Oh My! Miss California Risks (and possibly loses) the Crown for Her Beliefs

[SvelteVelvet]

Like I said in the other thread about this in the off topic forum:

If what she said is a problem for people...this just confirms that we are living in our last days.

I was just coming here to post this! That's the exact impression I got when I heard of this story. It's something to witness, the signs of the times. Over the last 9 years the way it's culminating...you see where it's going.

I just got this thought....I have to post a new thread on it.

 

[cutiebe2]

My fiance said it jumped out at him when she spoke about being Biblically correct, b/c doesn't the Bible talk about vanity? Beauty pageants are seeped in vanity. Not to mention immodesty as so many prance around in skimpy bikinis...

I had to admit...seriously good points.

This is why I can't really give her any religious props. I don't even know if she's Cristian (maybe she said that in an interview?) He parent could have taught her homosexuality is wrong along with being black, hispanic and anything not in their world. Plus your right, in the pagent she may do things others would approve of...

In the end I think she is a brave person because we know being against homosexuality is not popular...and it may have cost her. But I can't say anything about her beyond that because I don't know anything about her...

 

[Nice & Wavy]

If what she said is a problem for people...this just confirms that we are living in our last days.

 

[MzTami]

I'd rather stay true to my belief even if it causes me to lose the crown...She will be blessed in many ways for standing with God...Besides, they shouldn't ask a question they don't want to hear the answer to.

 

[Janice]

This is why I can't really give her any religious props. I don't even know if she's Cristian (maybe she said that in an interview?) He parent could have taught her homosexuality is wrong along with being black, hispanic and anything not in their world. Plus your right, in the pagent she may do things others would approve of...

In the end I think she is a brave person because we know being against homosexuality is not popular...and it may have cost her. But I can't say anything about her beyond that because I don't know anything about her...

She was actually on an interview with Hannity last night on Fox News in which she did mention that she would not compromise her values, faith and belief and was encourging many young people to do the same as well. She also mentioned that her honoring and pleasing God was much more important than pleasing man and telling them what they wanted to hear. She never came across as this militant or radical but was very humble and firm in upholding her beliefs and not compromising on them. She was also on some morning news show in which she did mention something about the bible so I going alone the road that her answer was based on christian convictions and principles.

 

[Shimmie]

There are several things about the gay marriage issue being called their civil rights which does not make sense.

It's completely and totally obvious that well over 75% of the people in our country do not agree with the gay marriage agenda.

YET, we have judges who overlook this and ignore the votes/wills of the people and legalize such foolishness.

What's civil about that? Nothing.

I sooooooo agree with this statement from Foxy Scholar's post above...

To the point...

What is irrefutable is that marriage is de facto a ceremony, a union borne of religious tradition, and is not a legal right in and of itself in any varying form we may see fit.

If it were, polygamy would be equally as viable a marriage union. One can't argue that a man has a "right" to marry a man, and ALSO argue a man doesn't have the "right" to marry two women.

Meaning...

Either there is a strict definition of marriage or there is NO definition of marriage at all. One can't have it both ways. Draw the line somewhere or not at all.

Presently Mo'Kelly can't legally "marry" two women simultaneously. Is that discrimination?

Of course not.

This is so definitely, 'to the point.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

She won much more in my eyes....

 

[Laela]

Kudos to her!

Many people overlooked the fact that the "judge" asked her "DO YOU THINK..."

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Kudos to her!

Many people overlooked the fact that the "judge" asked her "DO YOU THINK..."

Hello!

 

[Shimmie]

Hello!

Hi Five to "Hello"!

Like the Deacons say as they nod in agreement like this ...

"Waaaaaellllllll"

Then the 'ge'tar' starts to playing' ; the organ starts to rolling, and the rest of the Church gets up and starts to dance like this:



Dinna' Dinna' Dinna' De' De' De'

Ummm ma ma ma ma -- Yo tey umm ma' Hey!

Shout!

 

[Shimmie]

She won much more in my eyes....

Say it!

Let the Redeemed of the Lord, Say So!

"So"!

 

[Shimmie]

Kudos to her!

Many people overlooked the fact that the "judge" asked her "DO YOU THINK..."

Girl! You ain't said nothing but the TRUTH! He set his own dumb self up! Not everybody thinks gay marriage is marriage. It's not. He asked a question and got the answer. The Truth!

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Hi Five to "Hello"!

Like the Deacons say as they nod in agreement like this ...

