Was Eve framed? The question might be funny but...
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alexstin
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If you're framed for something then you didn't actually do it, right?
What are you saying she didn't do?
Cichelle
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If you take the story literally and you believe in an all knowing Creator, you could come to the conclusion that she was set up. But then, in that case, so was Adam (and everybody else). I've seen these types of discussions on religion boards for years. I've never seen "framed" exactly. Interesting, nonetheless.
Um... I'm not exactly sure.... I guess the way I thought about it was that she seems to be the one who gets the blame for bringing sin into the world?
Or, is it like when Adam said to the Lord "You gave me this woman"....
so it's like maybe she's not guilty but responsible?
Ohhh.... I think "framed" really threw me for a loop....
Not at all, I've thought about this a lot. But then I've come to two conclusions.As was mentioned upthread, I would say she was set up. By satan. Am I the only one who's ever thought about what life would be like if they'd never fallen?
1. Were it not for sin, many of us would not have been conceived and born...
(Ponder that for a bit...Selah) 2. Even if Adam and Even not have sinned, somewhere along the lines in future generations, someone would still have eventually caved in and fallen for satan's lure and 'set-up'. Afterall, he wazzzz in the garden...in the earth.
He was kicked from Heaven and placed here on purpose, with purpose. Why not another planet, or simply destroyed completely? We needed an option to challenge our 'free will.'
Just my thoughts....
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kbragg
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No she was not set up, nor is she responsible. Eve was deceived, it was Adam who willfully sinned against God and caused sin to enter the world.
Romas 5:12-14
12Therefore, just as(A) sin came into the world through one man, and(B) death through sin, and(C) so death spread to all men because(D) all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but(E) sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not(F) like the transgression of Adam,(G) who was a type of(H) the one who was to come.
envybeauty
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lol ok I got nothing to add besides the fact that I thought you were talking about Eve the rapper
me too
me too
LOL, You guys so are funny
Eve - Was deceived. "The heart of man is desperately wicked and no man knowest it." This is what I chalk it up to.
Adam - Sinned.
GodsPromises
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I totally agree with this answer. It was Adam ( the head) who caused sin to enter into this world. I truly believe that if Adam has stood up for what God has told him, not her, sin would not had entered into the world at that time. Now like Shimmie stated before maybe someone else down the line would had fallen into sin but it would not has happened at that time. And IMHO no Eve was not framed but she fell for the tempation as we do today for some things.
to y'all thinking I was talking about Eve the rapper!:scratchchHmmmm.... that's good right there....brings clarity to my questioning....
let me think this out loud: so why would sin maybe not have entered in if Adam had stood up for what God told him? Hmmm... maybe because Adam KNEW (and maybe Eve did not know?) about avoiding that tree.... Technically Adam and Eve were on the same "level", if you will. The Lord had not yet instituted Adam as headship until AFTER the fall.... So is it that Adam could be said to be responsible to letting sin not so much because he was the head but because he was MORE accountable to the Lord than Eve was because God told Adam directly not to eat of that tree?
Follow what I'm saying/asking here?
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kbragg
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:scratchchHmmmm.... that's good right there....brings clarity to my questioning....
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Girl I ain't gonna lie I thought it too!
My first though was "I didn't know Eve was a Christian!"
And here I was getting excited for some good Christrian rap
GodsPromises
The Credit Countess
:scratchchHmmmm.... that's good right there....brings clarity to my questioning....
let me think this out loud: so why would sin maybe not have entered in if Adam had stood up for what God told him? Hmmm... maybe because Adam KNEW (and maybe Eve did not know?) about avoiding that tree.... Technically Adam and Eve were on the same "level", if you will. The Lord had not yet instituted Adam as headship until AFTER the fall.... So is it that Adam could be said to be responsible to letting sin not so much because he was the head but because he was MORE accountable to the Lord than Eve was because God told Adam directly not to eat of that tree?
Follow what I'm saying/asking here?
Now I could be wrong but I can see it both ways: I see Adam as the head even before God told him so because Adam was there first and because God created Eve from Adam's rib just for Adam.
I also believe that Adam was responsible because like you stated above God told him not to eat of the fruit of that tree so even if Eve got it wrong Adam got it from the " horses mouth" there was not misunderstanding here. DO NOT EAT IT.
Does that makes sense?
