reeko43
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Why be annoyed? Aren't the statements that annoy you just challenges to opinions, the very thing you spoke out for? Anywho, just my challenging opinion
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Women who alter their texture but still say they're natural.....
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Why be annoyed? Aren't the statements that annoy you just challenges to opinions, the very thing you spoke out for? Anywho, just my challenging opinion
Amoreofcurls
New Member
Lmaooo ya'll are just too much here 
Roux
New Member
Why be annoyed? Aren't the statements that annoy you just challenges to opinions, the very thing you spoke out for? Anywho, just my challenging opinion
it's a challenge to their whining. the same three people come into any thread that is...idk...controversial? trying to be the Rodney King's of the interwebs and I honestly just want take their jar fulls of tears and toss it back in their faces is all
MissMasala5
New Member
I was under the impression the OP was referring to a wash and go style rather than a roller/rod set. Yet still, I have only seen type 4 roller/rod sets that still look like roller/rod sets on type 4 hair.
In other words,
Perhaps my belief is based on my hair board and real world experience. I either see an exaggeration in the post I referenced or maybe, just maybe the woman the OP referred to is actually a type 3.
- Gel on type 4 hair looks like type 4 hair with gel
- Twistouts/braidouts on type 4 look like twistouts/braidouts on type 4
- A text on type 4 - looks like a text on type 4
- and so on......(insert any hair type in the above)
No exaggeration. The hair was similar to Angie Stone's curly fro style of the 90s.
dynamic1
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I wasn't referring to your post...it was the OPs post.
dynamic1
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Another thing - Using the term "nazi" does not do anything to promote the peace and harmony people proclaim is missing. Hypocritical much? No matter how offended you get from statements made on the internet...there are no naturals murdering/killing or taking others as prisoners...nazis, really?
Been here since '04 and the board has not changed in tone...rinse, recycle, repeat!
Been here since '04 and the board has not changed in tone...rinse, recycle, repeat!
chrisanddonniesmommy
New Member
Is this really a valid argument?
If you are using a texturizer or even using a relaxer in any form, you aren't natural, period. So, 13 pages of arguments doesn't change that fact.
If you are using a texturizer or even using a relaxer in any form, you aren't natural, period. So, 13 pages of arguments doesn't change that fact.
iri9109
New Member
i think op might have said that after the fact just to try to add some relevance to her 1st post, but even if thats the case it doesnt prove anything...depending on how i styled my hair/what products i used/the weather/day of the week/time of day my hair can go from waves, to looser curls to tighter curls and coils, silky, cottony, frizzy etc...even if i do the same exact method for a WnG, it's rare that my curls will look the exact same day to day, so just b/c someone's hair looks looser/different than the last time you saw them doesn't mean they did something to chemically change it...that's like assuming someone with pressed natural hair got a relaxer because last time you saw them they had a fro...if you werent there to see what they did, and they dont tell you otherwise then you really cant speak on it...
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reeko43
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it's a challenge to their whining. the same three people come into any thread that is...idk...controversial? trying to be the Rodney King's of the interwebs and I honestly just want take their jar fulls of tears and toss it back in their faces is all
LOL!
reeko43
Well-Known Member
I don't think that was what OP was gettting at. I don't think anyone here agrees that using a texturizer or relaxer still constitutes being natural. It seems to be the general concensus to me that people need to really mind their business and not become so riled up about what someone else does to their hair. God gave us the freedom to choose and people should really respect that on either side of the fence.
ladyviper
New Member
Dynamic
Thank you!! I was planning to address this.. For someone like me born and raised in Europe and who yesterday was staying near the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam. I find these terms used very disrespectful. To associate hair or hairtyping with nazisim is disgusting to me. Not choosing sides in this debate but this irked me.
Thank you!! I was planning to address this.. For someone like me born and raised in Europe and who yesterday was staying near the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam. I find these terms used very disrespectful. To associate hair or hairtyping with nazisim is disgusting to me. Not choosing sides in this debate but this irked me.
reeko43
Well-Known Member
@Dynamic
Thank you!! I was planning to address this.. For someone like me born and raised in Europe and who yesterday was staying near the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam. I find these terms used very disrespectful. To associate hair or hairtyping with nazisim is disgusting to me. Not choosing sides in this debate but this irked me.
