Any liberal Christians here?

[Mena]

Cliff Notes Version: I want to be more spiritual. I need to go a liberal and tolerant Christian Church. Any advice?


Long Version:

So, I am contemplating tip toeing into being more spiritual. I think it will be good for my spirit to heal from all the stuff that has happened to me in the last 10 years. And help me have a stronger belief in myself and all the things life throws at me.

I find that if something doesn't go as planned. I easily get frazzled and quit. I didn't use to be like this.

Also, I know what I want to accomplish with my career but sometimes I just have a hard time getting motivated. Can I really make a difference? Do I care to make a difference? Am I really helping anyone? Then, i change my career goals to something else because I am not sure if I can do it.

Then, I have these moments where I wonder why I am really here? What is my purpose? I used to have an unshakeable sense of purpose when I was younger. I wanted to be a doctor but I let people get to me and destroy my spirit.

Looking back I was young now and shouldnt have let things gotten so bad. Anyways, I am ready to fix myself now.

So, I am not from the South. I consider myself very politically and socially liberal. Born and raised on the west coast. So, I need a brand of Christianity that is tolerant to other religions and cultures.

I was raised Southern Baptist but it just doesn't sit well with me now. I see how it can work for someone like my mother thats from the South and has strong ties to her roots. However, I am not her. I grew up in a very multicultural place and I value and respect all religions.

I never got a sense of tolerance from the Southern Baptist Church.

Anyways, sorry this is long. Anyone have any advice for me and what direction I should take with my spirituality?

Thanks!

 

[MrsHaseeb]

For the sake of clarification, what do you mean by liberal and tolerant?

 

[Mena]

For the sake of clarification, what do you mean by liberal and tolerant?

Tolerant of other denominations of Christianity and Other Religions as Well.
I remember hearing a sermon when I used to church more regularly talking about people who were other religions and not Christians were going to straight to hell. Lol. Ever sense then I have slowly lost my faith. I am friends with good people from a variety of backgrounds. So, any brand of Christianity that doesn't really support multifaiths. I am not interested in. Hopefully that makes sense.

 

[JaneBond007]

I don't think your problem was intolerance regarding your career/personality from christians, it was low self-esteem. Developing a personal relationship with Jesus can definitely help you see the love He has for you, over time. But the central point of christianity/church is in developing that relationship with G-d first. In knowing Him, we begin to understand what it is He wants us to do in this life towards His Kingdom. He is central, not self.

With that said, start attending churches. You might wish to read up on specific ones online, about their doctrine, services etc. before attending. And I just read your last response. Heaven is made possible through Jesus. As a catholic, we know that G-d is just and that those, who through no fault (rejection in full knowledge) of their own, live the truth, according to their training, to their best, can inherit heaven. In other words, we don't believe people are condemned to hell because they never heard of Jesus. G-d individually judges the heart.

If I were you, I'd look online at the various denominations first, read their doctrine, then find individual church websites to look at and get a feel for, then attend services. I wish you well in your journey.

 

[Mena]

I don't think your problem was intolerance regarding your career/personality from christians, it was low self-esteem. Developing a personal relationship with Jesus can definitely help you see the love He has for you, over time. But the central point of christianity/church is in developing that relationship with G-d first. In knowing Him, we begin to understand what it is He wants us to do in this life towards His Kingdom. He is central, not self.

With that said, start attending churches. You might wish to read up on specific ones online, about their doctrine, services etc. before attending. As for tolerance, could you be more specific on that?

I know that. But if a pastor is preaching what I view as intolerance to other religions. Whatever else they say will be dead to me and I will have a hard time developing a relationship with God at that church.

 

[JaneBond007]

....I wish you well in your journey.

 

[MrsHaseeb]

Tolerant of other denominations of Christianity and Other Religions as Well.
I remember hearing a sermon when I used to church more regularly talking about people who were other religions and not Christians were going to straight to hell. Lol. Ever sense then I have slowly lost my faith. I am friends with good people from a variety of backgrounds. So, any brand of Christianity that doesn't really support multifaiths. I am not interested in. Hopefully that makes sense.

Unfortunately, what you want is not real Christianity... Jesus Christ is the only way to God the Father. According to the Bible the true Gospel will be preached through all the world before the ends so no one will have an excuse to not accept Jesus Christ. As far as tolerance with other religions, no real Christian who believes the Bible will fit that category.

I will pray for you.

