Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[Desarae]

I could not take pics after the first wash, my camera started acting a fool again. But basically, I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.

1. My hair does not feel stronger than it did before
2. My hair is not any shiner than it was before.
3. My hair is not easier to detangle than it was before
4. The front portion of my hair that is color treated looks as if it has been heat damaged. It's my own fault because I did not instruct her to turn down the iron on that part. I instructed her to iron out my hair like a regular iron out. (That she has done bfore)
5. My roots, which had been touched up 3 days prior to the treatment still look the same, not silky straight.


Overall, my hair looks the same. It feels the same, and my highlighted hair is heat damaged. I just don't know where I went wrong. I trimmed a little of the highlighted part but it still looks frizzy so I believe it is damaged up the shaft, so I'm not going to keep cutting it, I'm just going to keep conditioning it and hopefully it will smooth out a little.

I wet wrapped my hair last night tied with a scarf and airdryed and airdried (as usual), this morning, I combed it down, it doesen't look any "silkier" or different than normal. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from the treatment, but as a relaxed head (almost straight, but not quite) I just didn't notice much of a difference. I was hoping for stronger shinier hair at the least and just I didn't get that.

I am working on borrowing a camera so you guys can see pics of my hair today afer the wash.

 

[Desarae]

Your hair looks great!

You used the Softliss did you do the final rinse and the mask?

I felt like my hair was coated after using the Softliss too but I figured the final cold rinse would take care of that and it did to for the most part. I will definitely use less next time.

When I used the Chocolate Keratin, my hair felt smooth swingy like silk after I was finished flat ironing. Perhaps that's the difference between the wash same day formulas and the wash after 4 days formulas.

Thank you.

I did the treatment Wednesday Night

Yes after the 60min wait I did a cold water rinse, my hair still felt funny to me. And did the mask for 5 min and rinsed with cold water. My hair still felt coated after that so I kept rinsing and rinsing and just said forget it.
Then I wet wrapped it, Thursday morning, it came out very dull looking and the ends were very frizzy. But is was swinging.

So that night Thursday night, (Last Night) I shampooed, DC'd with Aphogee 2 min rinsed, added lacio lacio and wet wrapped again and airdryed. Today, (Friday) my hair looks smoother, except for the highlighted part. But it doesen't look any different than how it looks when I wet wrap it and add leave ins before the treatment. I will post pics of how my hair looks today in a little bit and add them to this post.

Maybe I just didn't need this treatment in the first place, I just wanted stronger (less breakage) , shinier, easier to detangle hair, and I wanted to have straight silky hair without heat, but I guess you can't have it all. My hair feels the same aside from the heat damage, and I know people get better results after the second one, but i'm relaxed, I should have had good results the first time. I'm kinda scared to do it again, because I don't know what to expect now. Maybe it was the brand. I don't know I so wanted to have great results like the rest of you ladies.

My BFF hair turned out good.





I'm starting to think that maybe I should have just left my hair alone : (

 

[lwilliams1922]

has anyone used both global and softliss?
any comparisons?

I've been using global and was planning to try other brands but before i shell out another hundred I'd like any feed back.

The global works well and It seems to be getting better with the less product I use. I used 1.5 oz on my unrelaxed hair that is almost BST and it looks and feels great.

I still think I need to apply every 6 weeks though. The product wears of very slowly with each wash but I do think it can last over 2-3 months. I've always had problems stretching cause my new growth comes in like a jungle.

on my next application in 5-6 weeks i think I will try the touch up that BritanyNic does.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I think the trick to all the BKTs is getting as little product on the hair as possible but making sure each strand is coated.

One of the symptoms of too much BKT used is hair that not shinny and swinging. I don't know how I got so lucky my first attempt because I got it just right. With the Softliss I feel l used too much. Perhaps the consistency of the OK Keratin makes it easier to apply and control during the application. :scratchchc I put too much on in the back with the Softliss.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Thank you.

I did the treatment Wednesday Night

Yes after the 60min wait I did a cold water rinse, my hair still felt funny to me. And did the mask for 5 min and rinsed with cold water. My hair still felt coated after that so I kept rinsing and rinsing and just said forget it.
Then I wet wrapped it, Thursday morning, it came out very dull looking and the ends were very frizzy. But is was swinging.

