Dont stone me... but I have a logical question...

[PanamasOwn]

Do you believe EVERY WORD of the bible? DO you feel that in anyway, shape or form, words were changed, and/or events were misconstrued?

If you are a hard-thumping, i dont believe anything but the bible type of person, what are your reasons for believing this...

NOW THIS IS FOR LOGICAL DISCUSSION.... THIS IS A QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE BIBLE AND I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.....


**LADIES THIS IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM...DONT LOSE YOUR RELIGION UP IN MY THREAD**:fallenang

 

[gone_fishing]

Maybe this will help:

This is truly a difficult issue to grasp. Only the original autographs (original manuscripts written by the apostles, prophets, etc.) are under the divine promise of inspiration and inerrancy. The books of the Bible, as they were originally written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21), were 100% inerrant, accurate, authoritative, and true. There is no Biblical promise that copies of the original manuscripts would equally be inerrant or free from copyist errors. As the Bible has been copied thousands of times over thousands of years, some copyist errors have likely occurred.

How do we deal with this? First, it is important to remember that the biblical manuscripts we have today are in 99% agreement with one another. Yes, there are some minor differences, but the vast majority of the biblical text is identical from one manuscript to another. Most of the differences are in punctuation, word endings, minor grammatical issues, word order, etc. – issues easily explainable as scribal mistakes. No important theological or biblical issue is thrown into doubt by any supposed error or contradiction. Biblical manuscripts from the 15th century agree completely with manuscripts from the 3rd century. We can have absolute confidence that the Bible we have today is almost exactly identical to what the apostles and prophets wrote 2000+ years ago.

Second, we should not be quick to say “Oh, that is just a scribal error.” The vast majority, if not all, of Bible “errors” can be explained in a logical and believable manner. Those that cannot by explained, or are very difficult to explain – could very well have an answer that we simply do not know at this point. Just because we cannot find a solution does not mean that a solution doesn’t exist. Believing there to be a scribal error must be the absolute last resort in any supposed Bible “error.”

Ultimately, though, it is possible that errors have crept into our modern manuscripts and translations of the Bible. Copyists and translators are human beings and they make mistakes. The fact that the Bible is incredibly accurate is a testimony to its inspiration and preservation by God.

Can we still trust the Bible? Absolutely! The Bible translations we have today are God’s Word. The Bible today is just as authoritative as it was in the 1st century A.D. We can completely trust the Bible as being God’s message to us today. Yes, the biblical promises of inspiration and inerrancy only apply directly to the original manuscripts. That does not impact, though, whether our modern Bibles are accurate and authoritative. God’s Word endures forever, despite the occasional failings and mistakes of copyists and translators.

from gotquestions.org

 

[PanamasOwn]

While I agree with the above post, I am still troubled by a few things. There was a point in the bible where the purity of man had been demolished and God could only find but a few to his bidding. You then saw women becoming prophets and doing God's work, because so many men were, inadequate of such a task. But as you read on, you find the tone beginning to change. A woman should not preach to the church, but ask her husband if she has questions. (new testament) <--------- things like this...where did that come from? I refuse to believe that God created women to simply serve her husband, do as she as told, because this is a good Christian wife.

Even more so, after extensive research (on my own), I have come to find that Mary Magdelene was not a whore, but of royalty. These are the things that I am troubled with. Why would a man go thorugh such great lengths to downplay the importance of women in the Bible? I question some of the things because Kings had a great say-so as to what he allowed his people to read and fill their minds with. Had women knew of the inner grace and power that God blessed with, it could topple his very position as king, so why not make a few changes, so no questions are asked. Changing some words would also deem the Catholic church (ruling faith at the time) beneficial, to maintain order of religion thorughout the land.

sorry for the rant, but I had a conversation with a lady at work today and her mindset in being submissive to her husband was disgusting. She allows him to do as he pleases and without question because that is her husband and the bible tells her to do so.

