What's he mean by that comment?

[peachfuzzz]

My last relaxer was in Dec 08 and I BCd in Sept 09...I want to get my hair straightened in either Sept or Dec (can't fig out which yet). I have a couple of friends who've recently gotten their natural hair straightened by the same stylist and they LOVE the results (wash, condition, cut/trim, style for $30). The stylist's comment to them was that they needed to come back 1-2 weeks later so their hair can be "trained". He told my 2nd friend (4a/3c, silkly hair) that she had a "better grade/texture" than my first friend (4b) so her hair should be trained in 3-4 weeks instead of the 6 weeks he told my first friend. Both of their results from the first press look amazing. My first friend had her's done first (about 4 weeks ago now) and it still looks great despite the humidity in our area. It looks like they have sew-ins or wigs on...so much body and shine!

How would you take the stylist's comments? Does he mean "heat trained" aka damaged?? Or, can your hair be "trained to press/flat iron" quicker?

 

[Evolving78]

yep! that is exactly what he meant. he wants to heat train their hair. he already put it out there that he has an issue with certain textures. i wouldn't go back to him, due to that comment and the fact he will do a hard press to get the hair to his standards.

 

[bride91501]

Does he mean "heat trained" aka damaged??

Yes unfortunately, this is exactly what he means.

 

[hair4romheaven]

It all depends who you ask. Heat training will loosen your curl pattern permanently. If you want to wear your hair straight or in textured styles (braid, twist outs) only then it may work for you. Your hair just won't be natural anymore as you have altered the texture. If done by the wrong person you can have severe damage. As far as his comment he could've been saying your friends type 3 hair is "better" as in "easier" to train since her curl pattern is looser. He did use the wrong wording and should've been verbally checked. Anyway What is his method, products and technique?

 

[westNDNbeauty]

before you decide to have a seat in his chair....please wait until these girls wash their hair.

often times we are wow-ed by a stylists results on the first go round of straightening only to find that your hair has been heat damaged. judging by his mentality, I would not be surprised to find if the curl pattern of your friends hair has changed from just that one sitting. one time is all it takes really.

i'm not calling him a bad stylist, but heat damage happens to the best of us.

 

[peachfuzzz]

It all depends who you ask. Heat training will loosen your curl pattern permanently. If you want to wear your hair straight or in textured styles (braid, twist outs) only then it may work for you. Your hair just won't be natural anymore as you have altered the texture. If done by the wrong person you can have severe damage. As far as his comment he could've been saying your friends type 3 hair is "better" as in "easier" to train since her curl pattern is looser. He did use the wrong wording and should've been verbally checked. Anyway What is his method, products and technique?

They don't remember what poo or conditioner he used(said the products started w/ a C but couldn't remember the name). They both got moisturizing DCs with heat though. He then blew it out. They said he used a lot of heat protectant and then used "something on a burner/stove looked like scissors ". Then he used a hot comb for the edges. After that he used oil or something to seal. He then flat-ironed to feather.

I talked to my first friend and asked her about the "trained" comment and she said it's so her hair won't be so "rough" after she washes it. She said her hair would hurt when she would try to comb it, even when wet. And this has helped to "tame" it. She says her hair reverted back without a problem, but I'm kinda leery.

 

[hair4romheaven]

They don't remember what poo or conditioner he used(said the products started w/ a C but couldn't remember the name). They both got moisturizing DCs with heat though. He then blew it out. They said he used a lot of heat protectant and then used "something on a burner/stove looked like scissors ". Then he used a hot comb for the edges. After that he used oil or something to seal. He then flat-ironed to feather.

I talked to my first friend and asked her about the "trained" comment and she said it's so her hair won't be so "rough" after she washes it. She said her hair would hurt when she would try to comb it, even when wet. And this has helped to "tame" it. She says her hair reverted back without a problem, but I'm kinda leery.

