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davisbr88 said:
Some people take things so seriously... Chill damnit! Just do you - don't worry about other people. I know I don't. Maybe I don't care enough, but I sure as hell don't waste my time being salty on what someone says in a thread that may or may not be directed at me, turning my blood to broth and sh*t for nothing. I ain't risking hypertension for no LHCF. Until that $6.50 goes toward my Blue Cross Blue Shield, I'm chillin.
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Basically...when your left arm starts going numb that's when it's time to close the laptop.

http://www.youtube.com/user/LeobodyC5#p/search/1/MZsPMVhvd9Y

CrownCola said:
If anybody could read this thread and be upset in any way... well that's just sad.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
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Hon, you'd be surprised. Sho' nuff someone is sitting at home kicking a pebble while they're waiting for their fancy new flat iron to come in the mail so they can thermal relax their 4b hair. :look:
 
It seems that people want to "quote" me but seem to have misplaced the quote button on their screens so..I'll address one of my comments

Part of my reasoning behind preferring to seek inspiration from watching someone go from a TWA to Waist length hair is enjoyment from seeing the stages of growth. IMO Chime's Natural journey isn't the norm...Most 4 a/b naturals didn't start off with waist length relaxed hair, most 4 a/b Naturals didn't transition seamlessly for 2 years, BC and end up with Still what is considered long hair. Most of the BC's I see start with the TWA/Much shorter length....and commence from there....

I liken it to seeking weight loss inspiration from someone who lost 20 lbs vs why I would prefer to seek it from someone who lost 50+.....the dramatic difference is what inspires me...watching a woman go from 160 lbs to 130 lbs doesn't inspire me as much as watching someone go from 250 lbs to 150 lbs....(Not going to get into body types etc but you get the gist) Both journey's are respected in the sense that they lost weight but when I want to be inspired typically I like to see something dramatic. Why that's wrong? I'm not sure.....

IMO Chime is the exception...she isn't the norm. So why is it difficult to understand why some people would rather be inspired by what they can relate to (the norm) vs attempting to relate to something that appears to be the exception.(For her purported hair type)

We all can agree that Chime has a gorgeous head of hair. Period. If it's not PC for me to state that IMO her HHJ seemed easier than most of the 4a/b natural journey's I've watched unfold on here and on YT....then so be it.

If Chime's HHJ was the norm LHCF would be over run with Waist length naturals...and a lot of the length polls I see on here show me differently. No one ever said 4a/b natural hair can't grow long or to waist length, no one said it is impossible. But to sit here and posture as if it's not difficult and is the norm? Isn't logical.

So if People want to argue that the exception is in fact the norm....than have at it.
 
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I agree with her, but that's just MY opinion. To me, when I was flatironing my natural hair too much, and I can see the curl loosen, some may say it was "heat trained" but it was damaged to me. It was still a decent length and growing but the curl was lost. My sister has a full head of heat trained hair and to me, it feels stringy, not much different than a relaxer when wet. When she was talking about the breaking down of the bonds, she was on target. When you thermal style and color your hair, you are manipulating the salt bond and continually breaking them down at high temperatures will break the bond permanently and the salt bond is responsible for 1/3 of the hairs overall strength. So if someone chooses to do that for whatever reason, they need to make sure they are super nice and careful to moisturize and protien on a regular basis. I think her hair is gorgeous and I wish my hair looked as full as hers, you can hide all up in there! She shaved part of her head, which was pretty ballsy IMO, I know I couldn't do it. If she updates during the growing out phase, then I guess those requiring proof that her hair is a certain texture before claiming to be 4a-b shall see if it's the weight causing her hair to look to some like a different texture, not that it should matter.

Side Note: I wonder what would have happened if she would have claimed 3b-c hair, I think she may have been stoned for it not being silky or having strongly defined curls. The girl can't win. Can't we just celebrate her long hair, I mean this IS the LONG HAIR CARE FORUM.
 
andromeda said:
Thanks @Rei, especially for the bold.

I saw this controversy coming from a mile away when I watched haircrush's first vid. I knew that her lack of shrinkage would be a source of resentment and/or curiosity - and I don't think there's anything particularly sinister about either of those feelings, esp the latter. I also noticed that she referred to herself as "natural hair guru", which is problematic when you're only dealing with you're (atypical) head of hair.

