Are you still natural if you do a BKT?

[BostonMaria]

I am not going to respond to this silliness...

I would like to see BTK'd hair - 4 months later...Without another treatment. That will be the proof for me - to see if hair 'goes back' to its natural state....

all the other talk is because it does not matter.

eagerly awaiting Pinkskates over all review in 4 months.....

Same here.

I haven't seen someone do the BKT and have their hair revert exactly the same. Its so new and the ladies seem to like it so much they get it done again. Actually I shouldn't assume... Is there anyone here that got the BKT done ONCE, never did it again and had their hair revert 100%? I'm very curious.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Wow, I wonder what kind of threads would be started about me when I do texlax....LOL.

 

[msa]

umm... she obviously thought you were talking about BKT.

I thought that, but I wasn't sure. I thought maybe I missed a new development over at Miss Jessie's.

But then nothing is more temporary than wigs, so if they make you "processed" than you wouldn't have to respond to her statement, I'm sure.

huh? I'm confused.

 

[msa]

Wow, I wonder what kind of threads would be started about me when I do texlax....LOL.

Why would anyone do that?

 

[Junebug D]

If it's temporary and reverts back, I think it's still natural. But honestly, I'm not entirely sure about what formadelahyde (sp?) does as I don't read the BKT threads. From the name I was under the impression that this was just a really strong protein treatment or something.

And for me, when I talk about natural hair, I mean have you permanently altered the texture of your hair with a chemical? If the answer is yes, then you're not natural. NOT natural= texturized, texlaxed, relaxed, silkened, jherri curled, etc. Natural = permanent hair dye, shaved bald, straightened 24/7/365, etc. From what I understand, my answer to this one is no because it's not permanent.

Clarifying-- meaning YES, you are still natural if you BKT, because NO you haven't permanently altered the texture of your hair with a chemical... presumably.

 

[cuteazz1]

If it's temporary and reverts back, I think it's still natural. But honestly, I'm not entirely sure about what formadelahyde (sp?) does as I don't read the BKT threads. From the name I was under the impression that this was just a really strong protein treatment or something.

And for me, when I talk about natural hair, I mean have you permanently altered the texture of your hair with a chemical? If the answer is yes, then you're not natural. NOT natural= texturized, texlaxed, relaxed, silkened, jherri curled, etc. Natural = permanent hair dye, shaved bald, straightened 24/7/365, etc. From what I understand, my answer to this one is no because it's not permanent.

Clarifying-- meaning YES, you are still natural if you BKT, because NO you haven't permanently altered the texture of your hair with a chemical... presumably.

Formadelahyde is a chemical compound that is used to preserve dead bodies,burn off warts,kill bacteria,and disinfect.It is known to cause Asthma,allergic reactions,and respiratory problems.The EPA has named it a carcinogen meaning-It causes Cancer.

So,be safe everyone.

 

[PaperClip]

Formadelahyde is a chemical compound that is used to preserve dead bodies,burn off warts,kill bacteria,and disinfect.It is known to cause Asthma,allergic reactions,and respiratory problems.The EPA has named in a carcinogen meaning-It causes Cancer.

So,be safe everyone.

And ^^^ is what has MURDERED any BKT curiosity of this 4a/b Natural....

After 30 (THIRTY!) years of relaxing to transition out of chemicals to put FORMADELAHYDE on my hair?

Girl, bye!

 

[cuteazz1]

And ^^^ is what has MURDERED any BKT curiosity of this 4a/b Natural....

After 30 (THIRTY!) years of relaxing to transition out of chemicals to put FORMADELAHYDE on my hair?

Girl, bye!

YES!

I can also see how we(LHCF"S)have gone natural for different reasons,someone who went natural to grow their hair or to try something new may see this in a different light-and that is O.K. we are all on different paths.I,Like yourself,went natural because of the chemicals and what those chemicals were doing to my cells.

 

[soulie]

I have to ask this: WHO GIVES A ? If SJ calls herself natural, and I call myself relaxed, each opinion grow no hair on the other's head. My reason for being on this board is to grow MY hair just as SJ is here to grow hers (and boy, it WORKED for her!)

As my father used to say, what you eat don't make me fat. I'm not challenging anyone over her definition of her OWN hair. There could be arguments that users of MT/OCT/MN/MTG/BT aren't natural because the hair didn't push out of the scalp at it's own unsupplemented pace.

Ladies, the lines between natural/non-natural are blurring. I think it's time to toss the current terminology and be more descriptive when we are speaking of our own hair. Feel free to say you are: relaxed, unrelaxed, BKT'd, or whatever. Feel free to include your hair type if you like; but I think natural/relaxed isn't adequate anymore, at least not for this board. This makes me think of that 'are you mixed' post the other day where she alluded to 'false hope'. If ladies claim natural and then show pics of themselves all BKT'd, some newbies will think that after a BC their hair will look like Pinkskates'.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

That's because her hair was already flawless. Bkt isn't a miracle treatment, LOL.

I would agree....
Her hair is in great condition.

Um.. So is mine..

 

[sheba1]

I would agree....
Her hair is in great condition.

