Leaving in conditioners that aren't meant to be left in.

[Vshanell]

Which lustrasilk cholesterol are you using? because the olive oil one says to leave it in. I was thinking about leaving in the others ones like shea butter cholesterol because they have the same exact ingredients in the olive oil and shea butter one.

Thanks for posting this. I had no idea there was a cholesterol you could leave in. I happened to run across this in the bss when looking for the mango one. I'm gonna see if it compares to that one at all. So the mango one has the same ingredients as the olive oil one?

 

[Lola Laughs]

The "good" alcohols are fatty alchols that are used as emulsifiers.

Oil + water doesn't mix alone. That's the main reason to use something like cetyl alcohol. It binds the water and oils together and provides some conditioning and slip as well on it's own.

Please also note that Kinky curly Knot today has cetyl alcohol. Very high on the list after the plant extracts used in the product too actually.

Just because it's called alcohol doesn't mean that all alcohols are the same. If it was drying then 90% of the conditioners out there from natural and regular commercial companies would make our hair fall out. lol

Karens body beautiful uses Vegetable Wax as it's emulsifier. If you have any type of conditioner, you need an emulsifier.

Also, Vegetable emulsifying wax tends to be a MIX of ceteryl alcohol and other ingredients.

http://feelgoodstyle.com/2009/05/27/vegetable-emulsifying-wax-not-as-natural-as-it-sounds/

http://chemicaloftheday.squarespace.com/todays-chemical/2009/1/17/vegetable-emulsifying-wax-nf.html

ETA; I don't want to seem like I'm raving about using conditioner over leave in. Do what works for you. I've done lots of research on this stuff, so sometimes my figers get to clicktey clacking before I realize it. It's just that cetyl, cetearyl alcohol and stearyl alcohols are not bad for the hair at all, left in or rinsed out. (there are more fatty alcohols, but I only really see those 3 in hair products)

^^Totally agree. It all comes down to the ingredients, and a lot of good moisturizers, leave-ins and rinse outs (including TJ Nourish Spa which I can't live without) have cetyl or stearyl, and they are not ingredients to be afraid of leaving in.
While there are some conditioners that should be used according to the instructions on the bottle, i think a lot of it is marketing hype so you'll buy a manufacturer's leave-in, wash-out, dc and moisturizer when all are essentially the same just less/more concentrated as JJamiah stated. But again, you have to do what's best for you.

 

[mzsophisticated26]

When I got my hair done over the weekend at the stylist at JCPenneys told me this also. She said that you will get tons of build up and also it does not open the cuticle up to get conditioning properties. She also said that is why its best to shampoo first then condition. I never use rinse out cond on my entire head only my nape and edges because it seemed to helped them grow in.

 

[LadyRaider]

When I got my hair done over the weekend at the stylist at JCPenneys told me this also. She said that you will get tons of build up and also it does not open the cuticle up to get conditioning properties. She also said that is why its best to shampoo first then condition. I never use rinse out cond on my entire head only my nape and edges because it seemed to helped them grow in.

This statement is worth a thread on its own. Is this true? You have to shampoo first to get the effects of the conditioning?

 

[Neith]

This statement is worth a thread on its own. Is this true? You have to shampoo first to get the effects of the conditioning?

I could see how it could help the conditioner to penetrate better.

Water opens up the cuticle slightly. Shampoo removes oils, dirt and other gook from the hairshaft.

but plenty of people DC on dry hair too. IMO it isn't a necessity to shampoo first... but it is logical to think that it'd take better on clean hair than "dirty" hair though.

What I don't get is why regular conditioner would cause some sort of horrible build up that leave-ins wont. Leave ins tend to be lighter, but there are plenty of thick, creamy leave ins too.

Especially if you regularly shampoo your hair... don't see how it's so much of a bigger problem than any other kind of build up.

 

[dancinstallion]

Thanks for posting this. I had no idea there was a cholesterol you could leave in. I happened to run across this in the bss when looking for the mango one. I'm gonna see if it compares to that one at all. So the mango one has the same ingredients as the olive oil one?