Great point. I was introduced to the term by a person who is a "self proclaimed" natural hair nazi and I have read others who refer to the term with pride. I assumed that this was a term adopted by a sisterhood of radical natural haired women.
I definitely do not want to be offensive so I will no longer use the term. However, in all fairness, I think that terms like sell out, ignorant, brainwashed, etc. should not be used to blanketly describe women who choose to relax their hair.
candycotton
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Well, if a person hasn't had a relaxer in a few months they are technically natural from root to line of demarcation. Who made up the rules anyway? I am seriously asking. Who are the group of nappy professors that got together and decided what natural hair can and cannot be? Were any relaxed or transitioning sisters in on these decisions? Who decided that anyone who used the word "natural" in a different context was misinformed? I am seriously asking because I obviously missed the memo.erplexed
If you want to consider yourself natural after 2 months of growth, an inch of new growth, or consider yourself natural between relaxers..more power to you
nikolite
Well-Known Member
Is a person with 2 weeks new growth also natural then? Damn, why ya'll trying so hard to be called natural? Why MUST you be able to use the word natural? Just cut off the relaxed ends and then you're hair will be natural. I don't get what's hard to understand about that. The word for that is "TRANSITIONER."
There aren't any nappy professors but a number of women who decided to stop altering their hair pattern with chemicals or whatever about a decade ago. So as to EMBRACE their natural texture, whether because they wanted to accept their own beauty as a black woman or they were tired of the damage to their hair that's being caused by relaxers/hot combs. Its not that hard to understand what natural is--people just keep trying to change the definition to suit their own needs and making all these half-arsed arguments after the fact.
Once being natural became a fad then you had all these other people struggling to jump on board because they seem to want to be called natural but they really just aren't. You can try to change the definition all you want but it still is what it is. Sorry but ya'll just aren't being real with yourselves.
NicWhite
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If you want to consider yourself natural after 2 months of growth, an inch of new growth, or consider yourself natural between relaxers..more power to you
^^^^^
I don't know why but this made me LOL
ladyviper
New Member
@reeko43
Thank you. It takes a great woman to say that. and I also agree.. whatever a person does with her/his hair or wants to label it, is her/his business no need to belittle them with terms like sell out etc.
People need do to whatever makes them feel and look good. You live for you not for anyone else or the women of this forum. If natural makes you happy be natural.. if relaxed makes you happy be relaxed. You need to live in your body and live with your hair. No one knows what it''s like to be you.
This might sound harsh but sometimes it seems like Slavery has never been abolished. Because we seem to keep ourselves chained by treating eachother disrespectful and keeping ourselves down. We get enough bull from other races about our hair. We don't need this from our own. I don't always agree with everyone but the name calling needs to stop. It goes too far. How are we ever going to move forward as one people when we can't even treat eachother with respect regarding something so trivial as hair.
A quote from my Mother: Agonizing over other people's hair will stagnate your own growth.
Please remember that!
Thank you. It takes a great woman to say that. and I also agree.. whatever a person does with her/his hair or wants to label it, is her/his business no need to belittle them with terms like sell out etc.
People need do to whatever makes them feel and look good. You live for you not for anyone else or the women of this forum. If natural makes you happy be natural.. if relaxed makes you happy be relaxed. You need to live in your body and live with your hair. No one knows what it''s like to be you.
This might sound harsh but sometimes it seems like Slavery has never been abolished. Because we seem to keep ourselves chained by treating eachother disrespectful and keeping ourselves down. We get enough bull from other races about our hair. We don't need this from our own. I don't always agree with everyone but the name calling needs to stop. It goes too far. How are we ever going to move forward as one people when we can't even treat eachother with respect regarding something so trivial as hair.
A quote from my Mother: Agonizing over other people's hair will stagnate your own growth.
Please remember that!
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nikolite
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dynamic1
Well-Known Member
Were any of those terms used in this thread?
nikolite
Well-Known Member
There's a reason why this topic gets to be divisive. Our hair is a sensitive topic for black women in general. People can post about how they "don't care" all they want (which shows point blank that they do care). But the truth of the matter is that naturals get offended and relaxed/textlaxed/heat trained get offended for different reasons and end up getting pushed to the polar extremes because that's what people do when there is something deeper going on inside. And there is--why are we afraid to admit that and what's wrong with that?
