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@[URL="http://www.longhaircareforum.com/member.php?u=93837" said:
Nayna[/URL] ;13466593]I don't think she uses heat at all if I remember correctly. And I don't remember seeing her hair straight since she's been natural.
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keenyme said:
i think the post youre talking about was referring to lhdc, not chime. i don't think she blow dries.
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davisbr88 said:
On an unrelated (or related... at least to the OP) note, someone said she blowdries once a month while someone else says she uses no heat at all. Am I just sleepy, or did anyone else notice that?
And if that's the case that she does blowdry every month, LongHairDontCare does that as well and she is heat-trained, so who is to say that she isn't somewhat heat trained with frequent blow drying?
Her hair is an enigma to me. I watch her videos but I strongly doubt that my hair would ever look anything like hers, even though I have a looser curl pattern than her (according to the 4a/4b she is claiming). My shrinkage is bananas. *shrug*
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she uses heat "infrequently"
HairCrush (2 days ago)
@Natrlch I am not completely against using heat because I do use heat from time to time. My issue is when people use it frequently in an attempt to change their hair texture. This encourages damage. And I didn't know so many women used BKT treatments. This is something that I never would do.

HairCru (2 days ago)
@J4L I have 19 videos on YouTube which is 19 days of the 2 1/2 years that I have been natural, so for you to say I wear my hair in twists 24/7 has no basis. I wear wash 'n gos, twists, buns and puffs. Twist outs wash out; a perm doesn't. The "relaxer mentality" is wanting to permanently change your hair texture by straightening it to rid it of kinks/curls and this is the SAME as heat training. I don't see a difference. And I've never said women shouldn't do what they want with their hair.

bowswe (2 days ago)
@hairCru Interesting, I've never known anyone's waist length, thick hair to be "damaged". Hair that's breaking, splitting and thinning = damaged hair. & you say "for most women" heat training makes it hard for them to grow their hair? I'm curious where you got this statistic, because applying heat to your hair doesn't automatically break your hair and it definitely doesn't interfere with hair growing from your scalp. But I don't want to be argumentative, everyone's entitled to their opinion =)
HairCru (2 days ago)
@J4L There are several definitions of the word myth, over 4 in fact. The definition that I am referring to is "any invented story, idea, or concept". Heat training is an invented concept. It is not true that you can "train" your hair to "lay down" or straighten without damaging it.

HairCru (2 days ago)
@bows I know all about heat training because I heat trained my hair until I was 17. I had thick waist length hair. I wasn't concerned w/the damage that I COULDN'T SEE b/c I wore my hair straight all the time. When my hair was wet my curls & kinks were limp & dead but I didn't care. For most women who heat train, it will be hard for them to grow their hair but there are exceptions like I was. If you want to wear your hair naturally you are risking getting straight pieces and killing kinks.

HairCru (2 days ago)
@KAHleent Of course it is a personal choice. Yes, relaxers and heat automatically changes your hair and damages it whether you can see the damage or not. I did perm my hair and before that I pressed it every month. I went natural because I realized it was causing damage to my hair and I wanted to embrace my natural hair. I am not comdemning anyone for "heat training" but if you don't want to risk damaging your hair and killing your natural hair texture you shouldn't do it.

miss (3 days ago)
I absolutely believe that one should NOT heat train natural hair at all! From my personal experience, this method of training the hair will cause major heat damage! In which, I'm in the process of getting rid of it by letting my hair grow out and cutting small amounts of the damaged hair off.
nik (3 days ago)
heat training makes no sense to ME. you just damage your hair and then your roots still come in nappy. i dont get it....but whatever floats your boat.
loul (3 days ago)
i completely agree with you. Heat training = damaged hair, full stop.

Berryf (3 days ago)
Heat training is so silly! Folks need to use their common sense, Just silly!
ohgl (3 days ago)
I was waiting for you to say it was the same thing as heat damage. Heat training is a fancy term for heat damage. -_- People try to dress it up with different names. lol. And people act like just because your hair is long..it's healthy. Lies! haha.

kysn (3 days ago)
i here what your saying, But at the same token there are some youtubers on here with some long healthy looking heat trained hair( longhairdontcare2011 & 1mits1 ) however i do think it may eventually catch up with them idk though im not trying to wish bad...just saying

J4 (3 days ago)
Part 2:
2. U said u shouldn't try to change your natural texture, be concerned with straightening or try to permanently change your hair that's like having the same mindset as having a relaxer.
You are in twist outs 24/7 so u temporarily change your texture. Why can't/shouldn't someone permanently change their hair? I don't see why it's so bad? It's hair. If that is how this person likes there hair why does it matter. You can't read minds so it's not fair to say you have a relaxer mentality.

