Prostitution Whores
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meesch
yeezytotme
So people got genital warts on they hands now huh? Or the same strain of HPV that causes warts on the body is transferable sexually huh?
Jesus be a 7th grade sex ed class!!!!!
Here, I googled for you.
http://teentalk.ca/can-you-get-genital-warts-from-masturbating-or-giving-a-hand-job
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/HPV-and-Fingering/show/248051
http://kidshealth.org/teen/infections/stds/std_warts.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000886.htm
The same is true for herpes, before you try that argument next.
intergalacticartist
New Member
Same difference
What does this mean?
The really stupid thing about this is that you worried about whether a chick is a prostitute or not instead of the motivations and actions of the man in questionI sweaaaaaaaaaaar chicks got the game so backwards.
So let me get this straight. You care about why a chick is tricking rather than why a dude is using her services?
What on earth difference does that make?
So first you say that it's acceptable and making it seem like most guys do it, now you're saying that it's questionable and guys shouldn't be using prostitutes?
Which is it?
Girl, I'm not understanding your reasoning.
Why do you have such low opinions of men?
meesch
yeezytotme
Google is your friend.
You should really look up strawman and understand what a strawman argument means, because your interpretation of my post that you quoted is another one.
"Men incorporate sex more frequently than women do" is not equal to "most guys use prostitutes."
"Men incorporate sex more frequently than women do" is not equal to "soliciting the services of prostitutes is okay/acceptable."
If you're going to argue against what I say, do not extrapolate statements to encompass claims that I have not made.
Here is my point of view drawn in crayon to hopefully avoid misinterpretation:
Repeat: most men incorporate sex into things more frequently than women do. This means most guys do not view things like lap dances - hand jobs - fondling and petting - and various other non-penetrative acts as "having sex." This is because services like masturbation and even oral sex have no risk of pregnancy and very low risk of STD transmission, if any at all. Note that this comment is entirely irrelevant to homosexual activities before that pops up out of nowhere.
In my opinion, "happy endings" are not soliciting the services of a prostitute, because they are accompanied by the legitimate service of a massage; and this is not something that is just done at commercial sex houses either. They are considered part of the massage.
Point two:
While I am not bothered by happy ending massages, lap dances from strippers, even blow jobs by strippers, it is a red flag for men who would frequently use these services.
The occasional happy ending - whatever. One time wtf with a stripper - I will let it slide.
Daily, weekly, regular happy endings, routine visits to strippers, repeated sexual excursions with strippers - suspect.
Distinctions matter before you go jumping and assuming what people are trying to say. Further, don't tell me what my opinions of men are and are not. That is deliberately inflammatory and putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that, so stop trying to start a wack argument with me over something YOU made up.
melophone13
Active Member
SweetNic_JA said:
That's interesting. Why would strippers bother you more than happy endings and/or other types of prostitution?
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SweetNic_JA
Well-Known Member
The warts can be transferred to any part of the body through physical contact. It can manifest on the palms. So yes. If you hard responded with a little more tact, I probably would have gone online and done some research for you...but in short you are wrong.
meesch
yeezytotme
Honey, do you know what it means that HPV comes in different strains? No, I am not wrong. But it's funny to me that you are arguing, with great conviction, something that is common knowledge
SweetNic_JA
Well-Known Member
Honey, do you know what it means that HPV comes in different strains? No, I am not wrong. But it's funny to me that you are arguing, with great conviction, something that is common knowledge
meesch I'm not your honey and I was not arguing. Besides, it's not my man (or potential) man who has gotten hand jobs. I simply introduced a point into the discussion,to which you reacted by jumping off your leash.
meesch
yeezytotme
And I simply laughed at and corrected your incorrect info.
Why you mad? Let's move on ------>
Weezy Jefferson
Lil' Mama apologist
I agree with this entire post, but especially the bolded.