 

[missty1029]

Let me just say I am no bible expert. But its interesting you ask this. someone was talking to me about the Bible and this is what he said. If you read in Genesis 1:28 God commanded Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. Replenish means to fill up again. If Adam and Eve were first, then why would they need to fill it up again? I could not answer but I would love to hear one because it is interesting. and yes goes to the translation and even meanings of the words.

 

[janiebaby]

While I agree with the above post, I am still troubled by a few things. There was a point in the bible where the purity of man had been demolished and God could only find but a few to his bidding. You then saw women becoming prophets and doing God's work, because so many men were, inadequate of such a task. But as you read on, you find the tone beginning to change. A woman should not preach to the church, but ask her husband if she has questions. (new testament) <--------- things like this...where did that come from? I refuse to believe that God created women to simply serve her husband, do as she as told, because this is a good Christian wife.

Hey Panama! Could you please cite the biblical reference so that I can read about this?

 

[janiebaby]

Let me just say I am no bible expert. But its interesting you ask this. someone was talking to me about the Bible and this is what he said. If you read in Genesis 1:28 God commanded Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. Replenish means to fill up again. If Adam and Eve were first, then why would they need to fill it up again? I could not answer but I would love to hear one because it is interesting. and yes goes to the translation and even meanings of the words.

I've always read "fill" never replenish. Do you know which version said "replenish" Missty?

 

[tffy2004]

Translation translation translation. Words get get mixed up in it and there is nothing we can do about it. Sadly when translating Hebrew to English one Hebrew word could translate to two different words in English depending on the context. And two different Hebrew words could translate to one English word.

The way I see it is, when you want to know something on a subject get more than one scripture on the subject and more than two if you can find them. One example of a screw up in translation of the Bible is:

Luke 23:43
43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

John 3:13
13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Punctuation in English writing and the translation process is critical. These two scriptures above are the Messiah himself speaking. According to the English versions of the Bible the Messiah has lied in one of the above statementserplexed

if you look at the first scripture and move the comma thats after 'truth' and put it after today then it would not make the Messiah seem as though he is contradicting himself.

Bottom line is Intentional or Not there are slip ups and Personally I just take it with a grain of salt and also make sure I get more than two scrips to back up the conclusion I come to.

All of what I have read in the Bible I do believe every word with some salt handy

 

[Shimmie]

Do you believe EVERY WORD of the bible? DO you feel that in anyway, shape or form, words were changed, and/or events were misconstrued?

If you are a hard-thumping, i dont believe anything but the bible type of person, what are your reasons for believing this...

NOW THIS IS FOR LOGICAL DISCUSSION.... THIS IS A QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE BIBLE AND I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.....


**LADIES THIS IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM...DONT LOSE YOUR RELIGION UP IN MY THREAD**:fallenang

No one can stone you... Many, many of the most devout 'Doubters' of God's word are now living breathing testimonies of giving God the highest glory, than even those who profess to have believed always.

I've had my doubts, yet God has proven every doubt to be doubted and not His word. God has proven His word to me time and time and time and time and time again and again.

I've come to know "He is the God who healeth me and my loved ones and even 'strangers' for whom I've prayed.

I come to know that I have authority over all devils and that I can cast them out and that none can harm me.

I've come to know that God will save me and my house (my family)

I've come to know that God has never left me nor has He forsaken me.

I've come to live and know my provision fails me not.

I've come to know the Healer of my broken heart experiences

I've come to know Him as my Burden Bearer

I've come to know Him as my great Deliverer and His protection from all mine enemies.

I've come to know Him as my new life and my new beginning.

I've come to know Him.....as my Friend who sticketh closer to me than any brother..

I've come to know Him who is the Word and He is the Word who became flesh and has dwelt among us and now dwells within...my heart.

No, angel, I cannot stone you for asking this question. For no one has put to the test more than I...God's word; I who once doubted and is now among the greatest of Believers.

