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I went back to work this week and it was so funny. I had 2 "flat" twists (I can't braid and they were by no means flat lol) and my hair is so highly textured that some people thought from far away that I still had my locs!! I was supposed to rinse tonight but I'm feeling some kind of way about this shower head & rinsing situation.

I don't know of any protein conditioners that would be approved for this regimen. Have you tried doing the Cherry Lola caramel treatment utilizing the optional egg?

If you aren't following MHM strictly, I've had good luck with Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor and Joico k-pak. Unless you're battling damage or breakage, I wouldn't use anything stronger than those two.
Thank you. I haven't done the clt/clct....... I'm willing to try it, though, as a protein newbie. I only have the ingredients for the clt, not the caramel one. So, it would be CLT and then clay wash? or clt, conditioner, and then clay? I'll pick up a commercial protein product later, if necessary.
 
I washed my hair yesterday and DC overnight. This morning I applied my gel for a wng today. I have been kinda slacking with following MHM product recommendations. Here lately I've been using deva curl no poo cleaning conditioner to clarify and camile rose curl maker for my gel. I'm still consistent with the DC. However, I keep the DC in my hair and apply the gel on top of the DC; so basically using the DC as my leavein. I have stopped using the clay now since I colored my hair.

If I start to notice a change in my hair ie more frizz, breakage etc... I will go back to following the correct MHM. So far, my hair seems to be responding well. I ran out of my deva curl so yesterday I used bath and body works eucalyptus conditioner and then applied shea moisture shampoo on my scalp. My hair felt really good. I def plan on going back to ACV its just that I ran out of that too.
 
I've been slacking big time with my hair since I wig it up and I can tell. I finished a CLT (the regular version), followed by a MHM Approved DC, and I'm getting ready to rinse out my clay mix. My hair feels thinner and I think I need a trim. I'm going to try my best to go back to my 2X per week schedule because it was working. Hair is just a chore to me sometimes. :mad: I'm even dreading going back in the shower to rinse out this clay. Oh well.
 
I did the clt for the first time yesterday. I don't know what the science is behind it but I like the results anyway and will definitely do again. Maybe biweekly. I put the clay directly on top of it and rinsed at least five times per section- 10 small sections works MUCH better than 8 medium sections. I put my diluted KCCC in a spray bottle and applied to each dripping wet section while I was still in the shower; despite being dripping wet, most of my hair dried within an hour. The 2 or 3 inches closest to the scalp stayed damp & there are still places damp now. I think it was the quickest that I've done my new hair. For bed time, I did two loose sections and I've banded them to stretch my wash-n-go. The challenge this week is to get the wash-n-go to last but still get some water on my head.

My only question is about shedding vs. breakage: does shedding always have the bulb/root at the end? If during detangling, I have long, long hairs w/o the bulb and the random short hair (which I always thought was breakage)- but NONE of them have bulbs, should I be concerned?
 
I want as simplified a hair regimen as possible. My hair has been super tangled recently, ssks galore and I figured it was because I hadn't been washing with clay.

I mixed rhasspul, acv, glycerin, castor oil and filtered water together. My mixture was super watery but the rhassoul gave me crazy curl definition. I never notice much of a difference when I use traditional deep conditioners, but this clay mixture was cleansing amd crazy conditioned.

After that, i used wen, the mint kind and my hair immediately frizzed up. So I think its safe to say that my hair becomes frizzy and undefined when I use conditioner. Such a bizarre thing, but that's kust how it is. The rhassoul clay mixture is amazing though. So happy Ive finally tried it. Curl definition and super soft.
 
I want as simplified a hair regimen as possible. My hair has been super tangled recently, ssks galore and I figured it was because I hadn't been washing with clay.

I mixed rhasspul, acv, glycerin, castor oil and filtered water together. My mixture was super watery but the rhassoul gave me crazy curl definition. I never notice much of a difference when I use traditional deep conditioners, but this clay mixture was cleansing amd crazy conditioned.

After that, i used wen, the mint kind and my hair immediately frizzed up. So I think its safe to say that my hair becomes frizzy and undefined when I use conditioner. Such a bizarre thing, but that's kust how it is. The rhassoul clay mixture is amazing though. So happy Ive finally tried it. Curl definition and super soft.

