Use 1 buy 1 Challenge 2009 pt.2

La Colocha said:
Your right the gpb made my hair almost mushy and i thought it was protein. maybe moisturizing proteins? It was a little greasy too.
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Prevailing knowledge on the board says it's protein...but I'm a renegade.

The thing about AO conditioners is they all have the cetyl alcohol (coconut fatty acid cream base) as a base...it's thick and very moisturizing. AO conditioners also have a lot of oils to add to the conditioning and softness. That probably contributed to the mushy, greasy feeling you got. AO conditioners are too heavy for a lot of people's hair.

The ingredients of GPB are:
Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Lactalbumin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Organic Sage Oil, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Nettle Extract, Amino Acid Complex (Cysteine, Methionine), Glycoprotein (from oyster shells), Balsam Oil, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).

The bold are considered the protein ingredients. From my research on lactalbumin (milk protein) it doesn't really do much for hair. It can't stick to it and also it's not going to penetrate. It's not even as effective as ovalbumin (egg white protein) which at least will coat the strand.

Amino acids are too small to have much effect on the hair and they'll be rinsed off easily.
Amino acids on the other hand tend to be very soluble in water so you can expect that you will remove majority of whatever you put on once you rinse your hair.
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http://thenaturalhaven.blogspot.com/2009/06/size-matters-protein-conditioning-part.html

Now the glycoprotein I have not been able to find any information on. But if you subscribe to the belief that the first 5 or so ingredients make up the bulk of a product, then there's probably not that much glycoprotein in the first place (it's the 11th ingredient).

So even though AO says this about the purpose of the conditioner...
Nutrient-rich, protein-based GPB rehydrates and reenergizes your hair, strengthens hair fiber and repairs damage from salon treatments to restore softness, manageability and shine.
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I'm hard pressed to believe, based on the ingredients, that it's really a protein conditioner. I do think it's a good conditioner though, just more moisturizing than anything else.
 
I also think it's kind of odd that AO's shampoos have hydrolyzed protein, but none of their conditioners do.
 
La Colocha said:
Do you think that, to the bolded is the reason why it makes some peoples hair hard?
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I think that's probably part of the reason, even though it's hydrolyzed soy protein which isn't a "hard" protein.

I also think that "coconut oil-corn oil soap" is probably just too harsh for most people with highly textured hair. I know in my own case, castile soap and shampoo bars (which both have saponified oils) are generally too much for my hair and cause crazy dryness. The soap in AO shampoos appears to be saponified coconut/corn oils (that's how you get soap from oils). (I think of it kind of like how regular soap dries my skin out but shower gel doesn't do that...the cleansing mechanism is different ie soap vs. sls or other surfactants. That's part of the reason why I think a lot of people do fine with sulfate shampoos...they're actually less harsh than soap based ones.)

Now, I can usually fix that dryness from the soaps by following with a really good moisturizing conditioner. It seems like AO shampoos are just extra harsh though (I've never tried them) from reviews I've read. That might be because they're meant for a different texture of hair or because it kind of forces the consumer to follow with an AO conditioner to get their softness back.
 
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La Colocha said:
I think this is my 3rd week prepooing with it and i do have a little less shedding. I don't know if its the coffee butter, the hibiscus oil or is it from changing my products. But ill see when winter comes. I don't shed alot anyway, but it was less than normal when i detangled.
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I too, have very little shedding..........:grin:
 
IDareT'sHair said:
Now...That is one little "funky" product that lives up to ALL the Hype!:lachen:
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I know but shea butter smells worse than that to me. I put some jbco on my dd's hair this morning and i smelled it. Im like i can't let this child go outside with her hair smelling like that:lachen:then i smelled it again about 1 minute later and it was gone. Its really not that bad, now shea butter, the smell does not go away.
 