So that night Thursday night, (Last Night) I shampooed, DC'd with Aphogee 2 min rinsed, added lacio lacio and wet wrapped again and airdryed. Today, (Friday) my hair looks smoother, except for the highlighted part. But it doesen't look any different than how it looks when I wet wrap it and add leave ins before the treatment. I will post pics of how my hair looks today in a little bit and add them to this post.

Maybe I just didn't need this treatment in the first place, I just wanted stronger (less breakage) , shinier, easier to detangle hair, and I wanted to have straight silky hair without heat, but I guess you can't have it all. My hair feels the same aside from the heat damage, and I know people get better results after the second one, but i'm relaxed, I should have had good results the first time. I'm kinda scared to do it again, because I don't know what to expect now. Maybe it was the brand. I don't know I so wanted to have great results like the rest of you ladies.

My BFF hair turned out good.





I'm starting to think that maybe I should have just left my hair alone : (

I'm sorry you had a not so good experience. I liked using my OK Keratin better than my Sofliss. I have relaxed hair and I definitely got more shine and swing from the OK Keratin. I thought it was my application method but it could be the difference in the products.

I'm starting to think the formaldehyde makes a difference in the outcome.

I'm not unhappy with my Softliss, just a little less happy than I was with my OK Keratin.

 

[lwilliams1922]

I'm sorry you had a not so good experience. I liked using my OK Keratin better than my Sofliss. I have relaxed hair and I definitely got more shine and swing from the OK Keratin. I thought it was my application method but it could be the difference in the products.

I'm starting to think the formaldehyde makes a difference in the outcome.

I'm not unhappy with my Softliss, just a little less happy than I was with my OK Keratin.

how are the fumes with the softliss vs the ok keratin?

I don't remember any fumes when I tried the QOD gold, (but DD said she did)

 

[AtlantaJJ]

has anyone used both global and softliss?
any comparisons?

I've been using global and was planning to try other brands but before i shell out another hundred I'd like any feed back.

The global works well and It seems to be getting better with the less product I use. I used 1.5 oz on my unrelaxed hair that is almost BST and it looks and feels great.

I still think I need to apply every 6 weeks though. The product wears of very slowly with each wash but I do think it can last over 2-3 months. I've always had problems stretching cause my new growth comes in like a jungle.

on my next application in 5-6 weeks i think I will try the touch up that BritanyNic does.

I didn't use global but I used OK with 2%. I think the 2% and 4% are better in my opinion. Everyone is different though...

 

[Keen]

how are the fumes with the softliss vs the ok keratin?

I don't remember any fumes when I tried the QOD gold, (but DD said she did)

There were fumes with QOD but my roomate sat me down with my back facing the door leading outside and she was standing behind me. That really helped. She didn't even use a mask. Before that she was fuming on the first strand. Plus our air condioner had just went out that day.

 

[*fabulosity*]

I did my BKT with Softliss Chocolate here's the pics

After clarifying and naked Blowdry:

My setup: I had one fan turned backwards to extract the fumes and one fan facing me to guide them out the window. It worked great.

My Supplies:

I used about 2.5 oz of the treatment and applied as directed

The treatment is in the hair, I let it sit for 15 minutes

Blowdrying: I got a little teary eyed when doing the front, the fumes kinda got directed straight in my eye on accident.

Treatment dried in my hair, it felt stiff and tacky, I made my way to my friends house so she could help with the ironing step

After Ironing: It still felt coated and dull, I had her go over each piece about 6-7 times on 450 (Which probably was a mistake) My hair was very straight and felt thick. It had a little swing to it.

Pretty! Love your highlights! And your set up.. My set up was jankier than that.. lol (ask Eisani).. lol!

ETA: Where is the mask part? Did I miss that part?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

how are the fumes with the softliss vs the ok keratin?

I don't remember any fumes when I tried the QOD gold, (but DD said she did)

I had the fans blowing so hard both times that it wasn't bad. The fumes were stronger with the OK than Softliss but not enough to make me choose one over the other.

 

[Desarae]

I think the trick to all the BKTs is getting as little product on the hair as possible but making sure each strand is coated.

One of the symptoms of too much BKT used is hair that not shinny and swinging. I don't know how I got so lucky my first attempt because I got it just right. With the Softliss I feel l used too much. Perhaps the consistency of the OK Keratin makes it easier to apply and control during the application. :scratchchc I put too much on in the back with the Softliss.

I thought I did a good job of doing that, but I don't know erplexed

 

[Desarae]

Pretty! Love your highlights! And your set up.. My set up was jankier than that.. lol (ask Eisani).. lol!

