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I think pinkcube approved danabnaturals shortened version where she used BS mixed in conditioner just before step 4. I get what you're saying though because Audrey Sivasothy says the same thing in her new book in that your pH values should gradually decrease as you finish to styling.

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Not sure if I recall her method correctly but I'm thinking DanaB's conditioning step would be in the same spot as our step 2. I'm thinking what she does after that step brings the ph down versus bumping it back up.

Wherever the moisture introducing step is, I am thinking the ph starts to lower on the next step.
 
Not sure if I recall her method correctly but I'm thinking DanaB's conditioning step would be in the same spot as our step 2. I'm thinking what she does after that step brings the ph down versus bumping it back up.

Wherever the moisture introducing step is, I am thinking the ph starts to lower on the next step.

I think you could be right. Dana's is:

1. Clay mix
2. DC/BS mix
3. Leave in
4. Gel

So maybe the BS mixed with conditioner keeps the pH at or slightly lower than her step 1.

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I think you could be right. Dana's is:

1. Clay mix
2. DC/BS mix
3. Leave in
4. Gel

So maybe the BS mixed with conditioner keeps the pH at or slightly lower than her step 1.

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I'm not saying that the ph of step 2 has to be the same or lower than step 1. Sorry for the confusion. I'm saying that whatever step comes after the conditioning step needs to be the same as the conditioning step or lower.

For either Pinkecube or DanaB's method, we want the ph of step 3 to be less than or equal to the ph of step 2.

DanaB's leave-in will be a lower ph than the conditioner with baking soda.

For Pinkecube followers, we may want to make sure that the clay step has a ph less than or equal to the ph of the conditioner step.
 
I'm not saying that the ph of step 2 has to be the same or lower than step 1. Sorry for the confusion. I'm saying that whatever step comes after the conditioning step needs to be the same as the conditioning step or lower.

For either Pinkecube or DanaB's method, we want the ph of step 3 to be less than or equal to the ph of step 2.

DanaB's leave-in will be a lower ph than the conditioner with baking soda.

For Pinkecube followers, we may want to make sure that the clay step has a ph less than or equal to the ph of the conditioner step.

Oh, I see and understand. Thanks for the clarification.

ETA: Ok wait...I think too much, sorry. Isn't the clay in step 3 higher in pH than the conditioner in step 2? In mhm, the pH goes like this (I think):

Steps considering use if BS:
1 - alkaline, High pH
2 - acidic, pH lowered
3 - alkaline, pH increased
4 - acidic, pH lowered
5 - acidic, pH lowered

In the case of the mhm, didn't the pH increase after the conditioning step with the clay? The reason I'm asking is because what you said makes perfect sense to me but it's contradicted in the this method.

However in Dana's shortened version which she omitted the DC step; the pH values:

1 - high pH with clay mix
2 - (I think) she increased pH with conditioner/BS mix?
3 - Lowered PH
4 - continued to lower ph

Her regimen match your understanding best to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to find fault in our (mhm), just want to weigh them both.

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I did the regimen as directed but I did steps 3-5 differently this time. Step 3, left on hair for about 15 minutes and steamed another 15 and rinsed. Step 4, mixed my leave in (TN) with 1tsp BS, waited about a minute and rinsed. Even though this extra step lifted my cuticles, my hair still felt very soft after rinsing. Applied leave in again and slid the foam off then soaked my hair with water. Step 5, even though I have a very tiny TWA, I was still able to smooth and rake the gel thru my curls. My hair look amazing while wet with product and nice w/o! Does Anyone know if gray hair is more resistant to the treatment? My patch is working my last nerve. Sent from my SM-N900V using LHCF
My gray hair is weird and wiry. It seems drier but coils right along with the rest. I still find the occasional very long, very straight gray hair which is totally crazy because I don't know where they hide.
 
My gray hair is weird and wiry. It seems drier but coils right along with the rest. I still find the occasional very long, very straight gray hair which is totally crazy because I don't know where they hide.

Lol, I know what you mean! Even after my recent cut, I'm still finding those random straight strands. I think they're playing peek-a- boo, lol

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Oh, I see and understand. Thanks for the clarification.

ETA: Ok wait...I think too much, sorry. Isn't the clay in step 3 higher in pH than the conditioner in step 2? In mhm, the pH goes like this (I think):

Steps considering use if BS:
1 - alkaline, High pH
2 - acidic, pH lowered
3 - alkaline, pH increased
4 - acidic, pH lowered
5 - acidic, pH lowered

In the case of the mhm, didn't the pH increase after the conditioning step with the clay? The reason I'm asking is because what you said makes perfect sense to me but it's contradicted in the this method.

However in Dana's shortened version which she omitted the DC step; the pH values:

1 - high pH with clay mix
2 - (I think) she increased pH with conditioner/BS mix?
3 - Lowered PH
4 - continued to lower ph

Her regimen match your understanding best to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to find fault in our (mhm), just want to weigh them both.

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:lol: That takes us back to msbettyboops original question. She says her clay pH is 8 and wanted to know if that's a good value.

So as to not go through the loop again and to sum it up, I put acv in my clay so the pH is lower than the conditioning step. That's just me and my hair.
 
:lol: That takes us back to msbettyboops original question. She says her clay pH is 8 and wanted to know if that's a good value.

So as to not go through the loop again and to sum it up, I put acv in my clay so the pH is lower than the conditioning step. That's just me and my hair.

Gotcha!!!

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If I owned my house I would get a whole system but I have the Sprite shower head kind. I'll use hot water from the shower to mix my clay. The filter lasts around 3 months and I've changed it once.