I stone you not....I stone you not, I embrace you for presenting the question of most honor..."Lord, if you are real, show me; show me that I may believe...in you. My Lord you are...forever. Amen and Amen. :heart2:

I am the Lord and I change not...keep my word hidden in your hearts that I may prove you in Me....:heart2:

 

[metamorfhosis]

PanamasOwn-

Interesting question...........

I actually know of a case in which the bible has been altered recently. There is a televangelist named Pastor Gino Jennings (from Philadelphia, PA) who has added some "lost" books to the Bible. My Father enjoys watching his telecast. I read to him Rev 22:18-19:

Revelation 22:18-19 (New International Version)

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

​

So my Dad says well they are "lost" books. I think the only one who will know who is right is GOD.

I think this is a question that only GOD knows. So make sure you can ask HIM when you see HIM.

The Bible is all I have to go on. So I do believe it. That doesn't mean that I don't have questions or wonder about scripture. For example, I wonder about the Rapture. It's not that I don't think it's possible but I do wonder with my small mind (compared to GOD's) how in the world is it going to happen. I think about the details.

In regards to the Bible, I will say this...........sometimes people limit GOD to only what's in the Bible. But HE is SO much more. HE performs miracles everyday (I know this personally) and he talks to us (just to name only a few things that he does).

HE is EVERYTHING and can do whatever HE wants WHEN HE wants.

 

[Farida]

I don't believe every single thing. Why? I often read articles dealing with bible translations and as someone who speaks several languages I know a lot gets lost. There are also several known inconsistencies.

At the end of the day i adhere to the central message: JESUS. If Luke says someone walked 300 miles and John says 350, does that affect the central message of the bible? That's how I see it.

 

[PanamasOwn]

yea you guys...dont get me wrong.. I am a very faithful believer... Jesus is my everything, and there is no shaky ground when it comes to him or God. I guess some of the inconsitentecies trouble me because as people we are weaned to be curious and seek the truth. I imagine all I can do, is continue to research and pray for enlightment in this journey.

 

[Farida]

yea you guys...dont get me wrong.. I am a very faithful believer... Jesus is my everything, and there is no shaky ground when it comes to him or God. I guess some of the inconsitentecies trouble me because as people we are weaned to be curious and seek the truth. I imagine all I can do, is continue to research and pray for enlightment in this journey.

I don't believe in blind faith. I always encourage people to study. If what you believe is true, it will stand up to scrutiny. Several things trouble me as well, and I really hate when people make me out to be a bad person because I question things. Very strong faith, IMO, starts somewhere and then is fortified when you really know why you believe what you believe, otherwise you might as well just believe in Santa Claus.

 

[Sweet C]

Do you believe EVERY WORD of the bible? YES
DO you feel that in anyway, shape or form, words were changed, and/or events were misconstrued? Yes, not intentionally, but only due to translation (for further info see adequate's post), and the language is still correct, is just that if you want a deeper understanding of the scripture, it would be helpful to have a Hebrew/Greek lexicon. For example, my husband just did a study on praise. In English, we have one word for praise. In the Hebrew there are seven, so when you look at the word praise in the Hebrew, you have a better understanding and can a deeper revelation as to what type of praise a particular scripture is referring to. But yet in still, you know that praise no matter what specific kind in the Hebrew is a way to give God thanks.

 

[Sweet C]

This is exactly why is good to study and dissect the Word. Panama, not to pick, but I am going to use your post as an example.

While I agree with the above post, I am still troubled by a few things. There was a point in the bible where the purity of man had been demolished and God could only find but a few to his bidding. You then saw women becoming prophets and doing God's work, because so many men were, inadequate of such a task. But as you read on, you find the tone beginning to change. A woman should not preach to the church, but ask her husband if she has questions. (new testament) <--------- things like this...where did that come from? I refuse to believe that God created women to simply serve her husband, do as she as told, because this is a good Christian wife..