That's too much heat for "my" hair. I wouldn't and couldn't do it. When I heat train I just blow dry using the tension method. I don't flat iron yet as I need to learn technique first. Once I learn more about the flat iron and which one will be best for me I will skip the blow dry step and dry in braids or bands then flat iron. I don't want to bone straight train just rid SSK tame my shrinkage a bit. What ever you decide good luck and research other methods. DIYs methods.

 

[tatiana]

^^^that thing that looked like scissors was a cordless Marcel curling iron (old school)
so he blow-dryed, hot curled, hot comb some sections, and flat iron.
wow that is a lot of heat
he could not roller set and flat iron?

 

[ProtectiveStyling]

come to think of it, when i started to transition, my stylist told me to flat my hair every 2 weeks so the new growth would be use to the heat and being straight . I did just that, but my curls didnt change. the only thing i noticed was that my hair didnt frizz so quick. it lasted for about 2 1/2 weeks straight & still smelled like my shampoo because i only wrapped or rolled it at night & didnt put much on it. Now that i flat iron my hair every 2 months (to clip ends) i have noticed it frizz in like 3 days. My stylist had "trained" my hair but it wasnt "heat damaged" because i still had super tight curls.... it lasted because like she said, "my hair became familiar to heat & being straight".... & it wasnt the stuff she used because i did if for a while with my own products and got the same results.... its strange

 

[Roux]

he said one girl has good hair and the other has bad hair. and he is talking about heat training. I wouldn't mess with him.

 

[Solitude]

He means easier to straighten.

 

[omegachick31]

The best way to find out what a person means is to ask the person directly....Why don't you set up a consultation and inquire about his methods and his definition of trained.

 

[mzteaze]

I agree with omegachick 31. Your friends shared part of the story but if you are trying to make a decision, you need all of the facts. Schedule a consultation and talk to the stylist yourself.

 

[Cherokee-n-Black]

^^^that thing that looked like scissors was a cordless Marcel curling iron (old school)
so he blow-dryed, hot curled, hot comb some sections, and flat iron.
wow that is a lot of heat
he could not roller set and flat iron?

Marcel makes a flat iron too. I had mine done with one in ATL--stayed straight for 2 weeks (I was texlaxed though) Still, 2 weeks--with rain! If done right it should not take this much "doing." Dry loose under hood dryer, blow dry out some wet spots- and marcel irons can straighten and curl the ends.

 

[lilyofthenile]

I personally don't believe in the concept of heat training and I think that's what he really meant. Heat training to me is just changing your curl pattern permanently. I just don't believe it and what he said is quite offensive.

 

[Lute]

If he used the a marcel iron, to straighten the girls hair. I would not go to him at all. I am of 4b hair type and this is the same method a lady used on my hair in April. I have heat damage because of her. Some parts of my head of strands the the damage goes from root to tip.

So, yeah.. i would not to go to him at all.

 

[peachfuzzz]

Thank you all for responding. I'll wait to see if both of my friends have any problems with their hair reverting back. I'll then set up a consultation to speak with him about his techniques, heat "training"/damage and products. If I'm not comfortable then I won't get my hair straightened! Thanks again everyone.

 

[Alta Angel]

I LOVE the way my stylist flat irons my hair, but this last time I gave him the serious side eye. He told me that I need to come more often so that he can monitor the "moisture level" of my hair. He questioned whether I did steam treatments. When I told him I steamed every week for 40 minutes he said I must not be using enough product or need to spend additional time under the steamer. I told him that my hair is always moist, conditioned, etc. He said that I am going to need to make a decision whether to be a straightened natural or just wear my hair in its natural texture. When I said, BYE he quickly suggested I come 4 times a year, so that he could make sure my hair is healthy.

In the same breath he said that my hair has grown more than any of his other clients.

 

[30something]

Yes you can be "trained" to pressed quicker...just think about it... less curls = easier press. I would take his comments as typical stylists tactics to get naturals back in the salon hair. Four forms of heat seems like an extreme attempt at heat training. I don't believe in pushing on heat training on people who didn't really ask for it that is why I stay away from salons all together.

