nappystorm
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Can someone post it? I can't remember her username
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"Should You Heat Train?" Video
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EllePixie
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I definitely see what you are saying, although I don't agree with the AA metaphor, as that involves many more people than the targeted social group and is much more complex. Heat training only affects one person - the person doing it. A good comparison would be like...a person with curlier hair saying they are against relaxers, and then kinky-haired people with relaxers get up in arms because they're like, "You don't get to have a say, you don't need a relaxer anyway..."
I agree that her tone was a bit strong, but hey, if that's the video she wants to make, I can't be mad, ya know? I made a video about how I can't stand hair typing, and you could say the same thing about that video...but I made it because people kept asking me my hair type - I wasn't just trying to be a jerk on YT. Well, not that time.
EllePixie
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nappystorm
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I died after the first 5 seconds. WTH is up with them shells
ETA: Love her self esteem though. Werk it!
davisbr88
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Girl I don't either. Maybe Elle does?
Yeah, I admit I was being a bit unfair. I can't tell someone not to have/voice their opinion - I guess I'm just more nonchalant about things. If it doesn't directly affect me, why do I really care?
Using your previous example about the boobs and implants: I have big boobs and I honestly just do not care enough to make an entire video dogging implants. Not saying that I don't care at all about things that don't affect me, because I definitely do, but not usually enough to make a video about it. Especially if I had been using the method my own self. Like if I wore padded push-up bras for years and then all of a sudden stopped and felt the need to dog implants. Huh?
But like I said, I don't sub to her or watch many of her videos and I will always admit when I am wrong. I didn't watch her hair journey vid or anything so obviously this means a lot to her - and I guess enough to make a video. I just didn't think it was that serious. Especially when there are other ladies on YT that heat train, showing that it DOES in fact exist (I don't know where she got that from) and have been successful in getting to their length goals.
ETA: And again, I didn't think of the fact that someone could have just asked her. There are so many people on YT that make vids just to get controversy/views so it just seemed weird to me for her to bring it up when it doesn't really affect her, whereas hair type is obviously going to affect almost every natural that posts on YT since that's a very common question.
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EllePixie
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Ok well ...yeah the whole wondering if she's type 4 or not is kind of meh but to me at least, even the hair typing system is flawed. I guess its hard to realize that even with the typing system, there are variations on hair. I'm a 4b with fine strands and medium density, and yet my hair is completely different from another 4b with fine strands and medium density. Maybe it would be easier for people to ignore the typing and just look at how the hair performs in terms of adopting things in the other person's regimen. for example, I used to try and use the same products as mwedzi because we were both 4b before i realized my hair hated vo5 and all things protein. Despite the fact that just by looking, we might be hairtwins (just with mine a heck of a lot shorter) in reality, her strands are coarser and in such, behave differently than mine, although we're the same 'type'. I think this is where the confusion is coming from the false belief that the types are the be all and end all of hair
true enough.
People are both jealous and they want to hear about other naturals who struggled with their hair as well. Just like on the board, if you notice the threads about 'who has long hair now who has never had long hair before' are abundant, mostly because people want to listen to those who have been through those struggles and through their regimen (and not genetics, and this counts for blacks as well). Sometimes its just hard to be on a HHJ for years and wonder at your hair that is growing 2cms a month LOL. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people should just learn what their own hair does rather than look to others and try and figure out 'well how can my hair look exactly like that'. if you know what i'm trying to get at
The shrinkage was a variable becuase if you have less shrinkage, your hair does not curl up back against itself as much and by proxy, you'll have hair that is easier to detangle and less likely to catch itself up in snags and little pixie knots (let me put a disclaimer here that i'm not saying that nobody but type fos get pixie knots)
She can be against heat training its fine, i'm just sort of saying reasons why some people might not really want to hear her opinion on it. It would be exactly like if someone with big boobs said they were against breast implants or if a small chested chick said getting a breast reduction is wrong (although these metaphors are also flawed because she does have kinky hair. I guess more like if a 44D said that getting a breast reduction is wrong to a girl who is a 44F. what she's saying has merit and she has experience on this but the 44F girl probably isn't trying to really hear it.)
davisbr88 you and me are --><-- here
...and now this thread is about tittys
1st bolded: **Applause**
2nd bolded: Yep, I see what you two are saying...of course not everyone is going to want her opinion. But that's what that good ol' 'x' is for! Not directing this at you or davisbr88 (or anyone for that matter) AT ALL, but I think it's funny when people get upset/throw shade when a YouTuber does a video about something they don't want to hear. Someone else may have wanted to hear it, and even if no one wanted to hear it, it's ultimately THEIR channel, so they can say whatever they want. There are many Ytubers that express views that I do not care for, I just don't watch them. They aren't making the vids for only me.
