What a difference a comb makes...

I have been planning to invest in a new comb. I always have little broken hair after using my comb. The seams are really roughed up and they are snagging my hairs.
 
simplyhair said:
The combs offered at hairsense.com are not true or authentic bone combs. A true bone comb's color will turn to a rich, deep mahogony color when it ages due to the material used.

Colordesignsystems.com used to sell the original bone combs (members here used to buy from them back in the day) until they sold the business to spilo.com.

I bought the 222 back in 2006 from hairsense and was very disappointed when it arrived. Since I already had two bones combs from colordesignsystems, I knew upfront what to expect when the 222 arrived from hairsense. The combs from hairsense are not organic resin as she claims. Her combs are made from a plastic material.

Look closely at your comb. Does it look like the comb pictured on her site? The comb pictured on her site is an authentic bone comb...which she does not sell. I've seen that comb in person a few years back at a salon.

Check out the hard rubber combs at http://www.hotcombs.net
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Having a bone comb isn't really that important. Having a seamless comb is the main objective. I think bone combs made from real horns became rare because resin combs--which Hairsense is careful to point out is what they sell--work just as well and are probably more economical to make. (Can you just see how much animal abuse could become a concern if bone combs were the only seamless comb there was? I mean poachers were a big problem in Africa due to the market for ivory...so I can just see animals being killed all willy-nilly or horns being sawed off animals leaving them defenseless just so that bone combs could be made.)

I have two combs from Hairsense and they work perfectly well.

ETA the bone comb I found on Spilo looks like a resin comb. It isn't a bone comb and it does look like the resin combs from Hairsense. Or aren't you talking about this comb: http://www.spilo.com/e-store/prd/pr...=&grp=&cat=&subcat=&id=141712732464&srch=comb

True bone combs look more like this:
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wow, i have to get one of these combs. since i started my hair care, ive been melting the tips of my combs. i held them over fire until a smooth roundish tips form on comb, worked for me. but i still want this comb
 
Nonie said:
Having a bone comb isn't really that important. Having a seamless comb is the main objective. I think bone combs made from real horns became rare because resin combs--which Hairsense is careful to point out is what they sell--work just as well and are probably more economical to make. (Can you just see how much animal abuse could become a concern if bone combs were the only seamless comb there was? I mean poachers were a big problem in Africa due to the market for ivory...so I can just see cattle being killed all willy-nilly or horns being sawed off animals leaving them defenseless just so that bone combs could be made.)

I have two combs from Hairsense and they work perfectly well.

ETA the bone I found on Spilo looks like a resin comb. It isn't a bone comb and it does look like the resin combs from Hairsense. Or aren't you talking about this comb: http://www.spilo.com/e-store/prd/pr...=&grp=&cat=&subcat=&id=141712732464&srch=comb
True bone combs look more like this:
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You are right about all of the bolds above. I should clarify my point about true bone combs then.

I'm sure the organic resin "bone" combs came along for that very reason (cruelty to animals). Please note, when the organic resin combs did surface, the material used would turn a beautiful mahogany color as it aged.

I was always taught by a stylist years ago, that's how you know when you have a true "bone" comb in that sense (change of color). Not in the sense as an animal by-product. As a matter of fact, she has the exact same comb pictured as 222 on hairsense.com.

Ever since I saw and used my stylist's comb, I drooled for one. I was so excited to find one online. However, when I got the comb in the mail, I immediately could tell it was not the same comb she pictured on her site. The material on the 222 was a cheap plastic.

I do have two combs pictured on spilo's website. The feel of the the organic resins on spilo are totally different from the hairsense combs. I complained to her about the false advertisement. She stood by her "lie" and refused to refund my money. Either way, I tried to like the comb but just couldn't do it knowing good and well it was a "fake" to me. So, I gave the 222 to my mom and I sold the tail comb to another LHCF member who I used to chat with thru emails.

I agree that seamless combs are the main objective. However, I take into consideration the type of material used to make the combs. It's no different than the haircare products that we buy. We all want a deep conditioner. But, some of us prefer all natural, high-end, w/o any cones or parabens. While others are just OK with parabens, drug store products. I stay in the middle with hair care products and lean more towards the BSS, drug store products. But, tend to be a little picky with my combs though. Twisted thinking...I know.

