"Should You Heat Train?" Video

[danniegirl]

Smh @ this thread. I wish I could have a wash and go like hers but i shouldn't even try because she has some special type of 4 hair that only she has. Okkk

I can't aspire to achieve what she has, I should only work with what I've got, yet our hair is in the same category? This makes absolutely no sense. Logic flawed.

My opinion - I believe theres something else to this girls story, point blank, period. I refuse to believe that even a pure 4a...ah, nevermind.

Back to real life I go.

I hate to even ask this but how old are you ....... I personally think if your smart enough to navigate around a forum you should be able to understand that no matter what you do to your hair or yourself you cannot achieve the same effect as someone else there are to Many factors involved plain and simple. Even for yourself you can do something one day and not be able to recreate it the exact same way the very next day

I think to many of "us" are making a fool out of ourselves with this hair typing mess

 

[EllePixie]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to tex-lax then get on youtube and swear they are 100% chemical free type 4bcz.... *ponders*

I would do it just to see the uproar...I would be famous!!!

You don't even have to texlax...just get on there and say you are a 3a. That'd be enough.

 

[hair4romheaven]

Boy has this place changed. Who said the hair typing system everyone is going by is the end all of hair typing. I am no guru but I can only imagine there is a dry 4a, silky 4a, coarse 4a, 4a loose coil, 4a with tighter coil etc (for argument sake) Nevertheless her hair is beautiful and if she says its type 4 its is.

 

[bronzebomb]

IMO she looks 4A/B, just very dense, very heavy hair.

Not all 4A's and 4B's look the same. In fact, I don't think there are 2 heads out there that are exactly alike.

 

[davisbr88]

Smh @ this thread. I wish I could have a wash and go like hers but i shouldn't even try because she has some special type of 4 hair that only she has. Okkk

I can't aspire to achieve what she has, I should only work with what I've got, yet our hair is in the same category? This makes absolutely no sense. Logic flawed.

My opinion - I believe theres something else to this girls story, point blank, period. I refuse to believe that even a pure 4a...ah, nevermind.

Back to real life I go.

There are many people that refuse to think that any "purebred-looking" black person with two black parents and four black grandparents, etc, should have hair any looser than type 4 or hair past SL, but it's through exposure that you learn new things. Just because it may not be as common doesn't mean it can't exist, and being on this board definitely opened up my eyes to things I didn't think were possible/true. I highly doubt that she is the ONLY person with hair like that, but we just haven't seen it often. Who knows the real deal, because none of us are on her head? But to completely rule it out as being possible seems unfair. There are too many contributing factors to make an assumption like that.

ETA: ITA with bronzebomb. I mean, a portion of her hair is straight up bald and she STILL has a lion's mane. I wouldn't have ever even known that she was bald had she not shown it. She just has a LOT of hair and you can tell it's really heavy.

 

[EllePixie]

There are many people that refuse to think that any "purebred-looking" black person with two black parents and four black grandparents, etc, should have hair any looser than type 4 or hair past SL, but it's through exposure that you learn new things. Just because it may not be as common doesn't mean it can't exist, and being on this board definitely opened up my eyes to things I didn't think were possible/true. I highly doubt that she is the ONLY person with hair like that, but we just haven't seen it often. Who knows the real deal, because none of us are on her head? But to completely rule it out as being possible seems unfair. There are too many contributing factors to make an assumption like that.

That's like the chick who commented on Himay10nence's video and said that all the black women on YT with non-"5z" hair are secretly tex-laxed...

 

[natura87]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to tex-lax then get on youtube and swear they are 100% chemical free type 4bcz.... *ponders*

I would do it just to see the uproar...I would be famous!!!

I would be surprised if someone hasnt already.

 

[davisbr88]

That's like the chick who commented on Himay10nence's video and said that all the black women on YT with non-"5z" hair are secretly tex-laxed...

-_-
It's too early for this.
I can't.

 

[EllePixie]

-_-
It's too early for this.
I can't.

Who you tellin!?!?! You know where I live, lol.

 

[davisbr88]

Who you tellin!?!?! You know where I live, lol.

Girl, yes!
I forgot about that time zone!!!

You must tell me what coffee you are using to be going so hard this early!

 

[EllePixie]

Girl, yes!
I forgot about that time zone!!!