 

[darlingdiva]

If he used the a marcel iron, to straighten the girls hair. I would not go to him at all. I am of 4b hair type and this is the same method a lady used on my hair in April. I have heat damage because of her. Some parts of my head of strands the the damage goes from root to tip.

So, yeah.. i would not to go to him at all.

His use of the marcel iron is not necessarily a reason to not visit him. Marcel irons get a bad rap because some people just don't know how to use them properly. They don't always equal heat damage.

I grew up as a heat-straightened natural who got her hair straightened every two to three weeks with Marcel irons, and my hair always reverted completely. The texture reverted back to its original state after each wash.

I am not trying to discredit your experience, and I am sorry that this happened to you. I am just offering another perspective.

 

[Lute]

His use of the marcel iron is not necessarily a reason to not visit him. Marcel irons get a bad rap because some people just don't know how to use them properly. They don't always equal heat damage.

I grew up as a heat-straightened natural who got her hair straightened every two to three weeks with Marcel irons, and my hair always reverted completely. The texture reverted back to its original state after each wash.

I am not trying to discredit your experience, and I am sorry that this happened to you. I am just offering another perspective.

No worries. ^_^
I blame the beautician more than the tool itself. At the end of the day its all about the skills they have and if they can work with what you have rather than forcing your hair to do something it doesn't normally do. To make their job easier.

It angers me when beauticians are dead set.. on changing your hair pattern so they can press your hair easily. The thought it makes me feel violated.

 

[Lovelylocs]

They don't remember what poo or conditioner he used(said the products started w/ a C but couldn't remember the name). They both got moisturizing DCs with heat though. He then blew it out. They said he used a lot of heat protectant and then used "something on a burner/stove looked like scissors ". Then he used a hot comb for the edges. After that he used oil or something to seal. He then flat-ironed to feather.

I talked to my first friend and asked her about the "trained" comment and she said it's so her hair won't be so "rough" after she washes it. She said her hair would hurt when she would try to comb it, even when wet. And this has helped to "tame" it. She says her hair reverted back without a problem, but I'm kinda leery.

Woah! This took me back to being like 6 years old! A HOT COMB! I haven't seen one of those in years.

 

[lilsparkle825]

They don't remember what poo or conditioner he used(said the products started w/ a C but couldn't remember the name). They both got moisturizing DCs with heat though. He then blew it out. They said he used a lot of heat protectant and then used "something on a burner/stove looked like scissors ". Then he used a hot comb for the edges. After that he used oil or something to seal. He then flat-ironed to feather.

I talked to my first friend and asked her about the "trained" comment and she said it's so her hair won't be so "rough" after she washes it. She said her hair would hurt when she would try to comb it, even when wet. And this has helped to "tame" it. She says her hair reverted back without a problem, but I'm kinda leery.

To me, this is more indicative of her technique than the fact that she has problem hair. Is she a hair enthusiast, or is she good at taking care of her hair? Lots of people are swayed by stylists who talk a good game, especially if they are not good at taking care of it themselves, and it sounds like that's what's going on here.

Personally, I'd run far, far away from this guy. The talk about good and bad grades and NEEDING to come back for xyz are too much IMO. But that's just me.

 

[Lucia]

before you decide to have a seat in his chair....please wait until these girls wash their hair.

often times we are wow-ed by a stylists results on the first go round of straightening only to find that your hair has been heat damaged. judging by his mentality, I would not be surprised to find if the curl pattern of your friends hair has changed from just that one sitting. one time is all it takes really.

i'm not calling him a bad stylist, but heat damage happens to the best of us.

ITA with this OP wait and see the real results on their natural hair. also another heat training does is de-bulk the thickness of your hair especially if you don't have super thick hair to begin with. I'd stay away from him, and tell my friends too.