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Relaxing the hair then getting a curly perm?
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I know.
Because, I think I put this in the other post, I'm under the impression that my type of hair texture does not take very well to texlaxing. I believe that alot of people end up with poofy hair rather than more defined little coils and ringlets like the girl in the pic. Originally, I was under the imppression that curly perms could only be done on straighter/straightish hair. I realized that I was incorrect now.Why both? Why not one or the other? Also, I don't understand why you would relax all the curl pattern out of your and then put in another chemical designed to make it curly.
BTW, your hair looks great.
If you're talking about the pic, that's not me.
Oh ok, I thought that was you. Sorry.
But yeah, curly perms are for people with naturally straight hair. Not chemically processed straight hair.
Maybe you can a curl or wave nuveau (sp) on your natural hair to loosen the texture if that's what you're going for.
Nonie
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Why both? Why not one or the other? Also, I don't understand why you would relax all the curl pattern out of your and then put in another chemical designed to make it curly.
BTW, your hair looks great.
@kandake That's the process that happens when Jheri Curls aka Curly Perms are done. The straightening takes out the kinks in the hair so that the final curls created have a smooth surface.
Curly perms are to the UK what jheri curls are to the US. I didn't even know that what I was getting done was called a jheri curl until I saw it in Ebony and the same products were being used to create it. And in Kenya we called it Curly Kit...like the kit that created it. So it's just semantics. Folks think it's a new thing but it's just a jheri curl. Relaxers were called Straight Perms in the UK. And the word perm among black folks was just used to mean permanently change the texture of the hair using a chemical. Hence the difference between curly perm and straight perm when referring to how the black person's hair ended up.
Indeed, when people with straight hair talk of getting their hair permed, they are talking about adding curls to it. I don't even think they use the phrase "curly perm". That I have only heard used by black folks.
@Riverrock is right, if she just relaxes the curl in her hair, her hair will just look like she blew it out. The effect of relaxing a curl is similar to what you get when you hold some strands and stretch them out. The kinks open up but they do not become large bouncy curls. @*Happily Me* had texlaxed hair and from far it just looked like a blowout but on close inspection, you could see the waves from loosened kinks.
IMO, OP, if you want hair that you can alternate from curls to straight, I suggest relaxing. Curlformers can help you create beautiful curls (Check out @queen_t's album...and you can do this w/o heat. If you want just bigger curls that hang and don't look poofy, then a curly perm would work, but I don't think you should be straightening it. IMO chemically processed hair is already a bit weakened and so more vulnerable to heat damage than non-processed hair. So only get a curly perm if you're happy to rock curly hair all the time. If you didn't use activator and combed your curly perm out, I suspect you'd get a look like this:
The only thing I'd suggest is you get someone who's good at doing curly perms so that the end result is elastic and doesn't just hang limply. Nakia's curls maintain their shape because her hair was not overprocessed. That was another problem that gave jheri curls a bad name. Overprocessing made it hang limp like a dead animal, especially when you added in the slime.
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Don't do it! You will lose your hair! 
nakialovesshoes
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I think this has already been answered. I don't know much about the curly perms for non-black hair. The end result curl is dependent on the size & type of rods. My stylist uses a flexi rod instead of the traditional perm rod. I use rods that are close to the size of my natural curl pattern.
Pics are in my Fotki album & my avi is a curly perm pic.
Yes, there are also pics in my album I think with my hair straightened. I had the curly perm in these pics as well. My stylist just doesn't recommend me wearing my hair curly for more than a week mainly because a curl needs moisture & you really cannot properly moisturize it while it is straight.
Why both? Why not one or the other? Also, I don't understand why you would relax all the curl pattern out of your and then put in another chemical designed to make it curly.
BTW, your hair looks great.
I will tell you why I relaxed all of my curl pattern & exchanged it for another. I have 3c, 4a, & 4b hair all on my one head. It is extremely hard for me to manage it in it's natural state. With the curl, I have a more uniform curl pattern & the maintenance is tooo easy.