J4 (3 days ago)
Hello Chime!!!
Part 1:
I have a few issues with what you said in this video. Oh, and I do not heat train so I am not defending or promoting just addressing what you stated.

1. Heat training is not a myth.

A myth is something that doesn't exist. You have used the term relaxer numerous times when it is just chemical damage. You didn't say "when I had a chemical damage". You said relaxer. Relaxer is the name for chemical damage. Just like heat training is the name for thermal damage.

Kuma (3 days ago)
We weren't born with straight hair for a reason, we've had this kinky hair traits in our genetic make up for centuries and centuries, if it was such a bad thing it would have been taken out of our genetic make up.

Heat training is just bull. It's just damaging your bonds but not damaging it enough that your hair breaks. Thanks for this video Chime, I agree and I shared this video.

Sho (3 days ago)
I agree! To me the only difference between heat training and damage is the intention behind it! The only naturals that I know that "heat train" are naturals who wear straight hair ALL THE TIME! Which I also don't agree with.
enfan (3 days ago)
Thank you! Heat training= heat damage!
J4 (3 days ago)
Part 4:
Accept others (and their hair) as they are, not as YOU think they should be. I am still a fan of yours because you have such a good spirit and seem so down to earth but this video really surprised me. I was a little disappointed. I don't disagree that heat training is damaging b/c it is but it's not for you to decide or tell others what options they have and what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies. Everything is damaging for your hair. Google 'the natural haven'.
J4 (3 days ago)
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3. You said heat training isn't an option for you naturals.

When did you get to decide what options an entire group of ppl have? I know you didn't mean it so literally but you have to be careful of what u say b/c it comes off very judgmental like "I know best" attitude.There are numerous people on YT who use heat and their hair is beautiful and exactly how THEY WANT IT TO BE and that is all that matters. You love your hair and they love theirs.
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I'm sorry but reading those comments directed at her it is clear that people are idiots. If you pick up a cosmotology book, most of them will mention how heat damages hair and elaborates on the actual alteration to the chemical structure of the hair as a result of using heat frequently (which yes, is the same as a relaxer except there are different bonds in the hair being permanently broken/altered). Actually, when I first went natural I was terrified of using heat AT ALL, not because I read about it on a hair board, not because I wanted to be all gung-ho and natural nazi, but because I read about it in a SCIENCE BOOK. And a real science textbook that I got from the library with a $150 fee if I lost it (yes they told me this when I checked it out), not a book by Chicoro, Cathy Howse, Lorraine Massey, or anyone.

If people choose to ignore this, FINE. Personally, I totally ignored the damage they described using color - do I deny it? Nope. If someone wanted to tell me that color is damaging to the hair I would NOT disagree. It's a FACT. I just didn't care when I used it, and as long as my hair could still grow and retain length, I wasn't upset. Do I think my colored hair is weaker than my virgin hair? DUH. People need to stop taking this ish so f***ing personal. Everything isn't about you. The answer coming from someone who has self-esteem would be...yea, I know it's damaging, but as long as my hair isn't falling out, it doesn't bother me. It's just hair, it grows back.

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Welcome back!!

I agree.. any stress induced on hair (chemically, heat etc.) alters the hair and it will never be the same. If you can live the consequences and willing to risk then do it. Do what YOU want. It's YOUR hair. But don't be in denial and pretend that there aren't risks/or risk to damage in the first place. And don't get pissed at people who want to make you aware of these risks!

EllePixie said:
I'm sorry but reading those comments directed at her it is clear that people are idiots. If you pick up a cosmotology book, most of them will mention how heat damages hair and elaborates on the actual alteration to the chemical structure of the hair as a result of using heat frequently (which yes, is the same as a relaxer except there are different bonds in the hair being permanently broken/altered). Actually, when I first went natural I was terrified of using heat AT ALL, not because I read about it on a hair board, not because I wanted to be all gung-ho and natural nazi, but because I read about it in a SCIENCE BOOK. And a real science textbook that I got from the library with a $150 fee if I lost it (yes they told me this when I checked it out), not a book by Chicoro, Cathy Howse, Lorraine Massey, or anyone.