I own both the spilo and Hercules Sagemann combs. Both sets of combs are seamless but I prefer seamless, hard rubber combs. I like the feel of the hard rubber as it glides thru my hair. IDK, I believe the hard rubber has way more benefits than the spilo combs. Therefore, I reach for the Hercules in my stash more often.
 
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Ordered mine!!! I have been looking for a better comb because the one I have now snags on my hair at times and I end of with some broken hairs. Not a lot but enough that makes me unhappy. Thanks OP for the heads up.
 
simplyhair said:
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You are right about all of the bolds above. I should clarify my point about true bone combs then.

I'm sure the organic resin "bone" combs came along for that very reason (cruelty to animals). Please note, when the organic resin combs did surface, the material used would turn a beautiful mahogany color as it aged.

I was always taught by a stylist years ago, that's how you know when you have a true "bone" comb in that sense (change of color). Not in the sense as an animal by-product. As a matter of fact, she has the exact same comb pictured as 222 on hairsense.com.

Ever since I saw and used my stylist's comb, I drooled for one. I was so excited to find one online. However, when I got the comb in the mail, I immediately could tell it was not the same comb she pictured on her site. The material on the 222 was a cheap plastic.

I do have two combs pictured on spilo's website. The feel of the the organic resins on spilo are totally different from the hairsense combs. I complained to her about the false advertisement. She stood by her "lie" and refused to refund my money. Either way, I tried to like the comb but just couldn't do it knowing good and well it was a "fake" to me. So, I gave the 222 to my mom and I sold the tail comb to another LHCF member who I used to chat with thru emails.

I agree that seamless combs are the main objective. However, I take into consideration the type of material used to make the combs. It's no different than the haircare products that we buy. We all want a deep conditioner. But, some of us prefer all natural, high-end, w/o any cones or parabens. While others are just OK with parabens, drug store products. I stay in the middle with hair care products and lean more towards the BSS, drug store products. But, tend to be a little picky with my combs though. Twisted thinking...I know.

I own both the spilo and Hercules Sagemann combs. Both sets of combs are seamless but I prefer seamless, hard rubber combs. I like the feel of the hard rubber as it glides thru my hair. IDK, I believe the hard rubber has way more benefits than the spilo combs. Therefore, I reach for the Hercules in my stash more often.
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Thanks for clarifying...but I'm still a bit lost (Sorry).

Question, do you have links to these combs you are calling 222? I am not sure I follow. I'm trying to see which 222 not to believe and which 222 is OK. I have no idea what 222 is. :hide:

Also I would think a rubber comb would be hard on hair. It is particularly why rubber bands are not used but rather cloth covered rubber bands. Do the rubber combs have resin in them or are they a totally different type of seamless comb? Pic? Sorry to be a pain but can you provide links for images of what you are talking about.

TIA
 
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Nonie said:
Thanks for clarifying...but I'm still a bit lost (Sorry).

Question, do you have links to these combs you are calling 222? I am not sure I follow. I'm trying to see which 222 not to believe and which 222 is OK. I have no idea what 222 is. :hide:

Also I would think a rubber comb would be hard on hair. It is particularly why rubber bands are not used but rather cloth covered rubber bands. Do the rubber combs have resin in them or are they a totally different type of seamless comb? Pic? Sorry to be a pain but can you provide links for images of what you are talking about.

TIA
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You are not being a pain. The 222 that everyone is referring to belongs to hairsense http://hairsense.com/images/222.jpg. This comb she has pictured is not a true bone comb that was made from an animal. When I refer to a "bone" comb, I am referring to the kind that is made from an organic resin that will turn to a beautiful, deep, mahogany color as it ages.

I believe colordesignsystems.com were having these manufactured as an alternative to producing the animal by-product bone combs. Therefore, for the sake of clarity, lets call the organic resin bone combs imitations. These combs were produced and sold by colordesignsystems.com for many years prior to my discovery of them here on the board back in 2003 until they sold it to spilo a couple of years ago.

