Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[Dove56]

So how long do you leave the mask on ? Do you use a cap? Do you use heat? TIA

I leave it on aboout 3 minutes in the shower, I don't use heat.

 

[Dove56]

Isn't the mask just enough for the BKT? Now I wish I went with softlist. I was concerned with my relaxed hair looking way to straight...

I bought the 8oz bottle so I've had enough to do multiple treatments. I still have quite a bit left, it is pretty concentrated.

 

[Dove56]

Thanks, that's good to know.

Now what about BKT and relaxing on the same day??

I waited about 8 days after my texlax. I don't have the instructions but I do think it said to wait at least 7 days.

 

[Dove56]

No negatives, whatsoever here.

Still a Global user, also 2% and still loving it for my wash n gos and wet bunning. My 2% Global BKT'd hair can still frizz if I press it and go out in humidity. Not certain, but hoping my softliss will give me frizz free results when I decide to do Softliss after my hair grows a bit more.



I would love to do the no reversion thing in humidity. Haven't been able to achieve it with the 2% Global but hoping the Softliss will get me there. Won't be applying for another 3 inches or so, though. Tryna get closer to BSL before my Softliss app

I'm natural 4a/b and got a smooth roller set with Global 2%. I'm certain 3's can get there with Softliss, for sure. I made a thread on it: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=361299



You can definitely relax, condition, clarify and BKT on the same day. For specifics to Softliss, I'd say give them a call. But all BKT's generally work the same.

Also, I'm a super fine haired natural and BKT makes my strands thicker, stronger and helps me to retain length easier. I love it.

Thanks Sheba!!! I totally forgot about your thread! You rollerset was beautiful!

 

[Dove56]

Not really a problem, but I say skip the naked blow dry, altogether. Clarify, towel dry, apply bkt to damp hair. It applies easier and with no damage from blow drying sans products. I've applied every bkt this way thanks to Socalli's recommendation.

Me too. There's no way in heck I'm blowdrying my naked hair.

 

[cutenss]

Ok before I put this stuff in my hair tomorrow. I need to know if there is anything I need to know about the OK BKT.

I have about 3 inches of overBKT'd hair left on my ends, that never reverted. I want to try this so I can start rollersetting my hair weekly and stop with the blowdrying and flat-ironing.

I think I'm a 3C/4A texture so I plan on doing the clarifying wash just twice and tension blowdrying to 80 percent, then applying the BKT, then tension drying the rest. I'm hoping that by doing the tension dry I can reduce some of the damage blowdrying without products may cause. Does anyone see any potential problems with this plan?

No. This is EXACTLY what I did on my first BKT. I the OK BKT. I have the same texture hair. I did the tension method to blow dry. I do not see a problem. I have a thread that shows my hair through the entire process for beginning to end. GOOD LUCK and let us know how it goes. With ics: of course.

 

[Keen]

^^^ How do you tension blowdry?

 

[Kimbosheart]

^^^ How do you tension blowdry?

I take a section of the hair and pull it (gently but firmly) straight and then use a blowdryer with a sock diffuser to dry that section. This way is as gently as possible on the hair. The heat is diffused by the sock and I'm not ripping through my wet hair with a comb attachment or flat brush.

ETA: it takes forever for me to dry using this method but maybe it will take less time if I decide to do this after my BKT

 

[Desarae]

Ok guys. I just got done with the flatironing portion of my BFF's BKT Softliss. I know I promised pics, but my camera died, literally, it does not work anymore and I am HOT.
Ok, the process. She was about 8 weeks post so I gave her a touch up with SoftNBeautiful. I relax her hair approx 80% straight, (as well as my own)

Immediately after neutralizing and DCing, the process began. I clarified her hair 3 times using the Softliss shampoo. It felt really clean afterwards, but not really hard and dry like I expected. I gently detangled her hair (wasn't that hard) before blowdrying it 90% dry with a paddle brush. I applied the treatment in sections just like in the yourube vids. I used 2.5oz of the mix on her SL hair. Her hair seemed to drink the treatment up. Let it sit 20 min.

After that, I blowdried until dry. It felt really sticky and "coated" I could see the hair looking shiny as the heat from the blowdryer hit it, but as soon as the hair cooled off, it went back stiff and dull looking. (Is that normal?) Then after that, I began flatironing in sections, there was a lot of smoke coming from the hair, but I had a box fan in the window turned backwards to extract the fumes, and a smaller fan blowing directly towards her head so all the fumes went out the window. I went over each piece 4-6 times. Again, it felt silky while the iron was hitting it, but as soon as I stopped, It went back to feeling coated. I did not keep going over it for fear of heat damage. So now we are waiting the 60 minutes and I will report how it looks after we rinse it out.