"Waaaaaellllllll"

Then the 'ge'tar' starts to playing' ; the organ starts to rolling, and the rest of the Church gets up and starts to dance like this:



Dinna' Dinna' Dinna' De' De' De'

Ummm ma ma ma ma -- Yo tey umm ma' Hey!

Shout!

Say it!

Let the Redeemed of the Lord, Say So!

"So"!

"So"!

Girl! You ain't said nothing but the TRUTH! He set his own dumb self up! Not everybody thinks gay marriage is marriage. It's not. He asked a question and got the answer. The Truth!

 

[Shimmie]

"So"!

And "SO" ! ... He reaped what he so' d'.

 

[auntie gettis]

I don't think she needed to win....'their' fake crown. It was her Destiny to make a statement. Finally someone in the Hollywood spotlight had some guts to say what needed to be said.

According to Hollywood and the media with Vermont, Mass, Iowa, gay marriage is accepted by all.

Ummmmmmm, noooooooooooooo it's not. All because folks won't speak up about it. I've yet to see/hear/read anyone from Hollywood to say they do not support gay marriage. They're scared. And that's a shame.

If they only realized just how puny and powerless satan really is. And I'm speaking about those who profess to know God and will not speak up.

Even Rick Warren is wimping out...appearing as doing a back peddle. Regarding his interview with Larry King on CNN, he wimped out. Stop stuttering your stand and just stand for God, period!

The devil is nothing and no one to fear. God said in Isaiah 14:16, that we would look at the devil and say, "Wait a ;minute! Just one cotton pickin' minute. Is THIS the one who was causing all the confusion? All of the uproar and the rucous? This puny little imp? And all this time, he had folks afraid of him? This runt of a man?

"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;" (Isaiah 14:16)

I love this scripture! devil ain't nobody scared of you!

We are the King's Kids. Why on earth are we fearful of being open with the Truth? And I don't mean that we are to be hurtful or insulting. Gays are not inhuman and Jesus is surely not untouched by their feelings...He indeed cares for them.

But there is still a stand we must take and speak up. The gay agenda has no problem speaking up. Look how nasty Perez spoke about the beauty Pagent. gays can be very 'snarky', snippy, and just plain nasty attitudes.

Look how nasty and cruel they were after Proposition 8 didn't go in their favor. They blamed Blacks for it. Truth being, gays have never had it as hard as Blacks and never will.

Hi Shimmie,

Haven't been here in a while to talk to you. But just wanted to say that I am proud of Miss California standing for what God ordained marriage to be...between a man and a woman. I read the report on CNN and did not see the video clip to critique how well she spoke. The bottom line is that she let be made know what marriage was supposed to be.

As for Perez Hilton, well he needs to take a look at himself, if he is willing. It amazes me how those who are a part of the GLBT community want to say that Christians are homophobic and closed minded when we stand against a lifestyle that is an abomination to God. But have you noticed that when someone does not agree with their lifestyle, they can be quite vicious? Take Mr. Hilton going on a "blog-rage" on Miss California after her response to the question.... HMMMMM.

Anyway, my two cents. BTW, happy belated birthday...

 

[Shimmie]

Hi Shimmie,

Haven't been here in a while to talk to you. But just wanted to say that I am proud of Miss California standing for what God ordained marriage to be...between a man and a woman. I read the report on CNN and did not see the video clip to critique how well she spoke. The bottom line is that she let be made know what marriage was supposed to be.

As for Perez Hilton, well he needs to take a look at himself, if he is willing. It amazes me how those who are a part of the GLBT community want to say that Christians are homophobic and closed minded when we stand against a lifestyle that is an abomination to God. But have you noticed that when someone does not agree with their lifestyle, they can be quite vicious? Take Mr. Hilton going on a "blog-rage" on Miss California after her response to the question.... HMMMMM.

Anyway, my two cents. BTW, happy belated birthday...

Hi Beautiful... thank you for the Birthday wishes. I've been giving 'flowers' from Hawaii to everyone. Here' one for you too.

"Mahalo"..... Auntie Gettis. ("Thank you" in Hawaiian).

As for Perez Hilton, he's just as nasty as 'snake'. He's truly a negative representation of the gay agenda. I'll be honest, most male gays are as nasty as can be in their attitude. Quite 'snippy', snarky and just plain repulsive.

Gee, where's the love from them?

God bless you, sweetheart.

 

[Aviah]

Interesting. In the West we are proud to be "liberal" and "free". The thing is liberalism in theory advocates tolerance. But what it has become, is that if you disagree with a type of tolerance your views are not tolerated
Glad she said what she meant anyway...