It could be the ingredients in the conditioner that is causing the frizz. I noticed when I use products where Glycerin is in the 1st five ingredients, my hair wont respond well. Have you tried using one of the approved MHM conditioners? My fav is tressume undone conditioner.
 
I did the clt for the first time yesterday. I don't know what the science is behind it but I like the results anyway and will definitely do again. Maybe biweekly. I put the clay directly on top of it and rinsed at least five times per section- 10 small sections works MUCH better than 8 medium sections. I put my diluted KCCC in a spray bottle and applied to each dripping wet section while I was still in the shower; despite being dripping wet, most of my hair dried within an hour. The 2 or 3 inches closest to the scalp stayed damp & there are still places damp now. I think it was the quickest that I've done my new hair. For bed time, I did two loose sections and I've banded them to stretch my wash-n-go. The challenge this week is to get the wash-n-go to last but still get some water on my head.

My only question is about shedding vs. breakage: does shedding always have the bulb/root at the end? If during detangling, I have long, long hairs w/o the bulb and the random short hair (which I always thought was breakage)- but NONE of them have bulbs, should I be concerned?

It's a possibility that it could be breakage. How much breakage are you noticing? Have you noticed any uneven sections of hair? I'll have to do some research about long shed hairs w/o bulbs; b/c honestly I don't know. I always thought that in order for it to be shed hair you have to see the bulb. As far as the random short hair's; that sounds like breakage. I have random short breakage with almost every wash. For me, as long as it's not more than 10-20 hairs of breakage, I don't get too concerned. Here lately I've been only washing my hair once a week out of laziness so some breakage is expected.
 
I did the clt for the first time yesterday. I don't know what the science is behind it but I like the results anyway and will definitely do again. Maybe biweekly. I put the clay directly on top of it and rinsed at least five times per section- 10 small sections works MUCH better than 8 medium sections. I put my diluted KCCC in a spray bottle and applied to each dripping wet section while I was still in the shower; despite being dripping wet, most of my hair dried within an hour. The 2 or 3 inches closest to the scalp stayed damp & there are still places damp now. I think it was the quickest that I've done my new hair. For bed time, I did two loose sections and I've banded them to stretch my wash-n-go. The challenge this week is to get the wash-n-go to last but still get some water on my head.

My only question is about shedding vs. breakage: does shedding always have the bulb/root at the end? If during detangling, I have long, long hairs w/o the bulb and the random short hair (which I always thought was breakage)- but NONE of them have bulbs, should I be concerned?










The Difference Between Shedding and Breakage
20 Natural Hair Care Shedding + Breakage
by Black Girl With Long Hair – December 18, 2011




By Audrey Sivasothy, author of The Science of Black Hair: A Comprehensive Guide to Textured Hair Care

Understanding the difference between hair breakage and shedding is an important part of any healthy hair regimen. Many people use these terms interchangeably to refer to any hair that falls from the head; however, this misinformed language can be a recipe for hair disaster. You must be able to properly differentiate between these two very specific forms of hair “loss” in order to effectively address even the smallest of your hair needs. This article will teach you the difference between hair shedding and hair breakage, and offer strategies to help you combat both hair problems.

What is Shedding
In its truest sense, shed hair is hair that has reached the end of its growing cycle and naturally falls from the scalp along with its tiny, white “root” attached. This is not the actual hair root that is secured deeply within your scalp, but it is the bulb root or base of the hair strand found on the scalp-originating end. It appears white because the hair stops producing melanin (color) at the point in its growth cycle right before it gets ready to fall. If your actual hair root came out along with the hair, you would no longer be able to produce hair from that same place on the scalp ever again! If a hair does not possess this white root bulb, then it is not a naturally shed hair, rather, a broken one. Shed hair tends to be longer in length than broken hairs which are generally short pieces of varying lengths. According to Halal, after a hair is naturally shed, it may take about 130 days for a new hair to fully emerge in its place.

