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MacherieHair - Since when did those rollers become French?!

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Your hair dries faster with those rollers and you have bouncy curls.. I got mine from the BSS.. The pins were a little too much for me so I just started using the duck bill clips on them and got great results but I was relax then also when I tried those rollers..
 
ljbee said:
MaCherie needs to stop it. She doesn't even allow comments under her video cuz she knows she's full of it and doesn't want anyone calling her out, lol.

But hey, I can't hate on her. She realized that she could profit off of black people's ignorance and laziness to search online and learn how to take care of their hair on their own and overtime. She is really playing on the people who want a one-stop shop for hair care info and I guess she provides it...just in the form of a ridiculous price fee.
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I totally agree. this is the truth. she gets NO ratings from me :nono: at least be original. don't capitalize off info you got for free SMDH
 
I bought some by Diane a little while ago. They looked like were older which means they are better made. I can tell the difference in the materials. I still haven't mastered them yet. I've heard they work pretty good on natural hair, but not for me so far. I only tried once.

But yeah, the ones you get from France are like wayy betta even though I saw them on a video, I wonder how much better than the old Diane's.
 
OrangeMoon said:
Monthly Membership is $9.99 per month
Quarterly Membership is $24.99 per 3 month quarter
Annual Membership is $99.99

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And just think, about a year ago, I was about 2 seconds away from paying that. Thank goodness by random occurence, I stumbled upon LHCF before signing up.
 
Actually not only the information....but making it seem like these rollers aren't available on every corner in the neighborhood. SMH.
 
Not trying to start anything but I don't see the problem with her 'capitalizing' off information she got for free. There was a market for lazy people, or people who didn't want to be told to 'search' all the time, so she catered to that. :yeshrug:

None of it was copyrighted so there's nothing wrong with what she did. Does it leave a salty taste in some members' mouths?? Yea...I'm pretty sure it does. But wrong? No.

Anywho, at least we got some good hair porn from the vid :lick:
 
She's doing the same thing that a lot of people are doing using You Tube. Plenty of people are putting shea butter in their blenders and selling it as they show off their hair on You Tube. And if the hair looks good and esp. if it is long, you know black women will pay a premium b/c they want to believe that this shea butter mix has magical ingredients that will give them the same hair as in the video. Anyone with long hair can make good money b/c so many black women are so desperate to have long hair.

I think that it's amazing how few black women seem to be able to do their own black hair. No one seems to know how to roll hair, or else people wouldn't be watching her videos, and it seems as if so many people had relaxers from birth that no one can do natural hair either.

So yeah, she's not the only one who people are paying b/c they want to imitate.

And I'm happy to see someone with gorgeous relaxed hair at a time when so many people are acting holier than though regarding the practice of straightening hair either temporarily or permanently.

If you've got the goods and want to make money from it, go for it. If her hair was two inches long, no one would buy from her but she saw an opportunity and she took it. (I'm pretty sure she's an MBA). Black women will pay anyone nearly anything to have long hair. And she doesn't seem to throw off a nasty vibe like some other people who are out their selling unoriginal products.
 
KiKi Homemaker said:
Not trying to start anything but I don't see the problem with her 'capitalizing' off information she got for free. There was a market for lazy people, or people who didn't want to be told to 'search' all the time, so she catered to that. :yeshrug:

None of it was copyrighted so there's nothing wrong with what she did. Does it leave a salty taste in some members' mouths?? Yea...I'm pretty sure it does. But wrong? No.

Anywho, at least we got some good hair porn from the vid :lick:
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hey I hear ya, which is why I don't understand why ppl get all up in arms when youtubers are sponsored by companies or ppl begin to use their YT to advertise their company. BUT there is such a thing as business ethics and moreover - I'm sure using ideas in your business that originated elsewhere violates more then just ethics...
 
Sadly it is very easy to make money off of desperate women trying to grow their hair. When I was mbl I used to have women come up to me all the time in the grocery store asking me what kind of grease or shampoo do I use.
 
