DelightfulFlame
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great article. check it out:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...heMilkandMeat.pdf+milk+and+meat+krs+one&hl=en
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I would take the article with a grain of salt. It is written by a non-Christian. Krs-One is supposedly a 5 percenter. 5 percenter's believe human beings are real gods and Jesus Christ is not the son of God.
This are the beliefs of 5 percenters:
1. That black people are the original people of the planet earth.
2. That black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization.
3. That the science of Supreme Mathematics is the key to
understanding man's relationship to the universe.
4. Islam is a natural way of life, not a religion.
5. That education should be fashioned to enable us to be self
sufficient as a people.
6. That each one should teach one according to their knowledge.
7. That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm,
Leg, Leg, Arm, Head.
8. That our children are our link to the future and they
must be nurtured, respected, loved, protected and educated.
9. That the unified black family is the vital building block of
the nation.
A splinter group of the Nation of Islam, "Five Percent" is also known as "Nation of Gods and Earths." That phrase refers to one of the basic tenets of the Five Percent movement: blacks are gods and women are earths. Members are known as "Five Percenters." "Five Percent" refers to the belief that only five percent of all people knows and teaches the truth. Ten percent conspires to hide the truth.
The movement calls itself "a culture" and "a way of life" and rejects being called a religion. It's teachings are referred to as "Supreme Mathematics."
The Five Percenters are a splinter group that broke away from the Nation of Islam (NOI) in 1964, under the leadership of Clarence "Pudding" 13X. The name is derived from their belief that they are the chosen five percent of humanity who live a righteous "Islamic" life and thereby have manifested the "true divine nature of the black man who is God or Allah." This group rather than the NOI was primarily responsible for disseminating, popularizing and reinterpreting the "Lessons" or teachings of Elijah Muhammad among the adolescent generation of the sixties in the New York metropolitan area. In the twenty-five years since, the influence of The Five Percent Nation or The Nation of Gods and Earths (as they are now known) has grown enormously-many of the lyrics in contemporary rap music make direct reference or strong allusion to Five Percenter ideology.
This are the beliefs of 5 percenters:
1. That black people are the original people of the planet earth.
2. That black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization.
3. That the science of Supreme Mathematics is the key to
understanding man's relationship to the universe.
4. Islam is a natural way of life, not a religion.
5. That education should be fashioned to enable us to be self
sufficient as a people.
6. That each one should teach one according to their knowledge.
7. That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm,
Leg, Leg, Arm, Head.
8. That our children are our link to the future and they
must be nurtured, respected, loved, protected and educated.
9. That the unified black family is the vital building block of
the nation.
A splinter group of the Nation of Islam, "Five Percent" is also known as "Nation of Gods and Earths." That phrase refers to one of the basic tenets of the Five Percent movement: blacks are gods and women are earths. Members are known as "Five Percenters." "Five Percent" refers to the belief that only five percent of all people knows and teaches the truth. Ten percent conspires to hide the truth.
The movement calls itself "a culture" and "a way of life" and rejects being called a religion. It's teachings are referred to as "Supreme Mathematics."
The Five Percenters are a splinter group that broke away from the Nation of Islam (NOI) in 1964, under the leadership of Clarence "Pudding" 13X. The name is derived from their belief that they are the chosen five percent of humanity who live a righteous "Islamic" life and thereby have manifested the "true divine nature of the black man who is God or Allah." This group rather than the NOI was primarily responsible for disseminating, popularizing and reinterpreting the "Lessons" or teachings of Elijah Muhammad among the adolescent generation of the sixties in the New York metropolitan area. In the twenty-five years since, the influence of The Five Percent Nation or The Nation of Gods and Earths (as they are now known) has grown enormously-many of the lyrics in contemporary rap music make direct reference or strong allusion to Five Percenter ideology.
If I'm not mistaken, he believes that you should be "Christ" and be "God".... what the??? 
DelightfulFlame
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Oh, I don't know flip about KRS One, except that he used to rap way back in the day. I didn't even get all of that out of the article. I just got the part about being Christ like. I don't really get all bent out of shape over the messenger, if the message speaks to me. Hmmm....
LondonDiva
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Busta Rhymes is supposed to be a 5 percenter.
Honeyhips
Lovely
yeah but you have to be careful the message can sound like truth but be heresy. Plus if you know he isn't a Christian, and has antichrist beliefs then the purpose of anything he rights is not to advance the Kingdom of God. So why would Christians want to read it.