Although Andre's hair typing system has evolved (and diverged somewhat over the years), there are still conventional traits for the categories - curl/coil size (smaller than pencil), pattern (zig-zag or non-existent), texture (cottony), shrinkage (substantial).

If someone chooses to use this system to classify their hair, yet their hair *seems to* defy the key traits of the category, isn't it expected that people would be stymied? If a square has 3 sides, is it still a square, even if it calls itself such? I know it's not that simple, but hopefully that illustrates my point. If someone with tightly coiled-hair were to call themselves a type 1, should we accept that bc "they know their hair best" and "it's theirs, so they can call it what they want?".

I don't think the "oh, they just can't accept that type 4 hair grows that long" or "they're just jealous of her good hair" arguments apply to most of the people that question haircrush's type 4 classification. Nor do I think they're all trying to push her into the 3 category. They're simply saying that her hair is atypical of what is generally understood and recognized as type 4.

I personally try to avoid that hair typing at all costs, so I'm not invested (or sure) of her type 4 street cred. Based on what I've seen and what's been written here, I would describe her hair as cottony, fine strands, high porosity, minimal shrinkage, very high density, pen-sized curls/waves. If any good comes out of this thread, it will be that people start including the other more important traits mentioned - density, strand size, porousness, etc - in their concept of hair typing. I think honing on in these factors would make it much easier and more productive in understanding why hair appears, behaves, responds to certain techniques and ingredients and differs from head to head.

re: her pronouncements on heat training, based on her previous vid on why she went natural, it's obvious that she has a militant, "black and white" approach to being natural. As rei said, her opposition to ht is ironic. There are women with heat-trained hair that is still kinkier and has more shrinkage than haircrush's. And they where their in textured styles the majority of the time. As far as naturals who almost always wear their hair straightened, as someone pointed out a while ago, press-n-curl/straightened naturals were the norm before relaxers and they were never considered (by themselves or others) "natural". It's all about motivations.
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My delivery in my initial post failed to capture the bolded but I co-sign this 100% and this was the driving feeling behing my statements.

Well said.
 
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I'm sorry, but since when do twist/braid-outs have the same affect as heat damage?

I've been consistently wearing my hair in braid-outs for the last few months and every time I wash, my hair reverts back to it's original pattern. Yesterday I co-washed and decided to do a wash 'n go using KCCC and my hair is still kinky.

The only way I can see someone's texture not fully returning would be if they had a lot of product in place holding that twist/braid-out together, and when they rinsed the hair, all of the product wasn't removed; thus still leaving weighted product on the hair.

But alas, everyone's hair is different I guess. I just have to raise an eyebrow to this texture-change info being passed around.
 
davisbr88 said:
Psssh... get over yourself and sprinkle some of that on your chicken dinner.
It's NEVER that serious to be stewing in Morton's.
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@davisbr88 Girl, you just made me blow juice on all over everything laughing. I just come up from putting my chicken in some morton's kosher salt (brine) getting it ready to fry up later :lachen:
PS l like your new avi
 
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Priss Pot said:
I'm sorry, but since when do twist/braid-outs have the same affect as heat damage?

I've been consistently wearing my hair in braid-outs for the last few months and every time I wash, my hair reverts back to it's original pattern. Yesterday I co-washed and decided to do a wash 'n go using KCCC and my hair is still kinky.

The only way I can see someone's texture not fully returning would be if they had a lot of product in place holding that twist/braid-out together, and when they rinsed the hair, all of the product wasn't removed; thus still leaving weighted product on the hair.

But alas, everyone's hair is different I guess. I just have to raise an eyebrow to this texture-change info being passed around.
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It's not the same as heat damage, it's a structural change to the actual hair strand, but not the internal structure of the hair. I can only speak for myself, but I have seen others on boards mention that after doing a twist out their hair looks looser and it takes a couple of days for it to revert back fully. For me this happens with almost any way that I alter my hair though, which is why I prefer to stick to wash n gos (it's annoying for me to wait for my hair to "find" itself again)...even if I comb my hair it will take me like 3 ROs for my hair to start to settle back into its natural pattern. I thought it had something to do with my hair being low porosity, so it takes awhile for it to get fully saturated with water and for it to penetrate my strands, because I usually only use conditioner for my TOs. I know your post was not directed solely at me but I was not saying that it's like heat damage at all. It's a superficial change.
 