ETA: Where is the mask part? Did I miss that part?

Thanks!

The highlighted part of my hair is now heat damaged. I didn't turn the iron down when i got to that part and now it looks all frizzy and crunchy. (I'm sad)

I didn't take pics of the mask part or the final product yet. I'm working on it now.

 

[sheba1]

All this beautiful hair! I have to come back to go into details. Things have been crazy crazy busy.

Mystic, Congratulations!!!! I'm so very happy to hear of your great results on the second time around. I'm telling you, you and I were so in the same boat. The difference between the 1st and 2nd was so dramatic. Girlfriend, you just wait, though, til month three!

 

[silvergirl]

hmmm.. i may have to wait to hear more results..... esp with softliss. also im thinking that my hair is not as long as id like yet, id prefer if it were bsl before i wore it out straight. and i think waiting the year will give me time to think, and also as more results come in ill have a better idea of which brand id prefer or even if i need the treatment at all.

it sucks cause now i need to think about what i want to do with my hair during this years grow out process,

 

[yodie]

I experienced alot of fumes with Global. My eyes were stinging, my nose was runny and I had to cough. Didn't experience any of that with Softliss. (This is when I applied Tallnomad's Softliss BKT). We had to use a tiny portion of Global.

DesiRae, I'm sorry you're not happy with your results. I know some ladies experienced better results with the second wash/treatment. Do you think it might work a little better if you try the treatment a second time? I know you may be a little leery right now.

 

[onyxdreams]

Desirae I hope it gets better.Someone said perhaps a second treatment might help.
Now I'm worried,I ordered softliss last night.

 

[donewit-it]

My softliss was shipped back for an insufficient address

I AM HOT!

I at least have enought to do my daughter's second application.

I was all syked and ready to spend another 5 hours on my own hair. Oh well.

I have to wait til they resend it.

 

[sheba1]

hmmm.. i may have to wait to hear more results..... esp with softliss. also im thinking that my hair is not as long as id like yet, id prefer if it were bsl before i wore it out straight. and i think waiting the year will give me time to think, and also as more results come in ill have a better idea of which brand id prefer or even if i need the treatment at all.

it sucks cause now i need to think about what i want to do with my hair during this years grow out process,

I enjoy the treatment for many more reasons than wearing my hair straight. In fact, I only wear my hair straight on the day I do the treatment.

I think Cutenss is the same way and I think she really likes OK Keratin for wash n go's. I use Global. I have Softliss, but I'm going to wait on using it for a bit. Loving my Global 2% still.

 

[Desarae]

I experienced alot of fumes with Global. My eyes were stinging, my nose was runny and I had to cough. Didn't experience any of that with Softliss. (This is when I applied Tallnomad's Softliss BKT). We had to use a tiny portion of Global.

DesiRae, I'm sorry you're not happy with your results. I know some ladies experienced better results with the second wash/treatment. Do you think it might work a little better if you try the treatment a second time? I know you may be a little leery right now.

I want to try it again, I admit, I am a little shook right now shoot I came from this bc 22 months ago and I don't wanna go back right now. I think it may have been the brand, I may have better luck with the "wait 4 days" treatment, I want silky shiny strong results and I didn't get that from Softliss on MY hair. My hair is not any worse off, but it's really not any better either

I just feel like I may be doing too much because the treatment didn't really do anything for me thus far. Maybe if I was natural or had really thick hair I would be more wowed by it, again I did it for the strength and shine more than anything and my hair just doesen't feel stronger or shiniererplexed

 

[Desarae]

Desirae I hope it gets better.Someone said perhaps a second treatment might help.
Now I'm worried,I ordered softliss last night.

Thanks for your concern. Don't freak out, your results may be great, the only advice I have is be careful with the heat, it's not going to get super duper silky no matter how many times you go over it with the iron. You judge the results when you wash it out and dry your hair again.

Good luck:wink2:

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

DesiRae, don't be discouraged.
You just had great hair (strong, silky, shiny) to start with.

For me, this treatment didn't make my hair straighter, it just keeps it from frizzing. I'm transitioning and when i get my typical hair blown out and flat ironed, it's straight as a pin, shiny and silky.

I have the same thing with Softliss BKT, however, my hair doesn't revert as quickly when i'm in humidity or exercising rolleyes, perspiring heavily, and the like. I'm able to keep my straight styles longer.

I don't feel my hair being stronger, either. As I posted before, i still have some breakage - not as much - but, breakage nonetheless.

