Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[sheba1]

That's great, Pgirl! Does that mean you'll use this flat iron opportunity for the Juy update pic in your siggy? hmmmm?

Man, Bronzebombshell, I'm not sure. I'll research and try to find out. I'm going to try to find an ingredient list and I'll let you know.

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

bump 4 answers

 

[*fabulosity*]

Hmm I used BKT after the bigen on my mom... I don't see why it would be a problem.......

 

[sheba1]

I found a post that listed the ingredients right here on lhcf. Looking at them, I don't think you'll have a problem. The post is below.

I have natural hair. I don't use heat and I've currently been using all natural products. I HATE my hair color, it's so dull and I want black hair again but I really don't want to damage my hair at all. Soooo, I was looking at GlossyxLipz fotki and saw she used Bigen to get her hair a gorgeous black last year. I looked it up and it seems like it might be okay.

Ingredients:
Hoyu Brand. Contains no Ammonia. Designed to cover gray hair or enhance natural color without lifting. Very gentle to your hair. Recommended for Men and Women. Made in Japan. Ingredients: sodim perborate, cellulose gum, P-Phenylenendiamine sulfate, m-aminophenol, sodium carbonate, disodium lauryl sulfosuccinate, magnesium stearate, fragrance, O-Aminophenol, P-Aminophenol.


Does anything about the ingredients send off warning signs? I really DON't even want to slightly damage my hair or risk it, but i really want black hair again. Anyone know anything about it?

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

Is it just me, or does it seem that permanently dyeing the hair ala bigen, after bkt would seal in the results of bkt...making it last even longer, No?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Is it just me, or does it seem that permanently dyeing the hair ala bigen, after bkt would seal in the results of bkt...making it last even longer, No?

I would say doing it before will seal the results. I did my Cellophane before my BKT and it's not bleeding at all like it normally does when I wash my hair so I would say the BKT process helps seal the color in when you do it before the BKT treatment. Cellophane's are temporary colors though, I'm not sure about Bigen.

 

[Reinventing21]

Hey ladies lets talk about poos, cons, and moisturizers.
So is it just sodium chloride to avoid or is it anything with sodium in it?
For example, I like washing with Curls Cleansing Cream.. it has some version of Sodium in it.. will that be okay? I think my other natural stuff.. I love Elucence as much as the next person...but dang can't we switch it up? And my YTC stuff doesn't seem to have any sodium in it... so I'm good on that.

Bumping for more responses to the above.

For washing I like the Loreal sulfates and no harsh salts line. I also like the naked naturals awapuhi & lavender (also no salt or sulfates). HOWEVER, I am still at a loss for what to put on my hair after for MOISTURE. Pre-bkt I had the perfect products finally, but now I realize post bkt that those products are just not doing it for my hair. So far I like the Chi Keratin Mist, and Chi Silk, coconut oil, but I need a really good moisturizer. The Perfectiv line used to work great pre bkt, but now they feel good going on but the effect doesn't last. My hair still seems to be missing moisture. After I finish the Perfectiv (just a little more to go) I will be on the hunt for a leave-in and daily moisturizer. SUGGESTIONS PLEASE?!!

 

[*fabulosity*]

Bumping for more responses to the above.

For washing I like the Loreal sulfates and no harsh salts line. I also like the naked naturals awapuhi & lavender (also no salt or sulfates). HOWEVER, I am still at a loss for what to put on my hair after for MOISTURE. Pre-bkt I had the perfect products finally, but now I realize post bkt that those products are just not doing it for my hair. So far I like the Chi Keratin Mist, and Chi Silk, coconut oil, but I need a really good moisturizer. The Perfectiv line used to work great pre bkt, but now they feel good going on but the effect doesn't last. My hair still seems to be missing moisture. After I finish the Perfectiv (just a little more to go) I will be on the hunt for a leave-in and daily moisturizer. SUGGESTIONS PLEASE?!!

So I couldn't wait as a PJ and I had to try some more.

