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Supergirl said:
I want to share some possible solutions.


To the A+ Haircare Queens:
This thread is more for someone who for the most part has healthy hair care habits, but you still run into an occassional problem which usually results in you saying something like this: "I am getting more breakage than I'm used to." OR "I am getting more breakage than I'm comfortable with." OR "I am getting more breakage than I usually get since I've started taking better care of my hair." If one of these statements describes you, then read on my dear.



Okay, to the A+ Haircare Queens, possible reasons for your breakage:

*one bad trip to the salon
*one bad trip to yourself :D
*good regimen, but with low quality hair products
*inconsistency or slacking in your regimen
*shampooing too often with drying shampoos
*build up on your hair

I'm sure there are other reasons that I didn't think of. I also didn't mention seasonal shedding because that's normal and natural. But you may have clicked on this thread because you are perceiving your seasonal shedding as something to get nervous about.

Possible solutions

Solution A: Start with a clarifying shampoo. I mean a real clarifying shampoo, not a shampoo that you use as your clarifying shampoo. Actual clarifying shampoos have ingredients in them that will specifically remove build up from your hair. Your other shampoo may just be a stripping shampoo, but you could still have that build up. I usually don't know that I need to clarify until I'm trying to rinse a conditioner from my hair that usually detangles very well, but it won't detangle. OR--sometimes I know before that if I'm experiencing breakage.

After your clarifying session (lather 2X if you deem it necessary) rinse well and follow with a moisturizing shampoo. I do not recommend Cream of Nature shampoo as it will instantly add build up right back to your hair. After your moisturizing shampoo, continue on with one of your favorite quality moisturizing conditioners. Follow on with what you would normally do after applying a moisturizing conditioner. Air dry or rollerset. Heat is forbidden at this point. We are trying to make your hair better. When your hair is dry, moisturize it with an oil or other moisturizing product that you like. From this point on, everyday you need to moisturize your hair twice daily. No shampoo of any sort for 2 weeks--conditioner only. I do not recommend daily conditioner washes. 1-3/week. After 2 weeks, you may use a moisturizing shampoo if you are feeling that you really need shampoo after 2 weeks of no 'poo, BUT dilute your moisturizing shampoo with water. Hopefully, by this time--you have seen some improvement in your hair. If not, read on------->
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I appreciate all of information and I want to thank u. I'm nervous about purchasing anymore products because I am a product HOUND. I have wayyyyy too much stuff. I began a new hair regimen about 2 weeks ago and I've been wearing my hair up until today so I wasn't sure of its condition until today. Anyway, you mentioned shedding (seasonal). That seems to be my problem. I get a little bit of breakage too but again my moisture regimen is only 2 weeks old. I need some help with the shedding. The strands are long and they have the little bulb on the end. I have fine to medium textured strands so each strand of hair is valuable to me. HELP! Is there anything I can do to reduce the shedding? Its not overwhelming but its enough to be noticeable. When I got my Affirm relaxer last week, the stylist even commented about my shedding.Here is my regimen.Shampoo: every 3 days with Elasta QP for relaxed hairDeep conditioner treatment: every 3 days - Avalon Peppermint cond combined with Elasta Protein Serum, and Elasta DPR11 conditioner.I combine all three because they each give me what I need.Moisturize with 1 of these: Olive Oil by ORS, Elasta QP recovery moisturizer, and just bought Neutrogena Triple Moisturizer the other day. I do moisturize daily (morn and night)Style: Elasta QP H2 spray on leave in, Elasta QP Design Foam, comb hair straight back and tie with wrap strips for smooth dry. I let it air dry at that point.I'm afraid to use a clarifying shampoo because I believe my hair may still be needing more moisture for a while before I go there but I'm not sure.ADVICE/SUGGESTIONS?Goal: take chin length bob to even neck length bob by Christmas. HEALTHY, SHINY, AND FULL.
 
Darn darn darn! I've been trying to find this stuff for two weeks, today I finally went to Ulta and voila! I was confused as there was the Rose H20 (which I CLEARLY remember) then there was an Intense night-time. I read the backs of both and the top ingredients were exactly the same and then they veered off toward the middle. So, I bought the rose only to find out, I should have bought the Intense!:wallbash: The one I bought is just a conditioning headdress.:( I have had a LOT of little hairs breaking all over the friggin' place and thought this would be over and now I have to wait another week before I have time to get to the store. More breakage=shorter hair and more setbacks!:cry: No wonder I only have about four inches of retained growth in four years. Even that is only in the back.