If u all r talking about the same sistah I viewed 1st on LHCF when I 1st joined and then viewed her site/blog when she did not charge - she is one of my hair inspirations. If my permed hair had not been so jacked I might have continued being relaxed because of her wonderful hair and good advice.
 
EbonyCPrincess said:
hey I hear ya, which is why I don't understand why ppl get all up in arms when youtubers are sponsored by companies or ppl begin to use their YT to advertise their company. BUT there is such a thing as business ethics and moreover - I'm sure using ideas in your business that originated elsewhere violates more then just ethics...
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Unless she is stealing product formulas from someone then she's not violating anything.

And in fact, intellectual property law requires that in order to have a copyright, patent, trade secret, etc. (they are all different and last different amounts of time), you have to fulfill certain criteria.

Any idea has to prove that it is sufficiently original. So based on what you are saying, all of the natural hair care product makers would somehow be violating laws or would somehow be unethical b/c one of them was first. That's not how it works from a legal perspective.

She's marketing herself as a hair expert b/c she has really pretty hair and because black women place such a premium on that. It wouldn't work so well on women from other communities, but I can say that if you had a high SAT score or went to the right school, you would get people from other communities who would pay you a lot for your advice as well. It's not original, and lots of other businesses and companies offer the service, but in both cases, the unique aspect is merely the person involved.

Her business model would fail if black women collectively had different values, but they don't since it seems that she monetized her idea several years ago and still has kept it that way.

Hey, I'm not going to knock her hustle and if I thought she knew something that I didn't, I might pay for her services too, but thankfully I learned how to roll my own hair in middle school, I know that you can get mesh rollers just about anywhere, and never had problems growing my hair out.

I'm pretty sure that she's not selling people bottles of pond water and calling her her magical hair elixir, which would be unethical(but she could make a fortune if she did with that hair). She's just telling people the steps that she takes. They don't have to be original or invented by her since she's not trying to prohibit anyone else from doing the same.

In fact, you cannot try to trademark names that are deemed to be common names of items either.

I mean, I see a certain You Tuber frequently getting credited with having a "recipe" for a leave-in conditioner and yet the main ingredient in her magical conditioner is in fact a trademarked product that is made by another company. I'm frankly surprised that that company hasn't sent a "cease and desist" since their product's effectiveness is being overshadowed and credit is being given to a 2nd party. If you want to argue about ethics and legality there, then you probably would have a case. And people have gotten those letters for far less.
 
KiKi Homemaker said:
Not trying to start anything but I don't see the problem with her 'capitalizing' off information she got for free. There was a market for lazy people, or people who didn't want to be told to 'search' all the time, so she catered to that. :yeshrug:

None of it was copyrighted so there's nothing wrong with what she did. Does it leave a salty taste in some members' mouths?? Yea...I'm pretty sure it does. But wrong? No.

Anywho, at least we got some good hair porn from the vid :lick:
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Even if people join there's no guarantee their hair will grow. Chances are if they're too lazy to google, they won't be able to hold down a regimen either. She's all types of wrong for charging people 100 dollars a year.
Unless that membership comes with a lifetime supply of conditioner :look:
 
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well, i don't know about the rollers and what not, and i am not gonna bash anyone's business or hustle.....

i do know that the hair care courses on her website can be used as continuing education credits for beauty school students and professionals up for license renewals....so that may be of benefit to stylists trying to learn healthy hair care. cus they sure don't teach hair "care" in beauty school.

i'm sure a subscription is cheaper than paying for live seminars. i mean for stylists that need credits every two years or however often.......
 
I agree with Cream Tee...I remember Macherie from this site when I joined back in 2005, and her hair was MBL THEN. SO, if she is maintaining at the same length, that is one thing...otherwise the $100/year subscription is a buncho b.s. b/c it doesn't take a rocket scientist to roll hair...I was doing it in high school.

Not tryna knock the hustle, but if the folks paying that $ are lazy then their hair isn't going to do much...like others said if you're too lazy to learn, then you're likely too lazy or ignorant to try and maintain a decent head of hair with a good regimen and products. I wouldn't pay anyone that kind of money for info that is all over the internet and in books FOR FREE. Im just sayin...
 