SweetNic_JA
Well-Known Member
I hate to quote web articles, but I refuse to dedicate any significant part of my evening digging up real research for someone unappreciative of my efforts.
The above article doesn't explicitly mention hand jobs, but I don't think there' s a need to .
However, to support your point this next article contradicts the previous one, and contradicts other things I have read....
Medical encyclopedias are the best source, hence the reason why I think it's futile to "prove" points with these web articles
SweetNic_JA
Well-Known Member
melophone13 I didn't see your post. I think the stripper thing would bother me because I have heard so many stories about strippers offering intercourse as an additional service in private rooms. If he told me had had sexual intercourse with a stripper and/or regular street prostitute, it definitely would be a no-go.
It's the nature of the "service" that gives me more pause than anything.
yokoyokogirl
New Member
I wouldn't dump him unless the happy ending was in like the last wk, or while we were dating.
I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna tell you...in Japan (and a lot of other countries, from what I've heard) it's apparently no big deal for men to go to actual shops and pay for sexual services. Most of the time here, the women working there are just young, lazy and want quick, fast money or have some debt to pay off. Sometimes even it's housewives who want to fiend their LV/Gucci obsessions. These places even have coupons on their websites and such. It's really sick. They can operate under the law since they are "health salons", providing oral, hand jobs, and letting men touch women's privates. Sick. But according to a lot of men here it's not "sex" since there's no actual intercourse and "every man" has been to one.
It wouldn't bother me if someone I was dating went to one once, but if it was a habit or regular thing--I wouldn't stay together. What you did before meeting me, is the past, as long as it doesn't happen again (and as long as it wasn't abuse, criminal, or what-what-in-the-butt)
I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna tell you...in Japan (and a lot of other countries, from what I've heard) it's apparently no big deal for men to go to actual shops and pay for sexual services. Most of the time here, the women working there are just young, lazy and want quick, fast money or have some debt to pay off. Sometimes even it's housewives who want to fiend their LV/Gucci obsessions. These places even have coupons on their websites and such. It's really sick. They can operate under the law since they are "health salons", providing oral, hand jobs, and letting men touch women's privates. Sick. But according to a lot of men here it's not "sex" since there's no actual intercourse and "every man" has been to one.
It wouldn't bother me if someone I was dating went to one once, but if it was a habit or regular thing--I wouldn't stay together. What you did before meeting me, is the past, as long as it doesn't happen again (and as long as it wasn't abuse, criminal, or what-what-in-the-butt)
Guitarhero
New Member
Why is he demeaning his humanity and that of another by buying sex and why is he getting angry at you for being disgusted at his sense of self-worthlessness and objectification of another?
Crackers Phinn
Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
This cannot be what's hot in the streets.
Massage parlors are notorious for hoe-tivity, hence the reason 99% of folks in this thread understood some form of what a happy ending was. Dudes who go to massage parlors don't accidently end up trickin. More times than not, they researched ahead of time to know where to go so they aren't wasting their time just getting a 'massage'.
That situation is not only not in the same lane as 'dumping dudes for getting hand jobs before meeting you', that ish is a completely different freeway.
Crackers Phinn
Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Lying is not better. Where the OP went wrong was arguing the morality of the situation with ole dude. She shoulda just mentally filed that under making dude an unacceptable suitor and kept it pushing.
Dudes telling on themselves early on is a blessing because it allows us to dodge a bullet.
meesch
yeezytotme
nah, i agree with this. but i dont think it's what was said in the op. she said dude told her he likes getting massages, and has had a happy ending before. i interpreted that as going to reputable massage parlors/spas instead of commercial sex parlors where the service IS the prostitution. those are two different things, and which was which is not clear in the original post.
i didnt say anything about soliciting the services of prostitutes. im talking about happy ending massages which are not a separate cost/prostitution. that's why they're called a happy ending. get thee strawman to a corner./QUOTE]
Seriously.
Tamster
New Member
intergalacticartist
New Member
WOOOAHHHHHHH
What is all the rudeness about??