I might end up trying it anyway since I have it and the first ingredients are the same, but geez.....

Rant over! (Now that this is off of my chest, I don't have to be reminded that I haven't posted in a few weeks!:lol: )

grow:)
 
Cayenne0622 said:
I appreciate all of information and I want to thank u. I'm nervous about purchasing anymore products because I am a product HOUND. I have wayyyyy too much stuff. I began a new hair regimen about 2 weeks ago and I've been wearing my hair up until today so I wasn't sure of its condition until today. Anyway, you mentioned shedding (seasonal). That seems to be my problem. I get a little bit of breakage too but again my moisture regimen is only 2 weeks old. I need some help with the shedding. The strands are long and they have the little bulb on the end. I have fine to medium textured strands so each strand of hair is valuable to me. HELP! Is there anything I can do to reduce the shedding? Its not overwhelming but its enough to be noticeable. When I got my Affirm relaxer last week, the stylist even commented about my shedding.Here is my regimen.Shampoo: every 3 days with Elasta QP for relaxed hairDeep conditioner treatment: every 3 days - Avalon Peppermint cond combined with Elasta Protein Serum, and Elasta DPR11 conditioner.I combine all three because they each give me what I need.Moisturize with 1 of these: Olive Oil by ORS, Elasta QP recovery moisturizer, and just bought Neutrogena Triple Moisturizer the other day. I do moisturize daily (morn and night)Style: Elasta QP H2 spray on leave in, Elasta QP Design Foam, comb hair straight back and tie with wrap strips for smooth dry. I let it air dry at that point.I'm afraid to use a clarifying shampoo because I believe my hair may still be needing more moisture for a while before I go there but I'm not sure.ADVICE/SUGGESTIONS?Goal: take chin length bob to even neck length bob by Christmas. HEALTHY, SHINY, AND FULL.
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I would recommend that you NOT shampoo 2x/week. On one of those days, just use conditioner (skip shampoo). Also, IMO that Elasta DPR11 does NOTHING for the hair except sit on it. I would also say to leave that QP Design foam out of your styling regimen unless you are rollersetting and need a setting agent. Otherwise, this is probably contributing to drying your hair out. The H2 Spray is good though. :up:
 
Supergirl said:
I would recommend that you NOT shampoo 2x/week. On one of those days, just use conditioner (skip shampoo). Also, IMO that Elasta DPR11 does NOTHING for the hair except sit on it. I would also say to leave that QP Design foam out of your styling regimen unless you are rollersetting and need a setting agent. Otherwise, this is probably contributing to drying your hair out. The H2 Spray is good though. :up:
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Thanks S-girl. Do you really think the design foam is a problem? It doesn't appear to have any drying agents in it. These are the ingredients: Botanical Extracts , Rosemary , Nettle , Lemon Balm , Chamomile , Horse Chestnut , Coltsfoot Leaf , Horsetail in Purified Water , Vinylpyrritidone , Dimethylaminoethyl Methacrylate Copolymer , Panthenol Pro-Vitamin B5 , Benzophenone-4 , Methylparaben , Octoxynol-13 , Citric Acid , Fragrance Its says that its non drying, non sticky and I use it because it gives my hair body and helps detangle my hair. What do you think?Also, I don't know much about the conditioner washes. Should I just run water over my hair and then apply conditioner and rinse? I tend to shampoo because I wear my hair pulled into a bun quite often and I use a no alcohol gel or a hair glaze to smooth my edges so that it'll be neat. I know I'm asking you alot but you seem to be one of the successful hair gurus in this forum so I value your opinion.
 