IMO, some naturals get offended when people try to change the definition of natural because a lot of us went through and continue to go through a hell of a lot for just embracing something that is still deemed "ugly" in our community. We go through taunts and jokes about needing to comb our hair, etc. when we BC. And many are still sensitive about their own texture, but others are also proud about being able to take that plunge for their own personal goals. So when women walk around perpetrating, calling their bone-straight burned hair "natural" or texlaxed hair natural, it is annoying. At the most basic level, its a category that should have a proper definition--debates about why it isn't defined as somethng else get the side eye.
And for a segment of naturals like myself, its annoying because I went natural for sociopolitical reasons, to embrace BLACK HAIR and wear it with pride, so to me, the fact that the vast majority of us permanently alter our texture does not show pride in our beauty. Its not a good look to me when someone calls straight ends natural because they still dislike "our" texture. (I'm aware my opinion is the minority on this board, so feel free to ignore it).
It seems a lot of women altering their pattern but claiming natural are also still bothered by women who go natural, because they think the others' choice of embracing means that they are not embracing their own hair. So they end up going through all types of hoops and ladders saying they are natural too, or calling women "nazis" and whatnot for defining themselves. Maybe it feels like they are being boxed out and assumed they don't like themselves.
Either way, all this other stuff is fluff on top of deeper issues that we should be able to talk about.
IMO, some naturals get offended when people try to change the definition of natural because a lot of us went through and continue to go through a hell of a lot for just embracing something that is still deemed "ugly" in our community. We go through taunts and jokes about needing to comb our hair, etc. when we BC. And many are still sensitive about their own texture, but others are also proud about being able to take that plunge for their own personal goals. So when women walk around perpetrating, calling their bone-straight burned hair "natural" or texlaxed hair natural, it is annoying. At the most basic level, its a category that should have a proper definition--debates about why it isn't defined as somethng else get the side eye.
And for a segment of naturals like myself, its annoying because I went natural for sociopolitical reasons, to embrace BLACK HAIR and wear it with pride, so to me, the fact that the vast majority of us permanently alter our texture does not show pride in our beauty. Its not a good look to me when someone calls straight ends natural because they still dislike "our" texture. (I'm aware my opinion is the minority on this board, so feel free to ignore it).
It seems a lot of women altering their pattern but claiming natural are also still bothered by women who go natural, because they think the others' choice of embracing means that they are not embracing their own hair. So they end up going through all types of hoops and ladders saying they are natural too, or calling women "nazis" and whatnot for defining themselves. Maybe it feels like they are being boxed out and assumed they don't like themselves.
Either way, all this other stuff is fluff on top of deeper issues that we should be able to talk about.
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chrisanddonniesmommy
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Oh, I totally understand that. However, any false representation should be called out respectfully. How can we learn to love who and what we are under false pretense?
Kerryann
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This is a crying shame that this thread turned out this way but its lhcf its to be expected it never fails
Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion..truth be told i've encounter numerous people with texlax that claimed they're natural
I don't think the OP meant for this thread to go this way
Lets all agree to disagree who cares and move on to the next thread some of you guys go aaaaaaaalllllllllllllll out for nothing i would hate to see how some of u deal with a serious situation
Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion..truth be told i've encounter numerous people with texlax that claimed they're natural
I don't think the OP meant for this thread to go this way
Lets all agree to disagree who cares and move on to the next thread some of you guys go aaaaaaaalllllllllllllll out for nothing i would hate to see how some of u deal with a serious situation
darlingdiva
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QUITE A FEW OF YOU NEED THIS
This post goes down in LHCF history for me.
+1 for the use of that term in colloquial speech is inappropriate and obtuse. One person who has an opinion on one end of the spectrum does not a board tone make.
MsLi@512
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NaeChail
New Member
Part of the problem is people are trying to make Lil' Wayne a role model and he ain't even a Human Being
I know somebody understands my random comment!!!
I have been lurking and reading this craziness....but this made me
cuz I was like "HUH??"
Napp
In hair purgatory
Part of the problem is people are trying to make Lil' Wayne a role model and he ain't even a Human Being
I know somebody understands my random comment!!!
i think i do.....
Collar bone to Waist length in 2-3 years? im surprised no one has asked him for a regimen yet