My dad told me that some folks like exclusivity and will pay big bucks to feel like they have something no one else has or its hard for people to get.

I'll bet if she charged $200 per year people would pay it.
 
what's questionable is that @ the beginning of the video she's saying there from a french website and she will give the info later on ordering from that site... then she annotates that she now carries the rollers... like this was an old video where she updated w/new info because she is now carrying the rollers... but she just uploaded the video today (3/15/11)... maybe she made the video a while ago and just decided to put it up but something seems a little off especially since she doesn't have a lot of uploads (2 videos within the last week or so and the rest from over a year ago)... oh well
 
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Jewell said:
I agree with Cream Tee...I remember Macherie from this site when I joined back in 2005, and her hair was MBL THEN. SO, if she is maintaining at the same length, that is one thing...otherwise the $100/year subscription is a buncho b.s. b/c it doesn't take a rocket scientist to roll hair...I was doing it in high school.

Not tryna knock the hustle, but if the folks paying that $ are lazy then their hair isn't going to do much...like others said if you're too lazy to learn, then you're likely too lazy or ignorant to try and maintain a decent head of hair with a good regimen and products. I wouldn't pay anyone that kind of money for info that is all over the internet and in books FOR FREE. Im just sayin...
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Agreed. I'm not knocking the hustle. It takes lazy consumers to make the world go round. I'm studying corporate finance and I don't think capitalism(basically making a profit at the expense of others) is a terribly bad thing...but businesses need to draw the line between making a profit and straight exploitation of ill-informed consumers...yes there's not a law against taking LHCF secrets, but heaux should have ethics.
 
AlliCat said:
Agreed. I'm not knocking the hustle. It takes lazy consumers to make the world go round. I'm studying corporate finance and I don't think capitalism(basically making a profit at the expense of others) is a terribly bad thing...but businesses need to draw the line between making a profit and straight exploitation of ill-informed consumers...yes there's not a law against taking LHCF secrets, but heaux should have ethics.
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OMG!!!! :shocked:
 
^^^i agree about ethics... i plan on starting my business soon and one of my biggest considerations is being ethical, fair and providing excellent customer service
 
Jas123 said:
^^^i agree about ethics... i plan on starting my business soon and one of my biggest considerations is being ethical, fair and providing excellent customer service
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That's what keeps customers and attracts new ones...thumbs up

ETA: good luck with your business Jas123
 
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AlliCat said:
Agreed. I'm not knocking the hustle. It takes lazy consumers to make the world go round. I'm studying corporate finance and I don't think capitalism(basically making a profit at the expense of others) is a terribly bad thing...but businesses need to draw the line between making a profit and straight exploitation of ill-informed consumers...yes there's not a law against taking LHCF secrets, but heaux should have ethics.
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That really wasn't called for. If you feel the business is unethical, then say that. But to go so far as to call her out her (e-)name wasn't necessary at all :perplexed.

I really am just sayin...
 
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I fail to see what is unethical about what she does.

What may be a LHCF secret to you maybe be common knowledge to a lot of us, so I fail to see the problem.

The saddest thing to me is that if she was selling an educational tool to her own community, she wouldn't get nearly so many takers.

I mean, I'm on this board but I already knew how to take care of my hair so if I was to start a business I'd have to read about people calling me a shady ho? I fail to see what makes her unethical and no one has formed a coherent argument that proves that she is.

About 90% of what a lot of people are sharing here is kind of pointless and unproven(and some of it is dangerous and false). If you do 100 things for a your hair, you haven't proven that you need to do those 100 things to have nice hair. There might be only 1 thing that is necessary and 99 things that dont' harm your hair.

We pay for lots of things that are free, and we pay for lots of things that we could make. Is KFC unethical for charging you for fried chicken just because your grandma can make it? That's what these accusations sound like to me.
 
I don't think it so much that she has a paid site, BUT how much you have to pay? If you spend all of you money to join, you don't have any money left for products, tools, etc. Or am I the only broke one here? :look:
 
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