Astrology and Christianity?!?
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Rainbow Dash
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It is still against God. In Isaiah God deals with Israel for following astrologers and stargazers.
…For you have trusted in your wickedness… Therefore evil shall come upon you… trouble shall fall upon you… Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, And the monthly prognosticators stand up and save you from what shall come upon you. Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame… Isaiah 47:10-14
We should never trust in astrological beliefs or predictions. For Christians our lives are not determined by the stars or movement of planets
They aren't predicting. Many are going by the dates in the farmers almanac (which should be banned as it's about the movement of the moon). And that would also mean that they would not harvest at the right time. And why does God talk about the New Moon festival in a positive light?
I'm thinking that determining when to garden or when a tsunami or hurricane will hit may not be the same thing. But I need clarity.
Weather predictions etc will all to stop if it's astrology.
Rainbow Dash
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Good questions. Maybe someone else can chime in.
From what I have gathered some of the uses of the Zodiac are found in the Farmers Almanac. Certain signs let them know when to plant gardens in order to get the best harvest. Also, some say it is based on astronomy.
As far as weather. There are satellites and instruments used to monitor the activity.
I have not studied the new moon in depth, maybe someone else can step in and assist.
From what I have gathered, the biblical New Moon festival marked the consecration to God of each new month in the year. New Moon festivals were required under the Mosaic law.
The New Moon in the bible from what I understand deals with the Hebrew term for "month," chodesh, means "new [moon]," referring to the new moon that began the month.
Gen 1:14 (NIV) And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
(Num 28:11 NASB) 'Then at the beginning of each of your months you shall present a burnt offering to the LORD; two bulls and one ram, seven male lambs one year old without defect,
verse 14 (NIV) With each bull there is to be a drink offering of half a hin of wine; with the ram, a third of a hin ; and with each lamb, a quarter of a hin. This is the monthly burnt offering to be made at each new moon during the year.
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Exactly and these instruments look at where the moon is in the sky; which astrological sign it's in etc. Remember the moon controls the air and sea.
Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
That's what they are Leigh...instruments, to be used by man to know seasons for harvest, time, etc. Not idols, to be worshiped. When man depends more on or have more faith in, the planets than in God, it becomes worship. God is a jealous God...observing the new moon, as he commanded is not the same as worshiping them. The sky is God's calendar.
See this is what I thought. Admiring a beautiful rose is not the same as worshiping it. Following the laws of nature isnt the same as following a horoscope or practicing witchcraft. This is why I need clarity on the word as the ancient Greek could be translated into one word the way the word love was done; the original text used 3 different words yet we use one.
I have to wonder if the star gazers were astronomers, however, I'm thinking they were the ones creating horoscopes.
Renewed1
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Leigh I always wondered the same thing. Because with the verbiage of "Mars in alignment with Pluto" (I'm making stuff up; but you get the idea). The only people who would KNOW that planets lined up would be astronomers.
Totally irrelevant...and I still don't follow astrology.....but when it comes to the description of personalities in relation to birthdates....they be right (for the most part).
Rainbow Dash
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For you have trusted in your wickedness… Therefore evil shall come upon you… trouble shall fall upon you… Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, And the monthly prognosticators stand up and save you from what shall come upon you. Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame… Isaiah 47:10-14
@Leigh
God dealt with the people because they trusted in astrology and stargazers. God is the creator and He wants His creation to trust Him. The people were being led astray with this as many are today. It causes people to be secure in their own abilities and secure in their own pleasures, outside of God. Many people do this today and God is not pleased with it. If you go back and read Isaiah 47 and other scriptures on this subject, you will see what God was saying concerning astrology.
There is nothing wrong with knowing times and seasons, as Laela stated the sky is like a calendar. It does not determine who we are and our purpose in life that should come from God.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, Gen 1:14
@Leigh
God dealt with the people because they trusted in astrology and stargazers. God is the creator and He wants His creation to trust Him. The people were being led astray with this as many are today. It causes people to be secure in their own abilities and secure in their own pleasures, outside of God. Many people do this today and God is not pleased with it. If you go back and read Isaiah 47 and other scriptures on this subject, you will see what God was saying concerning astrology.
There is nothing wrong with knowing times and seasons, as Laela stated the sky is like a calendar. It does not determine who we are and our purpose in life that should come from God.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, Gen 1:14
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gn1g
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astrology is one of the worst spirits that transferred to me thru LHCF.
One of my all time favorite scriptures is Jerm 33:3 (had it on my license plates for years, "CALL UNTO ME and I will show you great and might things know unto to any man". I can hear GOD and can give 100's of testimonies in which GOD has lead me by his voice, revealed things to me and gave me solutions to problems. I don't know how I got caught up in that frackle-nackle. THank goodness for his GRACE and tender mercies.