DelightfulFlame said:
mkh_77
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I think he had a good message. Please people, remember that a lot of what we know, do and think it's original--it came from people in a place long ago. Many religions and cultures have similar creation stories--stories that were told long before Chirst was born and walked the earth. Is it really worth tuning people out just because they don't believe exactly as you do? If so, how will you ever serve as a witness for God? Will you simply surround yourself with like-minded people and leave everyone else to their own devices, feeling secure in your "right walk" with God? I think as Christians we need to be careful to not exhibit a "holier than thou" attitude to non-believers--what a turnoff! There is a little bit of truth in many things--even those things Christians might not like. There is truth in this article--historical truth that should not and cannot be refuted. Have open arms and embrace those who are non-believers. In doing so you just might successfully introduce someone to Jesus, and if they don't follow your lead, you have at least introduced them to Him, and if all else fails, maybe you were able to make a friend to discuss your differing religious beliefs with.
Honeyhips
Lovely
I don't think anyone has said anything about not embracing others, or turning their back on others. I say be careful what you read and hear, even if it is coming from Christians. A lot of stuff may universally sound good and even sound like God, but it isn't. The bible even speaks of many Christians becoming deceived. Just because someone says, God and Christ does not mean they are talking about a Christian one. I don't say that to disrespect anyone else religion. Matter of fact I do. But you do have to be careful about being confused by others and God's word being distorted. A lot of what KRS-one says, sounds good, and I would easily confuse it with what God says.
mkh_77
New Member
I do think Christians should be careful, but to what extent? It seems as if a lot of people are quick to turn their backs on those who don't believe EXACTLY what they do, and that is what I am writing about. Yes, KRS One isn't a Christian, but his article does have HISTORICAL FACTS in it, and those shouldn't be overlooked because they were written about by a non-believer.
The references KRS One made in regards to Jesus are not unlike many of the references to Him made in places of worship. Are you saying a non-believer can't be a teacher of the FACTS surrounding Jesus?
American money has references to things written about in this very article, and I don't see any Christians looking at their money in disgust and being worried about the message they receive from the symbolisims present!
The references KRS One made in regards to Jesus are not unlike many of the references to Him made in places of worship. Are you saying a non-believer can't be a teacher of the FACTS surrounding Jesus?
American money has references to things written about in this very article, and I don't see any Christians looking at their money in disgust and being worried about the message they receive from the symbolisims present!
DelightfulFlame
New Member
Honeyhips said:
A lot of things that people who call themselves Christian say sound like anti-christ stuff to me. My point is that I don't care what label a person claims if the message is a good one. God has given me a Spirit to discern and bear witness to what's what. God has also given me a brain. I can't live in a shell with my finger in my ears...I just don't do that.
This is the same age old argument that was used against Jesus. Who is he? The Messiah? Yeah right, that's the carpenter's son.
From what I read, there was no anti-Christian rhetoric in the article.
Honeyhips
Lovely
I never questioned your discernment. and I think I pointed out that even Christians don't always speak the truth. I also didn't say to turn a def ear and live in a shell. All I'm saying is not all good things are God, and you have to be careful/discerning. I'm not arguing for or against KRS-One.
DelightfulFlame said:
JuJuBoo
Child of THE King!
DelightfulFlame said:
okay...went through the article...and it burned me up.
This kat is not saying to be "Christ like." THAT, I can agree with. This guy is saying that we ARE Christ. There is ONE Christ, and the Bible makes that very clear. Being "Christ like" and saying you ARE the Christ are two totally seperate, COMPLETE OPPOSITE things.
JuJuBoo
Child of THE King!
mkh_77 said:
I understand what you're saying, but spewing facts does not impress me at ALL. There's a little bit of truth in EVERY lie.
SATAN HIMSELF used facts to tempt Jesus--he used the WORD OF GOD for pete's sake, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that Satan's still a DEVIL a LIAR and a CHEAT.
JuJuBoo
Child of THE King!
mkh_77 said:
Again, I understand what you're saying, but my response to THIS article has nothing to do with tuning people out, or not having "open arms." My ears are open, I'm listening...and I'm still saying, that article was RIDICULOUS.
If somebody comes out with some MESS talking about "you're the Christ" you betta BELIEVE I'm going to take a stand for my GOD, and say that's straight up BLASPHEMY and nothing less. There is ONE Christ....JESUS. YES, we're supposed to strive to be Christ LIKE, but you must be kidding me if somebody's gonna try to walk around telling individuals "YOUR the Christ...You'd GOD!" That burns me up BIG TIME. That insults me, and that insults my God.
I apologize for being so blunt. I'm just so....flustered because that article is OBVIOUSLY not in line with Christ's (the real one, the ONLY one, JESUS) teaching...not in the LEAST.
Seeing God's Word twisted into lies makes me angry, and I hate the fact that every time a Christian exposses it as such, it's interpretted as "oh their being 'holier than thou.'" ....no, it's called "that's not in line with the Word of God and I'm gonna SAY something about it!"