La Colocha said:
I know but shea butter smells worse than that to me. I put some jbco on my dd's hair this morning and i smelled it. Im like i can't let this child go outside with her hair smelling like that:lachen:then i smelled it again about 1 minute later and it was gone. Its really not that bad, now shea butter, the smell does not go away.
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I told you it didn't last.:look: :lachen:
 
La Colocha said:
Girl don't blame that on us, you were a junky before you came up in here:lachen:. We just help you find yourself. lol. It is nice though:look:.
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Ain't that the Truth.:lachen:

Our Mission Statement: We're here to Help Educate and Assist You and Help You Make Wiser Purchases and Better Decisions in Your Product Building thus, elminating the "need" for unnecessary products purchased on a whim. And minimize your 'staples':look:

To make the most of Your Purchases, Make Better and Informed Decisions for the Overall Health of Your Hair and Make the Necessary Adjustments to your Choices, Purchases and Practices as you Develop in Your Journey.

*there....that's my statement and i'm sticking to it*:rolleyes:
 
La Colocha said:
I know but shea butter smells worse than that to me. I put some jbco on my dd's hair this morning and i smelled it. Im like i can't let this child go outside with her hair smelling like that:lachen:then i smelled it again about 1 minute later and it was gone. Its really not that bad, now shea butter, the smell does not go away.
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I HATE THE SMELL OF SHEA BUTTER!!
I whipped some with coconut oil and it's so light and good, but I never use it because of the smell. THE SMELL!!! :covereyes

panamoni said:
Am I the only one that likes the smell of JBCO?
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...yes. :look:

But I got this email from the company that I buy my JBCO from, and they offer it in lavender now. I haven't tried it, because I still have plenty JBCO left and I'm trying not to waste money. And I imagine that it smells like regular JBCO with lavender on top of it. :nono:
But I could be wrong...maybe it smells good. Here's the website. http://www.jamaicanblackcastoroil.com/

ETA: I only order with them through ebay, because for some reason, they sell it cheaper there.
 
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IDareT'sHair said:
Shay, Aggie & Other Tea Rinsers: Can You Please Elaborate on this Process. Do you just make Tea and then use it as a Final Rinse? How does that work?

I was thinking about buying some Nettle Tea, making it, letting it "cool" and then pouring it over my hair as a Final Rinse or is it more entailed?:spinning:

Also chemical damage vs heat damage: What specifically are you looking for?:look:
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I follow up my tea rinses with a moisturizing cowash. I believe Aggie dc's after hers. I have heat seable tea bags. I have premixed teas in canisters. I put a spoonful in a tea bag then seal. I put the tea bag in an applicator bottle. I add oils & honey to this then fill with hot water. By the time I get around to using it the water is cool. I apply the rinse to my hair then I use the heat cap for 30 minutes then I cowash, then end with an acv rinse.

The heat damage vs chemical damage I really don't know what I'm talking about :lachen:. I'm texlaxed and because of my texture (I think I'm 3c/4a and there may be some 4b in there too) when wet my hair curls in some parts and waves in others :giggle:. So that part that was just straight I think I let the relaxer stay on too long. I figured since my new growth was fine on those strands that it was overprocessed.

washnset said:
everytime I come into this thread, you ladies have me pull out my credit card. Im interested in buying JBCO.
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mkd said:
me too:look:
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La Colocha said:
Girl don't blame that on us, you were a junky before you came up in here:lachen:. We just help you find yourself. lol. It is nice though:look:.
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Look we PJ's up in here. We will always be thinking about products, analyzing products, trying products, changing our reggies, stalking sales, trying to resist products, and on and on and on.............
 
Chaosbutterfly said:
I HATE THE SMELL OF SHEA BUTTER!!
I whipped some with coconut oil and it's so light and good, but I never use it because of the smell. THE SMELL!!! :covereyes



...yes. :look:

But I got this email from the company that I buy my JBCO from, and they offer it in lavender now. I haven't tried it, because I still have plenty JBCO left and I'm trying not to waste money. And I imagine that it smells like regular JBCO with lavender on top of it. :nono:
But I could be wrong...maybe it smells good. Here's the website. http://www.jamaicanblackcastoroil.com/

ETA: I only order with them through ebay, because for some reason, they sell it cheaper there.
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You should buy some essential oils or fragrance oils to mask the smell.
 
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