I have heard preachers state that this same concept to place bondage on women. Most often stating that Deborah was only a prophet and a judge, b/c they were no other men around to do so, and citing Barak's unwillingness to go up to fight as evidence of such. Well I believe that is a faulty argument b/c a)no where in scripture, especially the passages dealing with Deborah (Jud 4 and 5) does it indicate that Deborah judged Israel b/c there is no other man to do so. b) Even when women were in godly positions of authority, scripture does not indicate that their position is due to no men being able. If that was so, then why do we have Miriam (Exd 15:20), Huldah (2 Chr 34:22), and Isaisah's wife (Isa 8:3) at the same time with other might men of God living at that same time period. c) If initial cowardness is disqualification from leading God's people, then that would cancel out Moses,Jonah, etc. to name a few.

sorry for the rant, but I had a conversation with a lady at work today and her mindset in being submissive to her husband was disgusting. She allows him to do as he pleases and without question because that is her husband and the bible tells her to do so.

A lot of time b/c women don't understand their role biblically, they become misled. The scripture does say submit to your own husband, and that is correct. But submit does not mean be a doormat and your own husband is the key (not every man cause he is a man). This is why once again it is so critical to allow the Holy Spirit to help guide you and ask for understanding when studying God's Word. And when using extra resources, one must be careful not to take these extra books as gospel, b/c some are creditable and very useful historical references, while others are pure fiction.

 

[SweetlyBlessed]

I think it's important to remember the difference between doctrine and dogma. Yes people should study and read for their interpretation but we get in trouble when those interpretations are taken out of context and used for our own reasonings/justification (dogma) and not lead by the Holy Spirit to know what applies for us today.

For me personally, I believe every word of the Bible and it's promises, however knowing when to apply certain laws, principles, etc. takes more then just belief. I have faith that God will direct me in how to apply the Word and won't fault me if it has become misconstrued through the hands and minds of man along the way; He knows I was just seeking. When we commune with Him, we should be able to get the answer on something straight from the source, hear his voice; that way there is no doubt about something and it's interpretation and we by pass the middleman. We are not to put our trust in man alone aways. Ggive me a direct line straight to Big G. He can either day, "Thus is true my precious child," or "Naw home skillet; I aint neva say that!"

 

[SweetlyBlessed]

This is exactly why is good to study and dissect the Word. Panama, not to pick, but I am going to use your post as an example.



I have heard preachers state that this same concept to place bondage on women. Most often stating that Deborah was only a prophet and a judge, b/c they were no other men around to do so, and citing Barak's unwillingness to go up to fight as evidence of such. Well I believe that is a faulty argument b/c a)no where in scripture, especially the passages dealing with Deborah (Jud 4 and 5) does it indicate that Deborah judged Israel b/c there is no other man to do so. b) Even when women were in godly positions of authority, scripture does not indicate that their position is due to no men being able. If that was so, then why do we have Miriam (Exd 15:20), Huldah (2 Chr 34:22), and Isaisah's wife (Isa 8:3) at the same time with other might men of God living at that same time period. c) If initial cowardness is disqualification from leading God's people, then that would cancel out Moses,Jonah, etc. to name a few.



A lot of time b/c women don't understand their role biblically, they become misled. The scripture does say submit to your own husband, and that is correct. But submit does not mean be a doormat and your own husband is the key (not every man cause he is a man). This is why once again it is so critical to allow the Holy Spirit to help guide you and ask for understanding when studying God's Word. And when using extra resources, one must be careful not to take these extra books as gospel, b/c some are creditable and very useful historical references, while others are pure fiction.

Well put Sweet C. You broke it down nicely.

 

[nychaelasymone]