If people choose to ignore this, FINE. Personally, I totally ignored the damage they described using color - do I deny it? Nope. If someone wanted to tell me that color is damaging to the hair I would NOT disagree. It's a FACT. I just didn't care when I used it, and as long as my hair could still grow and retain length, I wasn't upset. Do I think my colored hair is weaker than my virgin hair? DUH. People need to stop taking this ish so f***ing personal. Everything isn't about you. The answer coming from someone who has self-esteem would be...yea, I know it's damaging, but as long as my hair isn't falling out, it doesn't bother me. It's just hair, it grows back.

**End rant**
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EllePixie said:
I'm sorry but reading those comments directed at her it is clear that people are idiots. If you pick up a cosmotology book, most of them will mention how heat damages hair and elaborates on the actual alteration to the chemical structure of the hair as a result of using heat frequently (which yes, is the same as a relaxer except there are different bonds in the hair being permanently broken/altered). Actually, when I first went natural I was terrified of using heat AT ALL, not because I read about it on a hair board, not because I wanted to be all gung-ho and natural nazi, but because I read about it in a SCIENCE BOOK. And a real science textbook that I got from the library with a $150 fee if I lost it (yes they told me this when I checked it out), not a book by Chicoro, Cathy Howse, Lorraine Massey, or anyone.

If people choose to ignore this, FINE. Personally, I totally ignored the damage they described using color - do I deny it? Nope. If someone wanted to tell me that color is damaging to the hair I would NOT disagree. It's a FACT. I just didn't care when I used it, and as long as my hair could still grow and retain length, I wasn't upset. Do I think my colored hair is weaker than my virgin hair? DUH. People need to stop taking this ish so f***ing personal. Everything isn't about you. The answer coming from someone who has self-esteem would be...yea, I know it's damaging, but as long as my hair isn't falling out, it doesn't bother me. It's just hair, it grows back.

**End rant**
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*sigh*

I just dont get why this is so dang important. To me, its just hair. Unless you have damage beyond repair to your scalp or health issues, it will grow back. I agree with you BTW. I just find all this to be.......stupid. :cowgirl:
 
^^I agree with you - it is just hair. The reason I stopped being so afraid of heat is because I did not want to be a slave to my hair, whether it's natural, or relaxed. I want to do WHATEVER I want to do with MY hair, whether it's straighten, dye, pull, curl, whatever to it. If I mess it up, it will come back to me one day...just not that big a deal.
 
EllePixie said:
I'm sorry but reading those comments directed at her it is clear that people are idiots. If you pick up a cosmotology book, most of them will mention how heat damages hair and elaborates on the actual alteration to the chemical structure of the hair as a result of using heat frequently (which yes, is the same as a relaxer except there are different bonds in the hair being permanently broken/altered). Actually, when I first went natural I was terrified of using heat AT ALL, not because I read about it on a hair board, not because I wanted to be all gung-ho and natural nazi, but because I read about it in a SCIENCE BOOK. And a real science textbook that I got from the library with a $150 fee if I lost it (yes they told me this when I checked it out), not a book by Chicoro, Cathy Howse, Lorraine Massey, or anyone.

If people choose to ignore this, FINE. Personally, I totally ignored the damage they described using color - do I deny it? Nope. If someone wanted to tell me that color is damaging to the hair I would NOT disagree. It's a FACT. I just didn't care when I used it, and as long as my hair could still grow and retain length, I wasn't upset. Do I think my colored hair is weaker than my virgin hair? DUH. People need to stop taking this ish so f***ing personal. Everything isn't about you. The answer coming from someone who has self-esteem would be...yea, I know it's damaging, but as long as my hair isn't falling out, it doesn't bother me. It's just hair, it grows back.

**End rant**
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Love all your post Elle, straight to the point and not biaised!!!!:clap: and sooooooo funny as well!
 
EllePixie said:
^^I agree with you - it is just hair. The reason I stopped being so afraid of heat is because I did not want to be a slave to my hair, whether it's natural, or relaxed. I want to do WHATEVER I want to do with MY hair, whether it's straighten, dye, pull, curl, whatever to it. If I mess it up, it will come back to me one day...just not that big a deal.
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Exactly. Thats why I just laugh when people dayum near faint when they see me now. Im like dude, I didnt cut off my tit! I can grow it back if I want!
 
