ChristmasCarol
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Keratin Treatment Support Thread
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You did a great job on your hair! I can't wait to order a big bottle of Dream Hair.
I found the Dream Hair ingredients on Ebay and Fab confirmed they are correct:
[FONT="]Ingredients:[FONT="]
aqua, cetyl, alcohol, cetrimonium chloride, hydrolyzed, collagen, hydrolized keratin, poliquaternium 7, dimethicone, mineral oil, fragrance, mica, citric acid, cyclopentasiloxane, dimethiconol, theobroma cacao (cocao extract), methyichloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone and ci16140, ci42090, ci16255[/FONT][/FONT]
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dream-Hair-Braz...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ef9e1113
AtlantaJJ
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Wow at this thread!
I just wanted to post a couple of quick observations about my last BKT.
I like my results are better overall with Global or the OK Keratin because the Dreamhair has made my already soft hair really soft and it didn't leave as much "weight" or body in my hair as Global or the OK Keratin did after the first couple of washes. It was beautiful after I completed the treatment. Now my hair is feather light and floaty and it doesn't have as much body as it did with my other BKTs. It doesn't hold a curl as well now either.
It looks good, and healthy, but it just feels sooo soft! I prefer weight added to my hair, that's why I love cellophanes and henna because they coat my strands and make them appear more dense. I don't have that effect now that I have done a couple of washes with the Dreamhair. My hair is definitely silky and straight.
I'm going to do a treatment with my Biolage cera-repair conditioner and see how that works out for me.
I'm 7 months post textlax and this was my 4th or 5th BKT. The other thing that was different about DH for me is that it was WOW right after the treatment, but not so much after a couple of washes. My experience has been the opposite with the other BKTs I've done. My hair would look nice after the treatment, but I would get the WOW effect after the first wash.
ETA: My hair is super shinny, the cuticle feels smooth like spun silk. I have fine hair so I like a little body left in my hair.
ETAA: Update
I pre-pooed while working out with Elucence protein (I forget the exact name)
Then I shampooed with Millcreek Keratin (1 poo)
Then I used Millcreek Kertain while in the shower.
Used Joico leave-in reconstructor
Did a light blow dry with my ionic dryer.
I wish I had time to take a picture!
The confusion I am having with Dreamhair is that it just simply got my hair straighter
I'm like bone straight in the shower (even my roots) in the shower.
I just do a light tousle blow dry, roots straight.
I have my body back, my hair is shinning like new money.
Lesson learned. My hair WANTS protein now. Period.
Only about 1/2 inch of my roots have a slight wave to them the rest straight.
I just wanted to post a couple of quick observations about my last BKT.
I like my results are better overall with Global or the OK Keratin because the Dreamhair has made my already soft hair really soft and it didn't leave as much "weight" or body in my hair as Global or the OK Keratin did after the first couple of washes. It was beautiful after I completed the treatment. Now my hair is feather light and floaty and it doesn't have as much body as it did with my other BKTs. It doesn't hold a curl as well now either.
It looks good, and healthy, but it just feels sooo soft! I prefer weight added to my hair, that's why I love cellophanes and henna because they coat my strands and make them appear more dense. I don't have that effect now that I have done a couple of washes with the Dreamhair. My hair is definitely silky and straight.
I'm going to do a treatment with my Biolage cera-repair conditioner and see how that works out for me.
I'm 7 months post textlax and this was my 4th or 5th BKT. The other thing that was different about DH for me is that it was WOW right after the treatment, but not so much after a couple of washes. My experience has been the opposite with the other BKTs I've done. My hair would look nice after the treatment, but I would get the WOW effect after the first wash.
ETA: My hair is super shinny, the cuticle feels smooth like spun silk. I have fine hair so I like a little body left in my hair.
ETAA: Update
I pre-pooed while working out with Elucence protein (I forget the exact name)
Then I shampooed with Millcreek Keratin (1 poo)
Then I used Millcreek Kertain while in the shower.
Used Joico leave-in reconstructor
Did a light blow dry with my ionic dryer.
I wish I had time to take a picture!
The confusion I am having with Dreamhair is that it just simply got my hair straighter
I'm like bone straight in the shower (even my roots) in the shower.