If those are your views, then it is what it is, but don't get on me because I'm trying to understand what you're saying
Have you spoken to many men and asked them this?
If it's not sex then what is it?
My point was that those things are the same (IMO) because he is seeing his sexual experience as something this not meaningful or just a release. It doesn't matter if it happens just once or many time
I'm saying you sound like you have low opinions of men because you are generalizing so plainly
What is all this bitterness about? You sound like a hurt person. I don't understand why you're so defensive and creating an argument out of nothing. I have been nothing but polite and I expect the same
meesch
yeezytotme
please. i am never bitter toward men. i am one of the few women on this board that i would say LOVES men without all the hang ups. and i for damn sure have not been treated or dogged out by men in the way the women on this forum talk about men. there is nothing for me to be bitter about, sweetie. do me a favor and don't reply to me again because i cant with the reading comprehension skills. rather, reply if you wont to, but i wont be responding.speaking generally about the topic at hand... i think, in a lot of ways, this sort of thing is kind of sad because to me it is symptomatic of a larger problem.
i think that black women as a group have really messed up attitudes about men. which makes sense, because black men as a group have messed up attitudes about women. but black women refuse to acknowledge fundamental and normative truths about men, and project this narrow mindedness in a really judgmental way. this, of course, makes men reactive and black women end up inviting the exact same type of men in their life that they think they are taking strides to avoid.
we have this whole thing with fear of dl men, which is obviously valid given the state of our community. but most bw refuse to acknowledge something like, for example, many, many men having had what would be termed "homosexual" experiences with other boys in childhood. as part of experimenting, playing "doctor" (for want of a better phrase) with other boys is reaaaaaaaaaally common in adolescent males. i'm not talking about anal sex. but still boy on boy experimentation that most black women would side eye to think their man has done. and it doesn't make a dude gay, or mean that he has inclinations toward men as an adult, but most bw would not hear of it. and then, they turn to denial, or accusations...
i think it's foolish to be in denial about the fact that most men (i would even go so far to say black men in particular) would do something like get a blowjob from a stripper as part of a private dance... or, go to a spa (NOT A COMMERCIAL SEX PARLOR) and allow the masseuse to bring him to orgasm at the end. but you tell this to a bw and she starts extrapolating this behavior into areas where it doesn't make sense and ultimately won't be helpful to her in determining acceptable attitudes and subsequent behaviors in a mate.
sprinkle into this all the ridiculous fears and ignorance and inaccurate information bw have about stds. i really cannot believe there was more than one person in this thread saying that you can get an std from someone's hand
bw act like they are afraid for a dude to poke his index finger into her arm for fear of an std, with the great irony being... bw have very proportionally high rates of stds compared to other races of women AND the irony that being open and realistic about the potential for stds and how they are transmitted is the biggest way to prevent std transmission! also known as being able to TALK to your partner about their sex history. but as this post shows, a man tries to do that and the woman starts reeling (and, imo, drawing inaccurate conclusions). bw would rather pretend it's not something THEY have to worry about, after all, they screen men with some ridiculous arbitrary system, so they just know they are doing the most to protect their health NOOOOOOOOOOOO.so basically my issue with this thread is that it is a huge personification of the exact behaviors and attitudes in bw that i think are really the root of their relationship issues. wrongheaded attitudes and leaping to perverse conclusions without being mature enough to pursue situations in a realistic and open minded manner... now i am far from saying women should accept nasty pervert behavior... and while i say that "men would get bjs from strippers" my bf wouldnt even like going to a strip club (i have been trying to get him to go to one with me, quite frankly) let along get a jobby so obviously my standards about sexual behavior and expectations in my own relationships may or may not be conservative, even...
but i often see something that looks like to me distorted thinking that is missing the mark on how to judge potential partners and like... idk, it just looks like something that is so obvious to me, i have a hard time seeing other women "not get it"...