some of my Bible study notes-hope this helps

The Source & Origin of the Scripture1. Bible's original translations are Hebrew, Aramaic, & Greek
2. Written by Him through men He inspired 2Timothy 3:16
3. What was written came from God
4. The Bible has been translated in various languages
5. Translation may have error but not the original text
The Old Testament
1. Copied by Jewish scribes, some copies are available now
2. Written over several hundred years by several people w/ painstaking details
New Testament
1. Written over 50 years
2. The books were coming together over the years in various ways
3. Combined with the old testament by the Council of Carthage(sp)
-each New Testament book had its own requirements
-apparent contradictions can be explained if viewed properly
Numbers 25:9
1Corinthians 10:8
Common Theme is Salvation
6. God alone is sovereign & the Bible is His inspired word.
A. Great danger in having another source of authority, i.e The Book of Mormon & the Watch Tower
7. Common Theme of the Bile is salvation
confidence of scripture is due to the fulfillment of prophecy
Prophecy Fulfillment
Isaiah 53: 12 Luke 23:34
Psalm 69:4 J John 15:24-25
Psalm 38:11 Luke 23:49
Psalm 109:25 Matthew 27:39
Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18, 24
Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 27:12
8. History
A. Dead Sea Scroll give evidence of 36 of 39 of the books of the Bible
9. Archeology-most events & places in the Bible has been confirmed through archeology.
10. Scriptures affirm themselves
Matthew 5:17-18, 10:15, 12:17,40, 17:11-12, 19:3-5,12, 17:11-12, 19:3-5, 23:25
I Timothy 5:18
I Deut. 25:4
Luke 10:7
The Bible Changes Lives
Joshua 24:15-Pastor's favorite and family verse.
15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
I Kings 18:21
Ezekiel 20

 

[PanamasOwn]

very good points ladies... so here is a good question (i cant remember who mentioned it), but the lost books (dead sea scrolls for example), how do we explain that? Catholics have quite a few more books than the Kings James version, and it is def. something all Believers should read. How do we explain the lack of knowledge that was taken away from the Bible, such as the Catholic books and the dead sea scrolls?

Should that not also be a part of our Chrisitian regmine? Or do we just ignore it because it was NOT placed in front of us??

Im not in doubt of the Bible, by any means, but I am curious to know its TRUE authenticity because some of these books were once part of it, before the reign of various kings. That DOES NOT diminish the Bible's value, but, it logically takes away from its' authenticity.

 

[nychaelasymone]

DISCLAIMER...THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION

But I think that the Bible in its form was and is intended to be the way it is. I believe God fashioned it this way for a reason and although their are other books that didn't make it into its final form, He did that for a reason. I believe the other books give evidence to the validity of the Bible and its intention to save and to change lives. I also believe as Christians it is up to us to study and its not like these other sources aren't available for us to research, I just think some of us don't study enough to lead us to want to research those other sources.....again, just my opinion

very good points ladies... so here is a good question (i cant remember who mentioned it), but the lost books (dead sea scrolls for example), how do we explain that? Catholics have quite a few more books than the Kings James version, and it is def. something all Believers should read. How do we explain the lack of knowledge that was taken away from the Bible, such as the Catholic books and the dead sea scrolls?

Should that not also be a part of our Chrisitian regmine? Or do we just ignore it because it was NOT placed in front of us??

Im not in doubt of the Bible, by any means, but I am curious to know its TRUE authenticity because some of these books were once part of it, before the reign of various kings. That DOES NOT diminish the Bible's value, but, it logically takes away from its' authenticity.

 

[SweetlyBlessed]

DISCLAIMER...THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION

But I think that the Bible in its form was and is intended to be the way it is. I believe God fashioned it this way for a reason and although their are other books that didn't make it into its final form, He did that for a reason. I believe the other books give evidence to the validity of the Bible and its intention to save and to change lives. I also believe as Christians it is up to us to study and its not like these other sources aren't available for us to research, I just think some of us don't study enough to lead us to want to research those other sources.....again, just my opinion

I agree! And I wasn't there so I can't say . I'll work with what I have now which ever version it may be.

 

[Farida]

Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ" has very compelling arguments for bible validity (just the gospels but I think it can apply to the book as a whole). It is a very good read.

 

[MindTwister]

Very interesting topic...
For those of you who don't believe in everything, how to you choose what you believe in?