Exactly the same

Olive oil cholesterol -
water(Aqua), stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl alcohol, Olive(olea Europaea fruit oil), Cholesterol, Soybean (Glycine Soja) oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) oil, Wheat Germ (Triticum Vulgare) oil, Aloe Vera(Aloe barbadensis) Extract, fragrance(parfum) Vitamin E( Tovopherol Acetate), Methyl paraben, Propyl paraben, Phosphoric acid, Dmdm hydantoin, Disodium edta, yellow#5(Cl 19140) Blue#1 (42090)


Shea butter cholesterol -
water(Aqua), stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl alcohol, Shea butter(parki) mango butter, Cholesterol, Soybean (Glycine Soja) oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) oil, Wheat Germ (Triticum Vulgare) oil, Aloe Vera(Aloe barbadensis) Extract, fragrance(parfum) Vitamin E( Tovopherol Acetate), Methyl paraben, Propyl paraben, Phosphoric acid, Dmdm hydantoin, Disodium edta, yellow#5, yellow# 6

and it is okay to put pure shea butter in your hair so I don't see why you can't leave in the shea butter mango. I have both and always use the olive oil, as a leave in, I like the jojob/placenta and the tea tree cholesterol too. But i rinse those out.

 

[dancinstallion]

I could see how it could help the conditioner to penetrate better.

Water opens up the cuticle slightly. Shampoo removes oils, dirt and other gook from the hairshaft.

but plenty of people DC on dry hair too. IMO it isn't a necessity to shampoo first... but it is logical to think that it'd take better on clean hair than "dirty" hair though.

What I don't get is why regular conditioner would cause some sort of horrible build up that leave-ins wont. Leave ins tend to be lighter, but there are plenty of thick, creamy leave ins too.

Especially if you regularly shampoo your hair... don't see how it's so much of a bigger problem than any other kind of build up.

I agree. I think alot of people don't regularly shampoo. I think they cowash and that's why they get buildup. I know my hair doesn't get clean with just a cowash because I put to many things in my hair. So I need to shampoo to clean it.
Correct me if I am wrong about the cowashing and build up for some ladies.

 

[mzsophisticated26]

I could see how it could help the conditioner to penetrate better.

Water opens up the cuticle slightly. Shampoo removes oils, dirt and other gook from the hairshaft.

but plenty of people DC on dry hair too. IMO it isn't a necessity to shampoo first... but it is logical to think that it'd take better on clean hair than "dirty" hair though.

What I don't get is why regular conditioner would cause some sort of horrible build up that leave-ins wont. Leave ins tend to be lighter, but there are plenty of thick, creamy leave ins too.

Especially if you regularly shampoo your hair... don't see how it's so much of a bigger problem than any other kind of build up.

thanks, this is what I was thinking too. we were having a discussion about condition washing because I said I wanted to start doing that atleast once a week to help me with transitioning. I wash with shampoo weekly so it wont be a problem for me

 

[Vshanell]

Exactly the same

Olive oil cholesterol -
water(Aqua), stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl alcohol, Olive(olea Europaea fruit oil), Cholesterol, Soybean (Glycine Soja) oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) oil, Wheat Germ (Triticum Vulgare) oil, Aloe Vera(Aloe barbadensis) Extract, fragrance(parfum) Vitamin E( Tovopherol Acetate), Methyl paraben, Propyl paraben, Phosphoric acid, Dmdm hydantoin, Disodium edta, yellow#5(Cl 19140) Blue#1 (42090)


Shea butter cholesterol -
water(Aqua), stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl alcohol, Shea butter(parki) mango butter, Cholesterol, Soybean (Glycine Soja) oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) oil, Wheat Germ (Triticum Vulgare) oil, Aloe Vera(Aloe barbadensis) Extract, fragrance(parfum) Vitamin E( Tovopherol Acetate), Methyl paraben, Propyl paraben, Phosphoric acid, Dmdm hydantoin, Disodium edta, yellow#5, yellow# 6

and it is okay to put pure shea butter in your hair so I don't see why you can't leave in the shea butter mango. I have both and always use the olive oil, as a leave in, I like the jojob/placenta and the tea tree cholesterol too. But i rinse those out.