 

[Shimmie]

Hi Mena...

I 'get' what you are saying. I get it.

Yet...

The most important thing in this life for you and all of us who are Christians is to follow Jesus and not man.

Jesus loved everyone, no matter who they were, yet He remained faithful to God the Father whom He loved first.

There were still behaviours and patterns of life that people were and are living that He could not and still cannot accept. And He's not changing, just to be tolerant. No matter how much we love someone, we can't sweep the sins of man under the rug. We just can't, Dear One. We can't.

I have several Muslim, Jewish, and gay friends. They KNOW beyond anything in this world that I love them... genuinely love them.

What I've learned is to 'be still' when we're together, to just be still, enjoy our fellowship that we are sharing and allow God to 'use me' to speak from His heart to theirs. I never pre-plan or rehearse what to say or do, I just simply allow God to be who He is and use me as He sees accordingly.

Mena... I understand 'you'. I don't see you as one who is seeking to rebel against God. If anything more, I can see God using you as a Bridge to bring people to Him and not because of 'tolerance', but because you have chosen to yield to God's Will and Plan for the lives of others who do not 'yet' know Him.

Remove the 'word' tolerance from your heart. Remove it. Instead allow 'obedience' unto the Lord, to be there instead. 'Tolerance' means, I want people to like me. Yet we are turning our hearts away from God.

You can do it. When you love the Lord, you want to please Him in all of your ways. Humans change like the weather which is very unpredictable. No matter who they are, what they do, whom / what they serve, Humans are not solid, due to the flesh and to unpredictable emotions.

We cannot afford to place our loyalties upon 'tolerance', ignoring what one does, only God deserves our loyalties. Only God. Once we have established our hearts to be loyal unto Him and Him first and only, we will have the peace of pleasing God and obeying Him.

Remember when God told King Solomon 'not' to marry into a particular group of those who did not believe in Him and chose not God's ways? He ignored God and 'tolerated' the other's sins and began to serve their gods.

As Christians Jesus has called us to 'lead' others to Him, not away from Him and as Christians, we must follow His ways and not the ways of sin and eternal death.

Why be a Christian if we don't intend to obey Him and follow His ways? I promise you that this is not a harsh question; no shade or snark is in it. I promise you.

It's obvious that you do not wish to see your loved ones of other lifestyles/faiths to lose their lives in eternity with Jesus. Which is why we cannot embrace the word 'tolerance'. It's a dangerous death sentence. It's been overplayed / overused by those who wish to have a lifestyle that they want excepted as normal, yet it is not. Again, no shade or snark or disrespect is being spoken.

If nothing more, for you ... I can see God using you to use a different 'approach' to those outside of Christianity, and while being honest and forthright about righteousness, for the Truth of the Gospel cannot be hidden, for it is Light to those in darkness.

God has tolerated all of the 'sin' He cares to and to end it, He sent Jesus to the Cross to pay the penalty for our sins. He has set the standard and those are His guidelines and rules. We must adhere to and to obey, for eternal life.

Mena... this world is only getting more out of control. The moral fiber and the level of sin 'tolerance' is without excuse. God is not accepting 'tolerance' as our passport into Heaven. It's His Heaven, His Rules, His Command unto all of us. God is accepting obedience... The gavel is down. The Blood of Jesus has spoken.

Much love to you Sweetheart...

And again... 'No shade' here.

Shimmie

 

[Leigh]

Tolerant of other denominations of Christianity and Other Religions as Well.
I remember hearing a sermon when I used to church more regularly talking about people who were other religions and not Christians were going to straight to hell. Lol. Ever sense then I have slowly lost my faith. I am friends with good people from a variety of backgrounds. So, any brand of Christianity that doesn't really support multifaiths. I am not interested in. Hopefully that makes sense.

True Christianity does not support multifaiths. That concept goes against Christianity.

True Christians do not judge those who are without the body. We are told not too. So if a non Christian is doing drugs, it's not our business. If a fellow Christian is doing so, we are called to help. This is righteous discernment/judgement.

So in that sense we tolerate other faiths but not support. In other words, we don't encourage other faiths. But we don't bash them either.

1 Cor 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth.

 

[Mena]

True Christianity does not support multifaiths. That concept goes against Christianity.

True Christians do not judge those who are without the body. We are told not too. So if a non Christian is doing drugs, it's not our business. If a fellow Christian is doing so, we are called to help. This is righteous discernment/judgement.