So I got Keratin Complex Color Care Poo and Con from Folica. I also got
these two products

http://www.folica.com/Keratin_Complex_d5501.html

http://www.folica.com/Keratin_Complex_d5500.html

Folica has a 30 day return guarantee and I get a chance to try it. I hope that they work.

 

[Reinventing21]

Thanks Fabulosity!

I just looked at the second product and I see that it is made by Coppola so I guess it is especially formulated for BKT hair. I can't wait till you get it so you can tell us about it.

In the mean time, I need something local and not too costly to infuse longer lasting moisture into my hair.

What else are BKT users using daily on their hair?

 

[Reinventing21]

Also, as I am gearing up to do a second treatment, how many of you have applied Softliss BKT to damp hair for easier application?

 

[sheba1]

In the mean time, I need something local and not too costly to infuse longer lasting moisture into my hair.

What else are BKT users using daily on their hair?

Hey Reyna, how are you wearing your hair, daily?

Daily I cowash and alternate between protein, moisture and clarifying conditioners. Afterwards I coat my hair with a palm full of coconut oil, some Aussie Sidney Smooth conditioner and a touch of black n sassy cream set to wash n go. If I'm doing a wet bun, I skip the cream set throughout and just put it on my edges to help smooth.

I only deep condition when I shampoo every other week or so. I use Sally's GVP matrix conditioning balm knock off mixed with Elasta QP intense fortifying conditioner and coconut oil (or Vatika oil) for my DC. I DC totally differently now that I wash n go. On my DC days I shampoo with my oil, water and shampoo mix and then run my DC through my hair. I top it with the rest of the stuff I use for my wash n go and wear my hair as usual. The next day I cowash and carry on.

Also, as I am gearing up to do a second treatment, how many of you have applied Softliss BKT to damp hair for easier application?

I have not done this, but this is how I would do it. I apply bkt to towel dried hair, only. Later for that blow drying naked hair nonsense for me This has worked a charm for me with Global. Can't imagine it wouldn't do the same for my Softliss app. Coming to a thread near you in the Fall!

 

[Reinventing21]

Thank you so much Sheba for all that valuable info! I didn't want to run to Sally's b4 checking here first!

Ummm... right now I am wearing my hair mostly in a bun, but when my nape gets long enough to blend better, I will want to wear my hair down.

So you mean with the Global, you just towel dry (no blow dry) and then apply the BKT? Hmmm... See you in the fall with an extra big tub of popcorn

Really tho, I think I may try it that way cuz I feel I used too much or something the last time.

 

[cutenss]

Thanks Fabulosity!

I just looked at the second product and I see that it is made by Coppola so I guess it is especially formulated for BKT hair. I can't wait till you get it so you can tell us about it.

In the mean time, I need something local and not too costly to infuse longer lasting moisture into my hair.

What else are BKT users using daily on their hair?

This is what I use on my BKT hair: 3X a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
I wash with HairOne Olive Oil
DC w/Aphogee 2 Minute Reconstructor mixed with Yes to Carrots or GVP Conditioning Balm
My leave ins are Nexxuss Headress and GVP Potions #9 (on hair only)
MT/JBCO (on scalp only)
I whole head baggy almost daily/nightly (I work nights)
I wear my hair in wash n go's in either buns or ponytail twists

HTH

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

Hi all, maybe i'm asking for too much, but I've been getting a bit of shedding and some breakage.

I've been enjoying my hair, and whenever i get out, i wear my hair down, straight for the last two weeks (wrapped). I have yet to wash my hair, so this is only two weeks into my bkt application.

The last few days i've been flexirodding my hair with Nioxing Smoothin Creme, it looks b.e.a.utiful, I must say, but i've been getting these 1 to 2 inch pieces of hair here and there. I'm not digging that.

Did I mention I have hand-in-hair disease? I've been tossing my hair from here to there, and I have a ridiculous amount of swang, esp with this set. I know I need to bun it, but I was enjoying the lush life. Oh well.

What say you?

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

?Question? Can I co-wash with Tresemme Moisture Rich (my staple) and DC with Silicon Mix? Who's ayurveda-ing with bkt? We need to chat.