That article was nothing short of Satanism. Worshipping yourSELF, giving yourSELF credit, and elevating yourSELF to the level of God. Gee, who does that sound like?!?!?!? While it had SOME fact in it, there's a whole lotta LIES, and the main THESIS is a lie.
Don't worry, I wasn't yelling at any of you. I was yelling at the article. 
DelightfulFlame
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LOL...wow. I guess I missed all of that. Everyone would agree that we are God's children I assume. And everyone would agree that Christ is the Christian's greatest example. So I guess I don't see what the problem with the article is...striving to be Christ in your own personal life?
Of course no one will ever be JESUS Christ. The author even states that.
Of course no one will ever be JESUS Christ. The author even states that.
nurseN98
Ayiti cherie
I'm sorry, but I just read this and I don't find it blasphemous at. At the beginning of the article, he speaks of how the idea of what is called a "Christ" was already on the earth. Other cultures/civilisations had their own "Christ" and Jesus is the Christian's "Christ". We all know that Christ was NOT Jesus' last name, that was the title given to him in recognition of the impact he had and his action of saving the gentile/non-believer at that time.
So when I get to the end of the article, I don't see KRS-ONE being blasphemous when he says for us to be "the Christ" on the job or at home or whatever. He is clearly NOT saying for us to go around as if we are Jesus and tell people we will save them or do miracles for them as Jesus did. He is saying to be loving and selfless as Jesus was.
From the article:
"The truth of the matter is that most people are simply too afraid to be God. Yes, be God!Not to posture as if they are God! Or that they are the creator and sustainer of theuniverse; but very simply, many people are afraid to be the light of their own world. And being the light of your world, selfless and loving is the Christ. Ye are the light of theworld. A city that is set on a hill, cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put itunder a bushel, but on a candlestick; and giveth light unto all that are in the house. Letyour light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify yourFather which is in heaven (Matthew 5:14-16). However, many well-intentioned, kind-hearted, religious people are simply too afraid to answer someone else’s prayer on behalfof God. Many well-intentioned people are simply too afraid to love, too afraid to forgive,to trust, to respect"
He is saying what we have already read in the Bible! We talk the talk and we need to walk the walk. I don't think that is blasphemous at all based on my comprehension of the article. It calls Christians to act on all that we have learned and continue to learn about Jesus and his character and put it to use. And not just be satisfied w/just going to church and then getting home and forgetting everything we've learned until the next Sunday.
JMHO
So when I get to the end of the article, I don't see KRS-ONE being blasphemous when he says for us to be "the Christ" on the job or at home or whatever. He is clearly NOT saying for us to go around as if we are Jesus and tell people we will save them or do miracles for them as Jesus did. He is saying to be loving and selfless as Jesus was.
From the article:
"The truth of the matter is that most people are simply too afraid to be God. Yes, be God!Not to posture as if they are God! Or that they are the creator and sustainer of theuniverse; but very simply, many people are afraid to be the light of their own world. And being the light of your world, selfless and loving is the Christ. Ye are the light of theworld. A city that is set on a hill, cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put itunder a bushel, but on a candlestick; and giveth light unto all that are in the house. Letyour light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify yourFather which is in heaven (Matthew 5:14-16). However, many well-intentioned, kind-hearted, religious people are simply too afraid to answer someone else’s prayer on behalfof God. Many well-intentioned people are simply too afraid to love, too afraid to forgive,to trust, to respect"
He is saying what we have already read in the Bible! We talk the talk and we need to walk the walk. I don't think that is blasphemous at all based on my comprehension of the article. It calls Christians to act on all that we have learned and continue to learn about Jesus and his character and put it to use. And not just be satisfied w/just going to church and then getting home and forgetting everything we've learned until the next Sunday.
JMHO
Sweet C
Well-Known Member
Ok, I finally got a chance to read the article and it was a interesting read, and it had some good points and bad points:
1. He shuns the "nobody's perfect" mentality attitude that some Christians have which is very good. We are to all strive to be like Christ and to grow spiritually.
2. When he says be Christ, from one perspective, I look at it as the fact that you on your jobs, schools, etc. will be the closest thing that anyone will see to Christ. How are you representing that responsibility?
3. He state that: While you are a babe in your spiritual understanding, the Bible serves as your milk whilethe Church serves as your nursery. The strong meat of advanced spiritual living isreserved for those who have outgrown the milk and the nursery. So this leads one to ask, do you outgrow the church, since after all it is the nursery.