Cayenne0622 said:
Thanks S-girl. Do you really think the design foam is a problem? It doesn't appear to have any drying agents in it. These are the ingredients: Botanical Extracts , Rosemary , Nettle , Lemon Balm , Chamomile , Horse Chestnut , Coltsfoot Leaf , Horsetail in Purified Water , Vinylpyrritidone , Dimethylaminoethyl Methacrylate Copolymer , Panthenol Pro-Vitamin B5 , Benzophenone-4 , Methylparaben , Octoxynol-13 , Citric Acid , Fragrance Its says that its non drying, non sticky and I use it because it gives my hair body and helps detangle my hair. What do you think?Also, I don't know much about the conditioner washes. Should I just run water over my hair and then apply conditioner and rinse? I tend to shampoo because I wear my hair pulled into a bun quite often and I use a no alcohol gel or a hair glaze to smooth my edges so that it'll be neat. I know I'm asking you alot but you seem to be one of the successful hair gurus in this forum so I value your opinion.
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Those ingredients do sound good. Maybe it's not drying. Try it one day for air drying, but without the H2 spray or anything else. If it leaves your hair silky rather than crispy, then perhaps it is not a bad thing in your regimen.
 
Supergirl should be nominated for some type of award!!! I tried Solution "B" yesterday because my hair was shedding excessively and I had some breakage. I thought I was doing everything right but clearly I wasn't. I shampoo'd with Design Essentials Organic Cleanse (which is a clarifier), then I moisture shampoo'd with Design Essentials Moisture retention. I felt a squeaky clean feel to my hair after the Organic Cleanser and then it felt softer after the moisture shampoo. I did a protein treatment with Elasta QP Anti Breakage Serum and sat under the dryer for 30 mins. I rinsed thoroughly and then applied my NTM deep conditioner mixed with two other moisture retention conditioners and sat under the dryer for 45 mins. I rinsed the conditioner out and then did a final ACV rinse. The ACV rinse was pretty loud (smell) but I did it anyway since I was going to wear my hair in a bun. I applied my leave on moisturizers and let my hair air dry and an oil to seal it. I was so surprised later when I touched my hair and felt how soft and totally different it felt!!! I had absolutely no breakage and very little shedding. Today its still the same.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! It is so reassuring to know that there is a solution to these problems that could have easily made me give up and cut my hair really short. Now, I don't have to do that.
Listen to this lady! She knows her ISH!!
 
Supergirl is truly that...super! I tried the treatment you suggested (A & B). I clarifyied with Elucence clarifying shampoo, then I used Kenra Moisture detangling shampoo (WOW!!), I used the Ultra Sheen protein, and then after I rinsed that out, I conditioned with Elucence MB conditioner. I then applied the Mizani H2O Intense nighttime treatment, and a small amount of NTM silk touch. I lost less hair this time than the last few months!!!!! My hair is now in a plastic cap and I have my scarf on. I can't wait to see how much more moisturized my hair is going to be tommorrow.

Thanks again, supergirl.!:p
 
Question:

After the two week period when you start to wash your hair with shampoo again, how often do you do this routine and how do you know when it's time?
I don't want to wait for damage to appear before I do it. I want to use it as a preventative measure. TIA :)
 
punchinella said:
Question:

After the two week period when you start to wash your hair with shampoo again, how often do you do this routine and how do you know when it's time?
I don't want to wait for damage to appear before I do it. I want to use it as a preventative measure. TIA :)
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If you can, try to go 2 weeks at a time without using shampoo. If you can't (and I understand--sometimes I have to shampoo because of build up) then try using shampoo every 3rd time you wash your hair. If you are not experiencing breakage, then you can try alternating every other wash with/without shampoo.
 
Nice & Wavy said:
Supergirl is truly that...super! I tried the treatment you suggested (A & B). I clarifyied with Elucence clarifying shampoo, then I used Kenra Moisture detangling shampoo (WOW!!), I used the Ultra Sheen protein, and then after I rinsed that out, I conditioned with Elucence MB conditioner. I then applied the Mizani H2O Intense nighttime treatment, and a small amount of NTM silk touch. I lost less hair this time than the last few months!!!!! My hair is now in a plastic cap and I have my scarf on. I can't wait to see how much more moisturized my hair is going to be tommorrow.

Thanks again, supergirl.!:p
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Correction: I said before that I used Kenra shampoo...wrong, I meant to say "Keracare". That shampoo is great!
 
Well, it's been a week of using the nightime treatment and I have to say that my hair has been shedding alot less. My hair also has been SUPER moisterized. It has been wonderful how moisterized my hair feels and how my hair is responding to the treatment. I also been spraying some Awphawi Spray from Paul Mitchell during the day and NTM at night on the night's I don't use the nighttime treatment. I'm looking forward for when my hair stops the shedding completely.