Um.. So is mine..

Exactly! So I asked if she were still natural, considering she feels just as passionately about her natural hair as you do about yours. You know first hand the dedication it takes to grow natural hair to waist length.

The fact that her bkt results are lovely are neither here nor there. I was just trying to put things into perspective.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I have to ask this: WHO GIVES A DAMN? If SJ calls herself natural, and I call myself relaxed, each opinion grow no hair on the other's head. My reason for being on this board is to grow MY hair just as SJ is here to grow hers (and boy, it WORKED for her!)

As my father used to say, what you eat don't make me fat. I'm not challenging anyone over her definition of her OWN hair. There could be arguments that users of MT/OCT/MN/MTG/BT aren't natural because the hair didn't push out of the scalp at it's own unsupplemented pace.

Ladies, the lines between natural/non-natural are blurring. I think it's time to toss the current terminology and be more descriptive when we are speaking of our own hair. Feel free to say you are: relaxed, unrelaxed, BKT'd, or whatever. Feel free to include your hair type if you like; but I think natural/relaxed isn't adequate anymore, at least not for this board. This makes me think of that 'are you mixed' post the other day where she alluded to 'false hope'. If ladies claim natural and then show pics of themselves all BKT'd, some newbies will think that after a BC their hair will look like Pinkskates'.

I aint a newbie - but I shol do Luzzzz me some PinkSkates BKT'd hurrrrr

 

[Casarela]

a silkener..is def permanent. IMHO I just think that BKT is temporary with Formah...or without its a temporary process. The consequences IMO are pretty much the same as flat ironing, hair dyes...if not done properly the hair can be permanently damaged IMO.

We each decide whatever we want to refer to our hair ...If I press my hair and get damaged ends...basically I wouldnt be natural?! IMO Id still be natural but with damaged hair.

At the end of the day we all do what pleases us.

I was reading the definition of natural of the OP and it reminded me of some natural natzis I came across on another board at the beginning of my very first journey so sad and crazy...IMO, but ya know like I said each their own ( No im not pointing you or anybody just typing my thoughts )

I was referring to the silkener that the poster I quoted mentioned. Or are silkeners temporary now?

 

[soulie]

I aint a newbie - but I shol do Luzzzz me some PinkSkates BKT'd hurrrrr

I drool over her hair too; but what I'm saying is someone will see her picture and hair type (or someone else with BKT) and not understand that her hair isn't "unaugmented" natural - that she has done something to it, no matter whether it is a reversible/temporary process or not.

 

[SoAnxious12]

X marks the spot lol
j/k its actually been pretty tame so far...

 

[msa]

a silkener..is def permanent. IMHO I just think that BKT is temporary with Formah...or without its a temporary process. The consequences IMO are pretty much the same as flat ironing, hair dyes...if not done properly the hair can be permanently damaged IMO.

We each decide whatever we want to refer to our hair ...If I press my hair and get damaged ends...basically I wouldnt be natural?! IMO Id still be natural but with damaged hair.

At the end of the day we all do what pleases us.

I was reading the definition of natural of the OP and it reminded me of some natural natzis I came across on another board at the beginning of my very first journey so sad and crazy...IMO, but ya know like I said each their own ( No im not pointing you or anybody just typing my thoughts )

Okey dokey!

I drool over her hair too; but what I'm saying is someone will see her picture and hair type (or someone else with BKT) and not understand that her hair isn't "unaugmented" natural - that she has done something to it, no matter whether it is a reversible/temporary process or not.

That's exactly my point. I don't care what BKT'ers call themselves. Just make sure you point out that you've had BKT. That way there's no confusion.

 

[Dove56]

I hope everyone pays as much attention to their diets as they do to everyone's hair. Being overweight causes cancer too and so does eating junk food and NOT working out!

 

[PerplexingComplex]

Definitions of natural:

1) You don't wear weaves/extensions/wigs. (Everything else is fine)

2) No relaxer/texturizer/curly perm/jheri curl

3) No chemicals at all (relaxer, etc.) including dye and BKT.

4) No chemicals and no heat (pressing/flat ironing)

5) No texture altering in anyway including twistouts, braidouts, rollersets, etc.

6)Only leaving the relaxer/texturizer on for less than 10 minutes.

7) No added hair or chemicals, but texture altering and natural products are allowed.

8)No added hair, no relaxer/dye/bkt, no heat, no texture altering, no products other than water, and no combs other than your fingers.

Choose whichever one you like.

I choose #3.

 

[Casarela]

Okey dokey!




That's exactly my point. I don't care what BKT'ers call themselves. Just make sure you point out that you've had BKT. That way there's no confusion.

yup makes a lot of sens

 

[Dove56]

I'll tell you what. After dealing with all the foolishness regarding getting the BKT I don't think I'll give an update.

 

[sheba1]

I'll tell you what. After dealing with all the foolishness regarding getting the BKT I don't think I'll give an update.

and this is supposed to matter because....?

This certainly matters to me. And I'm certain that it matters to many others that are considering bkt or are looking for more information about it.