WOW! That seals it for me, I'm definitely gonna keep using the shea mango as a leave-in. I bought the olive oil one now though.....hopefully that will be just as good.

 

[Vshanell]

This statement is worth a thread on its own. Is this true? You have to shampoo first to get the effects of the conditioning?

I always shampoo first because I want to get the full effects of the conditioner. I could never get with the dc'ing on dirty hair thing, however I love dc'ing on dry hair but I always shampoo first.

I agree about the cuticle not being open for the conditioner if you don't shampoo first.

 

[divachyk]

WOW! That seals it for me, I'm definitely gonna keep using the shea mango as a leave-in. I bought the olive oil one now though.....hopefully that will be just as good.

do you just apply this like any other moisturizer? i actually DC with lustrasilk shea/mango butter but never thought about using it as a leave-in. do you use it as a leave-in on wash days only or do you also use it during your m&s process?

 

[Priss Pot]

Using regular conditioners as leave-ins work wonders for me and my hair. My favs are:

Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
Jessicurl Too Shea
Kenra MC
Elucence Moisture Balancing

I've never had any issues with them, but this is just what works for me.

 

[AKA-Tude]

^^^^ Agreed!

I have been using
the Lustrasilk Shea Mango/veggie oil
(Thanx Pokahontas)
and VO5 Condish/veggie oil over the summer-
has worked wonders since going curly!

Makes my curls pop!!

@ Priss Pot- Loving the look!!

 

[ebonylocs]

Leaving in wash-out conditioners doesn't work for me when I'm relaxed, but that's because of my thin strands. It makes the strands feel coated, stiff, and brittle. However it worked on my natural hair, and I know that it works for a lot of the coarser stranded ladies on here. So strand thickness has a lot to do with it.

I don't think we can assume that because a manufacturer says something should be washed out that there is a "reason" for it, and it's bad to leave in. Many people on hair boards have found ways that manufacturers never intended of making products work for them. A lot of it is marketing and packaging, and when you look at the ingredients in the leaven ins and the conditioners, it's nearly the same, just different concentrations. Sooo, in my book all that counts is what the ingredients are and if it works for you, not if it's labelled leave-in or wash out.

 

[Vshanell]

do you just apply this like any other moisturizer? i actually DC with lustrasilk shea/mango butter but never thought about using it as a leave-in. do you use it as a leave-in on wash days only or do you also use it during your m&s process?

I use it as a styler for my wash n' go's on wash day only. What is m&s process?

 

[LaFemmeNaturelle]

I use it as a styler for my wash n' go's on wash day only. What is m&s process?

M&S is moisturize and seal so when people use a "moisturizer" and seal it in with an oil...which I guess most hairboard ladies do that daily or every other day.

 

[toinette]

i used to do this back in the day before I relaxed. When i moved to Haiti at 15 I was in braids and i didnt go with any actual hair products except braid spray. When I took the braids out I went to the grocery store and I saw some Klorane products. One was Safflower Oil Conditioner, Repairing and Detangling Balm, Permed or Straightened Hair 5 and the other was Softening and Detangling Balm with Oat Milk, All Hair Types. I took both, mixed them with a huge jar of Vaseline and some of my John Freida Frizz-Ease Conditioner (the one that used to come in the metal tube circa 1999) and that was my moisturizer for both my hair AND my scalp for the almost two years I stayed in Haiti. My mom put the braids in mostly cause a lot of my hair had broken off from using Ginseng Miracle products and at the end of the first year that i was there (and after about maybe 8 months of using the vaseline/conditioner combo) my hair looked soooo much better and was thriving. Now i dont know if it was because I greased, moisturized and plaited my hair nightly or if it was specifically due to the mix I was using but what i can say is that my hair was NEVER dry and i had ZERO split ends. I never even know what split ends were until i became relaxed. I legit thought that it was something that only white people got. I am so glad i saw this post cause for years ll i could remember about the two products were that they were the same exact line and that one of them was made with safflower oil but i never remembered the name. I'll have to hunt these down now that i am thinking of transitioning to natural hair

 

[Vshanell]

M&S is moisturize and seal so when people use a "moisturizer" and seal it in with an oil...which I guess most hairboard ladies do that daily or every other day.