I'm so nervous, I hope it comes out right, the hair looks good, but there is no swing or shine. I don't know what I may have done wrong. Are you softliss ladies seeing silky swingy hair after flatironing and before rinsing?

 

[grnidmonster]

I did it!!! I applied the Softliss Chocolate treatment today. It took me a while, no fumes (but I dropped a bottle of neem oil before I started. I may not smell anything for three weeks). My hair is damaged and growing back after a severe alopecia set back. Let me just say this is the best my has has looked since November 2007. It was so straight after the final wash, I dint bother to blow dry or flat iron. I am a natural 3b/c by the way.

I will take pictures tomorrow after I get ready for work. Ladies thank you, thank you, thank you. If my hair continues to look this thick and feel this healthy for the next 2-3 months, this product is a keeper.

Off to Coronado Island in San DIego and I will certainly test the frizz limits.

 

[Desarae]

Alright, i'm all done with her hair and boy am I tired! Man, I feel like such a loser because I don't have pics and I hate when people don't have pics, but I swear it was not my fault. I brought new batteries and everything specifically for this treatment, but the bootleg camera just gave out on me. I will borrow a camera before I do the treatment on myself. Promise.

Anyway,

After the final rinse her hair felt very silky, soft and straight.
Detangling was pretty much the same, there was still a few shed/broken hairs in the comb. I did notice the hair felt very soft though which was a plus. It didn't feel super strong to me though.

I blowdried her hair on warm with a paddle brush, which took all of 5 minutes. Her hair was very sleek after blowdrying, but there was still some texture to the hair. Probably from me not flat ironing the treatment in 100 times. Had I had a round brush, I could have finished the style without flatironing. There wasn't much of a shine after blowdrying, but the reduction of frizz was great. It took me about 10 minutes to flat iron her hair, and I just took huge chunks and went over each section once or twice. When I got done her hair had lots of body and movement, but not really shiny.

Overall, I am optimistic about the treatment, I didn't see miraculous results, but I did get good results. I look forward to rollersetting and seeing how her drying time is reduced.

 

[luckiestdestiny]

Alright, i'm all done with her hair and boy am I tired! Man, I feel like such a loser because I don't have pics and I hate when people don't have pics, but I swear it was not my fault. I brought new batteries and everything specifically for this treatment, but the bootleg camera just gave out on me. I will borrow a camera before I do the treatment on myself. Promise.

Anyway,

After the final rinse her hair felt very silky, soft and straight.
Detangling was pretty much the same, there was still a few shed/broken hairs in the comb. I did notice the hair felt very soft though which was a plus. It didn't feel super strong to me though.

I blowdried her hair on warm with a paddle brush, which took all of 5 minutes. Her hair was very sleek after blowdrying, but there was still some texture to the hair. Probably from me not flat ironing thoroughly. Had I had a round brush, I could have finished the style without flatironing. There wasn't much of a shine after blowdrying, but the reduction of frizz was great. It took me about 10 minutes to flat iron her hair, and I just took huge chunks and went over each section once or twice. When I got done her hair had lots of body and movement, but not really shiny.

Overall, I am optimistic about the treatment, I didn't see miraculous results, but I did get good results. I look forward to rollersetting and seeing how her drying time is reduced.

Hey what type did you use? I'm noting everyone's experiences for when I'm ready to do mine.

I'm wondering if you didn't see miraculous results because you took huge chunks and flat ironed it. i checked out some videos online and the sections should be really thin so that it bakes in the BKT evenly and that seems an important step. Do you think that would've made a difference?

 

[luckiestdestiny]

Sorry about that DesiRae, missed your earlier thread that said you used softliss

 

[Desarae]

Hey what type did you use? I'm noting everyone's experiences for when I'm ready to do mine.

I'm wondering if you didn't see miraculous results because you took huge chunks and flat ironed it. i checked out some videos online and the sections should be really thin so that it bakes in the BKT evenly and that seems an important step. Do you think that would've made a difference?

I baked the treatment in properly as directed in the videos, in small sections, but I didn't go over each section more than 6 times, and the hair never went silky after ironing it, it still felt coated, but I didn't feel comfortable going over the sections over and over until It felt silky. After the 5th or 6th pass, I stopped.

I flatironed her hair in big chunks for the final style after I rinsed and applied the mask and dried her hair. There was a definate reduction in styling time.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

The Softliss gets my hair really straight...but I'm interested to try the QOD Gold. I think I liked the Chocolate Keratin treatment better... I can't make that decision just yet. But Softliss was good. My hair didn't feel as nice directly after the treatment as it did with the Chocolate Keratin..

I'm just thinking out loud ...