So in that sense we tolerate other faiths but not support. In other words, we don't encourage other faiths. But we don't bash them either.

1 Cor 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth.

This is fine. There are some churches that seem to faith bash though unfortunately. I will just have to go church hopping until I find something.

 

[MrsHaseeb]

This is fine. There are some churches that seem to faith bash though unfortunately. I will just have to go church hopping until I find something.

Mena .... Faith bashing is different from informing people and speaking the truth in love against these things. Jesus Christ and the Apostles frequently said He is the only way. There is nothing wrong with a preacher or teacher today doing the same. In fact, a real man of God is telling people Jesus is the only way... People's souls are at stake so we need to be more concerned with preaching the real Jesus and not the one people have made up. I'd rather someone hurt my feelings and tell me the truth rather than letting me die lost.

 

[Dellas]

I am not sure what you mean by liberal but I have become less judgmental as I grew up. I grew up non denominational and mocked Baptist and Gospel music as being fleshly and not really spiritual.

 

[MrsHaseeb]

I am not sure what you mean by liberal but I have become less judgmental as I grew up. I grew up non denominational and mocked Baptist and Gospel music as being fleshly and not really spiritual.

I read the original comments and I feel you spoke a lot of truth. Either way, I think there is a huge difference between speaking/teaching the truth in love and making a mockery of others. Self righteous mocking is a no no.

 

[Dellas]

I read the original comments and I feel you spoke a lot of truth. Either way, I think there is a huge difference between speaking/teaching the truth in love and making a mockery of others. Self righteous mocking is a no no.

I took it down because sometimes I get too personal and specific and I have to remember I am online and stuff last forever!

 

[Shimmie]

I am not sure what you mean by liberal but I have become less judgmental as I grew up. I grew up non denominational and mocked Baptist and Gospel music as being fleshly and not really spiritual.

Hi Adel10, I'm responding to your post before it was edited:

I was disappointed also by Sandi Patti, Amy Grant and others, who fell.

Yet, the other Worship groups (Integrity, Hossana Singers, and the individuals such as, Brian Duncan, Ron Kenoly, Alvin Slaughter, Chris Tomlin, Michael W. Smith, and many others have remained true to the Faith of Jesus, they did not fall back. They remained faithful and forward.

To this day, they remain faithful and they have not compromised the teachings of God through Jesus, and they are not 'liberal' nor have they backpeddled by becoming PC or 'tolerant' which is actually sin.

By being 'steadfast' in the Lord, they've paved the way for others to follow, who will continue to serve God and not give way to the pressures of this world to go lax in serving God.

Something that each of us..and I do mean each of us. We all have been given 'free will'. God's Word is clear on what's His Will for us is. Very Clear. No matter who disappoints us, no matter what sin another commits, no matter how offended we may become or discouraged... the bottomline is that we still 'choose' our reactions to it.

Therefore, if 'we' choose to disregard what Jesus calls us to do and seek 'another' faith just because someone doesn't represent it, in a way that does not offend us, we are still just as much in sin as they are who comitted the offense. For 'both' the Offender and the Offended, have turned away from the Faith of Jesus Christ to find one of their own which fits their 'feelings'.

God looks down and asks, "What did He do to deserve being 'blown off' just because of what someone else said or did." He's not the one who said or did the offense. The entire issue is not God's doing. When we have a close relationship with God, it doesn't matter who offends us, we still contend for the faith and if nothing more, we choose to grow all the more closer to God than to go off seeking another god.

We may not like the way someone portrays or misrepresents Jesus, however Jesus is not the one who is misrepresenting. He still sits on the same throne with the same God in Heaven who sent Him to us. He is not going to seek out a liberal or tolerant method of being God. He remains the same, yesterday, today and forever.

No matter who offends us, let us not offend God further by blaming it on Him. And we do so by looking outside of him for another god that pleases our flesh and not save our souls.

There is no other God....


Shared in Peace to all who read...

 

[Shimmie]

This is fine. There are some churches that seem to faith bash though unfortunately. I will just have to go church hopping until I find something.

When you mention the word 'bashing', is it really bashing or are they simply telling the Truth?

Growing up, there were tons of things that I didn't like being told that it was 'wrong' to do. It indeed felt like bashing. Yet...my parents were only telling me the truth and in many unfortunate circumstances, I had to learn the hard way... I wanted to be 'liberal'. Yet Liberal was taking me straight to hell and with no ticket back.