 

[GoingNatural]

Nicole Lamarche, Miss California 2003 and now an ordained minister at Cotuit Federated Church in Cotuit, Mass, is speaking out.

She says:

"As a pastor and a former Miss California, I am often asked to interpret what the Word of God has to say on a particular subject. I am quite confident that God prefers that we human beings stick to speaking for ourselves. And yet there are occasions when God’s Word is used as a weapon, and I feel compelled to speak.

In the past few days, much has been made of the words of Miss California USA, Carrie Prejean. She stated that marriage is between a man and a woman. I write not in response to her opinion, but rather about her comments that followed: that the Bible condones her words. She said, 'It's not about being politically correct, it's about being biblically correct.' While this sentiment is shared by many who seek to condemn gay people and gay marriage, citing pieces of the Bible to further one’s own prejudice fails to meet the Bible on its own terms.

Most people seeking to condemn gay people point to the Book of Leviticus, where we read that men lying with men is an abomination. However, we rarely hear of other verses found in the book of Leviticus that are equally challenging. For example, Leviticus also tells us that eating shrimp and lobster is an abomination. And that a person should not wear material woven of two kinds of material—an impossible mandate for a pageant contestant!

In Paul’s letter to the community in Corinth we read, ‘For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church….’ And yet these words have not prevented Christian denominations from ordaining women, such as myself. Sadly, the Bible has been used to further prejudice throughout history. We have used it to permit ourselves to enslave people; to conquer and kill; and to denigrate the earth.

The truth is that it is difficult to know for sure the intentions of the biblical authors, but we do know something about God. Those of us who know God through Jesus of Nazareth know that he went to great lengths to express God’s love to people who were labeled as outcasts. He spent time with children, prostitutes, and lepers, all of whom were labeled as outside of the grasp of the Holy. As we continue to seek God’s vision for us as a nation grounded in a love for justice, I pray that we might move closer to the cause of grace.”

via perezhilton

 

[Shimmie]

via perezhilton

Nicole Lamarche, Miss California 2003 and now an ordained minister at Cotuit Federated Church in Cotuit, Mass, is speaking out.

She says:

"As a pastor and a former Miss California, I am often asked to interpret what the Word of God has to say on a particular subject. I am quite confident that God prefers that we human beings stick to speaking for ourselves. And yet there are occasions when God’s Word is used as a weapon, and I feel compelled to speak.

In the past few days, much has been made of the words of Miss California USA, Carrie Prejean. She stated that marriage is between a man and a woman. I write not in response to her opinion, but rather about her comments that followed: that the Bible condones her words. She said, 'It's not about being politically correct, it's about being biblically correct.' While this sentiment is shared by many who seek to condemn gay people and gay marriage, citing pieces of the Bible to further one’s own prejudice fails to meet the Bible on its own terms.

Most people seeking to condemn gay people point to the Book of Leviticus, where we read that men lying with men is an abomination. However, we rarely hear of other verses found in the book of Leviticus that are equally challenging. For example, Leviticus also tells us that eating shrimp and lobster is an abomination. And that a person should not wear material woven of two kinds of material—an impossible mandate for a pageant contestant!

In Paul’s letter to the community in Corinth we read, ‘For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church….’ And yet these words have not prevented Christian denominations from ordaining women, such as myself. Sadly, the Bible has been used to further prejudice throughout history. We have used it to permit ourselves to enslave people; to conquer and kill; and to denigrate the earth.

The truth is that it is difficult to know for sure the intentions of the biblical authors, but we do know something about God. Those of us who know God through Jesus of Nazareth know that he went to great lengths to express God’s love to people who were labeled as outcasts. He spent time with children, prostitutes, and lepers, all of whom were labeled as outside of the grasp of the Holy. As we continue to seek God’s vision for us as a nation grounded in a love for justice, I pray that we might move closer to the cause of grace.”

She's obviously misusing scripture herself. She hasn't read Romans nor the book of Revelation.

ETA: I just re-read this and this woman is definitely pro-gay. It's one of satan's plants where he uses those who call themselves ministers, and yet they deny the Truth of God's order. They are as King Saul who yielded to pleasing the people rather than be man enough to yield to and obey God. It cost him his life; for the Spirit of the Lord, left him.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

And "SO" ! ... He reaped what he so' d'.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

She's obviously misusing scripture herself. She hasn't read Romans nor the book of Revelation.

