moonglowdiva
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Do you feel that it is ok for christian to follow their zodiac sign and use astrology. Please explain. I'm just curious.
Astrology and Christianity?!?
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Hey Little One...
Astrology is witchcraft, it is not what God approves of.
It is another method of satan to deceive people 'away' from seeking God. It may be presented as 'okay', or fun, and folks will argue to the ground that God uses astrology to guide them. Again, it is a deception from satan.
God has called us to seek 'Him', and to have no other gods before Him (other than Him).
Isaiah 14:12
In Lucifer’s fallen state he was still known as a light bringer, daystar and a son of the morning.
These are all counterfeits to the real thing. We are the genuine and when we become an early riser to command the morning and capture the day, we displace the devil.
When people tell fortunes or have their astrological sign 'charted' (psychics and witches do this), they are in direct disobedience to God's Word. They are seeking another god which they have created out of astrology.
Isaiah 47:13-14 (NIV translation):
All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up.
They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by.
Deuteronomy 4:19 (NIV):
And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
There are a number of scriptures about astrology and about witchcraft...
The message from God is to have no part in it.
The 'World' looks to the 'stars' for their prosperity and success in life...yet:
Job 36:11
When we obey and serve God our days will be prosperous...
NOW... the Heavens DO tell the story of God's creation...
Hold on to this scripture...
[B]Psalm 19: 1-4[/B]
The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
Their line has gone out through the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.
God is the one who created the Heavens and the Earth; all of the Heavenly bodies (stars) we see above.
Genesis 1:14
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,
God placed the stars in a formation which do tell a story... 'the story' leading to Jesus.
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Rainbow Dash
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Agree with the above posts, it is witchcraft. Below are some scriptures that tell us what God has to say concerning witchcraft.
All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you—these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you (Isaiah 47:13-15).
Do not practice divination or sorcery (Leviticus 19:26).
The idols speak deceit, diviners see visions that lie; they tell dreams that are false, they give comfort in vain. Therefore the people wander like sheep oppressed for lack of a shepherd (Zechariah 10:2).
"So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty (Malachi 3:5).
The Israelites often made the same mistake and turned from God, although God clearly warned them about this.
When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so (Deuteronomy 18:9-14).
Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God (Leviticus 19:31).
I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people (Leviticus 20:6).
When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? (Isaiah 8:19).
Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas. In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power (Acts 19:18-20).
Galatains 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you—these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you (Isaiah 47:13-15).
Do not practice divination or sorcery (Leviticus 19:26).
The idols speak deceit, diviners see visions that lie; they tell dreams that are false, they give comfort in vain. Therefore the people wander like sheep oppressed for lack of a shepherd (Zechariah 10:2).
"So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty (Malachi 3:5).
The Israelites often made the same mistake and turned from God, although God clearly warned them about this.
When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so (Deuteronomy 18:9-14).
Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God (Leviticus 19:31).
I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people (Leviticus 20:6).
When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? (Isaiah 8:19).
Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas. In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power (Acts 19:18-20).
Galatains 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Nice & Wavy
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DITTO to all the above!!!
BeautifulFlower
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Either the "stars" (and typically its some disgruntled writer forced to give 'optimistic' life 'guidance') dictate your life...
or God does....The choice is simple to me.
or God does....The choice is simple to me.
Sharpened
A fleck on His Sword
This was the start of our time frame.
The sun, moon, and stars are our clock, but, as usual, man went beyond what He intended and twisted astrology into the focus on self we see today. To differentiate the two, we call the self-study astrology and the pure study of heavenly bodies astronomy. The Lord, through His mouthpiece, Moses, taught the Israelites to use astronomy to know when to observe certain Sabbaths. Is this still relevant today?
The 12th chapter of Revelation tells a story that has confounded people for centuries. The literal interpretation involves God’s clock for the present day:
In heaven = in the sky
Woman = the constellation Virgo (Bethulah in Hebrew)
Clothed in the sun = Virgo is lit up by the sun upon sunrise (mid-August until early October), centralized during Rosh Shoshanna
Moon under her feet is self-explanatory
Crown of 12 stars = the stars’ named Beta, Beta2, Chi, Delta, Iota, Nu, Omicron, Pi, Sigma, Star 60, Star 93, Theta
With child = Venus in the belly of Virgo. Also known as the morning star because it can still be viewed during sunrise as the others fade, this is one of Jesus’ titles:
NOT the adversary’s, contrary to popular belief (Isaiah 14:12-15); that was God mocking the cherub’s desire to be worshiped.