I just do a light tousle blow dry, roots straight.
I have my body back, my hair is shinning like new money.
Lesson learned. My hair WANTS protein now. Period.
Only about 1/2 inch of my roots have a slight wave to them the rest straight.
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cutenss
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I have to back and catch up on this thread. Sheba1 :Rose: its OK that everybody doesn't get it. There is just too much drama on the HF for me, which is why I don't be in it as often. I have read/seen cruel things, and it doen't make any sense. This BKT thread is 50 millions pages long. A wealth of knowledge and pics. For the start we have said "do your research" and "GOOGLE", my personal favorite. I have answered many of PM from people. Everything is not going to please everyone. And then there are just flat out jealous HAGS. Would bad mouth whateva. And most of them that have/are, has never even tried BKT.
I am loving my BKT hair. I cannot wait til the end of the month, so that I can do my next one. I love BKT enough for those that don't
OT: Are any of you going to the Southern Meeting next year, in March. I wuld love to meet my BKT buddies
I am loving my BKT hair. I cannot wait til the end of the month, so that I can do my next one. I love BKT enough for those that don't
OT: Are any of you going to the Southern Meeting next year, in March. I wuld love to meet my BKT buddies
cutenss
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No its the one in Birmingham.
Yes Veejee, I am planning on having a blast. I have had a rough year, and I desperately need a vacay
Yes Veejee, I am planning on having a blast. I have had a rough year, and I desperately need a vacay
cutenss
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Sounds like fun!!! March, eh? You know that's my reveal date
Ok then.
You know I am so wanting to see that in person. Sounds like you need to make plan to be there. How can I talk you into going? I coming all the way from the Midwest to be there. I have already requested to be off at work.
sheba1
New Member
Ok then.
No coercion necessary
I can work it out 
cutenss
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otegwu
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Just wanted to say Ive read the WHOLE thread, and it, took me 4 long days
!,
Ive found every single post from all the ladies very helpful in aiding me make an informed decision about doing the BKT, I don't necessarily think that the negativity has anything to do with being a 'hater' or mean spirited, I truly think that those individuals are supporting people like me to make the best decisions.
If all the comments where positive then I would have jumped in head first, but from peoples experience (which seem to have some kind of correlation/ trend
), I am aware that there could be some downfalls, and I prepare myself accordingly.
A support thread cant just be telling us how good something is, as it would be very one sided, the negative sides are just as important for people who haven't tried and are thinking about it.
At the end of the day their experiences is just as relative as those who have had great results
I hope those who haven't had the best experience with BKT continue posting
, as well as those who have, so that ladies in the future have a well rounded view, like I have.
!, Ive found every single post from all the ladies very helpful in aiding me make an informed decision about doing the BKT, I don't necessarily think that the negativity has anything to do with being a 'hater' or mean spirited, I truly think that those individuals are supporting people like me to make the best decisions.
If all the comments where positive then I would have jumped in head first, but from peoples experience (which seem to have some kind of correlation/ trend
), I am aware that there could be some downfalls, and I prepare myself accordingly. A support thread cant just be telling us how good something is, as it would be very one sided, the negative sides are just as important for people who haven't tried and are thinking about it.
At the end of the day their experiences is just as relative as those who have had great results
I hope those who haven't had the best experience with BKT continue posting
, as well as those who have, so that ladies in the future have a well rounded view, like I have.
lilikoi
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Thanks for the info! However, do you notice a little something missing?:
WHERE ON EARTH IS THE FORMALDEHYDE!
I just don't understand these companies...Do they really think we're that dumb?