One of my all time favorite scriptures is Jerm 33:3 (had it on my license plates for years, "CALL UNTO ME and I will show you great and might things know unto to any man". I can hear GOD and can give 100's of testimonies in which GOD has lead me by his voice, revealed things to me and gave me solutions to problems. I don't know how I got caught up in that frackle-nackle. THank goodness for his GRACE and tender mercies.
moonglowdiva
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Astrology is witchcraft. Astrology uses the constellations to predict the future, to determine personality traits etc. It is akin to divination. Horoscopes are a spin off of you will of Astrology. Astronomy is a science. When engaged in Astrology you open yourself up to demonic forces. You give the devil legal rights to possess. It is true that devils cannot possess true born again believer but with sin in our lives they will sure oppress you.
This is where I'm having an issue because it is the same thing. That is why I'm trying to find out the Greek or Hebrew words that were used. Just as love has 3 different words for our 1 word. If in fact there is only one word used, it would mean farmers can no longer follow the seasons and people can no longer follow the weather. Actually, there's some leeway with farmers but there are none with weather forecasters. It's a complicated science that relies heavily on astrology.
This is exactly what weather forecasters do. They use the constellations to predict future weather.
loolalooh
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Please share one or many of your testimonies. Please also elaborate on the text in red. Thanks.
Sorry ladies, I don't mean to take the emphasis off of horoscopes but I'm interested in knowing about the weather and farming aspect. When I was growing my hair out I used the planting and pruning seasons as guides of when to trim my hair (farmer's almanac). When I wanted to just see a date without doing much looking, I followed the morocco lunar chart.
I also used the almanac for pruning rose bushes etc. I need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt if it's ok to know when a tornado is supposed to hit and if it's ok to plant this week using these tools. You see I know for a fact they use the constellations to determine these dates and weather patterns and would hate to be doing something wrong.
Granted there is enough scripture about in season and out of season as well as harvest time to believe it's ok (this is why i believe there must be more than one term) but I'm not sure concerning the weather. I know I'm being very technical but I'm very analytical.
I also used the almanac for pruning rose bushes etc. I need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt if it's ok to know when a tornado is supposed to hit and if it's ok to plant this week using these tools. You see I know for a fact they use the constellations to determine these dates and weather patterns and would hate to be doing something wrong.
Granted there is enough scripture about in season and out of season as well as harvest time to believe it's ok (this is why i believe there must be more than one term) but I'm not sure concerning the weather. I know I'm being very technical but I'm very analytical.
Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
Ah, Leah... I dare say many of us here are familiar with the Farmer's Almanac and ITA weather forecasters can use this tool based on astronomical data; but it's also an annual hodgepodge which promotes Astrology in its Zodiac Zone and mixes facts with mythology. Devil had me for a long time believing that because I was born at a certain time, I was predisposed to act a certain way. Believing one's horoscope -- I mean BELIEVING IT -- negates the concept that one cannot be changed through the power of the Holy Spirit. Instead astrology teaches that we are "ruled" by the influences of some sign our entire lives. That's a lie.
Taken from farmersalmanac.com
Zodiac Signs, Astrology and Astronomy Explained
Astrology interprets the influence that the Sun and Moon have while they are in a specific zodiacal sign. Astrology is based on the concept that there are 12 signs of the zodiac, measuring 30 degrees each, along the astrological circle.
However, because the astrological placement does not take into account the precession of the equinoxes (the “wobble” that the Earth’s axis describes over a 26,000-year interval), the Moon’s place according to astrology differs considerably from its physical place according to astronomy.
View upcoming dates for the Moon’s Astrological place in the zodiac »
Astronomy is the scientific interpretation of matter in space. The Moon can wander into a few astronomical constellations that are not members of the zodiac. These constellations include: Sextans, (SXT); and Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer (OPH)
Taken from farmersalmanac.com
Zodiac Signs, Astrology and Astronomy Explained
Astrology interprets the influence that the Sun and Moon have while they are in a specific zodiacal sign. Astrology is based on the concept that there are 12 signs of the zodiac, measuring 30 degrees each, along the astrological circle.
However, because the astrological placement does not take into account the precession of the equinoxes (the “wobble” that the Earth’s axis describes over a 26,000-year interval), the Moon’s place according to astrology differs considerably from its physical place according to astronomy.
View upcoming dates for the Moon’s Astrological place in the zodiac »
Astronomy is the scientific interpretation of matter in space. The Moon can wander into a few astronomical constellations that are not members of the zodiac. These constellations include: Sextans, (SXT); and Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer (OPH)
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It's the same thing. Using it to care for plants (weeding, pruning, planting) is no different than using it to trim hair as you go by the exact same dates. It's the same timing technique. So it's not about where it's used, the question is whether to use it or not. Because if it's not to be used for one it must not be used for the other.