The problem today is that sin is being pushed into society so strongly and it is demanding to be accepted as normal, when normal is far from the truth.

Preachers have to get this point across to their congregations. Too many folks are coming to Church with the intent of not 'changing' and feel that they can still do whatever it is that they want to do.

God is trying to rescue them via these Preachers to come out of darkness and into the Light of Jesus' Christ. But folks not only want to play games, but are misleading others to do the same....be liberal, be tolerant... all the way to hell.

If a Preacher is telling the Truth, we cannot be offended. No matter if we like the way he/she says it or not. Iff they are telling the truth we have to accept it and allow God to change our hearts. The Bible does not lie and the Bible does not sugar coat it messages to us.

God's Word is straight forth, no chaser. Koolaide wasn't made in Heaven and it's not being served in Green Pastures. The Bible says that God's Rod (Correction) and His Staff (Guidance) comforts us... meaning He's leading us out of hell with firm correction and guidance, which is indeed a comfort to know we have been saved from an eternal flame.

Run to Jesus. Run into His loving arms and receive His undying love. Be ready to 'learn of Him' and be ready to speak the truth to those who are perishing spiritually. if you love them, you'll tell them the truth; that Jesus is the only way no matter what/who/why... Jesus is the only way and He is not changing to become PC or liberal or tolerant of any sin which separates them from God.

 

[Dellas]

Hi Adel10, I'm responding to your post before it was edited:

I was disappointed also by Sandi Patti, Amy Grant and others, who fell.

Yet, the other Worship groups (Integrity, Hossana Singers, and the individuals such as, Brian Duncan, Ron Kenoly, Alvin Slaughter, Chris Tomlin, Michael W. Smith, and many others have remained true to the Faith of Jesus, they did not fall back. They remained faithful and forward.

To this day, they remain faithful and they have not compromised the teachings of God through Jesus, and they are not 'liberal' nor have they backpeddled by becoming PC or 'tolerant' which is actually sin.

By being 'steadfast' in the Lord, they've paved the way for others to follow, who will continue to serve God and not give way to the pressures of this world to go lax in serving God.

Something that each of us..and I do mean each of us. We all have been given 'free will'. God's Word is clear on what's His Will for us is. Very Clear. No matter who disappoints us, no matter what sin another commits, no matter how offended we may become or discouraged... the bottomline is that we still 'choose' our reactions to it.

Therefore, if 'we' choose to disregard what Jesus calls us to do and seek 'another' faith just because someone doesn't represent it, in a way that does not offend us, we are still just as much in sin as they are who comitted the offense. For 'both' the Offender and the Offended, have turned away from the Faith of Jesus Christ to find one of their own which fits their 'feelings'.

God looks down and asks, "What did He do to deserve being 'blown off' just because of what someone else said or did." He's not the one who said or did the offense. The entire issue is not God's doing. When we have a close relationship with God, it doesn't matter who offends us, we still contend for the faith and if nothing more, we choose to grow all the more closer to God than to go off seeking another god.

We may not like the way someone portrays or misrepresents Jesus, however Jesus is not the one who is misrepresenting. He still sits on the same throne with the same God in Heaven who sent Him to us. He is not going to seek out a liberal or tolerant method of being God. He remains the same, yesterday, today and forever.

No matter who offends us, let us not offend God further by blaming it on Him. And we do so by looking outside of him for another god that pleases our flesh and not save our souls.

There is no other God....

Shared in Peace to all who read...

Hi

I think you might have read too much in that post or I read too much in yours
I am still a Christian but the only thing has changed is that I do not blindly follow people but focus more on having my own relationship with God

Deleted the rest .. Overly wordy and not necessary

Have a good night Shimmie!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

When you mention the word 'bashing', is it really bashing or are they simply telling the Truth?

Growing up, there were tons of things that I didn't like being told that it was 'wrong' to do. It indeed felt like bashing. Yet...my parents were only telling me the truth and in many unfortunate circumstances, I had to learn the hard way... I wanted to be 'liberal'. Yet Liberal was taking me straight to hell and with no ticket back.

The problem today is that sin is being pushed into society so strongly and it is demanding to be accepted as normal, when normal is far from the truth.

Preachers have to get this point across to their congregations. Too many folks are coming to Church with the intent of not 'changing' and feel that they can still do whatever it is that they want to do.