Perhaps it's the brand? This is a different version of the bkt, after all. I'm only on week 3 and there are more experienced bkt'ers than I. But, all claims are that bkt fills in keratin that's missing from damaged hair. I just assume that your hair is very, very healthy. You should be very, very happy about that.

Besides, your hair looks great! <3 the highlights!! When my hair gets healthier, i'm gonna rock some, myself.

You did nothing wrong.

Thank you.

I did the treatment Wednesday Night

Yes after the 60min wait I did a cold water rinse, my hair still felt funny to me. And did the mask for 5 min and rinsed with cold water. My hair still felt coated after that so I kept rinsing and rinsing and just said forget it.
Then I wet wrapped it, Thursday morning, it came out very dull looking and the ends were very frizzy. But is was swinging.

So that night Thursday night, (Last Night) I shampooed, DC'd with Aphogee 2 min rinsed, added lacio lacio and wet wrapped again and airdryed. Today, (Friday) my hair looks smoother, except for the highlighted part. But it doesen't look any different than how it looks when I wet wrap it and add leave ins before the treatment. I will post pics of how my hair looks today in a little bit and add them to this post.

Maybe I just didn't need this treatment in the first place, I just wanted stronger (less breakage) , shinier, easier to detangle hair, and I wanted to have straight silky hair without heat, but I guess you can't have it all. My hair feels the same aside from the heat damage, and I know people get better results after the second one, but i'm relaxed, I should have had good results the first time. I'm kinda scared to do it again, because I don't know what to expect now. Maybe it was the brand. I don't know I so wanted to have great results like the rest of you ladies.

My BFF hair turned out good.





I'm starting to think that maybe I should have just left my hair alone : (

 

[Reinventing21]

Hey DesiRae! In the youtube videos of Softliss, there is a girl that is relaxed with damaged hair and they say she will need two or three treatments to get the full effect. I am too hoping for better results with the second treatment. HTH!

 

[Jetblackhair]

Another question for the BKT'ers. I'd like to have black, thick hair. My concerns are:

I'm doing research and everyone says that henna/inidigo will dye and thicken my strands. I also want to eventually BKT.

Is anyone using BKT/Henna/Indigo with success? Forgive me if this has already been discussed.

Anyone notice thicker hair with BKT?
Thanks.

Great question because I love my henna & indigo, mostly for color and then thickness.

 

[cutenss]

So I just did another BKT on my hair. It is about a week early, but I was bored. I realize that: LESS IS MORE! I used QOD this time and last month. Well when I did last month, my hair did not turn out well. It was heavy(in a BAD way), dull, and even frizzed up on me. Well today, It is shiny, soft, smooth, and SWANGIN! Like I am use to. And it is all becaue I used wwwaaayyy less product. I have a tendency to be heavy handed with products. You cannot do that with BKT. I poured a small amount of product into my hands and put it on my hair, that I had parted into 4 big sections sections. THEN just combed it through for about 10 minutes. Getting rid of any excess on the comb. I then blow dried my hair with minimal manipulation. Just finger combing. Then flat ironed as usual. The QOD BKT is VERY concentrated, and I realize that now. I ended up using about 1.5-2oz. I hope this helps other BKT'ers new and old. LESS IS MORE

 

[Ladybelle]

So I just did another BKT on my hair. It is about a week early, but I was bored. I realize that: LESS IS MORE! I used QOD this time and last month. Well when I did last month, my hair did not turn out well. It was heavy(in a BAD way), dull, and even frizzed up on me. Well today, It is shiny, soft, smooth, and SWANGIN! Like I am use to. And it is all becaue I used wwwaaayyy less product. I have a tendency to be heavy handed with products. You cannot do that with BKT. I poured a small amount of product into my hands and put it on my hair, that I had parted into 4 big sections sections. THEN just combed it through for about 10 minutes. Getting rid of any excess on the comb. I then blow dried my hair with minimal manipulation. Just finger combing. Then flat ironed as usual. The QOD BKT is VERY concentrated, and I realize that now. I ended up using about 1.5-2oz. I hope this helps other BKT'ers new and old. LESS IS MORE

Thanks for the tip! I just ordered QOD GOLD from ebay and can't wait for it to get here!

I do have some questions for anyone who may have the answer: what kind of blowdryer do you use?? Do you use a plain handheld? A handheld with comb attachment? Or do you sit under a hooded dryer??

just curious. I'm going to have to buy a dryer and want to know which one to buy for my BKT.

does anyone do any type of pretreating?? I pressed my hair today and plan to just leave it be until my BKT gets here.

does it matter what my hair condition is now? I'm a thick headed 4b, and my hair is in decent condition.