 

[sheba1]

I did it!!! I applied the Softliss Chocolate treatment today. It took me a while, no fumes (but I dropped a bottle of neem oil before I started. I may not smell anything for three weeks). My hair is damaged and growing back after a severe alopecia set back. Let me just say this is the best my has has looked since November 2007. It was so straight after the final wash, I dint bother to blow dry or flat iron. I am a natural 3b/c by the way.

I will take pictures tomorrow after I get ready for work. Ladies thank you, thank you, thank you. If my hair continues to look this thick and feel this healthy for the next 2-3 months, this product is a keeper.

Off to Coronado Island in San DIego and I will certainly test the frizz limits.

My experience has shown me that not only will your hair continue to look great, it may even look better and longer in the next 2 to 3 months.

Alright, i'm all done with her hair and boy am I tired! Man, I feel like such a loser because I don't have pics and I hate when people don't have pics, but I swear it was not my fault. I brought new batteries and everything specifically for this treatment, but the bootleg camera just gave out on me. I will borrow a camera before I do the treatment on myself. Promise.

Anyway,

After the final rinse her hair felt very silky, soft and straight.
Detangling was pretty much the same, there was still a few shed/broken hairs in the comb. I did notice the hair felt very soft though which was a plus. It didn't feel super strong to me though.

I blowdried her hair on warm with a paddle brush, which took all of 5 minutes. Her hair was very sleek after blowdrying, but there was still some texture to the hair. Probably from me not flat ironing the treatment in 100 times. Had I had a round brush, I could have finished the style without flatironing. There wasn't much of a shine after blowdrying, but the reduction of frizz was great. It took me about 10 minutes to flat iron her hair, and I just took huge chunks and went over each section once or twice. When I got done her hair had lots of body and movement, but not really shiny.

Overall, I am optimistic about the treatment, I didn't see miraculous results, but I did get good results. I look forward to rollersetting and seeing how her drying time is reduced.

In my own experience, my hair became more and more miraculous with each treatment. Please keep us posted. on your future results

 

[Desarae]

The Softliss gets my hair really straight...but I'm interested to try the QOD Gold. I think I liked the Chocolate Keratin treatment better... I can't make that decision just yet. But Softliss was good. My hair didn't feel as nice directly after the treatment as it did with the Chocolate Keratin..

I'm just thinking out loud ...

That's the problem I ran into. I was like "huh?" I thought it was supposed to be silky after flatironing?? I used Softliss Chocolate.

Maybe that's one of the things that make Softliss different, since you're rinsing it right out anyway.

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

I noted that my hair didn't shine, either.
After the treatment, my hair was super soft and easy to ponytail. I had my hair professionally flatironed, so it was super duper straight.

After 2 weeks, I pre-pooed/shampooed/con'd and then my hair was really like, "Whoa!" I could truly appreciate it even more after the first shampoo. Maybe this will happen for you.

After baking the product in - no it is not silky, uh uh. But, I read that in someone's post, so I wasn't too shocked. After applying the mask it began to blossom. By the time I styled it was showing true signs of life. I knew it was different bcs of it's ability not to revert under extreme perspiration and humidity. Once I wrapped my hair or tied it with a scarf - even when it was poofy - it smoothed down. That's how I could really tell this was working.

That's the problem I ran into. I was like "huh?" I thought it was supposed to be silky after flatironing?? I used Softliss Chocolate.

Maybe that's one of the things that make Softliss different, since you're rinsing it right out anyway.

 

[silvergirl]

so... did anyone using softliss get any "shine" or silky feeling hair at all after the final wash?

 

[*fabulosity*]

so... did anyone using softliss get any "shine" or silky feeling hair at all after the final wash?

I did.. and so did the one I did for my mother.
For Softliss you're supposed to use cold water to rinse... I rinsed thoroughly and then applied the mask....massaged it through. Put a baggie on for 20 minutes. Then rinsed that out (again with cold water) and blow dried and flat ironed. And for both of us; it was shiny, bouncy, and beautiful.

That's why I continue to post that this is an essential step if you're planning on wearing your hair down.

Hope that helps.

 

[donewit-it]

I too noticed remarkable shine in my hair. Even today (5 days later) and co-washing every morning my natural textured hair is blinging.

 

[donewit-it]

My experience has shown me that not only will your hair continue to look great, it may even look better and longer in the next 2 to 3 months.



In my own experience, my hair became more and more miraculous with each treatment. Please keep us posted. on your future results

How often do you do your treatments Sheba1. I'm sure you said before but I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for that answer

 

[Desarae]

so... did anyone using softliss get any "shine" or silky feeling hair at all after the final wash?

My BFF's hair definately felt silky after the final "rinse" It was shiny, but not shiner than normal. More sheeny than shiny..

I did use cold water and massaged the mask in for 5 minutes. I didn't use any leave ins or anything to style her hair with afterwards because I wanted to see what the treatment did on it's own.