Nice & Wavy
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:scratchchHmmmm.... that's good right there....brings clarity to my questioning....
let me think this out loud: so why would sin maybe not have entered in if Adam had stood up for what God told him? Hmmm... maybe because Adam KNEW (and maybe Eve did not know?) about avoiding that tree.... Technically Adam and Eve were on the same "level", if you will. The Lord had not yet instituted Adam as headship until AFTER the fall.... So is it that Adam could be said to be responsible to letting sin not so much because he was the head but because he was MORE accountable to the Lord than Eve was because God told Adam directly not to eat of that tree?
Follow what I'm saying/asking here?
Here is what I get from this:
God told Adam to have authority over everything...that included a talking serpent.
Adam didn't use his God-given authority and let this thing happen, knowing full well what God said to him.
Adam should have said "no"...that universal word we all know and use, but he did not.
Therefore, sin entered in because of disobedience to God.
As the head of his wife, he should have takened the responsiblityfor his actions...because God gave him the opportunity to repent when He asked him (Genesis 3:11) ...yet he did not. Instead, he blamed God (here it is right here: Genesis 3:12..."The woman YOU put here with me....she gave me some fruit from THE tree and I ate it.")NIV
Do you see that? He blamed God for the woman that God gave him...ain't that a blip? Sounds familiar?????
Now, God had to put them out of the Garden of Eden (the Garden of God is what I like to call it) because of this: Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of US, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
Wow....isn't that something? If God would have kept them in the Garden after the fall, they would have had a set-back and would have eaten of the Tree of Life and then man and sin would have been around forever, because man would have sinned for eternity.
I know one thing....God knows ALL things.
Ok....ya'll can continue, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in there somewhere....hehe
ETA: Oh yeah, and their eyes were not opened to reveal their nakedness until AFTER Adam took a bite...it didn't happen when Eve ate it.
Ummmm....this is an excellent thread, RR. Five-Stars girl!
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Good word all around, N&W! I wanted to highlight this part because when I read it, it really impressed upon me the role of the husband to COVER that wife.... to truly know what it means to COVER the wife and family....A man has to really understand what it means to put on, to step into the role of a husband. Not saying that the dude will get it right every day, 24/7, but to at least be AWARE of what this responsibility is about....
Is that maybe part of the reason why (some) men are reluctant to marry?
Nice & Wavy
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I think so. Men love to love, but they hold back from making commitment because of fear...fear that they won't be able to take care of their wife/family. Fear that they won't be able to satisfy her. Fear that they won't be the man that she wanted from the beginning. Men deal in alot of fear and that's why as a woman of God who is looking for a mate, must...I repeat...must pray for him RIGHT NOW! Break the stronghold of fear over their lives...especially in the thought patterns of their mind even before you get your mate.
Men also are very visual....they like to look (don't we all know it
) They like to look at sexual areas and that is what turns them on. (Ya'll heard that stoopid song "I like big b*tts and I cannot lie..." it's the truth Ya'll know when Adam first saw Eve...he said "Whoa-man!"Literally. Now, that is normal for a man to be attracted to that, but...satan destroys this with porn and the like, that's why its so rampant in the world.
Because man are visual...they take the bait and that's why we see all this stuff on the news and hear things about people we know with men doing awful things.
There is a book called "Every Man's Battle" that I believe every woman should read. It helps you to understand what a man is made up of and how he thinks. He is not emotional....he is factual and because of that, it gets him in trouble....alot. Dh and I deal with couples all the time...trust me, we both turn red from some of the things we hear, from laughing so hard....
They don't see things like we do...God gave all women "RADAR"...that's why we could look at a person for the first time and call it out right then and there....
...oh, we knowPray, single women.....pray.
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I think so. Men love to love, but they hold back from making commitment because of fear...fear that they won't be able to take care of their wife/family. Fear that they won't be able to satisfy her. Fear that they won't be the man that she wanted from the beginning. Men deal in alot of fear and that's why as a woman of God who is looking for a mate, must...I repeat...must pray for him RIGHT NOW! Break the stronghold of fear over their lives...especially in the thought patterns of their mind even before you get your mate.
Men also are very visual....they like to look (don't we all know it
Literally. Now, that is normal for a man to be attracted to that, but...satan destroys this with porn and the like, that's why its so rampant in the world.
Because man are visual...they take the bait and that's why we see all this stuff on the news and hear things about people we know with men doing awful things.
