Leaving in conditioners that aren't meant to be left in.

[LadyRaider]

The few times I left conditioner in my hair my hair just felt icky. My hair is fine to medium. I have always thought that texture is probably more important to styling product choices than curl type.


Is there anyone who has fine hair that conditioners as leave-in has worked for?

 

[dynamic1]

For me, it depends on the conditioner. I primarily use leave-ins, but some diluted conditioner works in a pinch. I don't leave in conditioner containing cones, drying alcohols, 2 much protein, polyquats, and sodium chloride.

 

[Chaosbutterfly]

I only use stuff marked as leave-in conditioner as a leave-in. I was alternating between diluted hello hydration and diluted nexxus humectress for leave-in, but my hair always felt waxy after a few washes, so I learned not to do that anymore.

But everyone's hair is different, and quite obviously, lustrasilk isn't hurting you at all. Look at all your gorgeous hair. If it's been working for you, then why create problems by stopping?

 

[vainღ♥♡jane]

well i like kimmay, but i won't be taking anyone's word as gospel before listening to my own hair. if my hair starts to break and i know my moisture/protein balance is on point, then i'll know what the culprit is. ♥

 

[VirtuousBeauty]

Wouldn't there be less breakage issues if the conditioner is organic without the chemicals?

 

[Duff]

I have fine soft textured hair and I use regular conditioners as a leave in as well. I have yet to find a 'leave in' conditioner that I love for my hair. I dont have splits and NO breakage. my fine hair is prone to shedding but that has lessened as well.

but I will be trying her recipe as well. I have all the products that I want to use incl the knot today (even though I'm not sure if that is the leave in I will use. I have giovanni leave in too)

 

[*CherryPie*]

Nexxus Humectress IS a leave-in AND a rinse out. It says so on the bottle. So it's fine to leave Humectress in.

I only use stuff marked as leave-in conditioner as a leave-in. I was alternating between diluted hello hydration and diluted nexxus humectress for leave-in, but my hair always felt waxy after a few washes, so I learned not to do that anymore.

But everyone's hair is different, and quite obviously, lustrasilk isn't hurting you at all. Look at all your gorgeous hair. If it's been working for you, then why create problems by stopping?

 

[czyfaith77]

You've read my mind. I didn't read anything about this I've just realized I've been stuck at this near WL length and wondering what's been different and I had an ah-ha moment! I was actually thinking about this last night and decided to go back to what I was doing when I was transitioning and newly natural.

As soon as I go back to my curls next week I'm going to go back to Giovanni Direct Leave in and my Sunsilk leave in's and trying to use lighter-weight conditioners.

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[ms.blue]

well i like kimmay, but i won't be taking anyone's word as gospel before listening to my own hair. if my hair starts to break and i know my moisture/protein balance is on point, then i'll know what the culprit is. ♥

I agree b/c what works for you may not work for another person heair even with the same hair type. Everyone's hair is different.

 

[Prettyeyes]

I like regular conditioner and have not noticed any breakage, but to each her own. HHG Poka! I am sure you will make the right choice!

 

[divachyk]

I tried HE LTR condish (the actual conditioner, not the leave-in split ends corrector) as a leave-in once and my hair felt coarse with buildup. Should I have diluted it OR should I have used HE HH instead?

 

[dancinstallion]

I think I'm done with this. One of Kimmaytube's video's reminded me how I was always so against this. It was one of those things that I started doing because everyone else was doing it.

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it, it's just something that I don't think I will continue doing because I was always against it (even before hair boards) so there must've been reason for it. This means I will have to give up my beloved Lustrasilk Cholesterol which gives me the perfect wash n' go everytime.

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Which lustrasilk cholesterol are you using? because the olive oil one says to leave it in. I was thinking about leaving in the others ones like shea butter cholesterol because they have the same exact ingredients in the olive oil and shea butter one.

 

[CurlyMoo]

Doesn't the breakage from usuing regular conditioner as a leave-in stem from lack of moisuture? If I don't add moisture and oil to my hair after I put the conditioner in and later it will feel dry. But once I add the oil and water it's back to feeling moisturized. But I do agree just leaving in normal conditioner can be very drying.

 

[Bublin]

This is one of those "Teachable Moments" where Listening to your Hair is Invaluable.

IK for me personally, my hair would not/could not 'tolerate' using Conditioner as a leave-in. It's already too weak/fragile. And I think personally, for me, it would cause me problems.erplexed

I prefer creamy leave-ins. Some are heavier than others, but they currently work well on my hair and I have a good assortment of those to choose from.

To me, it is one of those things where knowing your own hair and what it can & cannot tolerate will heap benefits. e.g. heat/no heat, stretching/no stretching, combing brushing/no combing & brushing, protein/no protein..........etc.....

