocamido MIPA-Sulfosuccinate, Pentane, Ammonium Laureth Sulfate, Polyquaternium 7, Dimethicone Bisamino Hydroxypropyl/Algae/Aloe Barbadensis/Chamomite/, Henna/Jojoba/Rosemary/Dimethicone Copolyol, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Fragrance, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben, Propylparaben).

I was like, WTF???!!! "Ammonium Laureth Sulfate?!!" what is THAT doing in a LEAVE-IN!!!! WHAT?! ALS is one of the harsher detergents found in shampoos -- what the heck is it doing in an expensive leave-in????

Okay, I'm calming down. . . everytime I think back to this experience, I get a bit worked up 'cause I went home and washed that stuff right outta my hair, after just having spent $25 bucks!!!

Anywho, that's my point about what works for YOUR hair -- I know folks who LOVE this stuff and makes their hair really look awesome. Just goes to show how DIFFERENT people hair will reacts to same products . . .

 

[abainaa]

Its true that "bad ingredients" work differently from everyone, but they do have some properties that are definitely undesirable.

Correct me if i'm wrong someone, but the reason mineral oil is so bad, besides the fact that it is not natural, is because the molecules of mineral oil are too large to actually penetrate the hair and so they sit on top of it.

All of the oils have different molecular sizes with I think jojoba being the smallest. So if you are looking for a oil to COAT the hair that might work in a styling capacity and your hair would look grat, but if you are looking for an oil with beneficial conditoning properties then mineral oil is not for you.
Hope this helps and that i'm not completely wrong.

 

[daviine]

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LuvLiLocks said:
I know right?!?!?!!? I thought that was a no brainer, but I guess not. Maybe it is a better "quality" Mineral Oil Hairlove

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You're grinning Luvli but I have often thought the same thing. Perhaps the SLS in salon shampoos is a better quality than in 99 cent shampoos?

I dunno.

 

[Allandra]

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jaibee said:
so Allandra, she uses water and the foaming pomade to rollerset your hair? I never thought about that. It doesn't make your hair greasy?

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She applies the PM Foaming Pomade to my hair and roller sets. She's fast at roller setting, so she doesn't need to use water to re-wet my hair. No, it doesn't make my hair greasy.

 

[kitchen_tician]

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foxybronx said:
After looking at Kitchentician’s roller set, I brought the foaming pomade. I have to confess it is the best product that I have found for smoothing my hair into ponytail, and my rollersets. Nothing else I have used has actually smoothed my hair down and made it shiny. I have used NTM serum, john frieda texture correcting serum, keracare setting lotion, keracare foam wrap, elasta qp and motions foam setting lotion with NO success. SO I guess there is something to Paul Mitchell foaming pomade that works. It is really expensive and it does have “bad ingredients” but worth the money IMO.

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Foxybronx, I'm glad you were inspired to buy it.

Yeah, I really like Paul Mitchell's Foaming Pomade, but I'm also a lover of any kind of oils, so the ingredients didn't bother me at all. A stylist at Trade Secret recommended it and she explained that it had oil in and not to use any extra oils or sheens when roller setting.

I used it for my flexi set and my roller set. My hair was very shiny and held my curls very well, but you must be careful not to use too much, because it will be oily. I made that mistake on a couple of pieces when I rolled it. I have pics in my album under Flexi Rods - Aug 2004. The only downside is that it takes a while to shampoo it all out.

I'm not a chemist, but maybe the ingredients work best with mineral oil and petroleum, opposed to coconut and jojoba oil.

Who knows, but I like it.

I'm a grease monkey and I'm pretty darn proud of it!!!

 

[inthepink]

I'm glad it works for you Kitchen.

After giving it some thought, I've decided not to purchase. I'm trying to stick to my pj recovery rules - not to buy products I know have ingredients that didn't work for me in the past. It's still disappointing though!

 

[bocagirl]

I love my Paul Mitchell's Foaming Pommade and will not be giving it up.

 

[Jenai]

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LuvLiLocks said:
Maybe it is a better "quality" Mineral Oil Hairlove

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[Britt]

Is this PM foaming pomade a leave in? Or is it something that I would use in addition to my leave in b4 I rollerset?

 

[Allandra]

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Britt said:
Is this PM foaming pomade a leave in? Or is it something that I would use in addition to my leave in b4 I rollerset?

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My stylist uses it as a leave-in/setting agent. When my stylist uses it to roller set my hair, she uses nothing else.

 

[Allandra]

Multi-Texture Smoothing Polish
• Provides smooth control
• Creates intense shine
• Softens texture

*This info is from the PM website.

 

[Britt]

Thanks Allandra

 

[JetBlack]

Wonderful post.

 

[tryn2growmyhair]

Me and my friend have always wondered this. Another example would be the Nexxus Humectress conditioner and the knock-off, which is Suave Humectant. Nexxus has mineral oil and Suave does not. I do find that the more expensive products (unless they are natural or organic) have bad ingredients in them, but there's obviously some good ingredients in there too, thus maybe making them more costly.

Which one worked better for you? Is Humectress worth the extra money?

 

[tryn2growmyhair]

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foxybronx said:

I'm not a chemist, but maybe the ingredients work best with mineral oil and petroleum, opposed to coconut and jojoba oil.

Who knows, but I like it.

I'm a grease monkey and I'm pretty darn proud of it!!!

Honestly, I think that main reason that most companies use mineral oil and petrolatum (which is basically vaseline) is that it is cheaper than using jojoba oil and coconut oil. That's why I would rather just spend money on the raw ingredients myself than paying for a high-priced brand with bad ingredients. A high-priced brand with good ingredients is another matter.