 

[sheba1]

How often do you do your treatments Sheba1. I'm sure you said before but I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for that answer

Hey there, Donewit-it. Oh my goodness, I totally understand. Between this thread and the threads I've started, my personal experience is spread near and far.

The first two treatments I did almost back to back; only 5 days apart. I did another 4 weeks later and my last one I waited nearly 8 weeks. I will continue to wait 8 weeks, I think, as I loved seeing my hair slowly revert over time. My hair became a little more difficult to detangle, but nothing I couldn't handle by adding a little oil rinsing to my reggie. The biggest plus was the difference in my length and fullness after 2 months strong of cowashing, wet bunning, and wash-n-gos. So, for now, I will continue to BKT every other month.

 

[yodie]

Another question for the BKT'ers. I'd like to have black, thick hair. My concerns are:

I'm doing research and everyone says that henna/inidigo will dye and thicken my strands. I also want to eventually BKT.

Is anyone using BKT/Henna/Indigo with success? Forgive me if this has already been discussed.

Anyone notice thicker hair with BKT?
Thanks.

 

[Keen]

I bought 5 oz of QOD Max for $25 including shipping on ebay. It came with two sulfate free 10 oz conditioner and shampoo. I'll be doing my BKT tomorrow (If I don't get cought up with work)!

 

[danigurl18]

mine is starting to wear off already! i straightened last night and i just put it in a ponytail this morning.. about an hour later, my hair frizzed up

 

[PinkSkates]

mine is starting to wear off already! i straightened last night and i just put it in a ponytail this morning.. about an hour later, my hair frizzed up

Dani, when did you initially apply it?

 

[*fabulosity*]

Is anyone having any dry scalp issues with Softliss??? I wrapped my hair and little sprinkles was coming from everywhere... WTH...

I also bought a new denman paddle brush.. maybe its massaging my scalp too much?? Weird.

 

[Mystic]

I did my 2nd BKT treatment 3 days ago and washed it out today. Sheba1, you are so right - the second treatment is really the charm. I hated my 1st treatment, LOL! My hair was so dry, the ends were a mess. I wasn't even going to do it again and just relax but I had nothing to do and decided to give it a second shot. This time, everything went perfectly. I have 3c hair now (from root to ends) that allows me to wash and go; the feel of my hair is amazing. I have no clue what 3c heads complain about because compare to my normal 4a hair, it is so EASY to handle and maintain. I see significant difference between my 1st and 2nd BKT.

I made a few changes from the way I did the BKT originally. This is the process I will continue to use because it worked seamlessly.

1. I washed my hair with the clarifying shampoo 3X. While in the shower, I plaited my hair in small parts (to accommodate the treatment one part at a time) instead of having all my hair loose. Plaiting it this way eliminates tangles and the need to blow dry.

2. I airdry my hair until it was about 80% dry. I undo the 1st plait, apply the BKT treatment to that section, move on to the next plait, undo then apply the treatment and so on and so on until strands had the treatment.

Because my hair was 80% dry, the comb was able to glide through my strands easier. I also applied the treatment differently this time. I didn't use a brush. I cut the top off the container bottle that had the treatment and I used a fine teeth rat-tail comb, dipped the comb into the treatment bottle (like a relaxer) and then comb the treatment through my hair. This method worked like a charm. It helped me to not get the product on my scalp and the treatment was better applied to the strands. It wasn't messy as when I used the brush.

3. I then comb through the treatment and if there were any excess in the comb, I wiped it off or apply it again to the ends. After that, I airdry but because it was taking a while to dry, I went under my pibbs dryer for a few minutes until my hair dry. I did not use a blow dryer at anytime.

4. When my hair was dry, I used my maxiglide to flatiron. I now prefer the maxiglide to my sedu because it accommodated bigger sections which allowed me to flat iron really really fast.

My hair was straighter than the first BKT application and I had no dryness issues at all. My ends are so smooth! I kept my hair in scarf at nights and during the day I combed my hair back into a ponytail and put on my half wig. Since I am not interested on wearing my hair straight, I did not worry too much about clipping up my hair during the 3-4 day waiting period.

My hair has gotten thicker now with this second treatment. The strands feel awesome from root to tips. My hair is back to its shiny normal self - it blings, LOL! I am now on my way to some serious hair growing and for the 1st time in a few months, I now can honestly say I have no intention of relaxing my hair. My edges are doing much much better with the BKT - who would have thought!

I purchased a same day wash BKT for $25 so the cost is coming down, which is good. This is music to my ears.

As usual, thanks everyone for all your input in keeping info going about the wonderful world of BKT. I have pics in my fotki of my curls if you are interested. Honestly, I wish the curls I get from BKT was given to me at birth; I would never have relaxed in the first place if my hair was this manageable.