 

[Wanderland]

Also, as I am gearing up to do a second treatment, how many of you have applied Softliss BKT to damp hair for easier application?

I've applied softliss to damp hair twice. I like the results, and it is easier to apply.

?Question? Can I co-wash with Tresemme Moisture Rich (my staple) and DC with Silicon Mix? Who's ayurveda-ing with bkt? We need to chat.

I'm not sure because I don't know the actual ingredients I would say lookout for NaCl and sulfates but otherwise you should be fine (unless your avoiding all salts which then it is a real challenge, which I haven't figured out yet).

 

[grnidmonster]

OK. I read the entire thread and I am convinced Softliss is for me. I'm going to order as soon as I reply to a PM. WIsh me luck, I have had so many setbacks I am scared senseless.

Thanks for all the information. You ladies are priceless.

 

[Reinventing21]

This is what I use on my BKT hair: 3X a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
I wash with HairOne Olive Oil
DC w/Aphogee 2 Minute Reconstructor mixed with Yes to Carrots or GVP Conditioning Balm
My leave ins are Nexxuss Headress and GVP Potions #9 (on hair only)
MT/JBCO (on scalp only)
I whole head baggy almost daily/nightly (I work nights)
I wear my hair in wash n go's in either buns or ponytail twists

HTH

\
Thank you so much Cuteness! I forgot about Nexxus and stuff. I remember using Sebastian Potion 9 a LONG time ago on my non bkt hair. Maybe BKT hair likes it better.

Today I bought a leave-in condish (liquid) by Aphogee as well as BB Oil Moisturizer with castor oil and aloe. In the past BB would not have worked for me, but I was checking out the ingredients and thought well....I'll try it. I think I will revisit Nexxus too. Thanks again!

 

[Reinventing21]

Thanks Wanderland! Just out of curiosity, are you relaxed or natural? I am excited you liked your results that way.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Hi all, maybe i'm asking for too much, but I've been getting a bit of shedding and some breakage.

I've been enjoying my hair, and whenever i get out, i wear my hair down, straight for the last two weeks (wrapped). I have yet to wash my hair, so this is only two weeks into my bkt application.

The last few days i've been flexirodding my hair with Nioxing Smoothin Creme, it looks b.e.a.utiful, I must say, but i've been getting these 1 to 2 inch pieces of hair here and there. I'm not digging that.

Did I mention I have hand-in-hair disease? I've been tossing my hair from here to there, and I have a ridiculous amount of swang, esp with this set. I know I need to bun it, but I was enjoying the lush life. Oh well.

What say you?

Am I understanding, you haven't washed in two weeks since your treatment?

You need to wash and DC, your hair may just be drying out. You still need to keep your moisture up. I haven't heard of anyone wearing freshly BKTed hair for more than the required 4 days before washing. :scratchch

ETA: I would do tea rinses with the BKT, I would not attempt a henna treatment. I decided I am not going to take the chance.

Which means I have some henna to sell. I can do a henna tea rinse for my scalp only. But I would not do a full henna

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

Thanks AJJ, well, I didn't wash in two weeks bcs Softliss' directions didn't mention it. I figured it was the formulation of the product, washing it the same day and all that - that didn't require the 'setting' period. Did I miss something . I really need to know that. I had proposed washing every other week to keep from overly manipulating my hair. Not sure how that will go...

And I do believe you are right. I began to think that my hair was just getting dry from the manipulation and the need to wash. I did not have small ends breaking the first week - at all. I had no hair coming out until i did an mn/sulfur/castor oil treatment on my scalp.

Any suggestions for moisture? Could i just use my lustrasilk shea butter conditioner mixed with brahmi, maka, amla, etc? I also wanted to try my Silicon Mix and see how it goes.

I may take the leap today, but I don't wanna use my bonnet hair dryer, but since i haven't purchased anything else, i guess i have no choice. Hoping my hair drys quicker and smoother, too.

Nix on the henna-nay. Tea rinses, only. Got it.

Am I understanding, you haven't washed in two weeks since your treatment?