In general, shedding should not be a major concern for you and should be seen as a sign of a healthy, normal, functioning scalp. There is no need to fear shedding unless it is tied to a medical issue. If you notice rapid hair loss from shedding or hair loss accompanied by a host of other problems, please consult a medical professional. Most shedding, however, is simply nature taking its course.

What is Breakage?
Breakage on the other hand is not natural, and is an indication of an imbalance of important forces within the hair strand. Broken hairs do not fall naturally from the head, but are typically a sign of mishandling or abuse. In the stages before a hair ultimately breaks, the hair first becomes discolored and experiences cuticle loss. Eventually, the fibers begin to split and ultimately there is breakage.

So what causes breakage? Hair can be weakened and damaged by anything from rough handing and sun exposure to coloring and straightening chemicals. Breakage is also more common with a hair’s age; older hairs, usually the hairs nearest the ends, have the greatest tendency to break due to normal wear and tear. When breakage isn’t a response to physical manipulation and abuse, it is most often triggered by the lack of moisture in the hair strand. Other types of breakage may be caused by the over- structuring of the hair strand with protein treatments done in excess. A prompt, and proper response to breakage will help you stop breakage in its tracks.

What can I do about shedding?
You must understand that because shedding is a natural, internal process, it may not respond to topical, external treatments. Some have praised garlic shampoos or “garlic scalp rubs” for reducing shedding, but there has been no clear concensus on the effectiveness of garlic as a remedy for shedding. Shedding is also not easily solved by protein or moisture treatments because it has nothing to do with the hair shaft itself, but is a response to hormonal influences on the hair follicle and is dependent on growth cycles. When a hair completes its life cycle, which generally lasts 4-6 years, its final act is the shedding we experience. This cannot be prevented.

Also, our hair naturally cycles in and out of seasonal shedding phases which may last days or weeks at a time in some individuals. Research suggests that peak shedding rates occur during the fall season. A healthy head of hair may shed as many as 50- 100 hairs per day, though I personally believe this amount to be a grand stretch. You should be concerned if your shedding suddenly increases to a rate that was uncommon to you before, or if the shedding seems to be prolonged over the course of several weeks or months.

Do keep in mind that there are special periods in the human life cycle where shedding is naturally increased. For example, women who are undergoing a bout of postpartum shedding after having a baby may have to deal with increased shedding for several months until their normal hormone levels return. Other conditions which may increase your shedding rate are:

*styling methods that place stress on the follicles
*birth control/menstrual cycles/menopause
*pregnancy
*heredity (runs in the family)
*crash dieting/ low protein diets, poor diet
*illnesses with high fever as a prevailing symptom
*anemia, thyroid disorders, and a host of other chronic disorders
*certain medications and major surgeries and treatments like chemotherapy

Please consult with a medical professional to diagnose any prolonged, abnormal shedding or other unusual scalp conditions.

What can I do about breakage?
Obviously, in a perfect world, there would be no breakage. However, we do not live in a perfect world and some breakage is bound to happen. Hair is an extremely delicate fiber, though strong, it isn’t made out of steel! It would be very difficult to prevent every single, solitary strand from ever breaking. One or two broken hairs are nothing to be thoroughly concerned about. However, it is when you start getting hair here, hair there, 7 here, 9 there– over the course of a few days that you want to start getting worried about your moisture/protein balance. If you are getting less than 5-7 broken hairs a day through the normal course of arranging your hair, do not fret.

Your job is simply to minimize the breakage as much as possible. Be as gentle as possible when handling and working with your tresses. Try to think of your hair as the rarest, most expensive fine silk head covering. Only handle it with clean, smooth, well manicured hands. No hang nails, or rough dry callouses! Gently maneuver your way through tough tangles and keep your hair soft and moisturized daily. Tie your hair up at night to protect your strands from your nighttime tossing and turning. Treat your hair with care and you will see less hair where it isn’t supposed to be!
 
Thank you! I read that article earlier; it's part of why I'm still so confused. I never see any bulbs. Never. It can't all be breakage, can it? The only difference is the length. I'd have to literally sift through all/most of the hair left after a wash and I guess I may need to. :(
There aren't any areas shorter than others that I've noticed, either.

