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Wow. I just listened to part two, I guess being loud isn't godly. I understand some of what he's saying, but I almost expect him to pop out with women should be seen and not heard.
I don't think its necessarily classy, but ungodly
But the rest seems good...
Oh that was the second sermon with Dr voddie I was listening to. He was just saying a woman should have a revernt spirit, not be loud, or draw attention to herself, or be boisterous... Stressed reverence a lot...
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Oh that was the second sermon with Dr voddie I was listening to. He was just saying a woman should have a revernt spirit, not be loud, or draw attention to herself, or be boisterous... Stressed reverence a lot...
,Wow. I just listened to part two, I guess being loud isn't godly. I understand some of what he's saying, but I almost expect him to pop out with women should be seen and not heard.
I don't think its necessarily classy, but ungodly
But the rest seems good...
Alley, uncultured, a drama queen, having no class.
Oh that was the second sermon with Dr voddie I was listening to. He was just saying a woman should have a revernt spirit, not be loud, or draw attention to herself, or be boisterous... Stressed reverence a lot...
We have only our personal experiences and understanding to lean on yet we know God is love. He is loving and demonstrated that love by making the ultimate sacrificial gesture- to die for the object of one's love in an effort to provide them with a better life. To be reverent does not mean I am silent and have no voice. It does mean I am smart enough to know when to talk, what to say, and how to say it to get the desired results.
What godly person would remain silent when someone is being mistreated? Do you really think that a God who commands (not asks) us to walk in love and is so very concerned with how we treat ppl would say "be silent" and allow abuse to take place? This is the same God who left us the comforter upon his departure from earth. One of his main jobs is to lead us in the truth of all things. To ask us to not stand up for his truth would be a huge contradiction. A house divided cannot stand. That reference to being quiet is speaking of the 'alley bat' who is mouthing off and causing calamity. She is hell bent on being heard. She is not helping anyone but is being a nuisance. You know her and I do too. You cannot help anyone when you are not in control of your own emotional self. These women are not standing for truth. They are not protecting the cause of the abused.
Hi ladies! I hope this clears up a few things for you
There are a few passages in Proverbs I think that address this. Basically, a loud female is a disruption and is usually disrespectful to herself and others. So she is out of order. God is a God of order. I know no one who is repeatedly loud that has it together in life. A women in control knows iot doesn't take all of that.
Alley, uncultured, a drama queen, having no class.
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Hi ladies! I hope this clears up a few things for you
There are a few passages in Proverbs I think that address this. Basically, a loud female is a disruption and is usually disrespectful to herself and others. So she is out of order. God is a God of order. I know no one who is repeatedly loud that has it together in life. A women in control knows iot doesn't take all of that.
Alley, uncultured, a drama queen, having no class.
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Reverence is one of those words like submissive that we have big problems with in our culture. Primarily b/c many have used those words to degrade certain groups, women, AA, those w/ smaller incomes, you name it. However, I will say none of the above is God's definition of the word.
We exist in a culture where there are not kings and royal families or the pageantry and strict order that exists/ existed in that type of culture. So, we struggle to understand the true definitions.
What godly person would remain silent when someone is being mistreated? Do you really think that a God who commands (not asks) us to walk in love and is so very concerned with how we treat ppl would say "be silent" and allow abuse to take place? This is the same God who left us the comforter upon his departure from earth. One of his main jobs is to lead us in the truth of all things. To ask us to not stand up for his truth would be a huge contradiction. A house divided cannot stand. That reference to being quiet is speaking of the 'alley bat' who is mouthing off and causing calamity. She is hell bent on being heard. She is not helping anyone but is being a nuisance. You know her and I do too. You cannot help anyone when you are not in control of your own emotional self. These women are not standing for truth. They are not protecting the cause of the abused.
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Umm, I don't think so. Some couple want kids, others do not. What I would say needs to happen a lot more is couples asking God what he wants for them in this area. Few ppl invite God into the family planning process b/c we have little to no time to deal with kids in our society and we don't really want to know what God says. He may tell the childless couple there will be none and the couple with kids there will be more. In most cases, we don't want to hear that. We want God to serve us not us serving him in whatever the outcome may be.
Well, I'm only talking about what that preacher said in the video when he said the man should be the one who financially supports the family. I'm not saying the woman should be the head of the household or loud or putting her husband down just because she makes more. I didn't ask anything about the characteristics of a loud woman...
From what I understand it is not ok for anyone to be loud. The word tells us often to season our words, speak the truth in love, and not to be hard, harsh, sharp, etc. It specifically instructs men who aspire to be Godly not to break the spirits of their kids and to treat his wife as he does his own skin- nourishing and with TLC. In today's world where we often desire things that go well beyond the realm of necessities most couples find themselves needing to both work. So, the care of kids gets passed to others throughout a child's entire life in most cases. Starting at daycare and ending at college graduation. We accept this as the 'norm' but historically speaking schooling outside the home, daycare, etc is relatively new ( in retrospect of the time man has inhabited the earth period). To make a long story short, I do not understand scripture to say it is wrong for a woman to work outside the home in and of itself but, it certainly can be depending on the reasons she is working (did the couple acquire student loan debts, are they trying to have bigger better everything, is the primary care of the kids being passed off simply b/c they are selfish and don't want to invest the time, etc.). As with all things God and God alone knows our heart's motives. When we inquire of him and demonstrate a willing heart he will instruct us individually on how we ought to live our lives. Whether we agree, disagree, or are indifferent, there is sufficient data to show that children do better in life when mom and dad are married and actively involved. In most cases women are better at nurturing and those who choose to stay at home are not too exhausted or distracted to put in the large amounts of time needed by kids. BTW, I have been both a stay at home mom and a career woman while parenting. Although I was able to provide more from increased finances while working, my kids were better off emotionally when I was with them and so was I. When kids are given a choice they usually want their moms with them. JMHO
Well, I'm only talking about what that preacher said in the video when he said the man should be the one who financially supports the family. I'm not saying the woman should be the head of the household or loud or putting her husband down just because she makes more. I didn't ask anything about the characteristics of a loud woman...
B/c I was a lurker for sometime and b/c I know many eyes will see this but not comment one way or another sometimes I expound on things beyond what the poster implicitly stated. I mean no offense though...This is a sensitive and often misunderstood topic and unfortunately there are many women who do put their men down and later not understand why he left etc.
When the Bible says "man should work by the sweat of his brow", should this man pick up an extra job so he can make more money than his wife?
In a word- no. In everything we do we should strive to bring glory and honor to God. Working simply to make more than his spouse brings no glory to God. A husband in his role as provider should however pick up a 2nd or 3rd job(hypothetically) if that is what is needed not just to be able to make more money but to see to it that those under his care have their needs met.
Is the marriage out of the will of God if the wife makes more according to what this preacher said?
I did not have a chance to listen to this particular sermon from Dr. Baucham(I have listened to a lot of what Mark Driskoll has online as well as heard him on TV a few times) but I have listened to many of their sermons and have purchased some of their materials. I am very familiar w/ their beliefs and they have been consistent in their delivery styles so I don't imagine they deviated this time.
And if husband and wife are one and if the money turns into "ours" instead of being separate, then how can the man be the "breadwinner" when it comes to money if the money is combined into one bank account? (not talking about leadership of the household or anything else).
In this case he cannot be the 'breadwinner' in the sense of him making more money. A wife would just have to strive hard to love him and show him respect so that he doesn't feel emasculated.
See, I feel like you and momi are right and this Mars Hill preacher is not being very realistic when it comes to finances within a marriage.