Hater. I found one not too long ago and thankfully that's it. Genetics are a MF'er!!Oh stop lying
You older than me and I got some.
deborah11
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I'll ask this question again and maybe someone knows the answer. After applying the BKT, would it cause damage to your hair if the flat iron temperature is too low or not sufficient to melt the treatment into your hair strands. Someone else in a previous post mentioned that it would cause damage to your hair if sufficient heat is not used (can't find that post right now) and I am wondering what kind of damage it would cause, if anyone knows. Thanks. I BKT'ed my bangs only and bangs feel slightly coated but does have body and some shine. I am wondering whether temp was too low. I used 360 degrees and about 3-4 pull thru(s).
chesmi
New Member
wOw lilikoi, thanks for that! Now that's what I'm talkin' bout, your hair looks fabulous!
lilikoi
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I think the post you're referring to cautioned against not using enough product. The main problem if you don't use enough heat is (1) your hair won't look/fell right and (2) the treatment won't take and will rinse off next time you wash. Most BKT formulations are mostly un-harmful (to your hair, at least) and even beneficial (protein, emollients, silicones, etc) ingredients. The exception, of course, is the formaldehyde, which poses a health hazard upon prolonged/chronic dermal exposure or inhalation exposure. It could also cause allergic reactions in some people.
So, if you haven't washed the product off you might want to try a few more passes at a higher temp. But err of the cooler side of 400 degrees if your hair is relaxed...IMO the extremely high temps used in this process pose a considerable risk of damage if you're not careful.
RootPunch
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Not sure of what damage it would cause if sufficient heat not used, but I do know it's enuf heat should be used to "set" the formaldehyde, otherwise it would be pointless. Apparently, the temperature to change the polymers (in the 'non-formaldehyde' versions) into formaldehyde is about 320 to 399 degrees.
I didn't find any research on temperature needed for formaldehyde to seal around a substance (it probably doesn't exist), but I deduced that it should at least be the max temp that makes the by-product (formaldehyde) in the first place.
Of course, this is JMO. I personally used the flat iron on the full monty, 450!
with enuf passes so that I no longer felt the product on the strands..... but I know my hair can take it, if not done frequently.HTH
I added an update to my confused post last night.So I've been reading this thread for a while, and I've gone back and forth on the issue (not in an I'm-not-feeling-BKT way, in an I'm-not-in-the-mood-for-straight-hair way.) I'm pretty sure I want a formaldehyde free version, but the Dreamhair accounts are haaaaaard to ignore.
I'm a type four natural. I don't want permanent altering of my curl pattern. My hair is not heat sensitive, but it IS color sensitive. I'm still paying for a impulsive experiment with cheap boxed color x.x (I flat ironed a section on 450--with protectant of course. Perfect reversion.) I have naturally fine-to-random hair that if washed TOO frequently will get over moisturized, though this is generally not an issue with this cold weather. I believe that the problem areas of my strands (the ends) are the result of that stupid stupid color.
I want BKT for control (or elimination) of single strand knots and shredded strands, and for easier winter styling. I've probably cut off four inches of hair this year >:[ Even with tweaking to my regimen to try to remedy my issues. I think i've gotten my hair pretty much figured out but I'd like a little insurance, just until the summer. From Sheba1 and other's accounts I believe it could help, but at this point the information is overwhelming, though appreciated.
I want to ask... what was your favorite formaldehyde free brand, where might I be able to buy just a few ounces of it, and if you prefer a formaldehyde brand vastly over it, why?
I promise I'm not just being lazy, lol.
Also I'd like to thank the contributors to this thread for putting their accounts out here, and in such a detailed manner.
I'm a type four natural. I don't want permanent altering of my curl pattern. My hair is not heat sensitive, but it IS color sensitive. I'm still paying for a impulsive experiment with cheap boxed color x.x (I flat ironed a section on 450--with protectant of course. Perfect reversion.) I have naturally fine-to-random hair that if washed TOO frequently will get over moisturized, though this is generally not an issue with this cold weather. I believe that the problem areas of my strands (the ends) are the result of that stupid stupid color.
I want BKT for control (or elimination) of single strand knots and shredded strands, and for easier winter styling. I've probably cut off four inches of hair this year >:[ Even with tweaking to my regimen to try to remedy my issues. I think i've gotten my hair pretty much figured out but I'd like a little insurance, just until the summer. From Sheba1 and other's accounts I believe it could help, but at this point the information is overwhelming, though appreciated.
I want to ask... what was your favorite formaldehyde free brand, where might I be able to buy just a few ounces of it, and if you prefer a formaldehyde brand vastly over it, why?
I promise I'm not just being lazy, lol.
Also I'd like to thank the contributors to this thread for putting their accounts out here, and in such a detailed manner.