Ah, Leah... I dare say many of us here are familiar with the Farmer's Almanac and ITA weather forecasters can use this tool based on astronomical data; but it's also an annual hodgepodge which promotes Astrology in its Zodiac Zone and mixes facts with mythology. Devil had me for a long time believing that because I was born at a certain time, I was predisposed to act a certain way. Believing one's horoscope -- I mean BELIEVING IT -- negates the concept that one cannot be changed through the power of the Holy Spirit. Instead astrology teaches that we are "ruled" by the influences of some sign our entire lives. That's a lie.
Taken from farmersalmanac.com
Zodiac Signs, Astrology and Astronomy Explained
Astrology interprets the influence that the Sun and Moon have while they are in a specific zodiacal sign. Astrology is based on the concept that there are 12 signs of the zodiac, measuring 30 degrees each, along the astrological circle.
However, because the astrological placement does not take into account the precession of the equinoxes (the “wobble” that the Earth’s axis describes over a 26,000-year interval), the Moon’s place according to astrology differs considerably from its physical place according to astronomy.
View upcoming dates for the Moon’s Astrological place in the zodiac »
Astronomy is the scientific interpretation of matter in space. The Moon can wander into a few astronomical constellations that are not members of the zodiac. These constellations include: Sextans, (SXT); and Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer (OPH)
I only looked at the farming dates. It's so congested I never got into reading the entire almanac. Too visually messy.
The moon controls a lot regarding the earth and acts different ways while in different locations (astrological signs). This is more than likely where this "you behave this way if born on this date" occurs. We are made up of water and the moon controls air and water.
Though our bodies work synergistically with the earth we have free will. And let's face it if you know you are sensitive to sugar, stay away from it; meaning we can control physiological things to a degree as well. So our minds and bodies are under our control (to a large degree) when we have faith and exercise discipline.
Sharpened
A fleck on His Sword
We are not plants. Our entire persons are no longer ours, but His to do with as He pleases. He may say it is OK; I do not know. Just ask.
Ladybug33
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Yes, please share.
I know we aren't plants. Thats a bit rude and short sighted. And it's not the point. I'll use this example to explain the point. If a person steals a bag of chips they are just as wrong as if they stole a million dollars. The principle is stealing. God doesn't put a gradient on it; he says not to do it.
For God, sin is sin. We either are obedient or we are not. Because of this, I refuse to pick and choose and guess. I am going to find the truth so I can follow it.
Sharpened
A fleck on His Sword
I never mentioned anything about sin or about it being wrong; only to ask Him what to do concerning the body. Trust Him, not any of us, others' writings or yourself for the answer.
Plants are dictated by the environment around them; we are dictated to by the Holy Spirit. I simply said we are not plants, but parts of His Body and you called me short-sighted and rude for speaking plainly. How am I in the wrong?
I took your comment as being rude, of course I know the difference between a human being and a plant. If not, I don't know what to say except I wonder why I got all those A's in biology and other science classes. Anyway I apologize if I was wrong. But it wasn't plainly spoken. Short sighted meaning that the issue isn't whether we are plants. The issue is whether to use a certain science. Doesn't matter what we use it on. We water plants to keep them hydrated and we, a total different entity, like plants die if we are deprived of hydration. Because of this we, like plants, drink water.
Let me explain it this way. God says not to practice witchcraft. I read nothing saying its ok to practice it on plants or your surroundings just as long as you don't apply it to a person. It's not about how it's practiced. It's solely about practicing. We are not to do it.
What do you mean by dictated? (said in an inquisitive way)
We are to follow the Word and the Holy Spirit was placed here as our comforter. Jesus said he wouldn't leave us alone.
I used sin as an example. You never said anything about it. There's some miscommunication going on here. The example was intended to show the perspective from which I'm viewing my questions.
I'm not trusting anyone. I ask questions to gain knowledge and direction for my own research. You are misunderstanding me at all angles.
Maybe I'm reading your comment incorrectly and I apologize if I am but to tell me to trust God and not any of you all is waaayyyy off base. And it negates the comment I made about finding out the truth. You know seek and ye shall find. It stands to reason if i were trusting myself or anyone other than God, I would not have made certain comments. So you're telling me something I'm already doing, which can be taken as I'm not doing it so you need to tell me to trust in God instead of myself and others. When in fact, I lean not unto my own understanding but trust in God. I keep saying this and will say it again. I'm going to do what the Word says to do.
I said I was going to find out the truth and follow it. I don't have the answers but I have an idea. I'm in the process of proving those ideas, which I think are correct, right or wrong. To clarify, I'm not trying to prove them right. I'm objectively, with no attachment to them at all, trying to find out if they are wrong or if they are right.
I hope you understand what I'm saying. If not, let me know.
Btw, those last scriptures you gave support my asking the question.
Oh yeah I am. I'm being patient. Thanks.
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