Personal preferences

What creamy leave-ins are you using?

 

[Vshanell]

I still do not understand how conditioner is going to cause anyone breakage or splits unless the one you are using dries your hair out and then that would mean it is not the brand for you.
In regards to splits and breakage, I would be more concerned about what I am combing my hair with, how I am combing my hair, the amount of heat I am using, if I am using a brush on my hair, etc.

IMO it's a rinse out conditioner so there must be something in it that isn't meant to be left in which could be damaging. I get splits from doing nothing so it would be easy for something to make them worse. My hair is very split prone. I do use seamless combs now which was one step to being extra extra careful with my fine hair. One step at a time and i hope to slowly see improvement.

Wouldn't there be less breakage issues if the conditioner is organic without the chemicals?

I would definitely think so. I don't worry about rinsing organic/natural stuff out because there's nothing in there to do harm.

Which lustrasilk cholesterol are you using? because the olive oil one says to leave it in. I was thinking about leaving in the others ones like shea butter cholesterol because they have the same exact ingredients in the olive oil and shea butter one.

The Shea Butter Mango one.


Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I'm thinking I may just keep using the cholesterol but no other rinse-outs. I'll be keeping a close eye on my hair.

 

[FlowerHair]

Do what's best for you Pokahontas. Everyone's hair is different. Leaving regular conditioner in my hair is the best thing I have ever done for my hair. I've been leaving regular conditioner in my hair since 2007 and my hair has grown and retained a lot of length. My hair is thick with thick coarse strands though. Leave in conditioner is too light for me but I'm sure it works great for those with finer hair.

Yes, I think it has a lot to do with hair texture.
My hair needs heavier stuff too.

 

[charmtreese]

I have fine fragile strands and I use Joico silk results conditioner for fine/normal hair. This has been the best moisturizer for my hair EVER!! However, I normally concentrate most of it on the ng, I place less on my ends!

 

[Curlykale]

For me leaving the conditioner in works only if:

- there are no bad ingredients (i.e. sodium chloride or alcohol = breakage after a while)
- I keep the moisture / protein level balanced. If I use conditioner insted of a leave-in I feel I need to do light protein treatments
- there are no butters or cones in it: seeing as I moisturize daily they give me a build up that I cannot remove with a non sulfate shampoo.

Not all conditioners are the same, though. Some are too moisturizing and some are lighter on my hair. When my hair gets limp or mushy with just 1 use I avoid that conditioner. Many commercial leave ins have more cones than their correspondent regular conditioner where I live (not in the US), maybe to make your hair look better, which I don't like. Giovanni direct leave-in has a small amount of protein which probably keeps your hair balanced.

Maybe if you hair feels "soft but strong" all the time it means you're doing the right thing with products. In trying to tame my curls I have often overmoisturized it, which was a mistake.

 

[IDareT'sHair]

What creamy leave-ins are you using?

Salerm 21 B5, Alba Botanica Leave-In, Alter Ego Nourish Spa Nova-Care, BBD Stretch, Aveda Universal Styling Cream, Aubrey Organics Calugula Fern, AG Fast Food Leave-In, Pureology Leave-In *thanks Cream Tee*my "product" Idol

I have a few others, but I always opt for the creamy ones because I have dry-hair. I may re-post if I can think of those.

The heavier/creamier ones work best for me as oppose to the watery-spritzy kind.

There's a what type of Leave-In Thread. Imma see if I can find it and bump it.

 

[greight]

I tried co-washing and leaving the conditioner (VO5) in... DID NOT WORK FOR ME. Absolutely HATED IT. Dry hair made worse. Only thing that was good to me was Lustrasilks Shea/Mango, but they changed the formula and it sucked for me after I used the new tub.

I may try to revisit since I have my porosity under control. But I'm not yet tempted to go back there again right now

Giovanni Direct Leave In works great for me, btw.

 

[NikStarrr]

I stopped leaving regular conditioners in a little while ago. I'd only tried it a few times anyway. Usually, the 2nd or 3rd ingredient is an alcohol, and though they are usually the supposed "good" alcohols, I just don't buy it. To me it's okay to use them as they are meant to be used, but I wouldn't let it sit on my hair indefinitely. There is a reason that companies were inspired to create "alcohol-free" styling products. Not to mention, all of the highly touted "natural" hair companies (Oyin, Kinky Curly, Karens, etc.)--none of them use any alcohols in their STYLING products. There's gotta be a reason for that, and the fact they are so popular. I emphasized "styling" because the true intent of those is to leave on the hair. So that's why I don't do it personally. Ultimately, every person has to do what's been best for their own hair.