There is a book called "Every Man's Battle" that I believe every woman should read. It helps you to understand what a man is made up of and how he thinks. He is not emotional....he is factual and because of that, it gets him in trouble....alot. Dh and I deal with couples all the time...trust me, we both turn red from some of the things we hear, from laughing so hard....
They don't see things like we do...God gave all women "RADAR"...that's why we could look at a person for the first time and call it out right then and there....
Pray, single women.....pray.
Wisdom.... my Good Lord.... wisdom is POURING through the computer screen....
And this is stuff I knew on a surface level... but reading this and pondering on this today...it's sinking in deeper.... I'm gonna get that book... to help me understand men in general more and my husband in particular....
I'm praying...Precious Wavy...I'm 'a praying.I think so. Men love to love, but they hold back from making commitment because of fear...fear that they won't be able to take care of their wife/family. Fear that they won't be able to satisfy her. Fear that they won't be the man that she wanted from the beginning. Men deal in alot of fear and that's why as a woman of God who is looking for a mate, must...I repeat...must pray for him RIGHT NOW! Break the stronghold of fear over their lives...especially in the thought patterns of their mind even before you get your mate.
Men also are very visual....they like to look (don't we all know it
Literally. Now, that is normal for a man to be attracted to that, but...satan destroys this with porn and the like, that's why its so rampant in the world.
Because man are visual...they take the bait and that's why we see all this stuff on the news and hear things about people we know with men doing awful things.
There is a book called "Every Man's Battle" that I believe every woman should read. It helps you to understand what a man is made up of and how he thinks. He is not emotional....he is factual and because of that, it gets him in trouble....alot. Dh and I deal with couples all the time...trust me, we both turn red from some of the things we hear, from laughing so hard....
They don't see things like we do...God gave all women "RADAR"...that's why we could look at a person for the first time and call it out right then and there....
Pray, single women.....pray.
"yo-ta humma - se-ah' - yo-ta" ..........
Ain't Wavy breaking it down...Praise God!
Nice & Wavy
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Girl....when you deal with as many men and women that dh and I deal with in these here areas....you learn alot.
That book is going to help you...for real. I thought I had everything down packed about my husband...until I read that book. Every chapter I kept coming out the room, looking at him with a look like..."Oh shoot
" He kept saying ..."woman, what is wrong with you." After reading that book....I learned that I was going about stuff all wrong and when I flipped the way I was handling things as a wife...girl, I got the best man in the world. I'm telling you....
Nice & Wavy
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double post
Nice & Wavy
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I'm praying...Precious Wavy...I'm 'a praying.
I AM ON THE FLOOR.....
YES, GIRL....YES, YES, YES.....
I knew you'd catch it!I AM ON THE FLOOR.....
YES, GIRL....YES, YES, YES.....
I'm in tears myself. But you know that's how 'we' pray... 'YO, Hamma, Hamma, Se-ka'...........
I'm waiting to see if RR 'caught it'.
Hey...Where's Sweet Mocha and our girl KLB...?
RR, come and yell at me for cutting up in your thread...I'm sorry.
Precious Wavy, you're on a fire roll today with the word. I'm loving and learning it. Praise God!!!Girl....when you deal with as many men and women that dh and I deal with in these here areas....you learn alot.
That book is going to help you...for real. I thought I had everything down packed about my husband...until I read that book. Every chapter I kept coming out the room, looking at him with a look like..."Oh shoot
After reading that book....I learned that I was going about stuff all wrong and when I flipped the way I was handling things as a wife...girl, I got the best man in the world. I'm telling you....
I'm also getting the book.
And pray my 'se-ka's' while I read it. I knew you'd catch it!
I'm waiting to see if RR 'caught it'.
Hey...Where's Sweet Mocha and our girl KLB...?
RR, come and yell at me for cutting up in your thread...I'm sorry.
Hey nah... you know you anointed when you can "write" your tongues.... Don't get me started.... I need to be praying right now because I just had a crying spell in my professor's office. I'm embarrassed and angry with myself.... Lord Jesus.... I want to enjoy the flow but....
Nice & Wavy
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I knew you'd catch it!
I'm waiting to see if RR 'caught it'.
Hey...Where's Sweet Mocha and our girl KLB...?
RR, come and yell at me for cutting up in your thread...I'm sorry.
I'm too done today, Shimmie...you made me laugh so hard, I had to go to the bathroom....
"Yo, hamma"....now that is hysterical.....