EllePixie
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I died after the first 5 seconds. WTH is up with them shells
ETA: Love her self esteem though. Werk it!
LMMFAO at you turning this into an instance of "Say Something Nice..."
ladyviper
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Nappystorm shells are often worn by mixed people to let people know that they are mixed, it's a modern version of the feathers Native American use to wear... can't believe you've never seen this look before
I died after the first 5 seconds. WTH is up with them shells
ETA: Love her self esteem though. Werk it!
davisbr88
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I died after the first 5 seconds. WTH is up with them shells
ETA: Love her self esteem though. Werk it!
OMG. LMAO!
"You guys don't totally understand my miiiiiiindset."
Girl bye.
EllePixie
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I don't think she was saying that it doesn't exist, lol, I think she was saying that it's not heat training, simply intentional heat damage, which is a valid opinion that many people have on this board.
EllePixie
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Nappystorm shells are often worn by mixed people to let people know that they are mixed, it's a modern version of the feathers Native American use to wear... can't believe you've never seen this look before
For 1.5 seconds I thought you were serious and was going to take a walk looking for shell hair.
davisbr88
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EllePixie: Girl... I just went through and noticed all them damn typos I made. "Effect" instead of "affect." Omg... almost enough to make me cry... lmao. Changing em now!
But anyway, I see what you're saying. I was confused because I'm like... how does it not exist? If it didn't exist, there would be no term to use for your video, boo boo.
But anyway, I see what you're saying. I was confused because I'm like... how does it not exist? If it didn't exist, there would be no term to use for your video, boo boo.
davisbr88
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Myjourney2009
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I know someone that did that on here during the inception of the different hair type threads. We were told if we saw someones hair that did not match what was obvious in the thread to contact in a PM. Weelllll I did and this person was a natural 4ab and I told her her hair looked more 4a and the person said
"well since I texlaxed I dont know where I fall anymore." I wrote back with "oh I did not know you texlaxed."
erplexed I never heard from them again
I was under the impression the hair type threads were for natural non chemically or heat altered.
nappystorm
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I was being sincere. I would rather see someone with too much self esteem than not enough.
Nappystorm shells are often worn by mixed people to let people know that they are mixed, it's a modern version of the feathers Native American use to wear... can't believe you've never seen this look before
For 1.5 seconds I thought you were serious and was going to take a walk looking for shell hair.
PPGbubbles
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lol we are mad cuz she is mixed??? AND we still wouldnt like her is she was full african
She is right! I dont get her mindset AT ALL!
EllePixie
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This thread is pure hilarity to me. I truly hope that no one is at home all salty because of this...
davisbr88
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lol we are mad cuz she is mixed??? AND we still wouldnt like her is she was full african
She is right! I dont get her mindset AT ALL!
That's because it takes one to know one and obviously WE aren't ones because nobody damn sure knows anything about her nonsense. So I consider that our greatest accomplishment in this thread.
davisbr88
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Psssh... get over yourself and sprinkle some of that on your chicken dinner.
It's NEVER that serious to be stewing in Morton's.
EllePixie
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geejay
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This is the only reason I'm in this thread. How is it ok to call something a myth when there is evidence of it easily available. If she says, "heat training is not something I do to my hair" or "Heat training is not something I recommend to you. Some people have success with it, but here is why I think it's a problem...", then more power to her. But to just say that naturals should not seek to alter their pattern at all and shouldn't be concerned with straight hair...It's WAY too sweeping and authoritarian.
Yeah, yeah, it's her channel and she can talk any way she pleases. But when you publish your video and put it out there, then people get to respond to it with their opinions. And my opinion is that her criticism of "heat training" was flawed since it did not account for the different experiences, hair types and aesthetic aspirations of natural women.
As has been fiercely argued in this thread, our hair comes in a wide variety of textures, curls, kinks, densities, strands, and shrinkage. No two heads are exactly alike and no two regimens are going to be exactly alike. For many, heat training is a no-no. But as demonstrated by the experiences of women who do use heat, it can be a perfectly viable technique for some.