Let's go back to hairsense.com. The comb she has pictured on her site as 222, I originally saw in person with an old stylist. So, I knew exactly what to look for. When I received my 222 in the mail, right off the bat, the look and feel of the comb was suspect. Therefore, I grabbed my bone (imitation) combs from colordesignsystems. Uhh, not the same. I went back to her site to look again at the picture. Perhaps, I could be wrong and didn't want to jump to any conclusions. I put my 222 up to the computer next her picture. It is not the same comb...no doubts about it. Why? The comb on the picture has a nice, sleek, curved spine with pointy teeth. The comb I received had a straight spine with rounded teeth.

There is no other way to look at it. The comb I received was not the comb she had pictured. Remember the LHCF member I mentioned earlier. Well, I was so disgusted with my experience, the member was kind enough to hear my pain. I sent her a picture for her comparison and even she could see that the comb I received was not like the picture.

I was so po'd with hairsense I didn't know what to do. It was truly false advertisement. Do you see the color of the comb she has pictured in the link above? That comb has aged to the color I was referring to. The 222 she sent me would never turn that color because it was a cheap plastic. I can't post a picture because I gave it to my mom and sold the other to the LHCF member.

Don't get me wrong. The mahogany color of the comb is not what makes the comb so spectacular. I just know that a certain type of material is used for the type of bone combs I was accustomed to.

For me, a comb or any tool for that matter, is only as good as the material it is made out of. For instance, remember years ago, the flat/curling irons had that cheap gold ceramic plate or barrel. That was some junk even though I still have mine from Sally's. :lachen: I don't use it now that I'm heat free. Those cheap gold plates/barrel irons worked or did it's purpose (to curl the hair) but probably not that beneficial to our hair. Now, we know that irons with a true ceramic/tourmaline plate is the best. So, a lot of people prefer CHI, FHI, GVP, etc.

I have both the bone/imitation comb and seamless, hard rubber combs in my stash. I prefer my Hercules Sagemann combs. There is more information about how they are made here http://www.hotcombs.net/ and here http://www.hotcombs.net/pages/HERCULES-S%C3%84GEMANN.html.

You compared the hard rubber comb to that of a rubber band. I can see that since they're both rubber. But it's not the same or fair comparison. A rubber band is made to compress and bind the hair. Therefore, putting tension on the hair strands. On the other hand, the hard rubber used by Hercules goes thru a special process to make the rubber very smooth and durable. Then, they hand cut, hand saw and hand polish the combs. I like that they take those extra steps to ensure the combs are snag free. Therefore, the comb literally glides thru my hair. I love the quality of the Hercules combs.

This is what their site says http://www.hotcombs.net/products/Magic-Star-Jumbo-Rake.html:

•Made by hand from 100% Vulcanized Natural Rubber
•Tried and tested design with perfect ergonomics
•Twist-resistant and yet flexible
•The teeth are hand-sawn, hand-cut, and hand-polished to perfection!
•Non-porous (will not support the growth of mold or mildew); guaranteeing hygiene
•Chemical and heat resistant
•Antistatic (prevents fly-away hair)
•Very smooth and gentle to the hair and scalp due to rounded tips and sides
•Very good gliding ability when combing through the hair

Here are my bone combs and Hercules Sagemann combs. Look at the bone combs. When you first buy a bone/imitation comb, it is a light carmel color. Now see the comb on top in my picture, it is probably a year older than the bottom comb. They are both turning into the mahogany color I spoke of earlier.

I originally bought my Jumbo Rake and two-sided comb from Zooscape but I guess they no longer sell them. The hard rubber tail comb came from hotcombs.
 

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testimony777 said:
If you have done everything you can to eliminate breakage and are finding that no matter how gentle you are, or how well you maintain the proper protein/moisture balance you are still seeing a few broken hairs in the comb I highly recommend trying this comb. I purchased it from hairsense.com; it is #222 the super rake detangler. It retails for $18.50. I placed my order online late in the evening on Feb 15 and it arrived today (just 4 days latter) so pretty fast shipping. It is a bit pricey for a comb but after just one use I already feel great about my purchase.
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That's the vendor I ordered from back in 2003 I believe. Looks like the design of the #222 has changed slightly but I highly recommend this bone comb as well! :yep:

I posted a pic of it in the "lose minimal hair" challenge:


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I absolutely love you, Simplyhair! :kiss: THANK YOU so much for breaking it down for me. :notworthy