You need to wash and DC, your hair may just be drying out. You still need to keep your moisture up. I haven't heard of anyone wearing freshly BKTed hair for more than the required 4 days before washing. :scratchch

ETA: I would do tea rinses with the BKT, I would not attempt a henna treatment. I decided I am not going to take the chance.

Which means I have some henna to sell. I can do a henna tea rinse for my scalp only. But I would not do a full henna

 

[silvergirl]

Thanks AJJ, well, I didn't wash in two weeks bcs Softliss' directions didn't mention it. I figured it was the formulation of the product, washing it the same day and all that - that didn't require the 'setting' period. Did I miss something . I really need to know that. I had proposed washing every other week to keep from overly manipulating my hair. Not sure how that will go...

i dont think you missed anything. did you wash after you applied the Step 2 product. you would've have to blowdry the product then flatironned it on 450 to set the product in. after waiting an hour (up to a day). that's when you should have washed it out.

If you did, then you should be ok. you just need to up your moisture.

if you didnt. here the instructions for after step 2.

"The Blow Dry and Ironing steps are the secret to excellent results. After the complete application process, wait 1 hour and wash hair with cold water. Apply the Soft-Liss Nurturing Mask STEP 3 massaging each strand for at least 5 minutes. Wash hair again with cold water, and Blow Dry"

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

Yep, Silver, that's what I did. Thanks for clarifying. I was like, I know I was in a rush that day, but I do not remember reading that...*Whew*

i dont think you missed anything. did you wash after you applied the Step 2 product. you would've have to blowdry the product then flatironned it on 450 to set the product in. after waiting an hour (up to a day). that's when you should have washed it out.

If you did, then you should be ok. you just need to up your moisture. <<<Will do. For moisture, what do you suggest? Also, what poo do you use? I have CON green label, sulfate free from my Caramel Treatment days...TIA!

if you didnt. here the instructions for after step 2.

"The Blow Dry and Ironing steps are the secret to excellent results. After the complete application process, wait 1 hour and wash hair with cold water. Apply the Soft-Liss Nurturing Mask STEP 3 massaging each strand for at least 5 minutes. Wash hair again with cold water, and Blow Dry"

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Thanks AJJ, well, I didn't wash in two weeks bcs Softliss' directions didn't mention it. I figured it was the formulation of the product, washing it the same day and all that - that didn't require the 'setting' period. Did I miss something . I really need to know that. I had proposed washing every other week to keep from overly manipulating my hair. Not sure how that will go...

And I do believe you are right. I began to think that my hair was just getting dry from the manipulation and the need to wash. I did not have small ends breaking the first week - at all. I had no hair coming out until i did an mn/sulfur/castor oil treatment on my scalp.

Any suggestions for moisture? Could i just use my lustrasilk shea butter conditioner mixed with brahmi, maka, amla, etc? I also wanted to try my Silicon Mix and see how it goes.

I may take the leap today, but I don't wanna use my bonnet hair dryer, but since i haven't purchased anything else, i guess i have no choice. Hoping my hair drys quicker and smoother, too.

Nix on the henna-nay. Tea rinses, only. Got it.

I didn't realize you used the Soffliss but you still need moisture. I would try the Silicon Mix after reading the ingredients because it has keratin in it. My hair loves keratin now. I'm not sure about the brahmi and stuff perhaps you should take it one thing at at time to see what your hair likes first before you add a bunch of things together.

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

AJJ, okay, you are gettin' on my nerves!
Yes, you are definitely right - again.
I'll work on moisture b4 i start the ayurvedic stuff.
Wisdom, I tell ya, is priceless.
I bet you saved me a headache down the road, too...and some hair.

I didn't realize you used the Soffliss but you still need moisture. I would try the Silicon Mix after reading the ingredients because it has keratin in it. My hair loves keratin now. I'm not sure about the brahmi and stuff perhaps you should take it one thing at at time to see what your hair likes first before you add a bunch of things together.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

AJJ, okay, you are gettin' on my nerves!
Yes, you are definitely right - again.
I'll work on moisture b4 i start the ayurvedic stuff.
Wisdom, I tell ya, is priceless.
I bet you saved me a headache down the road, too...and some hair.