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I haven't changed anything in my regimen, other than making sure I'm using all, all-natural products whereas before I kind of mixed and matched. I haven't had any problems, nor has my daughter. Mind you, I've only done my hair twice, both times with Dream Hair. I have no plans of trying another brand. DD's hair is was already super soft but it's so soft now, it won't hold curls for very long. She doesn't care though, she still swings and flingsGuys, what is so different about us?
I was reading through that BKT Pros and Cons thread and some ladies are having real trouble. I mean exploding strands and all kinds of stuffMystic said her hair is thinning from just two treatments and is near ruined. So what's different about us? What's the common factor in those who's hair thrives on BKT and those who's hair crumbles?
I don't know if my hair was heat sensitive or not; I'd only straightened my healthy hair once before BKT. I know my hair looked a hot mess when I had a relaxer but that was 15 years ago and I didn't know a thing about hair. My strands are extremely fine... Like extreme. No one would ever accuse me of having strong or indestructable hair; it's always been fragile. And my Mom was shocked that it's grown as long as it has. You can see from my siggy that it's not all that long, yet, but she's amazed. Because the only time my hair ever grew past my shoulders was when I had a curl (as a youth).
So what is it?? My hair is fragile and fine and, as far as I know, it can't take heat all that well. Anyone's hair thriving on BKT that used to be protein sensitive? Are these other folks protein sensitive? Heat sensitive? Some strange combination of the two? Because, I'm telling you, it's killing me that my sisters are having so much trouble. And I feel so very sad, because I know many of them were inspired to try the treatment because of the success my own hair has experienced with BKT.
I'm serious, I went to search and destroy on my ends the other day and my hair and it's like my hair doesn't know what a split is, right now. I really want to know why. Am I just lucky? That can't be it...
Is it that some changed their reggies to incorporate more protein after the BKT? While others who'd thought their hair protein sensitive shied away and did moisture moisture moisture? Maybe BKT not only allows our hair to handle more protein... maybe our hair requires it after. I dunno... I'm open to thoughts and ideas from anyone who wants to try to figure this out with me. I'm so sad right now.
. Interesting observation. Have any naturals or long-term stretchers reported anticlimactic results?
I'm a 3c/4a and Dreamhair hasn't permanently altered my curl pattern at all. Mind you, I've only used it twice, but check w/Cutenss. I believe she still has all her curls as well. I have some pics in a thread I started back in October. I'll find it and bump.
Thanks for the info! However, do you notice a little something missing?:
WHERE ON EARTH IS THE FORMALDEHYDE!
I just don't understand these companies...Do they really think we're that dumb?
That's true. I looked up a bunch of ingredients and the synonyms for formaldehyde and it is missing from their ingredients. I wonder if they mention it separately from the ingredients on the bottle, like this:
The ingredients are as follows:
aqua, cetyl, alcohol, cetrimonium chloride, hydrolyzed, collagen, hydrolized keratin, poliquaternium 7, dimethicone, mineral oil, fragrance, mica, citric acid, cyclopentasiloxane, dimethiconol, theobroma cacao (cocao extract), methyichloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone and ci16140, ci42090, ci16255
Dream Hair Keratin Therapy contains only 0.02% formaline
http://www.salonhive.com/keratin-dream-hair-kit.html
It's kinda hard to tell until I get the bottle myself.
ChristmasCarol
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Hi NerdSauce. I use a formaldehyde-free brand called Keratina. I don't know of anyone else who uses this brand, but I really like it and I don't want to experiment with anything else. 2oz bottles of most brands are sold on eBay and that is more than enough for a treatment - unless you have waistlength hair.
Just remember the accounts of what can happen to damaged hair - in your case, your ends - before jumping in. Best wishes for your hair, no matter your ultimate decision!
My hair is a protein addict...
Keratin treatments such as Joico K-pak made my hair hard before BKT. I am going to try it now after having BKT done and see if I feel a difference.
How did your hair respond to protein before BKT?
AtlantaJJ
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1st be careful with the K-Pak, it has Sodium Chloride in the ingredients. I might use it one day in spite of the salt.