Loveygram said:
@davisbr88 Girl, you just made me blow juice on all over everything laughing. I just come up from putting my chicken in some morton's kosher salt (brine) getting it ready to fry up later :lachen:
PS l like your new avi
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Aww thanks!
And I'm just saying.... Sometimes things aren't that serious that it should affect your everyday life!
 
344 posts... OMG I hit refresh and come back to 344 posts about this girl's hair? LMFAO
I thought her YT page had disabled comments because of what she was saying. Now I see people are accusing her of lying about her hair type SMDH
 
Priss Pot said:
I'm sorry, but since when do twist/braid-outs have the same affect as heat damage?

I've been consistently wearing my hair in braid-outs for the last few months and every time I wash, my hair reverts back to it's original pattern. Yesterday I co-washed and decided to do a wash 'n go using KCCC and my hair is still kinky.

The only way I can see someone's texture not fully returning would be if they had a lot of product in place holding that twist/braid-out together, and when they rinsed the hair, all of the product wasn't removed; thus still leaving weighted product on the hair.

But alas, everyone's hair is different I guess. I just have to raise an eyebrow to this texture-change info being passed around.
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That's your answer :look:
 
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davisbr88 said:
Will the both of you kindly direct yourselves to the "log off" portion of the site?
Thank you and good night.
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I promise I will be good

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actually you missed alot.. there are other topics too and they are funny as hell. I can't seem to log off .. it's just too much fun here..

BostonMaria said:
344 posts... OMG I hit refresh and come back to 344 posts about this girl's hair? LMFAO
I thought her YT page had disabled comments because of what she was saying. Now I see people are accusing her of lying about her hair type SMDH
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EllePixie said:
It's not the same as heat damage, it's a structural change to the actual hair strand, but not the internal structure of the hair. I can only speak for myself, but I have seen others on boards mention that after doing a twist out their hair looks looser and it takes a couple of days for it to revert back fully. For me this happens with almost any way that I alter my hair though, which is why I prefer to stick to wash n gos (it's annoying for me to wait for my hair to "find" itself again)...even if I comb my hair it will take me like 3 ROs for my hair to start to settle back into its natural pattern. I thought it had something to do with my hair being low porosity, so it takes awhile for it to get fully saturated with water and for it to penetrate my strands, because I usually only use conditioner for my TOs. I know your post was not directed solely at me but I was not saying that it's like heat damage at all. It's a superficial change.
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I didn't either :look: Great explanation.
 
BeautyGoesDutch said:
I know this is changed the subject but you have beautiful hair. what is your type? and Hair Reggie? :yep:
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Aww thank you! Its a shame to say but I really do nothing to it lately. I deep condition once a week and put it up in a ponytail. Or I rollerset 1-2x a month and keep it in a ponytail. I use AOHR as a DC. PM me if you need more info.

Pokahontas said:
I love her hair but her shrinkage just confuses me. She's a 4a/b and gets like a few inches of shrinkage (she says 4" or less) and I get like shrinkage up to my armpit (or shorter) when my hair is hip-length.....*facepalm*
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All I know is that I am 3C and my waist length hair does NOT stretch like that *crying* It still shrinks up to my freakin ears. Her hair is lovely!
 
EllePixie said:
It's not the same as heat damage, it's a structural change to the actual hair strand, but not the internal structure of the hair. I can only speak for myself, but I have seen others on boards mention that after doing a twist out their hair looks looser and it takes a couple of days for it to revert back fully. For me this happens with almost any way that I alter my hair though, which is why I prefer to stick to wash n gos (it's annoying for me to wait for my hair to "find" itself again)...even if I comb my hair it will take me like 3 ROs for my hair to start to settle back into its natural pattern. I thought it had something to do with my hair being low porosity, so it takes awhile for it to get fully saturated with water and for it to penetrate my strands, because I usually only use conditioner for my TOs. I know your post was not directed solely at me but I was not saying that it's like heat damage at all. It's a superficial change.
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I would think that the texture change would have something to do with the rate of water saturation as well. My post was not with the intent of throwing any shade against you, but I just thought that some of these statements came off as very "matter of fact." The braid-train and water-train declarations that others made really threw me for a loop. This forum has many lurkers and people who are new to the hair game and very impressionable, so we really have to be careful with how we spread information. Simply braiding or adding water to the hair does not permanently loosen your hair texture. Your explanation makes more sense.



nappystorm said:
That's your answer :look:
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K.
 
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