And for the record, I have NO interest and NO opinion about what type of hair Chime has and my opinion is not based on her appearance, but on what she actually said.
PPGbubbles
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And now...I shall be stealing that...stewing in Morton's...
Im so slow!!!!
I had to google Morton's
I get it know!
*PPG hangs her head in shame at this blonde moment*
davisbr88
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And now...I shall be stealing that...stewing in Morton's...
Some people take things so seriously... Chill damnit! Just do you - don't worry about other people. I know I don't. Maybe I don't care enough, but I sure as hell don't waste my time being salty on what someone says in a thread that may or may not be directed at me, turning my blood to broth and sh*t for nothing. I ain't risking hypertension for no LHCF. Until that $6.50 goes toward my Blue Cross Blue Shield, I'm chillin.
davisbr88
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Im so slow!!!!
I had to google Morton's
I get it know!
*PPG hangs her head in shame at this blonde moment*
It's all good, girl. As long as you're above BG logic, you're fine with me!
I concur.
I'm so mad I have to leave for a happy hour in a little while!
I'm waiting for a Morton to come up in here.
andromeda
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Thanks @Rei, especially for the bold.I don't think anyone is questioning her 4ness because of length, everyone knows type 4 hair can grow long. its just the way it acts and the (seeming) lack of significant shrinkage.
Also can I ask why suddenly being a type 3 is an insult?
damn people act like being called a type 3 is a death sentence
my issue with her is her seeming lack of significant shrinkage. Considering that is the reason why a lot of people heat train (to reduce shrinkage), it just seems kind of funny to me that she is telling others how to help a problem that she likely does not have (or at least have as bad). She can be a type 6 for all it matters to me.
Everyone is going to do them in the end, this video is not law, just her opinion (which I disagree with). Hair is dead and just decoration, like mwedzi said earlier, its ok to play with it. everything is damage. (yes theres all sorts of societal pressures behind it etc etc, but if the person knows all of this and is not ignorant about it, I don't think it is a huge deal.)
I saw this controversy coming from a mile away when I watched haircrush's first vid. I knew that her lack of shrinkage would be a source of resentment and/or curiosity - and I don't think there's anything particularly sinister about either of those feelings, esp the latter. I also noticed that she referred to herself as "natural hair guru", which is problematic when you're only dealing with you're (atypical) head of hair.
Although Andre's hair typing system has evolved (and diverged somewhat over the years), there are still conventional traits for the categories - curl/coil size (smaller than pencil), pattern (zig-zag or non-existent), texture (cottony), shrinkage (substantial).
If someone chooses to use this system to classify their hair, yet their hair *seems to* defy the key traits of the category, isn't it expected that people would be stymied? If a square has 3 sides, is it still a square, even if it calls itself such? I know it's not that simple, but hopefully that illustrates my point. If someone with tightly coiled-hair were to call themselves a type 1, should we accept that bc "they know their hair best" and "it's theirs, so they can call it what they want?".
I don't think the "oh, they just can't accept that type 4 hair grows that long" or "they're just jealous of her good hair" arguments apply to most of the people that question haircrush's type 4 classification. Nor do I think they're all trying to push her into the 3 category. They're simply saying that her hair is atypical of what is generally understood and recognized as type 4.
I personally try to avoid that hair typing at all costs, so I'm not invested (or sure) of her type 4 street cred. Based on what I've seen and what's been written here, I would describe her hair as cottony, fine strands, high porosity, minimal shrinkage, very high density, pen-sized curls/waves. If any good comes out of this thread, it will be that people start including the other more important traits mentioned - density, strand size, porousness, etc - in their concept of hair typing. I think honing on in these factors would make it much easier and more productive in understanding why hair appears, behaves, responds to certain techniques and ingredients and differs from head to head.
re: her pronouncements on heat training, based on her previous vid on why she went natural, it's obvious that she has a militant, "black and white" approach to being natural. As rei said, her opposition to ht is ironic. There are women with heat-trained hair that is still kinkier and has more shrinkage than haircrush's. And they where their in textured styles the majority of the time. As far as naturals who almost always wear their hair straightened, as someone pointed out a while ago, press-n-curl/straightened naturals were the norm before relaxers and they were never considered (by themselves or others) "natural". It's all about motivations.
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