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intergalacticartist
New Member
speaking generally about the topic at hand... i think, in a lot of ways, this sort of thing is kind of sad because to me it is symptomatic of a larger problem.
i think that black women as a group have really messed up attitudes about men. which makes sense, because black men as a group have messed up attitudes about women. but black women refuse to acknowledge fundamental and normative truths about men, and project this narrow mindedness in a really judgmental way. this, of course, makes men reactive and black women end up inviting the exact same type of men in their life that they think they are taking strides to avoid.
we have this whole thing with fear of dl men, which is obviously valid given the state of our community. but most bw refuse to acknowledge something like, for example, many, many men having had what would be termed "homosexual" experiences with other boys in childhood. as part of experimenting, playing "doctor" (for want of a better phrase) with other boys is reaaaaaaaaaally common in adolescent males. i'm not talking about anal sex. but still boy on boy experimentation that most black women would side eye to think their man has done. and it doesn't make a dude gay, or men that he has inclinations toward men as an adult, but most bw would not hear of it. and then, they get into denial, or accusatory...
i think it's foolish to be in denial about the fact that most men (i would even go so far to say black men in particular) would do something like get a blowjob from a stripper as part of a private dance... or, go to a spa (NOT A COMMERCIAL SEX PARLOR) and allow the masseuse to bring him to orgasm at the end. but you tell this to a bw and she starts extrapolating this behavior into areas where it doesn't make sense and ultimately won't be helpful to her in determining acceptable attitudes and subsequent behaviors in a mate.
sprinkle into this all the ridiculous fears and ignorance and inaccurate information bw have about stds. i really cannot believe there was more than one person in this thread saying that you can get an std from someone's hand
so basically my issue with this thread is that it is a huge personification of the exact behaviors and attitudes in bw that i think are really the root of their relationship issues. wrongheaded attitudes and leaping to perverse conclusions without being mature enough to pursue situations in a realistic and open minded manner... now i am far from saying women should accept nasty pervert behavior... and while i say that "men would get bjs from strippers" my bf wouldnt even like going to a strip club (i have been trying to get him to go to one with me, quite frankly) let along get a jobby so obviously my standards about sexual behavior and expectations in my own relationships may or may not be conservative, even...
but i often see something that looks like to me distorted thinking that is missing the mark on how to judge potential partners and like... idk, it just looks like something that is so obvious to me, i have a hard time seeing other women "not get it"...
Who said you were bitter towards men? I'm saying towards me.
How am I having reading comprehension problems? The clear problem we are having is communication. Me not understand what you're saying and vice versa. I'm talking about the posts you are writing because I'm not even coming to you with an attitude but w/e
You're the one coming with the snarkiness not me
jdvzmommy
Well-Known Member
Seriously disagree.
When you're starting a relationship with someone, why wouldn't you ask the hard questions?
Once the truth comes out, you'll have to handle it eventually.
yuhlovevybz
Well-Known Member
For what its worth, you'll get past it if you think there's something there between you two. If this is something that would cause you to leave him without a second doubt, there's nothing there.
FearlessNik
Well-Known Member
Three years ago I would have said it was an automatic no. But now I work overseas and I see things in a different light. Approximately 50% of my friends have been with a prostitute/ had a happy ending. Most of them aren't desperate loser types. I'm not promoting prostitution but I have an understanding of it. Has your man ever taken a trip to Brazil, Thailand, or the Phillipenes? Then there's a 90% chance he's been with a prostitute. In Thailand prostitution is the main 'tourist attraction'. The 'good' ladies are actually pretty clean (considering the occupation). A shower for both people is usually required, condoms are used, and the ladies are regulatory tested. I would compare it to the Red Light District. Not saying the place is 'clean', but it's a lot better than the back alley ones.
Now would I ever go to a happy ending massage? You damn skippy.
Now would I ever go to a happy ending massage? You damn skippy.