Hmm... :scratchch Now you have me wanting to go check my combs from Hairsense to see if they match the pics. :giggle: But really, they've worked for me so far, so I shan't look a gift horse in the mouth...but I'll save this info for later. Thanks again.
 
simplyhair said:
Let's go back to hairsense.com. The comb she has pictured on her site as 222, I originally saw in person with an old stylist. So, I knew exactly what to look for. When I received my 222 in the mail, right off the bat, the look and feel of the comb was suspect. Therefore, I grabbed my bone (imitation) combs from colordesignsystems. Uhh, not the same. I went back to her site to look again at the picture. Perhaps, I could be wrong and didn't want to jump to any conclusions. I put my 222 up to the computer next her picture. It is not the same comb...no doubts about it. Why? The comb on the picture has a nice, sleek, curved spine with pointy teeth. The comb I received had a straight spine with rounded teeth.

There is no other way to look at it. The comb I received was not the comb she had pictured. Remember the LHCF member I mentioned earlier. Well, I was so disgusted with my experience, the member was kind enough to hear my pain. I sent her a picture for her comparison and even she could see that the comb I received was not like the picture.

I was so po'd with hairsense I didn't know what to do. It was truly false advertisement.
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Well damn! Was I hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray? :blush:

Fooled for all these years, umph. :perplexed

I still love my comb, though. :lol:
 
I learned about using seamless combs a few years ago on another forum for relaxed ladies (I don't know if it even exists anymore). I have never had a problem with detangling and I will not use a comb unless its seamless.
 
Nonie said:
I absolutely love you, Simplyhair! :kiss: THANK YOU so much for breaking it down for me. :notworthy

Hmm... :scratchch Now you have me wanting to go check my combs from Hairsense to see if they match the pics. :giggle: But really, they've worked for me so far, so I shan't look a gift horse in the mouth...but I'll save this info for later. Thanks again.
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You are welcome! Check the pics with your combs and see. Just for the sake of knowing for yourself. It's good to know if you really did get the comb in her picture or something else?
 
SVT said:
Well damn! Was I hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray? :blush:

Fooled for all these years, umph. :perplexed

I still love my comb, though. :lol:
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Hey SVT, I dunno :perplexed. I bought my comb (#222) from hairsense in 2006 and it looks just like the comb you pictured above but it was a light color. Yours look black. What color is your 222 comb? Do you remember the color of it when you originally received it? I'm just curious if she did in fact have bone combs (that turns mahogany) prior to me buying.

Now, I do remember colordesignsystems had black bone combs but not in the big rake style. BTW, hairsense was not getting her combs from colordesignsystems.
 
simplyhair said:
Hey SVT, I dunno :perplexed. I bought my comb (#222) from hairsense in 2006 and it looks just like the comb you pictured above but it was a light color. Yours look black. What color is your 222 comb? Do you remember the color of it when you originally received it? I'm just curious if she did in fact have bone combs (that turns mahogany) prior to me buying.

Now, I do remember colordesignsystems had black bone combs but not in the big rake style. BTW, hairsense was not getting her combs from colordesignsystems.
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My comb was much lighter when I first got it. It's darkened from use during hair coloring plus the lighting was a little low in that pic.

I also remember the teeth being very sharp at first and I posted about filing them. I almost returned the comb because of the sharp teeth but some filing and gradual wear have made my comb peeerrffect. :yep:
 
simplyhair said:
Let's go back to hairsense.com. The comb she has pictured on her site as 222, I originally saw in person with an old stylist. So, I knew exactly what to look for. When I received my 222 in the mail, right off the bat, the look and feel of the comb was suspect. Therefore, I grabbed my bone (imitation) combs from colordesignsystems. Uhh, not the same. I went back to her site to look again at the picture. Perhaps, I could be wrong and didn't want to jump to any conclusions. I put my 222 up to the computer next her picture. It is not the same comb...no doubts about it. Why? The comb on the picture has a nice, sleek, curved spine with pointy teeth. The comb I received had a straight spine with rounded teeth.

There is no other way to look at it. The comb I received was not the comb she had pictured.
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I am really sorry that happened to you :nono:. I can totally get where you are coming from in terms of caring about the material your comb is made of, especially when you think you are ordering one thing and you end up getting something else :nono:. I would have been highly upset as well.