ETA: I just re-read this and this woman is definitely pro-gay. It's one of satan's plants where he uses those who call themselves ministers, and yet they deny the Truth of God's order. They are as King Saul who yielded to pleasing the people rather than be man enough to yield to and obey God. It cost him his life; for the Spirit of the Lord, left him.

You said it....

 

[Shimmie]

You said it....

See, this is a battle totally against the Church. satan has 'his' ministers, his allies, his misguided 'collars', who try and make those of us who are not waivering in the Truth, appear as 'those who are bashing and hating gays' which is a lie. For then in turn, Christians who were taking a firm stand become weak and fearful and in turn 'join' the 'gay'ddy bunch' out of intimidation.

Don't they know their strength in God? The same God whom they pray to for healing and provision, is the same God who does not condone homosexuality.

It's not changing because folks wimp out or pimp out. What this woman who calls herself ordained is saying is wrong. She's a gay pastor and/or gay advocate. It's obvious. Too many are pimping Jesus as pro gay...when in reality, Jesus died to redeem them from this bondage and sin. And that's the message these fools who call themselves 'loving' of all, should be witnessing.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

See, this is a battle totally against the Church. satan has 'his' ministers, his allies, his misguided 'collars', who try and make those of us who are not waivering in the Truth, appear as 'those who are bashing and hating gays' which is a lie. For then in turn, Christians who were taking a firm stand become weak and fearful and in turn 'join' the 'gay'ddy bunch' out of intimidation.

Don't they know their strength in God? The same God whom they pray to for healing and provision, is the same God who does not condone homosexuality.

It's not changing because folks wimp out or pimp out. What this woman who calls herself ordained is saying is wrong. She's a gay pastor and/or gay advocate. It's obvious. Too many are pimping Jesus as pro gay...when in reality, Jesus died to redeem them from this bondage and sin. And that's the message these fools who call themselves 'loving' of all, should be witnessing.

You are so right, sis. They will have to answer, no doubt about it

 

[momi]

I don't think she needed to win....'their' fake crown. It was her Destiny to make a statement. Finally someone in the Hollywood spotlight had some guts to say what needed to be said.

Even Rick Warren is wimping out...appearing as doing a back peddle. Regarding his interview with Larry King on CNN, he wimped out. Stop stuttering your stand and just stand for God, period!


"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;" (Isaiah 14:16)

I love this scripture! devil ain't nobody scared of you!

I was wondering if this had made the forum yet. Can you believe this???

 

[Shimmie]

I was wondering if this had made the forum yet. Can you believe this???

momi.......... girl don't get me started...

What is it with 'folk's who have so much 'fire' in the pulpit and from behind their office desks and in front of their associate Ministers, and yet their 'fire' fizzles into a flat soda, when they get on CNN and the like? All of a sudden they back peddle.... "I'm not an activist".... PLEASE! Then you're not a Christian! What Rick is saying is that, he has chicken feathers for faith.

Jesus said, you're either hot or cold. If you're lukewarm, He'll spew you out of His mouth. No one like lukewarm or an half given relationship. We cannot straddle the fence; we either believe what we say we believe OR we don't.

Now just how hard is that Rick Warren.

Don't get me started....

For you momi ...

 

[Nice & Wavy]

momi.......... girl don't get me started...

What is it with 'folk's who have so much 'fire' in the pulpit and from behind their office desks and in front of their associate Ministers, and yet their 'fire' fizzles into a flat soda, when they get on CNN and the like? All of a sudden they back peddle.... "I'm not an activist".... PLEASE! Then you're not a Christian! What Rick is saying is that, he has chicken feathers for faith.

Jesus said, you're either hot or cold. If you're lukewarm, He'll spew you out of His mouth. No one like lukewarm or an half given relationship. We cannot straddle the fence; we either believe what we say we believe OR we don't.

Now just how hard is that Rick Warren.

:mediitate: Don't get me started....

For you momi ...

Tell it, Shimmie...

 

[inthepink]

You guys sure have the wisdom to break it down. Thank you!

 

[zanna]

What's interesting is that the clap for her response when she said was she believed in was louder than the applause for the question as it was read by Perez.

Did anyone notice Perez's facial expression? What did he expect? That just because he was asking the question that someone was going to express HIS veiw point and not their own?

I totally agree, it's like the media is trying to manipulate and brain-wash everyone into accepting or to be tolerant of this immorality, and when people refuse to be brain washed or tolerant, they are punished(like her, she was punished: she didn't win).

She was great for standing up against it.
Zanna