My hair liked protein before the BKT. I have fine hair and I needed the protein to help keep my strands strong. My hair also does not mind heat. It's is very heat tolerant. I used to get the silky presses in Los Angeles, and I know that hair was smoking hot and the stylist would complain because my hair would burn them! LOL
Perhpas that's why my hair likes BKT. I did a Textlax originally (Back in May). But I'm going to just let that grow out. I see its not needed.
Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll
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I'm natural (transitioning - 2 yrs with 2 inches of relaxed endz or heat damaged, i dunno 
).
I bkt'd using Softliss in July. Now, I did have some breakage - which i reported- of my ends which were about 2 inches in length. This coincides with the amount of relaxer remaining in my hair. Go figure. *raises eyebrow*
I've been pleased with my bkt'd hair. I haven't experienced any more shedding ( i seemed to be shedding at one point, but i upped my protein/moisture balance and that did the trick) and my hair is thriving.
Mind you, i only bkt'd ONCE.
I thought I would do it again in December, but now i'm not so sure. My hair is doing fine without it and it seemed to be what I needed during the summer to help with reversion. I'm playing it by ear and I'm looking forward to my next treatment.
I will not trim my endz until i've gone 2 inches past my goal of bsl. Until then, i'll just dust when necessary, which hasn't been very necessary.
I'm really happy that i've incorporated ayurveda back into my reggie. i've been rinsing with coffee/fenugreek and dcing with amla, brahmi and maka in silicon mix and my hair is rinsing straight with a slight wave. I was so surprised by this. It was like I bkt'd all over again. Detangling is a breeze. Shedding and breakage is minimal, nonexistant.
I'm not really surprised by the differing views, because that goes with anything and everything on this board. There are some saboteurs, but I think most of them have been banned/muzzled.
Hoo-Rayayayayayay, Mods!
I just keep it moving, knowing what works for me, works for me - and you ain't gonna rain on my parade, or my hair, 'cause it's too pretty- but since it's bkt'd it won't matter no way.
). I bkt'd using Softliss in July. Now, I did have some breakage - which i reported- of my ends which were about 2 inches in length. This coincides with the amount of relaxer remaining in my hair. Go figure. *raises eyebrow*
I've been pleased with my bkt'd hair. I haven't experienced any more shedding ( i seemed to be shedding at one point, but i upped my protein/moisture balance and that did the trick) and my hair is thriving.
Mind you, i only bkt'd ONCE.
I thought I would do it again in December, but now i'm not so sure. My hair is doing fine without it and it seemed to be what I needed during the summer to help with reversion. I'm playing it by ear and I'm looking forward to my next treatment.
I will not trim my endz until i've gone 2 inches past my goal of bsl. Until then, i'll just dust when necessary, which hasn't been very necessary.
I'm really happy that i've incorporated ayurveda back into my reggie. i've been rinsing with coffee/fenugreek and dcing with amla, brahmi and maka in silicon mix and my hair is rinsing straight with a slight wave.
I was so surprised by this. It was like I bkt'd all over again. Detangling is a breeze. Shedding and breakage is minimal, nonexistant.I'm not really surprised by the differing views, because that goes with anything and everything on this board. There are some saboteurs, but I think most of them have been banned/muzzled.
Hoo-Rayayayayayay, Mods!I just keep it moving, knowing what works for me, works for me - and you ain't gonna rain on my parade, or my hair, 'cause it's too pretty- but since it's bkt'd it won't matter no way
.I haven't changed anything in my regimen, other than making sure I'm using all, all-natural products whereas before I kind of mixed and matched. I haven't had any problems, nor has my daughter. Mind you, I've only done my hair twice, both times with Dream Hair. I have no plans of trying another brand. DD's hair is was already super soft but it's so soft now, it won't hold curls for very long. She doesn't care though, she still swings and flings
Interesting observation. Have any naturals or long-term stretchers reported anticlimactic results?
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lilikoi
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i've been rinsing with coffee/fenugreek and dcing with amla, brahmi and maka in silicon mix and my hair is rinsing straight with a slight wave.
I'm very interested in this!
I'm just finding out about ayurveda, herbs , etc. Would you mind sharing a your "recipes" and procedures in a little more detail? If this is considered off topic in this BKT support thread you can PM me. Thanks!
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