The constellation Draco, the Great Serpent, was at one time ruler of the night, being formerly at the very centre of the heavens and so large that it was called the Great Dragon. Its body spread over seven signs of the Zodiac, which were called its seven heads. So great a space did it occupy, that, in mystic language, it "drew a third part of the stars from heaven and cast them to the earth." source
The brightest star in the constellation is gamma Draconis or Eltanin ("the serpent"), an orange giant 148 light-years distant. It lies close to the point directly over London and is sometimes called the "zenith star." source
Thuban (the basilisk), in its tail, was formerly the pole-star, or "judge of the earth!" It approached much nearer the true pole than Cynosura, the present pole-star, which is one and a half degrees distant and will never approach nearer than twelve minutes, while Thuban was only ten minutes distant. source
There is another theory that the dragon could be a large comet or asteroid passing close enough to cause the earth damage, based on ancient peoples’ interpretation of what these objects looked like.
Self-explanatory and the “birth” would coincide with Yom Kippur. Wild, ain’t it?
Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
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There indeed a diff between astronomy and astrology... God says we shall have no other gods before Him. Astrology is beyond studying the heavenly bodies, it's the personal worship of heavenly bodies... consulting with the 'gods' in the sky as it relates to our destiny, personality, etc. Astronomy is a natural science, the study of heavenly bodies and the universe. Two different things. God made the heaven and the earth. The moon, stars and the sun and they were all created for a purpose, not to be worshiped. If I'm looking to the stars for guidance to determine my destiny, provide answers, guide my life, etc. I'm indeed worshiping a false god. The planets themselves aren't gods, but we can make them gods.
There indeed a diff between astronomy and astrology... God says we shall have no other gods before Him. Astrology is beyond studying the heavenly bodies, it's the personal worship of heavenly bodies... consulting with the 'gods' in the sky as it relates to our destiny, personality, etc. Astronomy is a natural science, the study of heavenly bodies and the universe. Two different things. God made the heaven and the earth. The moon, stars and the sun and they were all created for a purpose, not to be worshiped. If I'm looking to the stars for guidance to determine my destiny, provide answers, guide my life, etc. I'm indeed worshiping a false god. The planets themselves aren't gods, but we can make them gods.
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anartist4u2001
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such good information you guys posted. AMEN!
moonglowdiva
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I know exactly what astrology and astronomy are. But christians still engage in all. I'm not ignorant to the viles of the devil. I could go on and on about what I know about witchcraft. Astronomy is not witchcraft it is a science. I do not dabble in anything that is contrary to the scriptures. I have in the past but all of that is cover by the blood. But the things other people post makes me wonder. Every scripture that you all have quoted to make a point I am aware. I'm not a new christian. I've seen something and I know that you better not dabble in witchcraft not even a little bit. I know this from experience. I did this because there are other people that are not aware the reading horoscopes is a form of idolatry. It clearly breaks the 1st commandment. GOD is a jealous GOD. It happens to be one that can be easily recognized some of the others are not so. As sure as you breathe air someone will post a question is it ok to do this or that and just refuse to look it up for themselves. We often will come to these hair board first instead of to HIS Word 1st. I've been off these hair boards for about a year and my reasoning then was because of all of the spirits that lurk around here. It transfers. Beware of the power of influence it is strong and that is a form of witchcraft too. witchcraft is idolatry.
BTW: There are some very gifted exhortationist on here. Keep up the good work!!!! I do not exhort. I'd rather expose sin not the sinner but the sin. That's all I'm doing. I do not want people to be ignorant. It is little thing that could mean the difference between heaven and hell.
BTW: There are some very gifted exhortationist on here. Keep up the good work!!!! I do not exhort. I'd rather expose sin not the sinner but the sin. That's all I'm doing. I do not want people to be ignorant. It is little thing that could mean the difference between heaven and hell.
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moonglowdiva
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Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
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Sharpened
A fleck on His Sword
When I read the first post, I said to myself, "Why is she asking a question she already knows the answer to?" I decided to go another direction from everyone else who posted for those who may see astronomy in the same light (humans ruled by emotions tend to go from one extreme to another) because it might help someone else.