ETA: My sister told me to just get a proper protein on my head as this is an issue similar to one she had

The Difference Between Shedding and Breakage
20 Natural Hair Care Shedding + Breakage
by Black Girl With Long Hair – December 18, 2011

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By Audrey Sivasothy, author of The Science of Black Hair: A Comprehensive Guide to Textured Hair Care

Understanding the difference between hair breakage and shedding is an important part of any healthy hair regimen. Many people use these terms interchangeably to refer to any hair that falls from the head; however, this misinformed language can be a recipe for hair disaster. You must be able to properly differentiate between these two very specific forms of hair “loss” in order to effectively address even the smallest of your hair needs. This article will teach you the difference between hair shedding and hair breakage, and offer strategies to help you combat both hair problems.

What is Shedding
In its truest sense, shed hair is hair that has reached the end of its growing cycle and naturally falls from the scalp along with its tiny, white “root” attached. This is not the actual hair root that is secured deeply within your scalp, but it is the bulb root or base of the hair strand found on the scalp-originating end. It appears white because the hair stops producing melanin (color) at the point in its growth cycle right before it gets ready to fall. If your actual hair root came out along with the hair, you would no longer be able to produce hair from that same place on the scalp ever again! If a hair does not possess this white root bulb, then it is not a naturally shed hair, rather, a broken one. Shed hair tends to be longer in length than broken hairs which are generally short pieces of varying lengths. According to Halal, after a hair is naturally shed, it may take about 130 days for a new hair to fully emerge in its place.

In general, shedding should not be a major concern for you and should be seen as a sign of a healthy, normal, functioning scalp. There is no need to fear shedding unless it is tied to a medical issue. If you notice rapid hair loss from shedding or hair loss accompanied by a host of other problems, please consult a medical professional. Most shedding, however, is simply nature taking its course.

What is Breakage?
Breakage on the other hand is not natural, and is an indication of an imbalance of important forces within the hair strand. Broken hairs do not fall naturally from the head, but are typically a sign of mishandling or abuse. In the stages before a hair ultimately breaks, the hair first becomes discolored and experiences cuticle loss. Eventually, the fibers begin to split and ultimately there is breakage.

So what causes breakage? Hair can be weakened and damaged by anything from rough handing and sun exposure to coloring and straightening chemicals. Breakage is also more common with a hair’s age; older hairs, usually the hairs nearest the ends, have the greatest tendency to break due to normal wear and tear. When breakage isn’t a response to physical manipulation and abuse, it is most often triggered by the lack of moisture in the hair strand. Other types of breakage may be caused by the over- structuring of the hair strand with protein treatments done in excess. A prompt, and proper response to breakage will help you stop breakage in its tracks.

What can I do about shedding?
You must understand that because shedding is a natural, internal process, it may not respond to topical, external treatments. Some have praised garlic shampoos or “garlic scalp rubs” for reducing shedding, but there has been no clear concensus on the effectiveness of garlic as a remedy for shedding. Shedding is also not easily solved by protein or moisture treatments because it has nothing to do with the hair shaft itself, but is a response to hormonal influences on the hair follicle and is dependent on growth cycles. When a hair completes its life cycle, which generally lasts 4-6 years, its final act is the shedding we experience. This cannot be prevented.

Also, our hair naturally cycles in and out of seasonal shedding phases which may last days or weeks at a time in some individuals. Research suggests that peak shedding rates occur during the fall season. A healthy head of hair may shed as many as 50- 100 hairs per day, though I personally believe this amount to be a grand stretch. You should be concerned if your shedding suddenly increases to a rate that was uncommon to you before, or if the shedding seems to be prolonged over the course of several weeks or months.

Do keep in mind that there are special periods in the human life cycle where shedding is naturally increased. For example, women who are undergoing a bout of postpartum shedding after having a baby may have to deal with increased shedding for several months until their normal hormone levels return. Other conditions which may increase your shedding rate are:

*styling methods that place stress on the follicles
*birth control/menstrual cycles/menopause
*pregnancy
*heredity (runs in the family)
*crash dieting/ low protein diets, poor diet
*illnesses with high fever as a prevailing symptom
*anemia, thyroid disorders, and a host of other chronic disorders
*certain medications and major surgeries and treatments like chemotherapy

Please consult with a medical professional to diagnose any prolonged, abnormal shedding or other unusual scalp conditions.