Where did you get the Sprite shower head? Did you just change out the shower head? Thanks for keeping me know
 
Where did you get the Sprite shower head? Did you just change out the shower head? Thanks for keeping me know

No peoblem:) I did a bit of research and ended up ordering via Amazon. And yes, it was that simple- just twist off my original shower head (I was in need of a new one anyway so it was good timing) and replace with the Sprite. The filters are also easy to replace.
 
I'm not sure who, in a previous post, suggested diluting the Bentonite clay to a more liquid consistency, but whoever said it, I just want to say thank you! My application process was a breeze and much better on my hair. I still got the clumps but it was way easier to apply. So thank you whoever you are! :)
 
My edges, sides and nape are making great strides towards mh...I wish my crown and top would get the memo. After today, I plan to do DanaB's shortened version for about a week and see how that goes. I'll let you guys know if progress continues to be slow and steady while on it or of it gives me a moisture boost.

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Am I the only one who is amazed at how much legnth is being retained by following the MHM regimen. I'm shocked.

I notice that when I use warm/hot water on my hair, this is sometimes enough to open up my hair and allow the moisture in. Especially when I've gone days without using too many products on my hair, I'll skip the BS or ACV and just let the warm/hot water rinse away my hair and open up my cuticles. Does anyone experience this as well?
 
Am I the only one who is amazed at how much legnth is being retained by following the MHM regimen. I'm shocked.

I notice that when I use warm/hot water on my hair, this is sometimes enough to open up my hair and allow the moisture in. Especially when I've gone days without using too many products on my hair, I'll skip the BS or ACV and just let the warm/hot water rinse away my hair and open up my cuticles. Does anyone experience this as well?

No you're not the only one...my hair is growing like weeds! I had my hair cut a week ago today and she cut too low where my TWA wash and go was ALL scalp after after steps 4&5. Now its mostly filled in and looks good! I agree, warm/hot not only opens my cuticles but it feels amazing on my scalp! My shower sprayer detaches so I just kneel besides the tub and soak my hair, I love it! I never use anything other than nearly hot water, especially if I'm CW which by the way has been a short while.

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No you're not the only one...my hair is growing like weeds! I had my hair cut a week ago today and she cut too low where my TWA wash and go was ALL scalp after after steps 4&5. Now its mostly filled in and looks good! I agree, warm/hot not only opens my cuticles but it feels amazing on my scalp! My shower sprayer detaches so I just kneel besides the tub and soak my hair, I love it! I never use anything other than nearly hot water, especially if I'm CW which by the way has been a short while. Sent from my SM-N900V using LHCF

Retention is why I do the program. I don't need the definition I do the program for the retention and no tangles. This program is great for so many reasons.
 
I'm glad you're benefiting from the method! I'm not sure when/if I'll work to grow and retain length after I reach mh...all I know is I love my new curls and shine and honestly that is my motivation right now.

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#mhmproblems, my hair used to shrink adequately before. It is now grown to the length that even when shrunken, it is starting to brush the shoulders of my clothing. Good but not good. Might be time to give up wash and gos.

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@KiWiStyle

Have you read this blog: http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2014/09/curl-clumping-in-type-4c-hair-hair.html It may help answer a lot of your questions about PH. I think she states that the PH of clay isn't accurate because its not water based...or something like that.

I'm not sure who, in a previous post, suggested diluting the Bentonite clay to a more liquid consistency, but whoever said it, I just want to say thank you! My application process was a breeze and much better on my hair. I still got the clumps but it was way easier to apply. So thank you whoever you are! :)

I *think* that people aren't diluting it enough and therefore their clay mix has a super high ph.

To the question of ph levels throughout the five steps, I've watched enough kimmaytube to know the deal. :lol: Which is why I use ACV for step one (only did the CLT once). Imo, that's part of the elegance of the regimen ('elegant' like a mathematical proof, not like a dress :lol:), the fact that ph monitoring is built in.
 
Retention is why I do the program. I don't need the definition I do the program for the retention and no tangles. This program is great for so many reasons.

Exactly I could care less about the curls, lol, I'm loving the moisture and legnth retention!:yep:
 
Anyone tried mixing their clay with milk instead of water and what were the results?

I did. Its probably great for low density hair. It was way too much for my hair. I can barely work stuff through my hair as it is. It makes the clay really thick. I should have added some water to it to thin it out but didn't think of it until I was finished. :ohwell:
 
Am I the only one who is amazed at how much legnth is being retained by following the MHM regimen. I'm shocked. I notice that when I use warm/hot water on my hair, this is sometimes enough to open up my hair and allow the moisture in. Especially when I've gone days without using too many products on my hair, I'll skip the BS or ACV and just let the warm/hot water rinse away my hair and open up my cuticles. Does anyone experience this as well?
I can't say amazed but pleasantly surprised and looking forward to my 1 year post, length check.
 
I used organic whole milk and honey in my bentonite clay instead of water, olive oil and honey and my hair feels alot more moisturized after rinsing it out. Also the curls hang more. You guys should try using milk instead of water esp if you are low porosity. I can't wait to try it with my rhassoul clay!
 
I am taking out my mini twists and I plan to start the MHM method for a few weeks.

I plan on following PinkCube's method but I have a question. I am currently taking deep water aerobics and while I wear a cap my edges still get chlorine. I am thinking the baking soda or ACV will take care of it but I am not sure.

Any thoughts??
 
Did a midweek wash but not really mhm. Water rinsed and then spritzed my hair with alkaline water. I cowashed with curl junkie. Then I used a little diluted mud puddle. Put in my leave in and twisted up with as I am twist cream.

I will do the full regi on Friday.
 
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