God is trying to rescue them via these Preachers to come out of darkness and into the Light of Jesus' Christ. But folks not only want to play games, but are misleading others to do the same....be liberal, be tolerant... all the way to hell.

If a Preacher is telling the Truth, we cannot be offended. No matter if we like the way he/she says it or not. Iff they are telling the truth we have to accept it and allow God to change our hearts. The Bible does not lie and the Bible does not sugar coat it messages to us.

God's Word is straight forth, no chaser. Koolaide wasn't made in Heaven and it's not being served in Green Pastures. The Bible says that God's Rod (Correction) and His Staff (Guidance) comforts us... meaning He's leading us out of hell with firm correction and guidance, which is indeed a comfort to know we have been saved from an eternal flame.

Run to Jesus. Run into His loving arms and receive His undying love. Be ready to 'learn of Him' and be ready to speak the truth to those who are perishing spiritually. if you love them, you'll tell them the truth; that Jesus is the only way no matter what/who/why... Jesus is the only way and He is not changing to become PC or liberal or tolerant of any sin which separates them from God.

Shimmie I just had to personally Amen this because God saved me from liberalism and "new age" religion. I am so grateful for His Rod and Staff I simply can not make it with out them. I am grateful to be on the journey down the narrow path and through the narrow gate Praise God for His never ending Mercy!

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie I just had to personally Amen this because God saved me from liberalism and "new age" religion. I am so grateful for His Rod and Staff I simply can not make it with out them. I am grateful to be on the journey down the narrow path and through the narrow gate Praise God for His never ending Mercy!

AtlantaJJ ... I'm right there with you. I was a liberal mess and didn't realize just how dangerous it was and still is. I was dangerous because other people were listening to me and following me and my liberal hell bound behind. I was glass sliding on ice, straight to hell.

FACT:


There is no in-between or sugar substitutes for Jesus. None! The Liberals are poison to one's soul; it's a literal/actual death; the ultimate end to Life.

I understand those who don't want to 'hurt' others feelings. God knows I do. I understand the pain of losing a friend or a family member(s) because they were told that the life they are living is deadly. I also know rebellion against God and how satan uses these feelings to hinder the Truth of God's love from being shared with those in darkness.

I remember when my Mom torn my little legs up with a switch because I was running in the street. Well a car was coming and she had already warned me time and again NOT to play in the street. I disobeyed. Did I like it when she scolded me? NO indeed... Did I like it when she spanked me? Ummmm, triple No.

However, when she reprimanded me it was out of love and also the fear of her losing me, her baby girl whom she carried for nine months and gave birth to. She was protecting 'me', her baby. She did not want to lose me and even if it meant using a switch to my legs, she did it to save and to protect me. I'm here as living proof of her love.

I realize it's sounds so harsh to tell someone that they are going to hell and that the life they are living that makes them happy is wrong, but it still has to be told. Some folks are just plain hard-headed. God called them a 'stiff-neck generation'. They were unyielding to turn their hearts towards Him and obey.

There are a lot of preachers that I do not like the delivery of their messages. To be honest, I don't like them all that much. However, they are still telling the Truth, whether I like it or not. Folks are not going to be saved by Liberals (those who sin what they want to sin and when they want to do it). They are going to perish and lose eternal life.

The best thing that I can give to anyone, is the love and the Truth of God. If I truly care that much about them, I will continue to share the Truth, and nothing but....

Thanks AtlantaJJ...

 

[Shimmie]

Hi

I think you might have read too much in that post or I read too much in yours
I am still a Christian but the only thing has changed is that I do not blindly follow people but focus more on having my own relationship with God

Deleted the rest .. Overly wordy and not necessary

Have a good night Shimmie!

Adel10 ...

I understand and I apologize to you for 'reading too much' into your original post.

 

[Dellas]

Adel10 ...

I understand and I apologize to you for 'reading too much' into your original post.

Thanks and I apologize to you as well
I am not a liberal Christian
Not a New age Christian
Unless non denominational has become a new age religion

I will leave and say one more thing : don't follow personalities or make people your God
If you believe in the bible then read and form a relationship with your God


God may use people but they are not deities
Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, and even my beloved Joyce M can get things wrong when they operate by their opinions and get off the word

Thank God for his grace in our ignorance. No one knows all and sees all.
I still don't know what new age or tolerate Christian is about?