 

[discobiscuits]

i have yet to read every word of the bible so i can't say i believe every word or not. i can say that i trust god to ensure that the bottom line of his word is available for believers.

i do know for a fact that over the years, translations change based on the common language of the day. the earliest known original texts that scholars use to translate from are still available. with that said, as time has progressed, the etymology of words changes over time. the original text translated into the kjv in today's english is outdated. that does not mean it is incorrect, it just needs to be translated to reflect the meaning today. (not to suit the "world" but for correct understanding so we can rightly divide. wrong translation=wrong or misinterpreted meaning). like the word 'bless' today it is defined as a thing we do verbally (see def below).

however (i just learned this a few days ago) in the original text (not sure if it is hebrew, aramaic, or what) but it was an action. today we say bless the food or i bless the lord as in do a verbal thing. in original thought the word (dont' remember what that was either since i was not writing notes) that was translated into the word we call bless meant "to bow down on bended knee or prostrate and worship god or to bow down in submission in worship. [this is why i like bibles that are thought-for-thought rather than word-for-word translations because those type of bibles capture the essence and meaning better than word-for-word. sometimes a w-4-w translation misses the meaning entirely. even more importantly since some languages don't even have words to translate to/from, one must use thought-for-thought.

*sigh i'm getting long winded*

so, i believe the concepts, rules, commandments that god laid out for us more so than each and every individual word. this is also why i have a living bible, a kjv, an niv and i forget the other one plus a side by side bible so that i can see the w-4-w and the t-4-t side by side.

i'll run on and on more later, i'm still reading some of the other informative posts.











Mirriam-Websters:
Main Entry:bless Pronunciation: \ˈbles\ Function:transitive verb Inflected Form(s):blessed \ˈblest\ also blest \ˈblest\; bless·ingEtymology:Middle English, from Old English blētsian, from blōd blood; from the use of blood in consecrationDate:before 12th century 1: to hallow or consecrate by religious rite or word2: to hallow with the sign of the cross3: to invoke divine care for <bless your heart> —used in the phrase bless you to wish good health especially to one who has just sneezed4 a: praise, glorify <bless his holy name> b: to speak well of : approve5: to confer prosperity or happiness upon6archaic : protect, preserve7: endow, favor <blessed with athletic ability>

 

[SweetlyBlessed]

i have yet to read every word of the bible so i can't say i believe every word or not. i can say that i trust god to ensure that the bottom line of his word is available for believers.

i do know for a fact that over the years, translations change based ...

I like the underlined statement.

 

[discobiscuits]

I don't believe in blind faith. I always encourage people to study. If what you believe is true, it will stand up to scrutiny. Several things trouble me as well, and I really hate when people make me out to be a bad person because I question things. Very strong faith, IMO, starts somewhere and then is fortified when you really know why you believe what you believe, otherwise you might as well just believe in Santa Claus.

Thanks for that post. I too agree that people should read, study, challenge. We have to be instant & ready to defend our faith.
For me there are things that I take with thought & prayer. One is that the bible contains people's opinions or suggetsions. Solomon & Paul both shared their opinions on life/living by god's way. Their opinion is not the same as God's direct words or instruction.
Another thing I consider is the bible as it is currerntly assembled may not be the whole of God's holy scriptures. Why? Because the bible was cannonized
. In layman's terms that means that humans got together & decided which text to ex/include based on exhaustive study. Some of these men were only historians or scholars but most were religious scholars whose commitment was to god & his word & took the translating & compilation seriously. Because of that I have to trust God that He ensured that those ppl were on point.
However, we must also consider that the average protestant swears by the KJV as the end all be all & if u do not go by that translation then u r wrong. That is not the case. It has been proven that the translators of the KJV missed some things and incorrectly translated some things. This, for the most part was not intentional.
Add to that the historical religious goings on when the kjv was translated & u will find bible scholars that have found portions of the kjv to have been manipulated to suit the times but this "manipulation" did not negate the bible's message.
There are other writings in existance that pre date things like the Dead Sea Scrolls that were not cannonized b/c the scholars then & now concur that they to not meet the 'criteria' for inclusion in the bible. This begs the question what is truth and what is not? Does it mean that if it is not in the bible it is false? Take The Book of Judas as an example. It will never be cannonized but some scholars find that it meets some of the same criteria that the current books of the bible meet.