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EllePixie said:
I'm sorry but reading those comments directed at her it is clear that people are idiots. If you pick up a cosmotology book, most of them will mention how heat damages hair and elaborates on the actual alteration to the chemical structure of the hair as a result of using heat frequently (which yes, is the same as a relaxer except there are different bonds in the hair being permanently broken/altered). Actually, when I first went natural I was terrified of using heat AT ALL, not because I read about it on a hair board, not because I wanted to be all gung-ho and natural nazi, but because I read about it in a SCIENCE BOOK. And a real science textbook that I got from the library with a $150 fee if I lost it (yes they told me this when I checked it out), not a book by Chicoro, Cathy Howse, Lorraine Massey, or anyone.

If people choose to ignore this, FINE. Personally, I totally ignored the damage they described using color - do I deny it? Nope. If someone wanted to tell me that color is damaging to the hair I would NOT disagree. It's a FACT. I just didn't care when I used it, and as long as my hair could still grow and retain length, I wasn't upset. Do I think my colored hair is weaker than my virgin hair? DUH. People need to stop taking this ish so f***ing personal. Everything isn't about you. The answer coming from someone who has self-esteem would be...yea, I know it's damaging, but as long as my hair isn't falling out, it doesn't bother me. It's just hair, it grows back.

**End rant**
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EllePixie
I don't even see this as a rant. It's just plain and simple "real talk", "the truth", and both of those things hurt ppl's feelings...so be it. Being honest is asking alot from certain ppl and I ain't mad at em but they should return the favor every now and again.
 
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I read this entire thread at work over a 2 day period. Pure entertainment. :lol:

Napp said:
her hair doesnt curl up like you would normally see...her ends dont even spiral up.



its not a hard strech to see that it doesnt look like your average 4a curl pattern which looks like this
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I know I'm all late and wrong, but I did have a comment about her wet hair picture. In one of her videos, she stated she only washes her hair stretched and in twists or braids. This might have been twists or braids that were unraveled; therefore, her ends did not curl up and pattern appears looser.

There was another picture of her wash and go, and it does appear her hair looks more like the second picture than the first.

ETA: Hi EllePixie! :wave: I got an A on my project. Thank you so much again!
 
tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT said:
she uses heat "infrequently"
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HairCrush (2 days ago)
Natrlch I am not completely against using heat because I do use heat from time to time. My issue is when people use it frequently in an attempt to change their hair texture. This encourages damage. And I didn't know so many women used BKT treatments. This is something that I never would do.

HairCru (2 days ago)
@J4L I have 19 videos on YouTube which is 19 days of the 2 1/2 years that I have been natural, so for you to say I wear my hair in twists 24/7 has no basis. I wear wash 'n gos, twists, buns and puffs. Twist outs wash out; a perm doesn't. The "relaxer mentality" is wanting to permanently change your hair texture by straightening it to rid it of kinks/curls and this is the SAME as heat training. I don't see a difference. And I've never said women shouldn't do what they want with their hair.

bowswe (2 days ago)
hairCru Interesting, I've never known anyone's waist length, thick hair to be "damaged". Hair that's breaking, splitting and thinning = damaged hair. & you say "for most women" heat training makes it hard for them to grow their hair? I'm curious where you got this statistic, because applying heat to your hair doesn't automatically break your hair and it definitely doesn't interfere with hair growing from your scalp. But I don't want to be argumentative, everyone's entitled to their opinion =)
HairCru (2 days ago)
@J4L There are several definitions of the word myth, over 4 in fact. The definition that I am referring to is "any invented story, idea, or concept". Heat training is an invented concept. It is not true that you can "train" your hair to "lay down" or straighten without damaging it.

HairCru (2 days ago)
@bows I know all about heat training because I heat trained my hair until I was 17. I had thick waist length hair. I wasn't concerned w/the damage that I COULDN'T SEE b/c I wore my hair straight all the time. When my hair was wet my curls & kinks were limp & dead but I didn't care. For most women who heat train, it will be hard for them to grow their hair but there are exceptions like I was. If you want to wear your hair naturally you are risking getting straight pieces and killing kinks.