You must tell me what coffee you are using to be going so hard this early!

The coffee is called..."Anti-Ignorance." It's a French Roast blend.

 

[davisbr88]

The coffee is called..."Anti-Ignorance." It's a French Roast blend.

Welp...

 

[bride91501]

Let me try to interject some more reason into this conversation.

I understand why her hair may confuse people. Hell, it probably confuses her just as much as it confuses us lol.

When you spend thousands of hours looking at your own head of hair, day in and day out, you may (subconsciously) fool yourself into thinking that most heads that *appear* to be similiar to yours will look, behave and respond the same way yours does. The problem with this (subconscious) conclusion is that you really only have experience with 1 head of hair only a daily basis...and that's your own. You have NO idea how someone else's hair behaves, really looks, responds to product, etc. because IT'S. NOT. YOUR. HAIR.

It's discussions like this one that remind me of how lucky I am to have 3 heads of hair other than my own to do on a regular basis My 3 DDs & I all have type 4 hair, and all four heads are VASTLY different, to the point where we each have our own unique regimens, products and techniques. If a mdwedzi, or a mook, or an elle came to live in my home, we'd then be 5 different heads of type 4 hair all behaving in very unique ways.

I actually think that hair typing can be helpful, but like everything else in life, it can't be taken too seriously. And some of ya'll take 'ish way too seriously

 

[natura87]

Let me try to interject some more reason into this conversation.

I understand why her hair may confuse people. Hell, it probably confuses her just as much as it confuses us lol.

When you spend thousands of hours looking at your own head of hair, day in and day out, you may (subconsciously) fool yourself into thinking that most heads that *appear* to be similiar to yours will look, behave and respond the same way yours does. The problem with this (subconscious) conclusion is that you really only have experience with 1 head of hair only a daily basis...and that's your own. You have NO idea how someone else's hair behaves, really looks, responds to product, etc. because IT'S. NOT. YOUR. HAIR.

It's discussions like this one that remind me of how lucky I am to have 3 heads of hair other than my own to do on a regular basis My 3 DDs & I all have type 4 hair, and all four heads are VASTLY different, to the point where we each have our own unique regimens, products and techniques. If a mdwedzi, or a mook, or an elle came to live in my home, we'd then be 5 different heads of type 4 hair all behaving in very unique ways.

I actually think that hair typing can be helpful, but like everything else in life, it can't be taken too seriously. And some of ya'll take 'ish way too seriously

I think it is hilarious that some people are questioning her 4-ness becuase of her length. I swear its like if your hair gets past your ears there has to be some sort of non black (* insert sarcasm here*) to contribute it to. Its obvious to me she isnt in the 3s and I think some people just might be jealous that her hair can do things cant. Whether it be from lack of skills, lack of hair or intentional mistyping of their hair. By saying that she is a 3b I think some 4zs might be trying to waddle their way into 4a or dare I say it 3c territory. People are reaching and are trying discredit her in any way shape or form. Regardless of her previous length when relaxed her hair natural is GORGEOUS and I think some people just cant stand it.

 

[Your Cheeziness]

Since we're extremely off topic...

GO MAVS!! #TeamDirk :blondboob

( I just found the boobie smiley yesterday so I am obligated to wear it out.)

 

[Kiki0130]

Ok then...

What is MopTop Maven's hair type?

 

[natura87]

Ok then...

What is MopTop Maven's hair type?

Blawsome.

Black and AWESOME.

 

[bride91501]

I think it is hilarious that some people are questioning her 4-ness becuase of her length. I swear its like if your hair gets past your ears there has to be some sort of non black (* insert sarcasm here*) to contribute it to. Its obvious to me she isnt in the 3s and I think some people just might be jealous that her hair can do things cant. Whether it be from lack of skills, lack of hair or intentional mistyping of their hair. By saying that she is a 3b I think some 4zs might be trying to waddle their way into 4a or dare I say it 3c territory. People are reaching and are trying discredit her in any way shape or form. Regardless of her previous length when relaxed her hair natural is GORGEOUS and I think some people just cant stand it.

Agreed.

With this in mind, for <<<ALL THE HATERS>>> let me make my proclomation NOW:

@bride91501 is on a GROWING MISSION. ya heard me??