ETA: I've seen a major difference in my hair from using as natural of products possible for styling, i.e. shea butter blends, oils, etc. The only product I use that has ingredients that may be hard to pronounce (haha) is Fantasia IC. Other than that all natural. I don't mind using commercial conditioners as they are meant to be used because they are ultimately rinsed out.

 

[Janet']

Years ago, when I left cholesterol conditioner as a leave-in it broke my hair off and I haven't tried it since...

 

[Neith]

The "good" alcohols are fatty alchols that are used as emulsifiers.

Oil + water doesn't mix alone. That's the main reason to use something like cetyl alcohol. It binds the water and oils together and provides some conditioning and slip as well on it's own.

Please also note that Kinky curly Knot today has cetyl alcohol. Very high on the list after the plant extracts used in the product too actually.

Just because it's called alcohol doesn't mean that all alcohols are the same. If it was drying then 90% of the conditioners out there from natural and regular commercial companies would make our hair fall out. lol

Karens body beautiful uses Vegetable Wax as it's emulsifier. If you have any type of conditioner, you need an emulsifier.

Also, Vegetable emulsifying wax tends to be a MIX of ceteryl alcohol and other ingredients.

http://feelgoodstyle.com/2009/05/27/vegetable-emulsifying-wax-not-as-natural-as-it-sounds/

http://chemicaloftheday.squarespace.com/todays-chemical/2009/1/17/vegetable-emulsifying-wax-nf.html

ETA; I don't want to seem like I'm raving about using conditioner over leave in. Do what works for you. I've done lots of research on this stuff, so sometimes my figers get to clicktey clacking before I realize it. It's just that cetyl, cetearyl alcohol and stearyl alcohols are not bad for the hair at all, left in or rinsed out. (there are more fatty alcohols, but I only really see those 3 in hair products)

 

[dancinstallion]

I just added raw shea butter to my Lustrasilk olive oil cholesterol. It is the same thing as using the shea butter cholesterol with out the mango. So I don't see why I can't use the shea butter mango as a leave in. I beleive it is okay as a leave in But I was just so scared to leave it in when they say to rinse it out. I will try my shea butter mango cholesterol as a leave in too. I was on the fence about leaving that in but I think it is a mind thing with me.

 

[ChristmasCarol]

I only use conditioner as a leave-in. I don't use any other products on my hair and it is thriving. I haven't experienced any adverse effects, so it makes no sense to change my reggie. I have normal/coarse strands.

I'm part of the Borg - I just do what Celina and FlowerHair do.

 

[jwhitley6]

Wow...I've been thinking about this recently! I'm in a hot and extremely humid climate and I wonder if I'm basically deep conditioning with heat and steam every day when I leave in rinse-out conditioner. My hair doesn't seem to hold moisture like it should and my ends are not happy. Maybe I should just use true leave-ins and natural oils....hmmm.:scratchch

 

[suburbanbushbabe]

My hair is fine and porous and I love to leave certain conditioners in (see list below). Things like Lustrasilk I have to thin down. But my hair loves certain conditioners as leave ins -- as long as I overlay the ends with castor oil or a butter type product (shea butter, Burdock Root Butter Cream, Jane Carter Nourish and Shine, Hairveda Almond Glaze, etc.) It's not the conditioner that's breaking off the ends, it's just that my ends need an extra hit of some butter or grease; they are quite fragile.

Loma Pearatin Nourishing Moisturizer
Loma Pearatin Daily Hydrating Reconstructor (my hair loves the Lomas)
Mop Top Daily Conditioner
John Masters Organics Citrus & Neroli (I only use this as a leave in now)
Abba Pure Gentle
EO Rose Chamomile

I can see why Kimmaytube mixes her Knot Today with AV and 2 oils. It's not moisturizing enough on its own.

 

[Vashti]

I use HE Hello Hydration as an overnight leave-in but I only do this once a week and rinse it out the next morning. So far my hair seems to like it.

 

[dancinstallion]

I only use conditioner as a leave-in. I don't use any other products on my hair and it is thriving. I haven't experienced any adverse effects, so it makes no sense to change my reggie. I have normal/coarse strands.

I'm part of the Borg - I just do what Celina and FlowerHair do.

What conditioners are you using?

 

[AKA-Tude]

Ok-
See this is why I stay out of the Hair Forum-











I dun gone out & bought some

Lustrasilk Cholesterol
Shea Butter Mango...

Dang, dang, dangity, dang it!!!


I do Zumba 2X a day,
so I ain't doin this hair erry day!!

It still curls up when wet
(in spite of the relaxer)
so I welcome the break from
the curling iron heat!

Lookin' forward to trying this-
I need thick creams-
no light, watery stuff.

**Thanx Poki!!**