OP as far as I know you cannot blow dry/flat iron your hair with a curly perm. My cousin had one for years and I tried it when I cut my hair ages ago
My hair can be flatironed. When I go, I'm washed, blowdried & flat ironed (w/just a little bit of heat protectant), just as if I had natural hair. I've also done Curlformers sets on my hair & they turned out fine.
I realize there is a negative thought pattern associated with the jheri curls of the past & I understand. Nothing has changed about the chemical, just the maintenance products. In the past people would load their hair with glycerin filled products, baggy & become a drippy mess. Now the maintenance products allow you to maintain proper moisture balance without the grease/wetness.
Though, I don't have to (per my stylist) I do still use S-Curl no drip at night & baggy. However, I only use a few squirts & it's more than enough.
I will say that I get frustrated when uninformed people make assumptions/judgements about the curl. It's a chemical process just like a relaxer. Just like with any chemical process, you have to be informed/responsible for the care of your hair. It's not any worse/better than any other chemical service. However, there is a scientific experiment published on the web (done by some Ivy League kids) that showed that thio is less damaging to the strands than sodium hydroxide.
HTH...
Myjourney2009
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nakialovesshoes
You must have what is similar to a wave nouveau this is why you can wear your hair straight.
My sister had one because her hair was a looser texture than mine she is 3bc and I am 4ab. She could wear her hair straight sometimes, where as I could never do that I always had to have the "juice"
I had a jheri curll. This specific curly perm could NEVER be worn straight.
wave nouveau= http://www.ehow.com/facts_5554748_wave-nouveau.html?ref=Track2&utm_source=ask
jheri curl: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-jheri-curl.htm
also this had a higher ph which was needed to break down the hair faster.
you know I just looked up the product you use:
http://www.irbysbeautysupply.com/Ferm.html
and yes you have what you have is similar to the nouveau,
You must have what is similar to a wave nouveau this is why you can wear your hair straight.
My sister had one because her hair was a looser texture than mine she is 3bc and I am 4ab. She could wear her hair straight sometimes, where as I could never do that I always had to have the "juice"
I had a jheri curll. This specific curly perm could NEVER be worn straight.
wave nouveau= http://www.ehow.com/facts_5554748_wave-nouveau.html?ref=Track2&utm_source=ask
jheri curl: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-jheri-curl.htm
also this had a higher ph which was needed to break down the hair faster.
you know I just looked up the product you use:
http://www.irbysbeautysupply.com/Ferm.html
and yes you have what you have is similar to the nouveau,
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nakialovesshoes
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@Myjourney2009Actually I have the Wave By Design by Design Essentials, not the Ferm. The actual jheri curl was by Jheri Redding and was supposed to have been stolen from the originator, a black man in Cali. Other than that "jheri curl" was just a general name for all thio based perms. Honestly it's the same curl, just different maintenance products. Of course the formulation may vary from brand but just like lye is the base for relaxers, thio is the base for curly perms.
empressri
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it's a wonderful way to go bald. i knew someone and help me, i was about to say she was certified but nah she didnt pass the exam, anywho she said yes you can do a relaxer and then a curly perm, and that she did it to SAID PERSON'S hair that she was using a hotcomb to straighten right at that moment.
yeaaah ole girls hair was broken off and beaten up. needless to say....
yeaaah ole girls hair was broken off and beaten up. needless to say....
Nonie
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@Whimsy Texlaxing will not give her the results she wants. If one texlaxes 4B hair, the kinks are loosened but instead of getting the look of loose curls, the look one gets is that of blown out hair. The coils in 4B hair are too small to stand out from afar when loosened so it'll just look like a blowout. Something like this:
@*Happily Me* is an example of what type 4 hair texlaxed may look like--it looks straight-ish from afar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik0XvkdiPw
Close-up, you can see the waves created by a loosening of the kinks:
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=482538
OP is aware of this and she said that that's not the look she's hoping for, hence the reason she isn't considering texlaxing or texturizing. She wants curls that stand out and that will not shrink up the way her natural hair does...but will hang and thus give less volume. Which is why she is considering smoothing out what she has now and recreating coils in a size that will give the results she wants. A curly perm would afford her that, but relaxing is not a necessary prerequisite. She can just get a curly perm and she'd have what she wants--hoping it's done by someone who is good at the craft.