And when this nappy-headed 4b sister gets to WL-status, I dare one-a-yas to try that "she really a 3c/3b/1z" mess with me. Cuz I'm coming for ya

 

[davisbr88]

Ok then...

What is MopTop Maven's hair type?

She's sort of an anomaly, too, but she definitely DOES have shrinkage, so I'm sure that will put some people to rest.
But IA... her hair is def blawsome.

 

[Kiki0130]

Blawsome.

Black and AWESOME.

She's sort of an anomaly, too, but she definitely DOES have shrinkage, so I'm sure that will put some people to rest.
But IA... her hair is def blawsome.

There ya go.

Her hair behaves like Chime's, IMO.

This is one of the reasons that I believe people who are
struggling with their healthy hair growth journey (relaxed
or natural) need to find a hair twin -- one whose hair
behaves similarly to their own.

Hair typing is so misunderstood that it has almost no
bearing on how to care for hair.

Level of dryness, resiliency, hair strand size, porosity...
these are mainly what I look at in determining my 'type'
in comparison to others. One of the white mom's at my
son's school has hair that behaves similarly to mine. She
noticed it and asked me about my hair.

She's doing awesome twistouts now using S-Curl No Drip
and HE LTR

 

[AmyRose92]

This thread has my had spinning in circles! Her hair is the reason why I don't believe in hair typing. How do we even know if there's a limit to hair variation if there's seems to be a practically limitless variety of type 4. Honestly, those saying that there's a limit to variations has apparently seen every head of the type 4 variety of hair in the world. Look at LongHairDontCareLLC. She has "fuzzy waves" and a month after her BC, she just threw her hands up over the whole hair typing business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FAu8C4U4cA&feature=channel_video_title

We might as well start labeling skin color (bronze, coco, coffee, coffee with milk, etc.) 'cause it sounds like hair typing is like the SOLE determinant of how hair should act when there are so many other factors as work as other members have noted time and time again in previous posts.

It seems to me that all hair typing has done is to perpetuate this superiority/inferiority complex about hair types, as in the higher you are on the list, the better/the easier your hair is or the more potential it has. It may sound a bit radical but I think hair typing should be banned in general because it just doesn't work. Chime and are BOTH type 4s but does that mean my hair will behave the same way or even in a similar way? I think not.

 

[Embyra]

Also, I'm confused as to why it's like she has mutant hair? Earlier in the thread I was told that I seem to have tight curls, ie in the 4 category no? I don't think (correct me if I am wrong b/c I rarely compare my hair to others) my wng doesn't look much different than Chime's except hers is MUCH longer than mine (one day!!!) -

I'm so confused at the disconnect?

@EllePixiemy understanding was 4 was kinky no ''obvious'' big curl i think of your hair as lush dense curly not kinky and your curls look bigger to ME than so called 4a penspring and look straw/pencil size which i read is what 3c is?........

......oh yeah please dont come for me i dont want a tongue lashing im scared jk

i prefer lorraine massey curl typing anyway

now i see she blow-dries her hair before some of her twistout i can see why there is a confusion as i did not know she used heat at all

 

[EllePixie]

@EllePixiemy understanding was 4 was kinky no ''obvious'' big curl i think of your hair as lush dense curly not kinky and your curls look bigger to ME than so called 4a penspring and look straw/pencil size which i read is what 3c is?........

......oh yeah please dont come for me i dont want a tongue lashing im scared jk

i prefer lorraine massey curl typing anyway

now i see she blow-dries her hair before some of her twistout i can see why there is a confusion as i did not know she used heat at all

Embyra you will get no tongue lashing from me! I'm just saying this is proving my point - earlier in the thread, Bella, who is one of the ladies questioning Chime, told me that I have tight curls and asked about twist outs - I assumed she was putting me in the type 4 group because she was asking for advice on how to do her type 4 hair. People have told me that my hair is 3c, 3c/4a, and 4a...oh, and nappy. So I've pretty much given up, because knowing my hair type has not been helpful to my HHJ. I agree with you, I like the Lorraine Massey system as well - using her system I can clearly see that my hair is made up of fractal and corkscrew curls because it's more about the shape of the curl rather than the curl diameter.