HairCru (2 days ago)
KAHleent Of course it is a personal choice. Yes, relaxers and heat automatically changes your hair and damages it whether you can see the damage or not. I did perm my hair and before that I pressed it every month. I went natural because I realized it was causing damage to my hair and I wanted to embrace my natural hair. I am not comdemning anyone for "heat training" but if you don't want to risk damaging your hair and killing your natural hair texture you shouldn't do it.
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How'd you get these comments when they are disabled? :perplexed
 
This is how a typical heat training thead on lhcf goes

Original poster: lets talk bout heat training

anti heat train poster:its bad! its bad! its bad! Damage.(200 thanks)

pro heattraining poster: well for xyz reason its working for me. Its not as bad as youre making it seem.

Anti poster:youre in denial! you cant face the fact your hair is damaged! stop speading mis info!

Pro poster:well really its aint that bad.my hair is retaining length and looks healthy


moderate poster: well some people can do it.if it works for them great.its not for everyone.
*ignored*

anti poster: denial! Your hair will break off eventually! your hair is not really healthy!
youre delusional! You are ignorant! Stop sugar cotaing your lies! You are stupid to try and grow hair this way!just get a relaxer. I would never eva eva eva think of doing this because i am a sane beautiful balck woman who is in touch with the african blood that runs through my veins! Why do you feel you must hide the truth? You have some deep seated complex in which you must fry your curls straight because you feel like you should have been born indian!
(2000 thanks)

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Napp said:
You have some deep seated complex in which you must fry your curls straight because you feel like you should have been born indian!
(2000 thanks)

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i burst out laughing at that part:lachen::lachen:
 
This thread is crazy!The world must be ending 'cause i read the whole dang thing!

EllePixie said:
Well for one, like I said before, she wears a lot of twist outs...when I wash my hair after I'm done with a twist out, my wet hair often still looks like the pattern of the twist out (similar to her picture above), but longer because it's been watered down - that's why I found a picture of her hair after it had dried - which is the "accurate" way to type hair.

But anyway, I'm not going sit in here and argue/discuss/etc with y'all about this chile's hair type - because I think hair typing is hogwash and a half. I just think it's slam hilarity that every SINGLE DARN TIME someone has long natural hair they get classified as above a 4. Hilarious, or sad. Depends on my mood.

**Moonwalks out of thread**
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ITA that if you are going to dance around the Andre system (holding it above your head like a placard) then you should compare dry hair. The pic alot of people keep picking at is the wet texture (possibly after a braided hair wash!)
Napp said:
anti poster: denial! Your hair will break off eventually! your hair is not really healthy! youre delusional! You are ignorant! Stop sugar cotaing your lies! You are stupid to try and grow hair this way!just get a relaxer. I would never eva eva eva think of doing this because i am a sane beautiful balck woman who is in touch with the african blood that runs through my veins! Why do you feel you must hide the truth? You have some deep seated complex in which you must fry your curls straight because you feel like you should have been born indian!
(2000 thanks)

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lol at the bolded! African bold in my veins? As an African, I like that! :lachen::lachen::lachen:
Too bad we're all part-Indian deep-down ('cause once you have WL hair, you're part-something these days!)
Oh LHCF....grow up or grow hair!
 
1. Is her hair beautiful? Yes
2. Do I care what type? No
3. Would I heat train? No
4. Is heat damaging? Yes
5. Do I still use heat? Yes, not very often.
6. Did I read all 24 pages of this thread? Yes
7. Did the world end today? No
8. Do I love this forum? Yes, yes, and yes!!!
 
Napp said:
This is how a typical heat training thead on lhcf goes

Original poster: lets talk bout heat training

anti heat train poster:its bad! its bad! its bad! Damage.(200 thanks)

pro heattraining poster: well for xyz reason its working for me. Its not as bad as youre making it seem.

Anti poster:youre in denial! you cant face the fact your hair is damaged! stop speading mis info!

Pro poster:well really its aint that bad.my hair is retaining length and looks healthy


moderate poster: well some people can do it.if it works for them great.its not for everyone.
*ignored*

anti poster: denial! Your hair will break off eventually! your hair is not really healthy!
youre delusional! You are ignorant! Stop sugar cotaing your lies! You are stupid to try and grow hair this way!just get a relaxer. I would never eva eva eva think of doing this because i am a sane beautiful balck woman who is in touch with the african blood that runs through my veins! Why do you feel you must hide the truth? You have some deep seated complex in which you must fry your curls straight because you feel like you should have been born indian!
(2000 thanks)

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Girl you are too funny you made me laugh so much I was crying
 
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