Why not just ask DIRECTLY for scriptures to help baby believers on a topic? Lord God, my Father, I hate passive-aggressiveness; forgive me. *sigh*
Guitarhero
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I don't agree with all the dates because I believe Jesus was conceived during Pesach in Nissin, but this is very catholic, in fact. Nature and all contained in it, imho, is the prefigurement of the Christ. And Our Lady represents much more than herself and her position, it all is rooted in the Christ and the co-redemption. I don't want flack for that, though LOL! But I agree. In fact, all religion, pre and post Judaism/Judeo-christianity...point to the Christ in various aspects.
Sharpened
A fleck on His Sword
The "man-child" in Revelation is a group of believers Jesus has singled for special roles during the end-times, like Jesus and Moses were for theirs. The "woman" is the current belief system, giving birth to the new one under the leadership of the "man-child" group.
Guitarhero
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Thank you, Love of God...thank you very much. Your 'Light and Wisdom' glows softer and brighter than any light that flows from the sky.
Precious Moonglow, through you, many do / will see, there is more beyond 'wishin' pon' a star. They will know that they are never so far, that God's ear cannot 'hear' them, nor are His arms too short that He cannot reach them, nor is His heart, not large enough behold them, eternally.
Full moon, full glow... your love for God shows and will always show; His Word fully alive is in your heart, He's your love, true love from whom you will never depart.
Moonglow...Divine
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makeupgirl
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I used to be heavily in the new age stuff before coming to Christ. Reading horoscopes, tarot cards, etc. After coming to Christ is when I learned that this stuff is against God. I would say that some of my personality traits parallel being a Taurus but I no longer let astrology be the god of my life. Nope I belong to Jesus now.
blazingthru
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I was a teenager in the 70's and everyone was into "Zodiac Signs and we all had to have everything in our sign. I was really into it but not reading the stars or any of that stuff. but Signs and symbols were big back then and Earth, Wind and Fire was hot and they were, it seemed to me, heavy into it so you know you had to be into it to fit in and I am a ministers daughter so it was all up in church as well and one day someone said it was a sin to know the future so I stopped reading the horoscopes I guess back in 1984. It wasn't until a year or so ago I learned that the bible speaks directly about those things. an insert I found on the subject.
Now, I want you to see how God looks upon this stargazing nonsense. It doesn't matter what percent of the people are following the practice, or how many millions are spent each year on wizards and fortune tellers, the great question is, what does God think about it? Is it approved or disapproved in the Bible? Let's read a few texts. First of all, from Deuteronomy 4:19, "And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldn't be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven." God says I have driven out the Canaanites and now when you come into the Promised land don't you start looking up to the stars and worshipping them or inquiring of them. That is prohibited.
Deuteronomy 17:2,3, "If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing the covenant, and hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel, then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which hath committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die."
In the time of Josiah, when he started out to make a great reform and bring God's people back to the true worship of God, this thing was crushed one of the first things. "And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained, to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven." 2 Kings 23:5. When that godly man, Josiah, started his reform there was one thing that he certainly struck at and that was worshipping the stars. He put them all out of business. Why? Because he was trying to lead them back to the Bible and to God.
In Acts 19:19 it says, "Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver." All of those old books that they had been using to work works of divination, they brought them altogether and Paul struck a match to them and there burned them, that fifty thousand pieces of silver worth, and man stopped looking to man-made tricks to lead them, and looked to God.
You read every once in awhile about a prediction that this earth is going to rush off in space and head right into one of the other planets or stars and when it crashes it will burn up. But notice, Genesis 8:22, "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." This earth of ours is going to continue rotating on its axis, summer and winter will come and day and night will continue, and we won't keep rotating nearer and nearer another planet, until our seasons are all changed around and finally we'll bump and it will all be over. Oh, Satan would like to have us believe that God is not guiding things, but His hand is still over this universe and always will be.
Now, I want you to see how God looks upon this stargazing nonsense. It doesn't matter what percent of the people are following the practice, or how many millions are spent each year on wizards and fortune tellers, the great question is, what does God think about it? Is it approved or disapproved in the Bible? Let's read a few texts. First of all, from Deuteronomy 4:19, "And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldn't be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven." God says I have driven out the Canaanites and now when you come into the Promised land don't you start looking up to the stars and worshipping them or inquiring of them. That is prohibited.
Deuteronomy 17:2,3, "If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing the covenant, and hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel, then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which hath committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die."