If you are talking about respecting other people and being able to sit down and break bread with anyone as Jesus did then that is me

If you are talking about equating all religions as the same then that is not me. I respect people right to freely choose but I have chosen or have been chosen

Thanks for entertaining my words in this forum
I need to go back to another forum
I wish everyone the best and be blessed

I may have stepped into something that I didn't fully grasp what was being discussed and for that I owe everyone an apology for not properly reading before responding

 

[Shimmie]

Thanks and I apologize to you as well
I am not a liberal Christian
Not a New age Christian
Unless non denominational has become a new age religion

I will leave and say one more thing : don't follow personalities or make people your God
If you believe in the bible then read and form a relationship with your God


God may use people but they are not deities
Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, and even my beloved Joyce M can get things wrong when they operate by their opinions and get off the word

Thank God for his grace in our ignorance. No one knows all and sees all.
I still don't know what new age or tolerate Christian is about?

If you are talking about respecting other people and being able to sit down and break bread with anyone as Jesus did then that is me

If you are talking about equating all religions as the same then that is not me. I respect people right to freely choose but I have chosen or have been chosen

Thanks for entertaining my words in this forum
I need to go back to another forum
I wish everyone the best and be blessed

I may have stepped into something that I didn't fully grasp what was being discussed and for that I owe everyone an apology for not properly reading before responding

You shared Beautifully Adel10.... and this is sincerely meant.

I receive all that you've shared as not only wisdom, but a lesson learned.

I wish you blessings above blessings and always, always, you shall be surrounded with love and peace.

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

@Adel10

the bolded made me smile, because I have 'chosen to be chosen'.

Thanks and I apologize to you as well
I am not a liberal Christian
Not a New age Christian
Unless non denominational has become a new age religion

I will leave and say one more thing : don't follow personalities or make people your God
If you believe in the bible then read and form a relationship with your God


God may use people but they are not deities
Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, and even my beloved Joyce M can get things wrong when they operate by their opinions and get off the word

Thank God for his grace in our ignorance. No one knows all and sees all.
I still don't know what new age or tolerate Christian is about?

If you are talking about respecting other people and being able to sit down and break bread with anyone as Jesus did then that is me

If you are talking about equating all religions as the same then that is not me. I respect people right to freely choose but I have chosen or have been chosen

Thanks for entertaining my words in this forum
I need to go back to another forum
I wish everyone the best and be blessed

I may have stepped into something that I didn't fully grasp what was being discussed and for that I owe everyone an apology for not properly reading before responding

 

[divya]

Bless your heart Mena...

Tolerant of other denominations of Christianity and Other Religions as Well. I remember hearing a sermon when I used to church more regularly talking about people who were other religions and not Christians were going to straight to hell. Lol. Ever sense then I have slowly lost my faith. I am friends with good people from a variety of backgrounds. So, any brand of Christianity that doesn't really support multifaiths. I am not interested in. Hopefully that makes sense.

This is understandable to me, especially coming from a family that currently has or has had people within almost every major religion on the globe. Growing up, that was naturally a question of mine to which the response was that people are to "live by the amount of light that they have been given." Christ is the Light of the world. We are to accept Christ but who are we to say how much of the Light (Christ) that people will receive. Whatever given, that is what we musr accept and believe.

I understand Romans 2 particular verses 12-15 to support the above...as well as other verses.

The majority that I have encountered within the branch of Christianity I belong accept this but cannot speak for everyone. There is, however, a general understanding that the investigative judgment of each person is a serious matter, and one for God alone. We are simply to walk in the light we are given and be a witness to others. "To whom much is given, much is required." Luke 12:48.

My prayers are with you in your search. Feel free to PM me anytime.

 

[MrsHaseeb]

Romans 2:12-15 is talking about Gentile BELIEVERS, not heathen. The Word tells us the Gospel will be preached in all the world. No one will have an excuse to not accept Jesus Christ. And per Romans 10:9-10 in order to be saved one must confess Jesus Christ with their mouth and believe in their heart unto righteousness. Ephesians 2 tells us we are all by nature enemies of God so there is no way for someone to be righteous without Jesus Christ. He is the justifier, the one who makes people righteous. There is no righteousness outside of him.

These all inclusive works based beliefs are dangerous. We are saved by grace through faith. Grace came by Jesus only. If a person rejects Jesus the Christ there is no salvation. If there is then it makes Jesus Christ a liar. I, however, choose to believe what is plainly stated in the Word and not what I think... People need truth, otherwise they are in bondage to false religious systems that tell you being good (works) can save you.