Thanks again, supergirl...you are a blessing!
 
Nice & Wavy said:
Well, it's been a week of using the nightime treatment and I have to say that my hair has been shedding alot less. My hair also has been SUPER moisterized. It has been wonderful how moisterized my hair feels and how my hair is responding to the treatment. I also been spraying some Awphawi Spray from Paul Mitchell during the day and NTM at night on the night's I don't use the nighttime treatment. I'm looking forward for when my hair stops the shedding completely.

Thanks again, supergirl...you are a blessing!
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Wonderful news! :up:
 
I'm glad I found this thread. I relaxed 4 weeks ago and noticed shedding everytime I comb my hair (which is only once or twice a week). I was trying to remain calm since I just got a relaxer after 5 years so I attributed the shedding/breaking to that. I'm still seeing hair when I comb which I don't like, so I'm going to try the Mizani treatment.
 
How are you guys applying the Mizani treatment? Since shedding happens from the root, at the scalp, and you are saying that it has helped shedding I'm trying to figure out if people are putting it on their scalp?

Anybody?
 
I still have some breakage so I'm going to try your methods. Thanks so much for taking the time to post this. You are a doll!
 
UPDATE: I tried it, and it worked. Of course it is not totally back to health but you can see the difference so I will stick with it.

This is what I did:
Keracare 1st Lather Shampoo
Keracare Hydrating Shampoo
Joico K-Pak
Keracare Humecto Conditioner
I air dried my hair in a bun or braid.

Applied Mizani Intense Nite-Time Treatment (every other nite)

After the two weeks (Co-washing in between) I washed with diluted shampoo and deep conditioned with Humecto.

During this regimen I noticed a decrease of hairs in my comb and on the floor.

Thanks SG
 
Supergirl said:
I'm going to strongly recommend one of the following for your protein treatment that will follow your moisturizing shampoo:

*Joico K-Pak (don't use generic, it's not nearly as good)
*Motions Moisture Silk Protein OR CPR
*Ultra Sheen Duo Tex
*Dudley Cream Protein
*Regis Protein Boost

Of course there are many others, but I've only recommended what I have tried.
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Which one is closest to the above protein treatments:

Nexxus Emergency
Nexxus Keraphix
Dudleys DRC
Affirm 5 in 1

I have a hard time differentiating between a heavy and mild protein treatment. Or between a protein conditioner, reconstructor, and protein treatment.
 
Ms_Twana said:
Which one is closest to the above protein treatments:

Nexxus Emergency
Nexxus Keraphix
Dudleys DRC
Affirm 5 in 1

I have a hard time differentiating between a heavy and mild protein treatment. Or between a protein conditioner, reconstructor, and protein treatment.
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Emergencee & DRC are probably along the lines of the Duo Tex treatment. 5 in 1 and Keraphix since they are creamy are probably more in line with the other treatments.
 
Supergirl, Supergirl, Supergirl, you are just what the Dr. ordered.:) For the last month my hair has gotten so thick that I have not been able to comb it out, because of this it started to break and shed, which is horrifying when you hair is 25 inches long. I've tried several products to put moisture back in my hair but they didn't work.

I'm going to try of couple of your staples. Hopefully, this will stop the breakage it won't give me my thickness back, but at least I'll be on my way.

Thanksssss
 
Supergirl said:
Emergencee & DRC are probably along the lines of the Duo Tex treatment. 5 in 1 and Keraphix since they are creamy are probably more in line with the other treatments.
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How often and how should duotex be used?
 
The Mizani Rose is the truth. I have the nightime treatment and the hairdress and they are both doing good by me. I had relaxed my hair about two weeks ago and noticed that my hair was shedding alot since. Last night I put my nightime treatment on (had let lasp while trying out my NTM line which I'm loving) and today very little if any shedding. For someone who does not buy expensive hair care this one I can say was well worth the $18.99/each.
 
Thanks for the suggestions, Supergirl. This post is AWESOME.

I do have a quick question though - I can't find the Mizani Rose H20 Nighttime Treatment. I can only find:

1. Mizani Rose H20 Conditioning Headress
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and...

2. Mizani Intense Nighttime Treatment
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Which one is it that you recommend? Or is there another product that I can't find? What's everyone using?

TIA!
 
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