Sorry, actually that's the Quality Assurance analyst coming out in me. I don't like introducing too many new things at one time because then I can't tell what worked and what didn't!

I like the idea of tea rinses for the scalp...The BKT hair just doesn't need much, less is better. I think the BKT makes the hair more receptive to protein that it would be normally. I haven't had any problems with dryness and I use protein followed by moisture every time I wash.

ETA: Take it one thing at a time until you figure out how your hair is reacting.

 

[berryblack]

Thanks AJJ, well, I didn't wash in two weeks bcs Softliss' directions didn't mention it. I figured it was the formulation of the product, washing it the same day and all that - that didn't require the 'setting' period. Did I miss something . I really need to know that. I had proposed washing every other week to keep from overly manipulating my hair. Not sure how that will go...

And I do believe you are right. I began to think that my hair was just getting dry from the manipulation and the need to wash. I did not have small ends breaking the first week - at all. I had no hair coming out until i did an mn/sulfur/castor oil treatment on my scalp.

Any suggestions for moisture? Could i just use my lustrasilk shea butter conditioner mixed with brahmi, maka, amla, etc? I also wanted to try my Silicon Mix and see how it goes.

I may take the leap today, but I don't wanna use my bonnet hair dryer, but since i haven't purchased anything else, i guess i have no choice. Hoping my hair drys quicker and smoother, too.

Nix on the henna-nay. Tea rinses, only. Got it.

Hey Bronze,
Lustrasilk has salt in it. I didn't see it at first, either... Also, didn't you promise us some pics???

 

[Keen]

I didn't realize you used the Soffliss but you still need moisture. I would try the Silicon Mix after reading the ingredients because it has keratin in it. My hair loves keratin now. I'm not sure about the brahmi and stuff perhaps you should take it one thing at at time to see what your hair likes first before you add a bunch of things together.

You don't like softliss? I was getting ready to order it but some members say it gets your hair really straight. I don't want to loose any volume and have my hair looking flat. Any brand suggestion?

Also, I used OK on my sister she is natural 4B but after the BKT she's more like a 3C. She loves it! It's been two months and she say it doesn't show sign of reverting... I'm planning on doing another treatment for her before it wears off. She wears a fake puff most off the time but she say it is so much easier combing her hair. I'm thinking about doing one for my mom. But then she'd tell all her friends and I'd have a line of people who want BKT when I visit.

 

[silvergirl]

hmm. id like to know if any 3c's , ( i do have some 3b sized curls, but only at the top back portion of my head) have used any of the BKT treatments. and what kind of wash an gos resulted. i really dont want that much loosening of my curls, actually id prefer none. id just prefer to get rid of frizz.

i dont want to end up the with very loose curls.

 

[luckiestdestiny]

Thanks AJJ, well, I didn't wash in two weeks bcs Softliss' directions didn't mention it. I figured it was the formulation of the product, washing it the same day and all that - that didn't require the 'setting' period. Did I miss something . I really need to know that. I had proposed washing every other week to keep from overly manipulating my hair. Not sure how that will go...

And I do believe you are right. I began to think that my hair was just getting dry from the manipulation and the need to wash. I did not have small ends breaking the first week - at all. I had no hair coming out until i did an mn/sulfur/castor oil treatment on my scalp.

Any suggestions for moisture? Could i just use my lustrasilk shea butter conditioner mixed with brahmi, maka, amla, etc? I also wanted to try my Silicon Mix and see how it goes.

I may take the leap today, but I don't wanna use my bonnet hair dryer, but since i haven't purchased anything else, i guess i have no choice. Hoping my hair drys quicker and smoother, too.

Nix on the henna-nay. Tea rinses, only. Got it.

You might want to rethink the brami, amla too. Someone had probs w/ that earlier and BKT. It may be because brami and amla is already strengthening (even if it is moisture. I've used the indian powders before including brami and amla, and they felt more like a protein), and the keratin is already strengthening the hair. You may find more breakage (possibly) by doing this by getting a "protein overload" ish like situation.