I've been growing my hair out for the past 18 months with braids, went through the big chop and am now reaching neck length (which is the longest my hair has been in a loonn time) THANKS LHCF!! but anyway-- the BKT doesn't hinder growth does it?? Any special instructions to not only maintain growth but keep growing with BKT??

thanks so much!!! I'm sorry if these questions have been answered before, but this is a very long thread.

 

[Dak]

Hello all you BKT experts!

I ordered the Softliss for my next treatment and have been reviewing the directions.
This isn't clear to me:

"After application process, wait 1 hour and wash hair with cold water. Apply the Soft-Liss Nurturing Mask STEP 3 massaging each strand for at least 5 minutes. Wash hair again with cold water, and Blow Dry."

OK, does the "wash hair with cold water" mean shampoo again with a non-sulfate shampoo? Or do they mean just rinse with cold water?

Also, does it matter with this product if you color on the same day?

Thanks

 

[ROZELIDA_80]

Hello all you BKT experts!

I ordered the Softliss for my next treatment and have been reviewing the directions.
This isn't clear to me:

"After application process, wait 1 hour and wash hair with cold water. Apply the Soft-Liss Nurturing Mask STEP 3 massaging each strand for at least 5 minutes. Wash hair again with cold water, and Blow Dry."

OK, does the "wash hair with cold water" mean shampoo again with a non-sulfate shampoo? Or do they mean just rinse with cold water?

Also, does it matter with this product if you color on the same day?

Thanks

Wash means "just rinse with cold water" based on youtube videos.

Color prior to BKT is fine based on comments from several people in this thread.

 

[Dak]

Thanks for the tip! I just ordered QOD GOLD from ebay and can't wait for it to get here!

I do have some questions for anyone who may have the answer: what kind of blowdryer do you use?? Do you use a plain handheld? A handheld with comb attachment? Or do you sit under a hooded dryer??

just curious. I'm going to have to buy a dryer and want to know which one to buy for my BKT.

does anyone do any type of pretreating?? I pressed my hair today and plan to just leave it be until my BKT gets here.

does it matter what my hair condition is now? I'm a thick headed 4b, and my hair is in decent condition.

I've been growing my hair out for the past 18 months with braids, went through the big chop and am now reaching neck length (which is the longest my hair has been in a loonn time) THANKS LHCF!! but anyway-- the BKT doesn't hinder growth does it?? Any special instructions to not only maintain growth but keep growing with BKT??

thanks so much!!! I'm sorry if these questions have been answered before, but this is a very long thread.

The last treatment I did was with the QOD. One of the hardest things about this process is the clarifying shampoo you use prior to application. It essentially strips your hair of any product/oils/conditioners. So natural hair at that point is very fragile, any type of blow dryer will work, heck, you could probably air dry if you had the time. Some ladies wash their hair in sections, which makes it easier to detangle once wet. I don't see where a pre-treatment will do any good, since the clarifying shampoo is going to remove it, unless you see that it will help with detangling.

No way will this hinder any growth, just be sure and have the right shampoo on hand (no sodium sulfate). Good luck! Take pictures!

 

[donewit-it]

I just finished a treatment on my daughter's hair. I can't get over the softness of her hair and not having to apply any finishing product. I did the first treatment two weeks ago.

I don't plan on doing another treatment until 6 weeks from now.


Question. Is anyone transitioning with this product? I notice that after I rinse out step 2 of the Softliss, her newgrowth waves back up. After step 3, her newgrowth is incredibly soft, but still wavy until I blowdry. (Not so much as the first treatment though)

Is this a straightener or just a softener and strenghtener?

 

[grnidmonster]

How long did you wait before doing the second treatment? I did softliss and my hair is great. I did it on Monday so it has been five days. I am seeing some small broken pieces from the end (when I play with it) but, I had bad ends to begin with. The hair itself has been soft and silky since I washed after the flat iron.
bout my questions.
My hair was extremely damaged and feels much better now but, I am wondering if it will be and feel even better after application two? I used to henna/indigo and deceided to cellophane after reading that Henna/indigo and BKT dont work well together. The cellophane and the BKT made my fine, thin hair feel much thicker and stronger. Hope that helps someone who is on the fence and cant wait to hear from ya'll.