Here are some pics of me with the Long and Wide on mostly 4a hair. You can check my siggy for a better look at what my hair is like wet and in its natural state (12/07 pic). I guess I uploaded them backwards, but on the right is pics of them just out of the roller then separated then with a scarf. Since the main complaint was how long they last I tried to add some Lottabody and IC Polisher gel to each section; well see how it works out. Its still pretty soft, but it has a little hold.