I do not believe every word of the bible as the end all be all because not every scripture is word direct from god. Some is man's opinion aul, solomon, david: but those opinions are to guide believers to god and jesus ans righteous living not away from. That is why they say the word is inspired because not all comes directly from god but some comes from men at the unction of god through the holy spirit (NT) or dreams/visions/personal experience (OT).

 

[dicapr]

I believe every word of the bible, but I do not trust everyone's interpretation of the word. As you study, the Holy Spirit will reveal Gods meaning, not the pastors or the congregations meaning. Alot of times we read things in the context that we grow up in, not how they were actually written. We limit God in believing that mankind could possible destroy his plan for salvation by removing key elements of salvation from his word. I believe that the OP is making references to some statements made by Paul. I used to hate reading Paul because of some of his messages for women. But further study showed that alot of times Paul would give his opinion on matters, and they were shaped by the attitudes of male/female roles of the time. God has many examples in the bible that illistrate his creation of men and women as equals.

 

[discobiscuits]

I believe every word of the bible, but I do not trust everyone's interpretation of the word. As you study, the Holy Spirit will reveal Gods meaning, not the pastors or the congregations meaning. Alot of times we read things in the context that we grow up in, not how they were actually written. We limit God in believing that mankind could possible destroy his plan for salvation by removing key elements of salvation from his word. I believe that the OP is making references to some statements made by Paul. I used to hate reading Paul because of some of his messages for women. But further study showed that alot of times Paul would give his opinion on matters, and they were shaped by the attitudes of male/female roles of the time. God has many examples in the bible that illistrate his creation of men and women as equals.

this is an example of exactly what i mean when i say that i do not "believe" every word so-to-speak.

 

[Amour]

I believe every word of the bible, but I do not trust everyone's interpretation of the word. As you study, the Holy Spirit will reveal Gods meaning, not the pastors or the congregations meaning. Alot of times we read things in the context that we grow up in, not how they were actually written. We limit God in believing that mankind could possible destroy his plan for salvation by removing key elements of salvation from his word. I believe that the OP is making references to some statements made by Paul. I used to hate reading Paul because of some of his messages for women. But further study showed that alot of times Paul would give his opinion on matters, and they were shaped by the attitudes of male/female roles of the time. God has many examples in the bible that illistrate his creation of men and women as equals.

I agree with the bolded

 

[dicapr]

this is an example of exactly what i mean when i say that i do not "believe" every word so-to-speak.

I do not think that is disbelief. Paul states that it is his opinion. In one instance, he even states that it is not a divine revelation. So someone giving their opinion does not take away from the over all belief that the bible is the word of God.

 

[discobiscuits]

I do not think that is disbelief.

Paul states that it is his opinion. In one instance, he even states that it is not a divine revelation. So someone giving their opinion does not take away from the over all belief that the bible is the word of God.

thanks. you said it. paul's opinions are not divine revelation (AKA not god's word). if someone chooses to believe that every word in the bible is the word of god that is their choice. when one of the major writers in the bible says that his writing is his opinion, then i offer it is not god's word. a person's opinion is not the word of god.

satan's words are in the bible as well. satan's words are not god's words. i would offer that god did not inspire satan to do, think, or say the things he did. so when ministers say the bible is god's word, they don't mean literally every word is his word, it means the bible is god's handbook for christian living; it is the good news of the risen christ. it is also a historical document and a geanology and a love letter and so many other things all of which work together for his purpose.

there are so many writings out there that are not included in the bible. i have to trust god that he put his word into the hands of ppl who did not adulterate it to the point that it is corrupted. i have to trust that these ppl did not include certain writings because the criteria for inclusion decision making are somehow guided and controlled by god/hs. i have to trust and believe that over all, the bible is of god even if some words in the bible are'nt.

believing every word in the bible is not the same as every word in the word being god's word.