What can I do about breakage?
Obviously, in a perfect world, there would be no breakage. However, we do not live in a perfect world and some breakage is bound to happen. Hair is an extremely delicate fiber, though strong, it isn’t made out of steel! It would be very difficult to prevent every single, solitary strand from ever breaking. One or two broken hairs are nothing to be thoroughly concerned about. However, it is when you start getting hair here, hair there, 7 here, 9 there– over the course of a few days that you want to start getting worried about your moisture/protein balance. If you are getting less than 5-7 broken hairs a day through the normal course of arranging your hair, do not fret.

Your job is simply to minimize the breakage as much as possible. Be as gentle as possible when handling and working with your tresses. Try to think of your hair as the rarest, most expensive fine silk head covering. Only handle it with clean, smooth, well manicured hands. No hang nails, or rough dry callouses! Gently maneuver your way through tough tangles and keep your hair soft and moisturized daily. Tie your hair up at night to protect your strands from your nighttime tossing and turning. Treat your hair with care and you will see less hair where it isn’t supposed to be!
 
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Thank you! I read that article earlier; it's part of why I'm still so confused. I never see any bulbs. Never. It can't all be breakage, can it? The only difference is the length. I'd have to literally sift through all/most of the hair left after a wash and I guess I may need to. :(
There aren't any areas shorter than others that I've noticed, either.

umm... Below is a response that I just read on another hair forum

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Hair grows in cycles. One individual follicle starts pumping out a new hair, and at this beginning phase the hair shaft is at its most thin. The hair continues this growth phase for several months, and as it does so the hairshaft gets increasingly thick. When the hair growth cycle has ended, the hair remains in the follicle, but is no longer growing. This lasts a few more months. Then, the follicle releases the old hair, and at the very end of that old hair is a bulb. That bulb end of the hair marks the very thickest that that particular hair will grow. If the follicle is sensitive to DHT, then as the next hair grows it will come in ever so thinner, and when it spits out the bulb the bulb of hair two will be markedly thinner than that from the first bulb.

Thus, I would say that when examining hair quality over time, the only real accurate way to determine trends is to ONLY look at the hair with bulbs on them. If your shed hair bulbs are getting smaller, then your scalp is going to hell

If you are shedding hair without bulbs, then it indicates to me a different issue. Either your hair has just gotten too brittle or breaks easily. BUT, you can't judge too much from a bulbless hair. It might have broken off from a hair early in its growth stage, which would be completely normal as young hairs are naturally at their thinnest. Or, it could have broken off of a hair that is fairly close to coming to rest, which is when that hair is supposed to be at its thickest.


Unless you know exactly where in the growth stage that particular hairshaft was in, you cannot judge too much from it, in isolation.
 
I've been slacking big time with my hair since I wig it up and I can tell. I finished a CLT (the regular version), followed by a MHM Approved DC, and I'm getting ready to rinse out my clay mix. My hair feels thinner and I think I need a trim. I'm going to try my best to go back to my 2X per week schedule because it was working. Hair is just a chore to me sometimes. :mad: I'm even dreading going back in the shower to rinse out this clay. Oh well.

It's funny how I did this wig routine earlier in the year and you couldn't stop me from jumping in and out of the shower, washing my hair. Fast forward 6 months and a ship load of wash and goes, and I'm back to wigging it. This time round, I too am finding it difficult to jump in and out for the full regimen (even though washing my hair in the shower is easier). Laziness is creeping upon me.
 
I have been so MHM lazy since my clay mishap. Instead, I have been doing a weekly Nexxus protein, NG DC and Rinse and Go routine, with daily cowash and go's. My hair appears to be thriving and I almost have enough to bun. I'm so thankful I found MHM when I did. I'm probably going to stick with this routine unless my hair shows signs of missing MHM. I'll be lurking, though.
 