Gosh, I have been out of the hair section way too long. Thanks, I had never seen that abbreviation.

 

[Kimiche]

I tried doing this last week with some 'Yes To Cucumbers' daily conditioner, not the leave-in. I ended up buying the daily conditioner because I wanted to find the leave-in, but they didn't have it at Walgreens. I heard that the leave-in and reg. conditioner have the same ingredients anyhow, so I said what the heck. I put some in and sealed my hair with JBCO and went on my way to work.

By the end of the day, my hair felt dry as a desert. I ended up washing it out when I got home. I say do whatever works. If it had worked out for me, then I would've continued using it. I understand why the directions say to wash out after 2 minutes. I'll stick with leave-ins and daily moisturizers.

 

[Vshanell]

I tried doing this last week with some 'Yes To Cucumbers' daily conditioner, not the leave-in. I ended up buying the daily conditioner because I wanted to find the leave-in, but they didn't have it at Walgreens. I heard that the leave-in and reg. conditioner have the same ingredients anyhow, so I said what the heck. I put some in and sealed my hair with JBCO and went on my way to work.

By the end of the day, my hair felt dry as a desert. I ended up washing it out when I got home. I say do whatever works. If it had worked out for me, then I would've continued using it. I understand why the directions say to wash out after 2 minutes. I'll stick with leave-ins and daily moisturizers.

I didn't even know they had a YTC leave-in until a few weeks ago. I'm a huge Yes To Carrots fan but as a leave-in I don't get anything special....actually most conditioners that are meant to be washed out leave my hair dry and somewhat crunchy depending on the conditioner so I have to be choosy with them. This is the reason why I tend to use them more as stylers (like the Tightly Curly method), they give my hair a slight hold but not much moisture I can speak of.

 

[Kimiche]

I didn't even know they had a YTC leave-in until a few weeks ago. I'm a huge Yes To Carrots fan but as a leave-in I don't get anything special....actually most conditioners that are meant to be washed out leave my hair dry and somewhat crunchy depending on the conditioner so I have to be choosy with them. This is the reason why I tend to use them more as stylers (like the Tightly Curly method), they give my hair a slight hold but not much moisture I can speak of.

I was able to get my hands on the 'Yes To Cucumbers' leave-in today, so I will try it out soon, maybe on the weekend. I am trying to find my staple daily moisturizer, so lately I have been buying a lot of products to try out for my daily use. So far I haven't had much luck, but hopefully I'll have some luck with either the 'Yes To Cucumbers' or the Shea Moisture Leave-In (not the Target Shea Moisture).

I feel you on some of the conditioners giving slight hold instead of moisture, that's exactly what that conditioner was doing for me. I also noticed that my scalp in the nape area was starting to hurt when I used that conditioner, that's another reason why I got to washing it out as soon as I got home.

 

[Tiye]

^^Totally agree. It all comes down to the ingredients, and a lot of good moisturizers, leave-ins and rinse outs (including TJ Nourish Spa which I can't live without) have cetyl or stearyl, and they are not ingredients to be afraid of leaving in.
While there are some conditioners that should be used according to the instructions on the bottle, i think a lot of it is marketing hype so you'll buy a manufacturer's leave-in, wash-out, dc and moisturizer when all are essentially the same just less/more concentrated as JJamiah stated. But again, you have to do what's best for you.

Yep. We can read labels - it's the same thing.

My leave in is aveda scalp benefits diluted in a spray bottle. I haven't found anything better in many years of searching. Also figured this out after years of trying to make their official leave in the elixir work for me (it's now discontinued) but it was no good at all.

 

[KimPossibli]

I'm going to use my phytokarite in this method