4. He mentions all of the "Christs" that have existed before Jesus came on the seen. Ok, interesting history bit, but he fails to distinguish Jesus Christ from the other christs. We doesn't deny that Jesus was Christ, but also doesn't deny that these other people weren't either. See the other christs were worshipped as god b/c of the state of self sacrifice and the lives these people led which in some ways could easily lead one to believe that you can obtain the state of being Christ yourself and then you too would be worshipped. We know that Jesus was Christ, because he was God on earth, not man trying to obtain a state of godlinesss.
5. He stated that the milk was the Word of God (bible), while the bread of God is righteousness through example by helping others. I understand where he is trying to go (i.e. as you spiritually mature, you will be able to lead others through your example of being like Christ), but the statement he made isn't biblically supported. The bible states that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God (Luke 4:4). So if we are to live off the Word, how can that be considered milk?
Overall, this article was ok, but with when read has a lot of confusion in it (and you know God is not the author of confusion). I was turned off by the "Being Christ" reference as suppose to being "Christ like", but one thing that really bugged me was the fact that with all this "being Christ" said, there is no mention of the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 states that the Holy Spirit is who helps teach you, so why no mention?
I went to the website and I was a bit confused with the temple of hip-hop bit, b/c after further examination, it goes into some stuff that highly resembles Gnosticism. KRS-One's article did ring a true point that Chrisitans need to focus on being an example, but the truth of the matter is that he didn't reallly give true direction as of how to get there. He threw out scriptures to make his point, but never pulled them together and point to the role of the Holy Spirit, prayer, reading God's Word, fasting, and other biblical concepts which are essential to those who are Christians.
1. He shuns the "nobody's perfect" mentality attitude that some Christians have which is very good. We are to all strive to be like Christ and to grow spiritually.
2. When he says be Christ, from one perspective, I look at it as the fact that you on your jobs, schools, etc. will be the closest thing that anyone will see to Christ. How are you representing that responsibility?
3. He state that: While you are a babe in your spiritual understanding, the Bible serves as your milk whilethe Church serves as your nursery. The strong meat of advanced spiritual living isreserved for those who have outgrown the milk and the nursery. So this leads one to ask, do you outgrow the church, since after all it is the nursery.
4. He mentions all of the "Christs" that have existed before Jesus came on the seen. Ok, interesting history bit, but he fails to distinguish Jesus Christ from the other christs. We doesn't deny that Jesus was Christ, but also doesn't deny that these other people weren't either. See the other christs were worshipped as god b/c of the state of self sacrifice and the lives these people led which in some ways could easily lead one to believe that you can obtain the state of being Christ yourself and then you too would be worshipped. We know that Jesus was Christ, because he was God on earth, not man trying to obtain a state of godlinesss.
5. He stated that the milk was the Word of God (bible), while the bread of God is righteousness through example by helping others. I understand where he is trying to go (i.e. as you spiritually mature, you will be able to lead others through your example of being like Christ), but the statement he made isn't biblically supported. The bible states that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God (Luke 4:4). So if we are to live off the Word, how can that be considered milk?
Overall, this article was ok, but with when read has a lot of confusion in it (and you know God is not the author of confusion). I was turned off by the "Being Christ" reference as suppose to being "Christ like", but one thing that really bugged me was the fact that with all this "being Christ" said, there is no mention of the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 states that the Holy Spirit is who helps teach you, so why no mention?
I went to the website and I was a bit confused with the temple of hip-hop bit, b/c after further examination, it goes into some stuff that highly resembles Gnosticism. KRS-One's article did ring a true point that Chrisitans need to focus on being an example, but the truth of the matter is that he didn't reallly give true direction as of how to get there. He threw out scriptures to make his point, but never pulled them together and point to the role of the Holy Spirit, prayer, reading God's Word, fasting, and other biblical concepts which are essential to those who are Christians.
Honeyhips
Lovely
I just recentely learned through the exministries dvd and my own research that hip hop started as a religion, and not just a form of music. if you go to zulu nation.com they will give you the history better than I could. THey believe that all the gods of the different religion are valid, that Jesus was a man (I think), and that we should not call on the name of Jesus, and that we are all gods as well. I'm totally paraphrasing. So that kinda explaines why there is a temple of hiphop. It is a religion to some.
SC, what you stated are the reasons why I had a problem, but thought it was "good" too. LIke you said, it can cause confusion, and we know who is the author of that. Thank you for saying it better than I could.
SC, what you stated are the reasons why I had a problem, but thought it was "good" too. LIke you said, it can cause confusion, and we know who is the author of that. Thank you for saying it better than I could.
JuJuBoo
Child of THE King!
Sweet C said:
yes...you said it more eloquently than I did.
It just aggrevates me to see people give wishy washy Word....and that's exactly what this article was.
The way I see it, the root of this article is "selfishness." Selfishness all rosied up with "self-lessness" and "being the Christ." I'm not buying it at ALL.
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