I'm not doing much MHM wise right now. I'm taking it easy doing water rinses mostly. I can tell me hair definitely has been benefiting from this regimen.

Last Thursday I water rinsed and used a butter product while installing two strand twists. My hair stayed moisturized longer than usual. I water rinsed on Monday in my twist and they didn't frizz and they didn't dry out. They usually dry out after a water rinse. I decided not to test fate zoni spritzed my hair last night and wearing a twist out today.

My hair has held up better than usual over a period of a week. It's still soft, moisturized and my ends aren't sprouting SSKs.

Hopefully over time I can extend them to two weeks with just water rinses in between.
 
I did a co-wash with BC, DC for a couple hours without heat, clay for about 15 mins while in shower and then diluted kknt. My hair feels like it got thinner and I think it's because I need a trim. This is my most common setback and I dont know why I don't keep up with the trims at least every 3 months. Uuugh this hair game is too much work and I have no patience after all these years. I really wish I was born with something easier to manage that doesn't require as much work to achieve my goal. I'm sick of even having to find or have a regimen.
 
Water rinsed and cowashed with ION Hard Water Conditioner. My hair felt really good. Put my hair back up in flat twist for the weekend. Not sure when I'm doing my hair again.
 
I've been steady on the revised and shortened mhm. I made the mistake and spritzed my hair with Oyin Greg Juice during this week 100 plus degree weather so my hair was dry. The hot hair pulled all the moisture from my strands.

I've started to let my gel form the cast over night and in the morning I use the shower sprayer to lightly wet my hair and spritz with heavily diluted KCKT. The water and gel alone leaves my hair too dry.

Question: once my gel forms the cast, will applying moisturizer penetrate my hair; damp or dry?? What I mean by wet or dry is I apply the moisturizer after a light spritz of water or if le it dry.
 
I've been steady on the revised and shortened mhm. I made the mistake and spritzed my hair with Oyin Greg Juice during this week 100 plus degree weather so my hair was dry. The hot hair pulled all the moisture from my strands.

I've started to let my gel form the cast over night and in the morning I use the shower sprayer to lightly wet my hair and spritz with heavily diluted KCKT. The water and gel alone leaves my hair too dry.

Question: once my gel forms the cast, will applying moisturizer penetrate my hair; damp or dry?? What I mean by wet or dry is I apply the moisturizer after a light spritz of water or if le it dry.
It may not penetrate your hair at all but if it has any chance to work I would think you would apply it when wet. Perhaps I misunderstood your question.
 
It may not penetrate your hair at all but if it has any chance to work I would think you would apply it when wet. Perhaps I misunderstood your question.

Thank you, I believe you understood correctly. That's what I was thinking but I don't want to waste product, my hair softens with the moisturizer but not sure if its penetrating. I can't add much of anything prior to my gel.
 
On my MHM grind this morning! I wore my hair in a slicked back ponytail all week. Waves were on fleek :) but i'm in the mood to show off my craps (curls n napps) this weekend. So in this moment i've got my basic mud mix in my hair.

Rhassoul
SSA
ACV
Water
Pracaxi oil
EVOO

I haven't had a proper DC in weeks and don't know when i'll have time for that :( DCing is an essential part of this reggie ladies don't neglect it. At least not for long!
 
Learned a lot this week wearing a wash-n-go. My hair loves getting wet but the difficulty was in getting the two inches closest to my scalp dry afterwards. That area also lost definition most quickly, looking more bushy since it's not as hydrated.
I think this week, I will try some chunky twists for a stretched/pinned do. I need to research more low-manipulation styles & up my skills.

After clay today, I'm doing the Aphogee Keratin & Green Tea Restructurizer. I'm also being more diligent about capturing hair during the detangle process for later scrutiny. This week when rinsing, the long hairs that escaped the mass had the bulbs, they're just not immediately obvious by feel because I wear vinyl gloves for added slip when doing anything to my hair.
 
I know this isn't a length challenge but I'm always in this thread and I believe my MHM experience is mostly responsible for my success. Here are two pics of my DC-ed hair in plaits. The first is from June 1 and the second is from today. I am thrilled with my progress.
 

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