I also ordered the 222 but mine does look like what she has pictured on her site. The one difference is that on the site you cannot see the evidence of it being hand made where as in person (looking at it close up) it is clear that it is made by hand. However, the shape is the same, it has a nice weight to it, and it has the subtle sent that organic resin combs have (at least per what I have read about them on line :grin:). It is definitely not a plastic comb. I will keep my eye on it to see if turns that deep mahogany color as it ages but so far I feel pretty confident that I got what I thought I was getting.
 
SVT said:
My comb was much lighter when I first got it. It's darkened from use during hair coloring plus the lighting was a little low in that pic.

I also remember the teeth being very sharp at first and I posted about filing them. I almost returned the comb because of the sharp teeth but some filing and gradual wear have made my comb peeerrffect. :yep:
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SVT do you use your comb in the shower?
 
This comb is incredible for two reasons. First, I have never been able to detangle my hair dry. I have always had to do it in the shower to avoid having a ton of breakage. Second, I always have some breakage no matter how I detangle. I thought that five broken hairs in the comb was inevitable, but there was literally not a single broken strand after combing my DRY hair.

If you have done everything you can to eliminate breakage and are finding that no matter how gentle you are, or how well you maintain the proper protein/moisture balance you are still seeing a few broken hairs in the comb I highly recommend trying this comb. I purchased it from hairsense.com; it is #222 the super rake detangler. It retails for $18.50. I placed my order online late in the evening on Feb 15 and it arrived today (just 4 days latter) so pretty fast shipping. It is a bit pricey for a comb but after just one use I already feel great about my purchase. [/QUOTE]

Well. I think God just answered my prayers in the form your post! I just did a post about breakage and my hair type. I've done everything in the past two months to eliminate breakage, except change my cheap $2.00 plastic combs with large glaring seams. I didn't think that would have made a difference. I will try this. :yep:
 
SVT said:
My comb was much lighter when I first got it. It's darkened from use during hair coloring plus the lighting was a little low in that pic.

I also remember the teeth being very sharp at first and I posted about filing them. I almost returned the comb because of the sharp teeth but some filing and gradual wear have made my comb peeerrffect. :yep:
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What? Well, perhaps it is an organic resin comb. :yep:
 
testimony777 said:
I am really sorry that happened to you :nono:. I can totally get where you are coming from in terms of caring about the material your comb is made of, especially when you think you are ordering one thing and you end up getting something else :nono:. I would have been highly upset as well.

I also ordered the 222 but mine does look like what she has pictured on her site. The one difference is that on the site you cannot see the evidence of it being hand made where as in person (looking at it close up) it is clear that it is made by hand. However, the shape is the same, it has a nice weight to it, and it has the subtle sent that organic resin combs have (at least per what I have read about them on line :grin:). It is definitely not a plastic comb. I will keep my eye on it to see if turns that deep mahogany color as it ages but so far I feel pretty confident that I got what I thought I was getting.
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Thanks girlie! It was an experience I do not like to remember...arguing on the phone with her. But, I'm glad you got the right comb. At least someone did! :lachen: I hope it turns the deep mahogany color for you.
 
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I ordered the one from hairsense. I hope I ordered the right one and not a fake knock-off. I ordered the #222. Trying to complete a 6-month stretch.
 
Serenity_Peace said:
I ordered the one from hairsense. I hope I ordered the right one and not a fake knock-off. I ordered the #222. Trying to complete a 6-month stretch.
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Did you receive yours yet? I just got mine and it looks like the picture but the teeth are kinda squared off and not pointy. They actually feel kinda sharp:perplexed Is that they way they are suppose to feel?

ETA: The insert that was sent with the comb gives a description of it and how the bone comb came about as well as it will have a fragrance and my comb does have some type of fragrance to it.
 
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**subscribing to this thread**


I JUST bought three hairsense.com bone (bakelite) combs. I really like her service and her product. She sends information on how the comb is made and why it's beneficial too.

I wish I'd known she has an ebay where she gives better deals. For years, I ordered creative seamless combs from tenderheaded.com but they have been out of stock with ALL of them for a long time. I think the creativetool.com website might be them!

I'm going to order a batch of creativetool.com ones and a second batch of hairsense combs from the ebay site. I have to stock up because I have lost many seamless combs over the years and it's worth it to keep them at hand.
 
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