In the time of Josiah, when he started out to make a great reform and bring God's people back to the true worship of God, this thing was crushed one of the first things. "And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained, to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven." 2 Kings 23:5. When that godly man, Josiah, started his reform there was one thing that he certainly struck at and that was worshipping the stars. He put them all out of business. Why? Because he was trying to lead them back to the Bible and to God.
In Acts 19:19 it says, "Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver." All of those old books that they had been using to work works of divination, they brought them altogether and Paul struck a match to them and there burned them, that fifty thousand pieces of silver worth, and man stopped looking to man-made tricks to lead them, and looked to God.
You read every once in awhile about a prediction that this earth is going to rush off in space and head right into one of the other planets or stars and when it crashes it will burn up. But notice, Genesis 8:22, "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." This earth of ours is going to continue rotating on its axis, summer and winter will come and day and night will continue, and we won't keep rotating nearer and nearer another planet, until our seasons are all changed around and finally we'll bump and it will all be over. Oh, Satan would like to have us believe that God is not guiding things, but His hand is still over this universe and always will be.
The Word of God tells us that the story is in the Heavens and this is it (what you have shared above) and beyond.
Nymphe, Excellent post...
BTW: My name in real life (not Shimmie) means "Morning Star'
Galadriel
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That's an interesting interpretation. Do you also believe in the rapture? Millennialism? Dispensationalism?
Sharpened
A fleck on His Sword
I see a post-tribulation/pre-Wrath (Day of the LORD) Rapture being indicated throughout Scripture. The tribulation and His final Wrath are two separate time periods. Jesus gave us the order of events in Matthew 24 and Mark 13; His words take precedent over anyone else's, period. To shorten a long story: the last days before He returns in full glory will be like Exodus through Joshua (trials, spiritual war, and refinement of His Bride) and the Book of Acts combined, taking place all over the world.
Noah and his family went through a tribulation; Moses and the Israelites went through decades of tribulation; Esther and Mordecai helped their people through a tribulation; the early church went through centuries of tribulation. Those who refuse to be purified will fall away, like the Israelites in Exodus would refused to fully trust the Lord. The only two conceived of natural means who were "raptured" away, Enoch and Elijah, were completely dead to self and into in His rest (His will) above all others until Jesus gave the example for future saints at His death and Resurrection. There is nothing saying God will change this pattern for the last day saints.
I have no interest in millennialism, though I look forward to the reward I will receive from Him. Dispensationalism turns Scripture into a game of Twister instead of the spiritually deep jigsaw puzzle He meant for those seeking His Truth above all else. I try to stay away from "-ism" overall...too much clutter.
What is the REAL difference ?
Deut. 18: 9 “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, be very careful not to imitate the detestable customs of the nations living there. 10 For example, never sacrifice your son or daughter as a burnt offering. And do not let your people practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, 11 or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. It is because the other nations have done these detestable things that the Lord your God will drive them out ahead of you. 13 But you must be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 The nations you are about to displace consult sorcerers and fortune-tellers, but the Lord your God forbids you to do such things.”
In French (V. LS), the word uses for sorcerers is astrologues (astrologers)
Nina....they are one and the same. Horoscopes are the "readings" based upon astrology.
Loved one... astrology is not what a child of God follows. A child of God follows God and none other. The stars hold no future nor your salvation.
Jesus said, "Follow Me". Yes?
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MissNina
Libra Girl
Hi Shimmie,
Astrology I'm into. Horoscopes I am not.
The diff is the latter is a more specific part of the first. I don't pay acknowledge that part. I dont believe anyone can tell me what my day is going to be like or what issues I will be having tomorrow (including "prophets" of the church as well). Astrological signs are interesting to study.
Have a beautiful day
Hi Shimmie,
Astrology I'm into. Horoscopes I am not.
The diff is the latter is a more specific part of the first. I don't pay acknowledge that part. I dont believe anyone can tell me what my day is going to be like or what issues I will be having tomorrow (including "prophets" of the church as well). Astrological signs are interesting to study.
Have a beautiful day
Nina I also wish you and your loved ones a beautiful and very safe day and all days following. Please be safe in these weather systems moving throughout the country.
I'm not sure where you are located or if you have loved ones in the areas affected by the weather and recent east coast earthquakes. However, my prayers are with you and everyone here on the forum.
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