 

[divya]

I do not share the same perspective regarding Romans 2 due to the belief that the law (moral) will not pass away until heaven & earth pass away - providing a different understanding of the passages. Matthew 5:17-18. I believe that those verses deal with those who do not have the same exposure to truth yet believe based God speaking to their minds and hearts.

It is true that no one will have an excuse not to have accepted Jesus Christ but how much of Jesus is revealed to them is up to God alone.

This is absolutely not about works-based salvation, as all are saved by the grace of our Lord. However, how we live is evidence of our acceptance of Jesus Christ, whatever measure of His truth has been revealed to us.

Colossians 2:6 - As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him...

James 2:17-20
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

[MrsHaseeb]

I do not share the same perspective regarding Romans 2 due to the belief that the law (moral) will not pass away until heaven & earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18.

It is true that no one will have an excuse not to have accepted Jesus Christ but how much of Jesus is revealed to them is up to God alone.

No one is speaking about works-based salvation as all are saved by the grace of our Lord. However, how we live is evidence of our acceptance of Jesus Christ, whatever measure of His truth has been revealed to us.

Colossians 2:6 - As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him...

James 2:17-20
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

I dont read your perspective anywhere in Scripture. The verses you quote are all written to believers so I'm not getting how the above verses are to be applied to the whole world.... The entire new testament was written to the saints, not the world. You're calling God's Word a lie to suit your own views. That's fine, you won't get an argument out of me. Good day to you

 

[divya]

I dont read your perspective anywhere in Scripture. The verses you quote are all written to believers so I'm not getting how the above verses are to be applied to the whole world.... The entire new testament was written to the saints, not the world. You're calling God's Word a lie to suit your own views. That's fine, you won't get an argument out of me. Good day to you

Nothing in your post above addresses the Scriptures provided in my post. You may not come to that understanding,but I do, along with a number of sisters and brothers in Christ. It's fine if you disagree, but such beliefs are rooted in Scripture. No lie in it. Further, the Holy Scripture -Old and New Testament - are written to the world so that all people may have a greater knowledge of Christ. People come to Christ by studying the Word. So how can anyone say that the New Testament is written to the saints and not the world?

 

[MrsHaseeb]

Nothing in your post above addresses the Scriptures provided in my post. You may not come to that understanding,but I do, along with a number of sisters and brothers in Christ. It's fine if you disagree, but such beliefs are rooted in Scripture. No lie in it. Further, the Holy Scripture -Old and New Testament - are written to the world so that all people may have a greater knowledge of Christ. People come to Christ by studying the Word. So how can anyone say that the New Testament is written to the saints and not the world?

Scripture was written to the saints, for they are discerned only by the Spirit. All of Paul's letters were addressed to the saints, not the world. God is not interested in the world getting to know him. The world must first repent and believe the Gospel, draw nigh unto Him then He will draw nigh unto them. If no one needs Jesus to get to heaven then our Savior died in vain. The truth is in Jesus only, there is no truth outside of Him. Scripture can be twisted to say what anyone wants it to say but it never contradicts. If Christ says He is the only way, why would Paul tell the Roman believers He is not. That makes no sense. The idea of a liberal church where all faiths are valid is an Antichrist institution, period. It needs to be said. People need the truth of God. Without it, a person is bondage whether they are aware or not.

 

[divya]

Scripture was written to the saints, for they are discerned only by the Spirit. God is not interested in the world getting to know him. The world must first repent and believe the Gospel, draw nigh unto Him then He will draw nigh unto them. If no one needs Jesus to get to heaven then our Savior died in vain. The truth is in Jesus only, there is no truth outside of Him. Scripture can be twisted to say what anyone wants it to say but it never contradicts. If Christ says He is the only way, why would Paul tell the Roman believers He is not. That makes no sense. The idea of a liberal church where all faiths are valid is an Antichrist institution, period. It needs to be said. People need the truth of God. Without it, a person is bondage whether they are aware or not.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

God sends us to take the gospel message to the world in order that they may draw near to Him.

Who said no one needs Jesus to get to heaven?

Who said Christ is not the only way?

I do not deal with those liberal or conservative labels.

Who said all faiths are valid?

I respectfully ask that you do not make assumptions about the beliefs of others.