I just don't understand why people are in here questioning someone's head of hair with some faulty arse logic to explain their naps...

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

Boy has this place changed. Who said the hair typing system everyone is going by is the end all of hair typing. I am no guru but I can only imagine there is a dry 4a, silky 4a, coarse 4a, 4a loose coil, 4a with tighter coil etc (for argument sake) Nevertheless her hair is beautiful and if she says its type 4 its is.

daummm, a dry 4a

 

[Embyra]

@Embyra you will get no tongue lashing from me! I'm just saying this is proving my point - earlier in the thread, Bella, who is one of the ladies questioning Chime, told me that I have tight curls and asked about twist outs - I assumed she was putting me in the type 4 group because she was asking for advice on how to do her type 4 hair. People have told me that my hair is 3c, 3c/4a, and 4a...oh, and nappy. So I've pretty much given up, because knowing my hair type has not been helpful to my HHJ. I agree with you, I like the Lorraine Massey system as well - using her system I can clearly see that my hair is made up of fractal and corkscrew curls because it's more about the shape of the curl rather than the curl diameter.

aaahhhhh i see i see just went back and saw the statement about you having tight curls the red wine last night must have blurred my vision

yeah im corkscrew and fractal as well i actually see more helpful tips and what not with her curl guide that helped me rather than andre which left me dazed and confused lool so um yah i officially leave 1-4 andre typing here lool

 

[theAlist]

MoptopMaven doesn't "type" her hair.

One of the main reasons I despise hair typing is because I feel in certain ways it contributes to the growing disconnect amongst African American women.

I agree with her. She does say that her hair is very textured without curls. She wears her hair in twist outs or braidouts all of the time, similar to Chime. The big difference here is Moptop uses heat pretty often I think she could be considered 'heat trained'

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to tex-lax then get on youtube and swear they are 100% chemical free type 4bcz.... *ponders*

I would do it just to see the uproar...I would be famous!!!

bet i know what you're thinking

 

[EllePixie]

aaahhhhh i see i see just went back and saw the statement about you having tight curls the red wine last night must have blurred my vision

yeah im corkscrew and fractal as well i actually see more helpful tips and what not with her curl guide that helped me rather than andre which left me dazed and confused lool so um yah i officially leave 1-4 andre typing here lool

Yep yep! Agree completely. That shiz doesn't make any dang sense...and that is CLEARLY DISPLAYED in this thread!

 

[pookaloo83]

Moptopmaven is heat damaged IMO. I think she even made a thread and said that there was a possibility that she was. She doesn't use heat now though. Just mainly twistouts. But she straightened with a straightening comb I believe monthly or bi weekly. Then repeated the process. I remember because I saw it on her fotki.

 

[Rei]

I think it is hilarious that some people are questioning her 4-ness becuase of her length. I swear its like if your hair gets past your ears there has to be some sort of non black (* insert sarcasm here*) to contribute it to. Its obvious to me she isnt in the 3s and I think some people just might be jealous that her hair can do things cant. Whether it be from lack of skills, lack of hair or intentional mistyping of their hair. By saying that she is a 3b I think some 4zs might be trying to waddle their way into 4a or dare I say it 3c territory. People are reaching and are trying discredit her in any way shape or form. Regardless of her previous length when relaxed her hair natural is GORGEOUS and I think some people just cant stand it.

I don't think anyone is questioning her 4ness because of length, everyone knows type 4 hair can grow long. its just the way it acts and the (seeming) lack of significant shrinkage.


Also can I ask why suddenly being a type 3 is an insult? I mean, whether she is 3 or 4, its still kinky and not as easy to manage as say, a type 1. isn't that what this board is about?

damn people act like being called a type 3 is a death sentence

my issue with her is her seeming lack of significant shrinkage. Considering that is the reason why a lot of people heat train (to reduce shrinkage), it just seems kind of funny to me that she is telling others how to help a problem that she likely does not have (or at least have as bad). She can be a type 6 for all it matters to me.

Everyone is going to do them in the end, this video is not law, just her opinion (which I disagree with). Hair is dead and just decoration, like mwedzi said earlier, its ok to play with it. everything is damage. (yes theres all sorts of societal pressures behind it etc etc, but if the person knows all of this and is not ignorant about it, I don't think it is a huge deal.)