Veejee, I implore you to give your updates. If you start a thread, all your own, I doubt that anyone would enter it to spout their views, one way or the other. I had the same doubts when I posted my updates. I didn't even tell anyone I'd done it because I didn't want to deal with the fall out. But you know what? I did post my results and received no negativity in any of my threads. I'm certain the same would remain for you. Please post. It's important for those that are considering the treatment after us. We may even be able to positively effect others from next year this time! Just like we were inspired by Brittany and Qdeez and Princessnad and SoCalli.

 

[luckiestdestiny]

I dont have BKT, but I believe you are still natural since it doesnt permanently change your texture like a relaxer does. A relaxer doesnt wear off after a certain amount of time..If you arent considered natural after a BKT, then are you still natural after putting in color? Color is permanent, BKT isnt..

Thank you. cosign!

No bonds are broken with the BKT. Period. I think it makes some naturals upset because you can keep the hair straight for a few months, but oh well. You have to reapply it to the whole head unlike a relaxer because the bonds are not broken and the hair will revert to normal. It's just a longer press.

Are you natural if you do a semipermanent rinse?

It rinses out. BKT rinses out.

There really is no argument to this one.

 

[luckiestdestiny]

Great point. Although colors are chemicals, they dont alter the hair texter so I don't know if that counts. But I guess when you flat iron your natural hair or use a pressing comb you're no longer natural either because it temporarily changes the hair texter.

Exactly by that definition those who press aren't natural. BKT is a COATING that allows the hair to stay straight until it is washed off which is why you need to avoid certain products so that it does not wear off faster as your hair WILL revert in a matter of days, to weeks (depending on how often you wash) if you use certain shampoos.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Ladies!!!!!!!!!!!! Ladies!!!!!!

Love peace and Hair Grease!!!!!!

Be nice!

I think updates are important - but Veejee, that is certainley your call.

I am sure folks would like to see how your hair did with BKT.

For me and my household.... I will be waiting a while...
These new processes have really changed the beauty culture in the last 5 years.

We all remember when "chi" and thermal recondtioning came out....

And so this is just another one... That I can wait and see on.........

 

[Lady S]

I'll tell you what. After dealing with all the foolishness regarding getting the BKT I don't think I'll give an update.

I hope you change your mind. The reason I like LHCF is the sharing of information regarding techniques for the hair. The more we record our encounters with these new techniques, the better the whole community is for it.

That's my own selfish opinion, anyways.

 

[that_1_grrrl]

I do not see on natural upset over this. The general consensus is that BKTers are still natural. Some just think that they should make it clear they BKTers when they give advice or show off pictures, so naturals who straighten do not think their hair will automatically come out that way.

The conversation is going well. No one is upset.

Thank you. cosign!

No bonds are broken with the BKT. Period. I think it makes some naturals upset because you can keep the hair straight for a few months, but oh well. You have to reapply it to the whole head unlike a relaxer because the bonds are not broken and the hair will revert to normal. It's just a longer press.

Are you natural if you do a semipermanent rinse?

It rinses out. BKT rinses out.

There really is no argument to this one.

 

[msa]

This certainly matters to me. And I'm certain that it matters to many others that are considering bkt or are looking for more information about it.

Veejee, I implore you to give your updates. If you start a thread, all your own, I doubt that anyone would enter it to spout their views, one way or the other. I had the same doubts when I posted my updates. I didn't even tell anyone I'd done it because I didn't want to deal with the fall out. But you know what? I did post my results and received no negativity in any of my threads. I'm certain the same would remain for you. Please post. It's important for those that are considering the treatment after us. We may even be able to positively effect others from next year this time! Just like we were inspired by Brittany and Qdeez and Princessnad and SoCalli.

Exactly, to the bolded.

I don't think anyone who has posted BKT results/updates has had any "foolishness" go on in their threads. It's not like this thread was started by someone giving their BKT updates and then folks came in and debated whether that person is natural or not.

I don't see why someone wouldn't post updates for others who would find them beneficial just because some random chick they don't know behind a computer screen will be thinking to themselves "oh well she's not natural anymore".

Remember, it ain't that serious.

 

[JayAnn0513]

I would agree....
Her hair is in great condition.

Um.. So is mine..

Yes your hair is very nice but my post was in response to you saying PS had the best bkt you have seen thus far. I agree, the better condition you hair is in pre-bkt the better it's going to look after you do it. Just like color, a rollerset, braid outs, etc.

 

[spinspinshuga]

I hope everyone pays as much attention to their diets as they do to everyone's hair. Being overweight causes cancer too and so does eating junk food and NOT working out!

I was thinking this too but decided not to say anything

Please don't not update because of other people (and whether you do or not does matter. With how bellicose people get on this board get about what other women are doing with their hair, I'm surprised anyone posts updates! Where would we be then?) I don't intend to get BKT but I love looking at photos of the beautiful results, and it's not fair that others get to rain on your parade or anyone else's.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I hope everyone pays as much attention to their diets as they do to everyone's hair. Being overweight causes cancer too and so does eating junk food and NOT working out!

Uh Yea!!!!